User talk:Badagnani/Archive 15

Nationalists
I'm not a checkuser; Blnguyen is. Only he can find out whether the IPs have been used by another user.  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Shame on you.
You've been still following me and now falsely accusing me of being the banned user, at the Nihonjoe's talk page? You know I changed my name due to the misconception by Japanese POV pushers. And you're also using the same one to make yourself look better just like hoe (dish). You believe yourself is a good and constructive editor, but this only says a different story. Look at your contribution history today, you're shadowing my edits. Why are you chasing me? If you have some dignity, do not follow me any more.--Caspian blue (talk)


 * Sorry, maybe I'm wrong. I recalled User:Visviva or someone asking you about the fact that you were adding Korea-related photos from a Commons account that had that name, and you said, "Yes, that is my account." Badagnani (talk) 04:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, this is that comment in which you admit to maintaining such a Commons account. Badagnani (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * This is the Commons account. Badagnani (talk) 04:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And there's another one with a similar username here. Badagnani (talk) 04:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, you asked about following you. I don't do that, as you know, but I do edit Korean food and music related articles. I find that in about 80% of the cases you introduce grammatical errors into those articles when you add new content (although the content you add is usually excellent). So it's important that a native English speaker fix those, because this is an encyclopedia, and one in the English language, so we just can't have articles written in "broken English." Apparently you edit other Korea-related articles, on political topics, and I don't have much interest in those, and thus don't edit them. I hope this makes sense. Badagnani (talk) 04:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I visited to Visviva for the frame and you still are using it. I said to him Applebee at Commons and Korean Wikipedia are my accounts not Appleby. Is English your native language? I still hold my account at Korean Wikipedia since I like the name after Applebee's and with the name I could join in Wikipedia. I don't need to change my name there just unlike here. It is so true that you've has been following me per Yeongeunmun Gate, Liancourt Rocks, Seongdong-gu, and many others which are improbable except your wiki-stalking me. Those are off from your interests, and whenever our conflicts are increased, you always extend to shadow my every edits. So your defensive comment does not make any sense and you know I was very kind to you until I realized that Melon, Christopher, Jeremy and others' analysis on you are so correct and your original research degraded the quality of articles. I do not wish to work with you any more. If copy-editing is necessary, I would ask other editors, not you. So do not follow me any more.--Caspian blue (talk) 04:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I see; so you're saying that you so admired another editor named "Appleby," that you chose to make a Commons user account named "Applebee" (a slightly different spelling from "Appleby") in homage to him/her? Is that right? If so, I didn't know that, and it's good to know. Regarding not wishing to communicate with me anymore, over the past year or so you have said that about five or six times, each time returning to my Talk page within minutes or hours. If you do choose to continue to write new articles, or add new text to articles, it would be best if you post the text to the article's discussion page first, so that native English speakers may check the grammar before the text is added to the article. Otherwise, I'll continue to assist in this manner--to keep our encyclopedia properly encyclopedic. Badagnani (talk) 04:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you really a native English speaker? What homage? I did not know that you can not differentiate Applebee's and Appleby. I did not know that your eye or other condition is not so good, why don't you wake up from your imagination or take a rest from the day? Per your very "rational behaviors" at Commons (but nobody understood why you did this), I try to understand you at best. You also constantly use socks. So you're also managing IPsocks. Why would I get a confirmation from you when I creates articles? Your absurd hidden remarks and false accusations as "blanking" are nothing but annoying to editors in good standing such as Christopher and Jeremy. Please remind your behaviors and consequences at Korean cuisine. That must be a good lesson, huh? --Caspian blue (talk) 05:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I think if you liked that restaurant (Applebee's) you would have named yourself with the apostrophe S ('s) at the end. Badagnani (talk) 05:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You know what? In East Asia the apostrophe s is omitted a lot when such franchise is introduced to there. McDonald's is called "McDonald" in South Korea so is Wendy's. The s' is almost omitted and my choice of the name is none of your business. Aside from the above wasteful conversation with you, my point is you must stop your wikistalking me. You will find your amusement elsewhere, not from me.--Caspian blue (talk) 05:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I see, ko:WP gives 맥도날드 (Maekdonardeu). That's very interesting; thank you for that information. Badagnani (talk) 05:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you believe I use sockpuppets, you should report me immediately, as the use of sockpuppets (or meatpuppets, for that matter) are not permitted at Wikipedia. I'm quite interested to know who you believe these sockpuppets to be. Badagnani (talk) 05:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm so amazed to see your illogical "evidences" from the above as accusing me of being the banned user. I said the simple thing. Using ips is considered "socks" even if someone forgets to log in or the contribution are not bad. I did not say that you're an abusive sockpuppeter but you "manage ipsocks" anyhow. That is not anything but saying the truth unlike you. Although I hate people using socks, I would not bother myself to report RFCU unless abusive socks are bugging me like Azukimonaka, and Saintjust. When I report RFCU (which results are almost always positive), I already figured out which IP he/she uses or what articles he/she edits. If you accuse somebody, you will be very diligent to grab correct "evidences". If you're become more disruptive, or uses socks abusively, well, you're very popular by many people including from not only native English speakers but also CJKV people, so why would I bother myself to spend my time on you at times? One thing clear is that you're still wikistaking me, and have a wonderful history with other editors, so good luck for your Wiki-life.--Caspian blue (talk) 05:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's so interesting that you have said again and again that you don't wish to interact with me, then you post again and again after that on my discussion page. I think if you're serious about it, you should follow through with your stated position. Badagnani (talk) 05:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Please read the RFC results
How can you look at the RFC comments and not believe that there is a consensus to remove that material? Please justify your belief that the consensus was to retain those sections. Kww (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Romanization of Korean
Hi, I think the information is lacking because the Romanization is largely rule-governed. (RR is basically phonemic, transcribing phonemes, while McC-R is basically phonetic, transcribing allophones.)

Korean phonology has some details. Note however that there are two scenarios governing consonant clusters: not before a vowel (in isolation or before a consonant) and before a vowel. --Kjoonlee 02:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I missed your comment on 독립문. Sorry about that.


 * 독 changes to 동 because of the following ㄹ.
 * 립 changes to 님 because of the preceding ㅇ and because of the following ㅁ.

I've yet to see the rules described on the web, but you can see some of the results at Korean/Advanced Pronunciation Rules. --Kjoonlee 02:45, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. If they belong anywhere in article space, it would be the Korean phonology article IMHO. --Kjoonlee 03:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Buk
Thanks for your considered response, Badagnani. This is the reverse of many discussions over article naming, where everyone agrees what the topic should be, and there is contention over the best name. In this case, there is no dispute over the use of the title Buk, and the question is what should be covered in the article. Personally, I find that there's a strong need for an article about Korean traditional drums in general, including an overview of the many different types, and also a need for articles about specific instruments. There's no requirement at all that each of these articles correspond well to a specific word in Korean, and in fact, naming issues are far, far less important than content. Therefore, I suggest changing the approach towards this article. Let's break it into two articles, one about about Korean drums in general, and one specifically about traditional Korean barrel drums. Let the article titles be provisional, because we can easily adjust them later. I believe this is the clear and correct solution to the important issue of article content. Then, we will be left with the lesser question of naming, which should be decided with primary consideration for what's meaningful and convenient for English-speaking readers. Therefore, I will split the current Buk (drum) into Korean drum and Korean barrel drum. I will not touch Buk (drum) but would not be opposed to temporarily making it a disambiguation page. Discussions of the titles of the two articles would be fine at any time. It's perfectly fine if neither or both of them wind up with the title Buk after discussion; it's perfectly easy to disambiguate article titles. --Amble (talk) 03:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Waterboarding
Please stop inserting text without having a supporting reliable source and please stop reverting text deleted as OR until you have a reliable source per wp:or. See Talk Raggz (talk) 05:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You said "please use "Discussion" to propose, and develop consensus for deletions from a contentious article." Please read wp:consensus. Content disputes require consensus but editors are required to delete clear policy wp:or violations. I read the citation. I posted the text in Talk before deleting. Did you read this discussion? Perhaps you didn't understand that wp:consensus does not apply? No problem, no worries, all editors, myself included have done these things without realizing. Please now stop violating these policies. Please revert your revert error. Raggz (talk) 06:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You wrote: The proposition that the suffocation with water of a bound, inclined prisoner, as practiced by agents of the United States of America, is "noble," "not so bad," "less bad," "kinder," "gentler," etc., than such suffocation as practiced by agents of the 190+ other nations in the world seems to be fairly speculative, as if the editor proposing that this purported "special" U.S. version be privileged by minimizing the possible damage this form of torture might cause *hopes* or *wishes* that Americans wouldn't do something so horrible. Such a speculation seems more appropriate for a blog or other personal website, or perhaps some form of patriotic website. If, however, a notable individual has stated their belief in such a "special" U.S. version, if it is properly sourced, we could consider adding such a quote to the article. We do have the statements of several individuals (all U.S. Republican Party politicians or media commentators) who have expressed a similar opinion. Badagnani (talk) 20:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The article states that US waterboarding is supervised by a physician. As best as I can tell from the above, you feel that medical monitoring does not change the risks involved? Is my summary fair? If not, what did you really mean?


 * I don't understand your "American" issues, except that you appear to be unable to work with Americans?


 * I have expressed no "opinions" in the sense that you mean, while I certainly have a pov, I'm here to work with you to edit this article. We all agree that US waterboarding is medically supervised. Are we debating the morality of Americans or the risks of medically supervised wterboarding? I will only debate the risks of medically supervised waterboarding. The other is off-topic. Raggz (talk) 09:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

"war crimes against civilians" section of 2003 invasion of Iraq
I moved it to Second_Battle_of_Fallujah#White_phosphorus_usage. This was clearly indicated in my initial edit summary.WDW Megaraptor (talk) 17:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The International Criminal Court investigated this topic and their February 2006 report is on the Prosecutors web site. The ICC found a small number of war crimes that have all been prosecuted. I'm not certain if white pete was specifically looked at. May we agree that this impartial fact-finding is sufficient since all allegations were investigated and dismissed? Raggz (talk) 08:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

what text
what text? what articles? Hmains (talk) 01:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I put in a request for Wiki assistance with this matter. Hmains (talk) 03:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic group articles
Hi. In light of the failure to reach consensus at Articles for deletion/Afghan British‎ I've suggested that there be a discussion of the various issues raised, here. Your input would be appreciated. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

How's This?
Instead of continuing the warring, would you agree to have the names that are improperly sourced (or completely unsourced) moved either to the talk page or commented out until (or if) the proper references can be found? If you want, you can do it yourself. Take a look at List of Austrian Americans or List of Brazilian Americans for an example of what the lists should be like. Clearly, not everyone who is born in the associated country has to be sourced, but the others do. If you agree, I will not move on to other lists without first contacting you. Bulldog123 (talk) 21:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

List of X-Americans
This is a formal and final warning. If I see you adding unsourced or poorly sourced material about living people again to the List of X-Americans articles, I will block you. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Badagnani please respond to Jayjg at his own talk page as well, otherwise he might miss the message. thanks! --Termer (talk) 04:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP
Re your edit on Mustapha Tettey Addy, please read the above-linked to policy before re-adding religion categories to biographies about living people. Specifically, they should only be included when (1) the subject publicly self-identifies with the belief in question AND (2) the subject's beliefs are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources. Thanks. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections - voting now open!
Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 01:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

No political ads please
RE -- enron loophole

I like Obama. But this is not the place for political advertising. It is also not the place to lie about Clinton. The primaries are over. And the Clinton hate needs to be canned. I tell the unvarnished truth in the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 and that article says that Clinton signed an Appropriations bill into law and that is the truth. Please do not reinstate the political campaign ad. If you have a live and credible source for the "Enron wrote the bill" claim then please use it. I will check back after a while and see what you have done with this.

Also the statement as it was written concerning how the law is implemented is simply wrong in the version I have replaced. Please do not revert this change.--The Trucker (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Vietnamese help
I'm currently in Vietnam until early October, so my net connection will be sporadic. I'll get back to your inquiries when I return from my trip. DHN (talk) 14:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7
Wikipedia 0.7 has selected  these articles from WikiProject Ethnic groups. I'm gonna ask for a few of them to be rmvd from the list, and then try to improve the rest. Wanna help? Later Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 03:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Math Rock
I notice you enjoy the discussion for the math rock page. You might also enjoy this article: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/feature.php?id=5305 -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.132.31 (talk • contribs)

I don't think the article was making a claim at explaining math rock's overall origins, but just that one scene's geographic influences. In the same way the math rock wiki pages has a St. Louis section a San Diego section, etc. the Northern California version would just be another pocket with its own distinct sound and origins, which is more the point of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.132.31 (talk) 20:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Lac Viet
Thanks for creating the Lac Viet page. It was long overdue.Sea888 (talk) 01:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

That's true. The hundred yue is also interwined with the myth of the fairy and sea dragon(100 egg part of the story). I'll just have to research a bit more. Thanks.Sea888 (talk) 04:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Korean and Japanese
Hey B- Thanks for the editing of my writing. It's pretty rusty, as Portuguese is my first language. My knowledge of Korean is terribly slim, and Japanese is nil. If you can help with Margaret Cho or Keisuke Kuwata, I think your specific talents would be specifically helpful in both cases! --leahtwosaints (talk) 03:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Accordion page
Hello Badagnani, I hope you are well. I just finished quite a bit of work on the accordion page, and I think it might be acceptable now. If you agree, perhaps you could remove the tag requesting more citations. Many thanks. Henrydoktorski (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Holiday (1990s band)
A tag has been placed on Holiday (1990s band), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to a nonexistent page.

If you can fix this redirect to point to an existing Wikipedia page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you also fix the redirect. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Jordan Timmins (talk) 17:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Stuart Saunders Smith
A tag has been placed on Stuart Saunders Smith requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Mo0 [ talk ] 03:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Holes that are cavernous
To me hole implies that the opening passes through the object, which is not how the pastry look. I use cavernous to indicate that the inside of the pastry has large pockets of air which makes it look "cave-like" in same ways. You can see similar cave-like pockets in some french breads, in those cases I not sure I'll call them "holes" though. Sjschen (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

POV editors are back or Lurita Doan Page
I noticed some time ago that you dropped by the Lurita Doan talk page and commented on POV concerns there. I (along with others) tried to make some NPOV edits to reflect what was reported and verifiable in the mainstream media. However, there is now an editor re-writing Doan's controversial history as GSA chief and the Hatch Act troubles that dogged her (as with many other Bush appointees). Many of the edits are essentially a revert of what was there last year when the article was parodied by the Washington Post.

I was hopeful that you might spend some time, in the near future, on a return-trip to the Doan article and have a look around. Thanks.--Happysomeone (talk) 19:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for stopping by. It appears a Wikipedian raising BLP concerns here is a "family friend" of the Doans by their own admission. While I certainly appreciate this person's candor, is this type of action appropriate? It reminds me of a similar situation where a BLP article was deleted for WP:OR, I believe, when it was discovered the author was the subject's husband. Thoughts? Please reply to my talk page. Thanks!--Happysomeone (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Oil
It looks that there is no clear answer to the 油 in soy sauce (much less oyster sauce). There's this: http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/37892548.html, which states that the word comes from having a oily gunk floating on to of the sauce. This one: http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/13583312.html tells about the various ancient types but little on why 油 is there. I can't find where I read the 油 is expressed liquids, and 酱 is blended mixes. Sjschen (talk) 18:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think in of just Cantonese origins. Judging by the many forms of 酱s and 油s (清酱、豆酱清、酱汁、酱料、豉油、豉汁、淋油、柚油、晒油、座油、伏油、秋油、母油、套油、双套油) the used/origin of 油 may be quite broad. The earliest recorded case of the term is in song dynasty by 林洪著 in the work "山家清供". Sjschen (talk) 20:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was going to. But right now busy writing grants and junk in real life so writing other (academic related) things in wiki will be slower. Feel free to throw the info into the article though. Sjschen (talk) 20:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Ahoy there. First of all, I want to mention that your improvements are everywhere. I see your name cluttering up the histories of so many pages, it's like you have a personal vendetta against poor formatting. You certainly are a blessing to the project. However, I notice a lot (most?) of your edits do not have edit summaries. While it's not required of course, it's always a good practice to use edit summaries as a courtesy to others (or so says me and Help:Edit summary, anyway). You probably already know this, so this is just a reminder. In any case, many thanks for your tireless work, Wikipedia is certainly better with you here. -kotra (talk) 22:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

hello
hello, I noticed you have been here awhile and also edit quite a few vietnam related articles so I thought you'd be a good source for info. if I'm annoying you please just ignore. I also want to help expand viet articles and pictures, but was just wondering about copyright rules and such. i've read through it but am still quite puzzled on some counts. basically, from what i've noticed, if I find a picture on flickr which is labelled as "some rights reserved" and when you follow that link you arrive at a "creative commons" page then you can upload that picture to wikipedia right? I just want to know so I dont violate any rules and have the picture removed. thank you!Dearlieusuck (talk) 19:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your response! So basically any of the options besides the 3 which state "non commercial" can be uploaded? That makes sense, it's just I'm only just now getting a grip on flickr..and also I guess that means that wikipedia is commercial? I thought it wasn't because it's free..anyway thanks again.Dearlieusuck (talk) 18:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Also one thing more: if it is clear that the picture on flickr is allowed to be uploaded to creative commons, do we necessarily have to comment to them to let them know we're using the picture first? or is it understood it can be used without even commenting?Dearlieusuck (talk) 21:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Your opinions
Hi there! There are some new troubles in the article of Chinese New Year now. If you don't mind so I hope you could give your opinions here. Thank you so much.Angelo De La Paz (talk) 02:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Xilamulun River -> Xar Moron River
Hi, I moved that page around a bit. If you think it's wrong, let's discuss on the article's talk page. Yaan (talk) 20:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Paltrow
WP:BLP applies to categories too. Jayjg (talk) 04:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:Egypt is up and running
EGYPT is up and running and we need lots of Collaboration. We are currently working on Cairo Metro as a Collaboration article and need as much help as possible. If u could come by and help out we would be greatly thankful. Please also collaborate online on #wikipedia-Egypt, where we can actively collaborate and discuss issues.

Perhaps reconsider
I encourage you to reconsider your statement in a current CfD. Starting a CfD is not "disruption", and I see no evidence that the nominator started the nomination to "prove a point" or anything of the like. To suggest that he be blocked is a bit extreme and probably violates WP:AGF unless you have some other proof of a dishonorable motive. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Tag abuse
Please note that, as well as persisting in unconstructive editing, you are now up against “the three revert rule”. If you continue to belligerently abuse the Merge tag then you will be blocked from editing. —SlamDiego&#8592;T 05:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Payne revisions
As you requested, I explained all of my recent edits...if you still have questions, please go back into the history and revert each edit you feel needs to be changed instead of throwing them all out at once -- from there, I'll be happy to discuss each one individually -- please try to follow my point, it's not the London Times story about the library (why do you think Waxman dropped it?) -- this is about our country's foreign policy under the control of hired guns -- I'm happy to work with you to make it better -- thanks!Polticaltexan (talk) 07:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I saw that you did another "mass revert" -- As you requested, I had already explained all of my recent edits (IN FACT YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO GO GET THAT EDUCATION INFO -- AND I DID AT A SMALL EXPENSE)...if you still have questions, please go back into the history and revert each edit you feel needs to be changed instead of throwing them all out at once -- from there, I'll be happy to discuss each one individually -- please try to follow my point, it's not the London Times story about the library (why do you think Waxman dropped it?) -- this is about our country's foreign policy under the control of hired guns -- I'm happy to work with you to make it better -- thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polticaltexan (talk • contribs) 06:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance on editing this article -- you and I have done 90% of the work on it...I understand your point that my edits reflect a possible WP:SPA, I'm new to Wikipedia and am fascinated by the implications of this story but I've been pretty clear that I think that this isn't just some bumbling "caught on tape" mtg. -- that this is a fairly big issue of our nation's foreign policy being conducted by hired guns -- I have tried to push this "underground foreign policy" with all of my edits -- and now feel that the article does that -- I think that the edits that I have made (and properly sourced) reflect a drift toward that (still neutral) pov that Payne isn't just some powerless fly by night looking for a library contribution, which was the original drift of the article -- I am interested in this article because of the vast implications that it could lead to, but I welcome anyone else to work with me to add to it as well -- this article shouldn't focus on an edited videotape asking for a library contribution -- it should focus on US foreign policy being conducted by "hired guns" with no or at least unknown authorization... which is a fascinating concept...

As you have properly pointed out. I have changed Payne's mother's name spelling to a different spelling and listed his highschool etc when those things are not in any "public" sources -- my point is that I have even paid a few dollars to find sources for this story as I may want to write an article on it at some point so I've done some independent research -- (and yes, you have pointed out that since this info can't be easily found on the web it must be removed -- I have no objection to that and have removed all "unsourced" info even when I found it in paid sources) (since I'm only considering writing something on this subject -- I'm not COI and I may never pursue it) I'm sorry that some feel that I have an WP:SPA, but I'm just interested in the concept. -- In my opinion, the article, as it stands right now, reflects both the viewpoint that Payne was caught on tape asking for library contributions AND that he has been doing alot of back room diplomacy as well...thank you for your assistance...Polticaltexan (talk) 06:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Phở
Perhaps you could make a larger edit to the article if you want to re-include the sentence about vegetarian variations. At the moment the article basically reads like "meat meat meat vegetarian meat meat meat" (ie. Phở is a meat and rice noodle dish; it has this kind of meat in it; ('btw there are some vegetarian kinds'); the broth? yeah: meat..). Thanks Quaeler (talk) 22:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Conduct in deletion discussion
I would appreciate it if you wouldn't suggest that I should be banned from editing Wikipedia for simply questioning whether the subject of an article is notable, as you did here. You might like to familiarise yourself with No personal attacks. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I notice that you've suggested that I be blocked again. Please assume good faith. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You've now suggested that another editor be blocked for proposing a deletion at Articles for deletion/Afghan Australian. Please take on board that proposing articles for deletion does not constitute behaviour that deserves blocking. Cordless Larry (talk) 03:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Unreferenced material
Hi. Regarding this edit, I've removed the unreferenced material again and outlined my reasons here. I find the argument that unreferenced statements should just be tagged as needing citations strange, particularly when they are likely to be false. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

We are in dire need of objectivity and common sense.
There is some controversy regarding the controversy regarding ITT Tech. I have a stated bias. (I guess maybe I should have kept that a secret.) At present the article is biased in the other direction. I would love it if you could take a look and leave a comment in the talk page.Veecort (talk) 03:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I answered your question on my talk page.Veecort (talk) 06:08, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:60 Minutes correspondents
Category:60 Minutes correspondents, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 12:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC) PS - The CFD has been open for 5 days already, so don't delay if you wish to participate.

Notability of Lü Ji (composer)
A tag has been placed on Lü Ji (composer) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Drilnoth (talk) 03:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

保衛馬德進而
... doesn't make any sense. I'm guessing that the source had a typo in it. -- ran (talk) 07:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Korean phonology
Hi, there's some talk over at Talk:Korean phonology about including charts or rules. I thought you might be interested. --Kjoonlee 07:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Your recent merge proposals
In the future, when you nominate an article for merging, make sure you have the right article names in the templates, as each of the common English name articles for sugar apple, custard apple, and cherimoya have templates that say they are to be merged with themselves. Tealwisp (talk) 19:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lang
I'm pretty sure that "lang" in "khoai lang" is meaningless by itself and is not related to the dictionary meaning of the word "lang". An example where this is the case is the word "lang thang", where neither "lang" nor "thang" mean anything. If you want to know all the possible meanings of the syllable "lang", you can look up all the Chinese characters that map to "lang" in Vietnamese: 羹郞狼莨桹琅稂筤蜋廊瑯榔螂鋃瀧浪閬 DHN (talk) 07:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've asked your question at vi.wiki and I'll let you know if someone answers. DHN (talk) 07:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

genetics
Looks like there can be studies found for all nations. Why is this singled out? Also one study doesn't mean that it has been accepted in the journals of academics as a whole but has it been accepted? As there are numerous sources to counter. Is it your intention to start a flame war? Surely someone can redo the Chinese page and add a genetics section with a source but is it accepted by all of academia? Pls consider these objections for the sake of wiki. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.166.12.90 (talk • contribs)

Kowtow
That information was uncited, and I have not seen such a distinction. I'll restore it, but where did you get that information from? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 22:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Both terms are used, and one is more formal than the other, and the two characters are slightly different. I am just a bit wary of the posited link, because in actual usage the only distinction between the two terms seems to me to be only the degree of formality. Etymology does not necessarily reflect a difference in meaning. I'll look around to see if there's another source on this, and get back to you. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 03:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * One of my dictionaries gives the meanings of ke as 磕碰，敲击 "to knock against, to beat"; e.g. "knocking a smoking pipe"; and secondarily "the sound of drums".
 * Kou, on the other hand, is primarily 敲，打 "to knock, to hit"; e.g. "knocking a door; knocking a bell", and secondarily "koutou, the gesture of lowering one's head to the ground, or kou for short".
 * I don't really see the distinction that the material in question is trying to make. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 07:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Your recent amendment to Peter Schmalfuss
In one of those "great minds work alike--and so do ours" coincidences, according to its history you and I simultaneously expanded the Peter Schmalfuss article with information about his recording of music by Akin Euba yesterday. I added it to the text; you added it by starting a "discography" section. That's a good idea, and as something of a Schmalfuss collector I'll try to flesh it out with some of his other recordings, but I don't have that one and can't add any label/catalogue number data. Would you mind doing the honors in that regard, since (I assume!) you're familiar with it? Not only would that improve the article, but I'd love to see the info in hopes it might help me chase down the recording myself! Drhoehl (talk) 00:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

如意
It can mean several things. Can you give me the context? -- ran (talk) 05:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

The literal meaning is "according to [one's] wishes". By extension it can refer to an auspicious decorative object made from bone or jade, with a cloud-shaped or lingzhi-shaped head and a slightly curved handle. -- ran (talk) 06:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks good to me =). I'm not aware of other definitions for this term. -- ran (talk) 16:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Why wouldn't it depict other things? That's because the literal meaning is "according to one's wishes" -- people use it everywhere! They write it at temples, altars, etc -- ran (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes -- as an adjective -- ran (talk) 19:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, it could be that too. The dividing line in Chinese isn't too clear due to the smooth continuum between Classical and Modern Chinese -- ran (talk) 20:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Dog meat
Hello

I see you reverted my edit to Dog meat, in which I removed a dead link. Perhaps, when the site was in question was active it was a useful addition to the article, but, as archived, it has very little content - about a 10 short comments, all from 2005-2006, coupled with massive amounts of spam in the replies. The FAQ has but 4 questions, mostly justifying the site itself and again, adding nothing useful to the discussion. I can see no reason to keep it in the article, but I would be willing to hear your comments before editing it again. Sea photo Talk 07:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Pinyin
OK, I gave up to correct Pinyin anymore from now on. This is English speaker's domain and I should highly respect English speaker's concerns. -Percyboy (talk) 22:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't mean all of those modification must be adopted but I believe some of these (for example the last two) should be adopted. But unfortunately ALL of these are rolled back. -Percyboy (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Cashew
"Hạt điều" and "hạt đào lộn hột" seem to be both used for this plant. BTW, I didn't know that Vietnam is the largest producer of cashew in the world until my recent trip to Vietnam, when I was offered by a family acquaintance who is the director of a large cashew exporting company some cashew to bring back. DHN (talk) 08:31, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Ruanxian
I'm sorry, but I'm no expert in the Chinese language as found in Tang poetry. -- ran (talk) 02:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

If you want though, here is the full poem in Trad.:

掩抑復淒清，非琴不是箏. 還彈樂府曲，別占阮家名. 古調何人識，初聞滿座驚. 落盤珠歷歷，搖珮玉琤琤，似勸杯中物，如含林下情. 時移音律改，豈是昔日聲.

-- ran (talk) 02:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The title is:

和令狐撲射小欽聽阮咸

-- ran (talk) 03:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

鴨母撻仔
I think you should ask a Hokkien speaker for this one because it doesn't make too much sense to pronounce this string in Mandarin -- ran (talk) 20:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Drum
It's diangu or huaigu. -- ran (talk) 20:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

No, all of the Google hits you're getting are wrong. -- ran (talk) 20:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

点鼓 = diangu

怀鼓 = huaigu

So they transcribed one but not the other. -- ran (talk) 20:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, you should not be using Wiktionary as a Chinese dictionary. I would certainly not use Wiktionary as a dictionary. Here are some online dictionaries that you should be using instead:

From Mainland China: Online Xinhua Dictionary

From Taiwan: Guoyu Dictionary

-- ran (talk) 20:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

If you need Chinese-English dictionaries, here are a few:

Mainland:

Taiwan:

Hong Kong:

-- ran (talk) 20:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Zhao Tuo
I'm not sure if you can quite say that he was "Han" Chinese before the concept of "Han Chinese" even came into existence. It's better that we stick to the accepted facts: i.e. he was from Zhending, in Northern China.

Also, I truly don't think we need "Zhending" in Vietnamese. -- ran (talk) 21:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. Also do not accuse editors of POV pushing when there is obviously others pushing theirs without sources. When good sources are added to articles there shouldn't be a real problem and we should work together as we did to create the Lac Viet page.Sea888 (talk) 22:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If we agree that he was Chinese, but not Han Chinese, then you ought to remove the term "Vietnam" from the Nanyue article, as it's similarly anachronistic. Badagnani (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The Vietnamese glosses help with multilingual searching (specifically in considering Vietnamese or Vietnamese-English bilingual sources. For the same reason, we give Chinese glosses for Vietnamese names (there was a lot of overlap in ancient times; see, for example, the names of the nine commanderies at First Chinese domination (History of Vietnam), some of which were in southern China while others were in northern or central Vietnam. There was no online source setting these out bilingually before, so our article is quite a valuable resource now. Badagnani (talk) 03:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Gidday
Your oppose vote to the cuisine article renaming drama at WP:RM was removed by the nominator (along with mine) see diff -. I thought you ought to know. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 20:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Naming conventions
I would like to point out the policy under which these articles are being moved has a caveats section which this falls under. That is the basis of every cuisine article's name. Most of the arguments being made ignore that section. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 21:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove
Please remove all of the posted comments you took from Jeremy, this among other items you posted in a comment about Jeremy posting a request for comment on my personal talk page constitutes trolling, wikistalking and refactoring another editors comments to suite your needs, all violations of etiquette on Wikipedia.--Chef Tanner (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comment; I've responded there. Badagnani (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Once again Chef Tanner, I'm quite happy for Badagnani to cross post my polite request to Jerem43. He is posting to the relevant articles and I believe Jerem43's actions to have been highly inappropriate for some time - this issue needs wider input and discussion. But it should not turn into a witchhunt against Badagnani. Paxse (talk) 20:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Montmorency cherry
Thanks for adding the informative article on this subject. Good job. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm a food enthusiast. We had a sour cherry tree in the backyard where I grew up. I ate a lot of them and one year pitted a whole bunch for cherry pie. Later I discovered that every cherry had some kind of larva in it. My affinity for home-grown cherries was diminished, although I still wonder how an egg laying creature managed to leave only one egg in each cherry. A good source of protein? I'm more of a raspberry fan. But I like cherries too, and the article you made is sweet. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your tweaks to the articles I'm muddling my way along on. I can't figure out what the candy rods are called. I always called them licorice sticks. The only link I could find was to candy canes. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I added it to the candy stick article. It wasn't even mentioned there. A photo would be great. They're very cool looking. I think it deserves an article, but there doesn't seem to be much on the web. Why can't all the information I want to see be at my fingertips? I suppose I may have to make the arduous journey to an actual library. I still think they're licorice sticks, but I see people use that phrase licorice sticks for twizzlers and such, so I find the whole thing a bit baffling. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast. Are a lot of Flickr photos open licensed? I don't mean to be picky, but I like the loose sticks that aren't wrapped in plastic. And the swirls on the old fashioned ones are a little bit cooler looking than on those. :) Is there somewhere I can look to see what other photos are available? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Very cool. Thanks. The photo actually looks very good. I made it bigger :) I spent a while sifting through Flikr before I got your message. Indeed few are open licensed, although some of the same photos showed up on multiple user pages... I did see a couple very cool ones, but I don't know if I'm up to e-mailing photographers. I think I'll have to bust out my own photos of these things. Thanks again for all your help. I really like that article. It makes me smile. Those crazy sticks in all their crazy flavors. Those things last forever! ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you ever let the people who have free licenses know we're using their photos? That's nice that they share. This photo is kind of cool (not great lighting) but it's not completely free license. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Candy stick
Hi Badagnani, Since images do not belong on disambiguation pages and the reference to "candy stick" in the article on Micrurus fulvius is not useful, I felt it necessary to revert those edits. If you want to create an article called "candy stick", be my guest: just move the current Candy stick article to "Candy stick (disambiguation)" and add your image and some more content. However, it seems to me that such an article would end up looking a lot like Candy cane, so it might be a better idea to employ some other strategy. For example, you could simply create a new section in the "Candy cane" article called "Candy stick." It's just a suggestion. (PS -- Please answer here, as I've temporarily added your talk page to my watchlist). Cheers, --Jwinius (talk) 00:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I think stick candy is too broad a term. When looking up that terminology I see a lot of candy stick mentions. It looks like stick candy can be a lot of other things too. Thanks for all your great answers and information. I really appreciate it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I added my own old song to the article. Will you have a look? I'm not sure I can keep up with you and I don't want to edit over top of you. Also, I thought 5 inches was way too short, and indeed the "tall" ones are 10 inches. That's the kind I always see sold, but I guess they sell half sizes now as people have gone weak. Probably less chance of breakage too. But the 10 inchers are way cooler! Who can hold a little 5 inch stick and feel cool? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Australians in Britain
Hi. Your input would be appreciated here on the proposed move of Australians in Britain to Australians in the United Kingdom. Thanks. Cordless Larry (talk) 00:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Discussion of photos
Did you have to contact him because it was some rights reserved? What did you think of the photo I linked? Do you take any photos yourself? Sorry about all the questions. I think it's awesome that you take the time to let them know their photos are being used. Very cool. Thanks again for your good work on Candy stick. I have to get some good sources for it...ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This is the one I posted above and here are two more here  and here


 * How many of the photos on that list did you take? I want to upload some of my own photos. Do you think I should use my name or ChildofMidnight?ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I posted some links to some photos for articles on my userpage. Many of them have mostly free licensing. I also modified the Pistachio salad article based on your research, which I stumbled on looking at Flikr photos. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What is this and this ? Are they any good? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and I still want this photo: for the candy stick/stick candy article. Which name do you think is better?ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Fruits
I'm a big fan of lychee and longan (I just had a few). And I discovered cherimoyas. At Trader Joes they have dried rambutan which is tasty too. And I'm also a big fan of 100% coconut water drinks with the pulp. Most of the canned ones have loads of sugar which is lame because it's so sweet anyway, but I notice the good kind is cathing on quite a bit now. Exotic foods are fun to try. It looks like you've traveled quite a bit. Kudos. Take care. Thanks for all your help. I'll talk to you soon. I need to get off the computer for a change!ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey old friend. You snuck up on me. Thanks for helping out on the kishka. I better go leave a note for Gila and Zlerman so they don't panic when they see a different version. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I found it interesting that the British stick candy is so different in design and tradition from the U.S. version. All the sticks I've had are quite long, and I know I saw two places where they sell 10 inch sticks. FIve inches seems quite short, but maybe I'm remembering through a kids eyes and they seemed bigger than they are? Also thanks for putting up the kishka photo. I hope all's well. See you around.ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:42, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your helpful editing on a certain food related article. Having seen the damage last night, you've helped start my new day off with a smile. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Croatian British
Hi. You've voted keep for a second time at Articles for deletion/Croatian British, which you are not supposed to do, and in the process you've expressed a view that I should be blocked from editing for prosing a deletion yet again. Please stop doing this. I have every right to propose articles for deletion without being threatened. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I apologize; I thought this was a new proposal. It is my understanding that such proposals last for only five days. It has been eight (?) days now. Block proposal removed, but it does not obviate the fact that the constant proposals to eliminate articles rather than improve them is draining on our project. Badagnani (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been longer than five days because of a lack of contributions, hence the relisting. You'll notice that I have contributed siginificantly to the improvement of Cypriot British, but I still think Macedonians in Britain in particular is not notable. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You would have a lot more luck making your case if you could find sources to establish notability. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Cantonese→Yue Chinese move discussion reopened
Hello,

I've reopened the discussion about moving Cantonese to Yue Chinese in order to see if a consensus can be reached (as we failed to do so the last time creating lengthy argument). As you showed some interest in the original discussion, I thought you may want to participate this time around. You can see my proposal and comment here. Thank you!

Cheers, The Fiddly Leprechaun  ·  Catch Me!  21:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Goan theater
I stumbled onto an area of music and performance arts that seems to be rather neglected. I saw from your user page that you have an interest in music, so I thought I'd mention it to you. Fugdi, is listed a a traditional performance art form in the Goa article's theater and dance section. I created an article on Tiatr, but it is thin and poorly sourced. The Goa article also mentions Jagar as a second performance art from the region, and lists several "famous" dramatists (all of whom are redlinks). Not sure if they are notable. If this is outside your interest, no worries. But in case it's something you'd enjoy working on I thought I'd mention it. Thanks again for all your help and collaboration working on various articles. I'm still trying to determine definitively the standard size of barber pole candy. Five inches seems short, but 10 inches is kind of long. I think the "traditional" ones are 10 inches, but maybe I'm wrong. And then there's the meaning of a couple "Who Stole the Kishka" song lyrics... Take care.ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I like some of the film-pop music and dance. Here's a taste of Tiatr highlights(?) . ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's funny to me that Tiatr (which I guess is the Portuguese word for theater) was described as traditional. It looks fairly "modern" to me, karoake meets broadway... :) I have to find a store that sells those candy sticks so I can see for myself if these five inchers are legitimate or a modification of the original. They always seemed longer to me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there any way to get sent a message when an article you're watching is edited (like the one you get for new messages on your talk page)? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * These ones are 7 inches and 3/8 inch thick which seems more accurate to me than 1/2 inch thick. I still think the five inchers are some wimpy resize of the traditional sticks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

阮咸圖
It says "Picture of a Ruanxian". -- ran (talk) 05:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Salty: T 鹹 S 咸

Other senses: T=S 咸

-- ran (talk) 05:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Lyrical limits
How many poem verses are enough? The first two verses of this one from 1907 are quite nice.

I can't find anything actually describing lobster candy, the redlink that was added with user:Suntag's 1837 link. This article notes they sometimes contained lead. Have a great weekend.ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I want to know what this mythical lobster candy looked like...
 * Does the cold weather have you buying horehound lozenges? I looked into the stick candy/ candy cane connection a bit. It's actually kind of interesting because according to the (poorly sourced) candy cane article, the stripes didn't appear until the 19th century (it actually says early 1900s). So it seems possible that stick candy was adapted into a candy cane as part of the holiday festivities. Of course it's also a useful shape for tree decoration, and the trees seem to have spread in popularity around that time period also. Of course there is also the shepherd association to explain the shape. All OR I suppose. But it's interesting to me that the candy cane may in fact be a derivative of a candy stick, adapted and adopted for seasonality and holiday appropriateness.ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * They look tasty. I'm still snacking on Longans. I thought it was neat that at the DYK discussion one poster said her grandparent sold the barber pole candies. If candy canes are a derivative of the American made candy sticks, then certainly we have the last laugh on the Brits holiding up the DYK. I think of it as a Christmas present that they decorate their trees and associate the holiday with our candies. Another fine example of cultural imperialism? I'm in So. Cal., so it's not too bad... Did you study aborad and do you still make regular sojourns to Asia? How do you know so much about the area? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:49, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't been to OC much outside of Long Beach, California. I would like to see the areas upi mentioned though. I like exotic food. They have a lot of Peruvian restaurants here. As well as all kinds of other restaurants too of course, but I had never had much Peruvian. What is Cambodian food like? I'm a big Pho fan and I like those baguette sandwiches at the Vietnamese places. There's a lot of good food here and fruit too. It's pretty nice. You can travel the world, so to speak, without going too far. I'm off to bed. Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked into Christmas sticks a bit, but there's not much there. Peppermint and lemon were popular flavors. There's my speculation about candy canes starting out as stick candy. But I don't see much else. I checked out a video of those springs. Very cool. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Flageolet
Hi Badagnani ! In response to your HTML comment "This appears to be a reed instrument, which is not described in this article", no, the flageolet isn't a reed instrument but a fipple instrument. The difference is that reeds vibrate and set up a vibration down the air column while fipples present a sharp static edge which breaks up the laminar air flow with much the same result. Good question, but could I suggest you use the "discussion" page rather than inserting HTML comments in the article where they are likely to go unnoticed? That's really what the discussion pages are for. With no disrespect to you or the question itself, I'll remove it from the article page. Cheers -- Timberframe (talk) 21:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you; I know quite well the difference between a fipple instrument and a double reed instrument. Your comment doesn't address my comment, which you removed, at all. Badagnani (talk) 22:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

What you're taking to be a double reed is, I guess, the white section at the top. I think this is a moulded mouthpiece manufactured separately from the rest of the body. I guess again that the mouthpiece presents a flattened profile which could not be achieved by the lathe on which the body was formed. You can see the fipple hole about half way down, just below the rotund barrel section. Can we use the discussion page to allow flageolet experts (which I'm not) to comment before making further changes to the article? Best regards -- Timberframe (talk) 22:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

A couple questions
Is there a policy that says Wikipedia articles can't be used as references? How do you know when an article is added to a project? I'm watching a project page, but it doesn't seem to tell me when article talk talk pages are updated with the project. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the helpful answers. Much appreciated. I've had the purple corn drink too, but I can't think of what it's called. Souplantation has a good soup and salad bar. What's your favorite type of food? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Tater hotdish, American cuisine at its finest! Pass the hamburger helper... :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding stick candy, I find the lyric "he sells it fast [like] a hog'll chew his corn," a bit strange. But I did notice the "just nine inches long" part. Which of course supports my theory that 5 inches is some kind of perverse distortion of the true stick candy size. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Also, I found a few 30 second clips of Kesarbai Kerkar, but nothing on youtube. Is there anywhere to listen and/ or watch her perform on the net? I would like to have tabla drumming as a soundtrack to my life.

快
kuai4 -- ran (talk) 03:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Jiangnan sizhu resource
Hi, here's a resource for older and hard to find Jiangnan sizhu recordings: http://huqinblog.blogspot.com/search/label/Jiangnan%20sizhu, if you're not already aware of it. LDHan (talk) 21:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Stick candy

 * Congratulations. You did an excellent job on this article and too many others to count! ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A lot of excitement today. People all over Wikipedia seem to be in a foul mood today. I suggest letting bygones be bygones as far as the discussion over the photos goes. The argument isn't going anywhere and there's nothing to be gained by having the last word. I understand how frustrating it is to have someone do a drive by photo removal, but it's not worth getting in an endless argument over. An unrelated thought I had, I was wondering if you've ever applied to be an Admin? I see you're ranked highly in the contributor records department, but I get the impression you try to avoid the politics for the most part. True? Also, you didn't comment on the 1909 source saying candy sticks were 9 inches :) or on my tabla comment about getting my life soundtracked to tabla. I love that beat that sounds like a water drop. Do they sometimes play them with a wooden stick like a backscratcher? I seem to remember seeing that. Anyway, I hope you don't get caught up in any of the craziness going on today. I hate to see you brought into the muck and away from working on the awesome articles you write. My Longans are all gone, but I'm going to try to get more this weekend. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Here's an article you may (or may not) be interested in Cantaro and this one Huiringa. Do you watch the categories to know when new articles are added? Which subjects do you follow? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:32, 17 December 2008 (UTC) If you watch a category page won't any new articles show up as changes to the page? I don't really understand the project groupings if when new articles are added to a project there isn't an automatic notice. Where are the programmers? Caspian and Crossmr were really duking it out. I was going to add a note that you tried to diminish the size of traditional candy sticks, which I am sure would have outraged those watching the ANI board, but I refrained from piling on. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's all well and good, but who's going to unblock me? I want cabal membership! I stumbled on those articles doing new page patrol. I was shocked to discover how many articles come in that never even get looked at. Kind of scary. Meanwhile there are the silly feuds and AfD attempts and reattempts which I better not get into too much because I will stir up trouble. I thought this band sounded interesting Bongshang. What do you do with Yuzu? It looks like dried out tangerine. That's what you crave? Strange indeed. I used to like kumquats a lot. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The nine inch reference is from your lyric or poem about how stick candy is like pigs eating corn... ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I want to see the rest of the lyrics for that poem/ song. You've piqued my curiosity... And what's with the Yuzu? What are you brewing up over there? Do you like Jackfruit/ DurianChildofMidnight (talk) 00:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Nouvelle cuisine
The move is a housekeeping one, Nouvelle cuisine is not a formal name so the first letter of the second word should not be capitalized. As it is a capitalization error I am just trying to move it to the proper name, which is stated in the first line the article. Perhaps you could just take a look at the WP:CAPS policy on this one? This is one of those cases in the policy. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 06:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * In this case the request os a proper way to move it. Once the move has been made the improperly named article will have the redirect. Since I cannot temporarily remove the old page name (Needs to be done by an Admin), I have to makke a request to do so with the move tag. Thank you. for the move. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 06:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Media Research Center blog
According to ABC World News, following the incident, al Zaidi's cameraman stated that just before throwing his shoes, al Zaidi handed him a note reading, "It's glorious to die a martyr."[24][25]
 * I'm inclined to remove this as it 1) sounds like a FOAF type report where somebody that somebody else knew transcribed a news report, and 2) it's coming from Media Research Center blog, which is not exactly a reliable source. Please find an official transcript or corroborating source. Viriditas (talk) 07:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm watching it right now, and that doesn't change the status of MRC. Separate issue. Viriditas (talk) 08:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, let me be more direct. Do you think the MRC blog is a RS? Viriditas (talk) 08:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thing is, I've seen ABC News make so many outrageous claims over the years, that another one wouldn't surprise me. It would be nice to hear the cameraman say to the camera, yes, this is the note Zaidi gave me.  That would clinch it for me. Viriditas (talk) 08:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you prefer fragmented discussions. It's much easier to keep the original discussion in one place so that we can respond to each other.  Responding on different talk pages is pretty confusing.  I started the discussion here, so if you want, you are welcome to respond here.  Red flags for me:  A political blog posting a transcript to a single, uncorroborated news story.  What other sources are reporting on a note handed to an unnamed cameraman?  Why is ABC news the only media outlet reporting on it, and why did they spend less than a few seconds on it?  Is there a reason all we are shown is a dark-skinned hand holding a very neat note?  Real notes are generally crumpled or tattered in some way.  These are questions I always ask myself before adding any source to an article: 1) What are the corroborating sources?  2) What are the names of the people making the claims?  3) What is the nature of the evidence?  I don't think you can say that everything X news outlet reports is 100% verifiable truth, and doing so is quite dangerous. Viriditas (talk) 09:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed the Newsbusters site and left it on the talk page. I'm still curious why the cameraman hasn't been named, why the note appeared to be "perfect" in appearance, and why no other news organization has covered this story.  Would you at least try looking for corroborating sources?  Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 09:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I also want to say something else here. I have seen news agencies try to discredit the people they are reporting on many times, often introducing "evidence" that could smear the person in question. In fact, I've seen it so many times, I have come to expect it. This is part of the reason I am so skeptical. Viriditas (talk) 09:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I just finished explaining why it is suspect. Did you read what I wrote above?  Why has this so-called evidence not been reported by any other news agency?  Or has it?  Why has the cameraman's name not been released?  Why was he not shown on camera?  I completely agree that we are not investigators, but when only one news agency reports on an important piece of public evidence that no other news agency mentions, one has to ask why?  This is why corroboration is so important.  Who else has reported on the note? Viriditas (talk) 09:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for at least considering my POV. Let's set this aside for now, and return to it later.  Hopefully, this will resolve itself. Viriditas (talk) 09:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

One thing that bothers me: If Zaidi is found dead in his cell from an apparent "suicide", then the so-called evidence you have added to the article, evidence that nobody else has reported on except ABC, justifies his death. Viriditas (talk) 09:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am growing more concerned. No other news source has reported on this note.  Not one. Viriditas (talk) 10:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * From Reliable sources and undue weight: "Corroboration—Do the conclusions match with other sources in the field which have been derived independently. If two or more independent originators agree, in a reliable manner, then the conclusions become more reliable. Care must be taken to establish that corroboration is indeed independent, to avoid an invalid conclusion based on uncredited origination. Undisputed corroboration among high-reliability sources can help establish something as a fact rather than an opinion." Viriditas (talk) 10:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

ANI notice regarding Crossmr and me
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-Caspian blue 04:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Strongly scented fruit
I want to see a list of the top five. How can it be more strongly scented than durian? I find this difficult to believe. I may have to report you... for exaggeration. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to comment on your "strongest scented citrus fruit" assertion except to say that such a carefully designed designation strikes me as an act of diabolical low bar setting equivalent to "best pop band (article needs a photo of headband wearing spandex clad rocker) of the 1980s" or "best season of MTV's The Real World". I do have good news though. The Seven-layer salad red link has been turned blue!  Would you do me the honor of adding one or two of these photos? This one is all-rights reserved but is maybe the best . And here  and here  are two more. Maybe there's another one you'd rather use? Also, I wonder if there's a vegan version of the salad? Tofu instead of eggs and fakcon instead of bacon? What about the dressing? I actually don't eat anything with mayonaise, but I think Mid-western "salads" are awesome, and I'm in awe of their grandeur and eagerly looking forward to working on Snickers salad soon... ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism at Nguyen Hue
The recent edit you made to Nguyen Hue constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Sea888 (talk) 03:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism at Lac Viet
The recent edit you made to Lac Viet constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thank you. Sea888 (talk) 03:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize the Lac Viet page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Sea888 (talk) 04:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Please use that article's "Discussion" page. As mentioned there, we aim to be 100% encyclopedic, not 95% or 99%. Badagnani (talk) 04:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Please explain why modern encylopeadias do not use it then? Your edits are 20% encylopeadic not 100% as compared to modern encyclopeadiasSea888 (talk) 04:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

NPOV at Nguyen Hue
Hello, your recent edits, especially at Nguyen Hue and many other History of Vietnam pages rely too much on Chinese sources. Wikipeadia does not advocate one view but a NPOV from reliable sources as one source can be biased in its writings as we've seen throughout history especially evident with archaelogical records. The recent edits you made are anachrostic and does not fit the criteria of a modern encyclopeadia.Sea888 (talk) 03:50, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize the Nguyen Hue page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Sea888 (talk) 04:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your help fixing up Suanmeitang. I just threw the page together on a whim, using the entry on zh wiki as a starting point, so a lot of things still need tweaked...the zh article didn't have much to go by. Thanks again, &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 06:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Re-adding spam links
I see that you, without any sort of edit comment explaining why, readded an online store at tulumba.com as external links to more than one article despite the links being deemed inappropriate by multiple editors. Online stores are never appropriate links per our WP:EL policy. Please do not add it back in. If you do, it will be removed again, by myself or someone else. DreamGuy (talk) 21:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you kidding?
 I did not blank the page, only removed a external link which is not a image. It was not WP:POINT, and I sufficiently explained it in the edit summary. I also posted on the AN a image that I found when googled, asking for verification, and for it to be uploaded to wikipedia with a fair use rationale if so as a image. WP:AGF. &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  05:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Big flute photo
Right, so what is it then? My knowledge of these flutes is limited to altos, basses and a contrabass. -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 09:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1 Translated information from site of player - 'one meter high and the length of the tube is three meters'. I think my confusion comes from the way the instrument is 'folded' at the base. -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 09:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

And yes the Maria Ramey photo would be very useful, I think photos are essential on rare instruments like these! -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 09:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll go looking for pictures and ask for permission. I'm wondering if the 'odd flute' articles would benefit from a single page detailing them all, lots of them seem to not really deserve their own pages and the information would be easier to read, IMO. Thoughts? -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 09:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Thats very true. I still think a kind of 'summary page' in addition to the others would be useful though. -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 09:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Members of the western concert flute family <-- I would appreciate comments/additions/etc. -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 10:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Yay, I got permission for photos of the Treble flute! -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 12:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I just sent the Just Flutes shop an email, they replied in minutes. I'm going to transfer your new images to the Wikimedia Commons so they can be used easily by other language wikipedias. -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 18:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think instants a good description of it though (assuming you mean ). -- Flutefluteflute Talk Contributions 18:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

You desperately need to forward emails about permission to OTRS per Requesting_copyright_permission otherwise lots of precious images could be deleted. -- Fluteflute Talk Contributions 12:24, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

December 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Please assume good faith and stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you of WP:POINT, please read WP:NOT and WP:EL, please also know that others may disagree with you on an article you've created or contributed to, and that you agree to release all contributions under GPL, which means others can edit it mercilessly, see WP:OWN. &eta;oian   &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  17:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, welcome! I hope you like the place and decide to stay... I need help. I got some Banh Trang Me (with accent marks over the vowels) and I don't know how to eat it. Do I have to cook it or what? It's called "spring roll skin sesame" in English, but no instructions are given and it's like eating raw spaghetti (they are big sound sheets of tapioca starch, rice flour, and black sesame seeds). Do I steam it maybe? Also, I read some of the photo articles, but I'm not ready to deal with getting permissions and doing Flikr photos yet. Smallsteps, small steps. I might try to upload some of my own soon. Thanks for your encouragement and offer to help. As you're a music man, you can check out Regina Folk Festival recently saved from AfD, and I posted some photos on the talk page that could be used if you're interested... :) Be good. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and I was at my ethnic food store, but I forgot to ask about Yuzu. I'm stocked up on Longans though. They have frozen durian too and some very cool vegetable matter that I'd like to know how to use. The girl I share my aprtment with objected to my getting the Durian. Can you believe it? And we had South Indian buffet for lunch, excellent paratha and pappadum (not too peppery). I've been eating some kind of round cucumber like vegetable with lots of seeds in it. But I can't especially recommend it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's basically the same as what's in those pictures except mine has black sesame seeds in it. Are you going to ask your music teacher what I'm supposed to do with them? I did search online but a lot of the sites weren't in English and the ones that were didn't cover how to make the thing. If you want to offer a neutral opinion on changes to the waffle and gratin articles, I'd be interested in your thoughts. If asking you is canvassing or whatever then no worries. Although I'm pretty sure you'd be just as happy to disagree with me as to agree. :) Can I ask Caspian what he/she thinks? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Very hard! It looked tasty in the package (pictured with open coconuts and ferns....) come to think of it it looks different in the picture like maybe after it's steamed or whatever, but right out of the package it's hard like dry pasta. He'll know if you show him that picture. Mine has the same imprint like a truck tire ran over it. :) Remember to sign your posts. Hahahaha. Funny. Are you slipping? Getting old? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No condiments. It came from the Nam Phong Food factory in Ho Chi Minh City if that helps. I guess the running dog capitalists are taking over these days? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I just saw this edit in my wathc list . :) The link at the bottom of that page doesn't work. The other one is pretty good though. What are the tetrahedrons of sticky rice in banana leaf called on Wikipedia? Is there one article or a bunch? I see that there is a Vietnamese version, but I always thought of them as Indonesian. I guess people from the Philippines and Malaysia and who knows where else maybe eat them too. Yummo, I'm having one now! :) I like how they tie them all together and cut them off to sell them to you. Just like the provolone at my Italian Deli. There was some other cool stuff I'll have to try next time. These giant puff balls. Maybe I'll take a bunch of pics. Are you any good at name that food?
 * Oh and you forgot the backwards accent mark over the "me" in Banh Trang Me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Where did you find that? I looked at the rice paper article and I didn't see any recipe or cooking information just a large section on mulberry paper or something like that. I'm going to check it again more carefully. You're always showing me up! ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I still don't see it. But there's a small photo in this link . And when are you going to find some lobster candy? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ooops, I thought you said it says in the rice paper article. Nope. Nothing there. We're not allowed to include recipes ;)  It would be good to add a bit on how to make it so no one else has the serious problem I had! Where did you find the cooking instructions? I don't know and Vietnamese people, but researching this issue I saw some great foods! I'm ready to go to Vietnam. Yumm! Maybe someone on here is Vietnamese, but I can't tell where people are from, or even their gender and age. Isn't there a gender neutral word in esperanto? Maybe we should adopt it instead of using what my English teacher told me is bad grammar (a long time ago so maybe the rules changed?) in using their instead of he or she as singular pronouns. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed there are some good Pho places around here, but none nearby. My neighborhood has crappy food except for one pizza place and a diner. And there are a lot of Vietnamese working at the nail salons, how did you know that? They have great sandwiches too, but again none of those places are nearby. I found a GREAT Persian place over the weekend (also not nearby). I had some kind of berry sauce over nice jasmin rice. Fantastic! There's another good place not too far, but this one is even better. I'm kind of into those yoghurt drinks too, but I guess you can't eat yoghurt? Have you ever had icre cream with coconut milk and agave sweetener? My vegan friend made it and it's great! His buddy would go to the farms and collect all the big overripe persimmons (not fuyu) and he gave us a couple. Wow they are awesome! Melt in your mouth soft and so sweet. Sunkissed. I guess you don't eat seafood, but now I'm thinking about Viet Nam and its coastline. All that food and I see they have a vibrant street cart food culture. It's like the place was made especialyl for me! I'm ready to go, and I'm getting hungry just thinking about it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and sorry for the misspelling. Gulp. I didn't want to make it too easy for you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, right it was zereshk (sp?) and I wasn't sure on Jasmine, but I knew it was one of those special rices :) I think Jasmine rice is much finer. I can't keep track of the names, but you're right that it was basmati rice. That's cool that you know all this stuff. Barberry sauce. I couldn't remember the fruit name either. It's great. So tasty. You're good, but we'll see how you do on my name that food quiz I'm going to prepare next time I'm at my store... ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for mediation on Korean cuisine
Please follow this link Requests for mediation/Korean cuisine to participate in mediation on the issues with the Korean cuisine article.--Chef Tanner (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD discussions
Hi. When participating in AfD discussions such as Articles for deletion/Israeli British and Articles for deletion/Dominican British (Dominica), you need to give reasons why the article in question should be kept or deleted. Please see How to discuss an AfD. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you've suggested that I be blocked yet again, I've posted about this at ANI. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Badagnani, you seem to have caught the nom's attention with your AfD comments regarding this type of nom. Do you think you could express your opposition to the AfD nominations of ethnic groups in a different way? Or maybe we can discuss the best approach to merge the ones that may not be notable with Larry? Would you prefer it if he notified you of the ones he doesn't think are notable before putting them to AfD and gave you a chance to merge the ones you agree on (and helped if he's willing)? I understand you don't think deletion is a useful outcome, but maybe you can suggest how Larry can deal with the articles that he (and other editors) don't think are notable in this subject area. I think there must be a more collegial and collaborative approach than your recent method. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's much better to work with our encyclopedia in a building/improvement mode rather than a damage-control mode. The nominating editor is disrupting our project in a severe way, especially as he formerly attempted to delete dozens of ethnic group articles without first participating in discussions, improving the articles, or the other normal things we do at our encyclopedia. Yes, he was able to get a few deleted, thanks to the "delete page regulars" who usually vote to delete nearly anything or everything. There is an anti-ethnic group bias among some of these editors and they have been highly destructive in the past. This is quite clear in the fact that they resort to mass deletion rather than discussion, improvement, or merging. That editor states that I am being disruptive, but it's simply a damage control mode, doing one's best to keep damage to our project and its data in check. Badagnani (talk) 02:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you please do me a favor and just vote strong keep and give your reasoning. The extra sauce your adding isn't helping. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * As I said, that's enabling editors to create a constant sense of "damage control mode." Nothing stops them from nominating articles for deletion over and over again (which they often do). Mind you, if an article on some non-notable subject should be deleted, I will vote "delete." However, there is a real fixation on the part of many of these "delete page regulars" to delete (not discuss, improve, or merge) ethnic group articles, again, and again, and again (leaving the data about these groups lost forever), seemingly to the exclusion of any other purpose at WP. Badagnani (talk) 04:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you're right about one thing, nothing stops them from nominating articles for deletion over and over again. If you think they are doing something that violates policy take it to ANI, AN or Arb. Com, but I suspect it's not worth it.  It's a dispute over how best to build the encyclopedia and yes, some people think a big part of building is getting rid of stuff. I tried to offer a compromise position and a third way that might offer an opportunity to at least remain collegial if not exactly cooperative. Regardless, making over the top comments at the particular AfDs isn't going to help anything. If you could strike or remove them I think it would be a very good thing. I understand your frustration. You're welcome to communicate your opinion, but that is not the way. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just one point from me having read the above. I'm not nominating ethnic group articles as such, I'm nominating intersections of ethnic groups and host countries. As you will have seen with my work at Cypriot British, I have no problem with these articles if they establish the notability of the group. How exactly does Dominican British (Dominica) establish notability? Cordless Larry (talk) 10:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I should also mention that I tried to get a discussion going here on the way forward for these articles, but it didn't get very far. Editors who defend the existence of the articles will often promise to work on improving them if they are kept, but never follow up on this if they are. It always seems to be a case of jam tomorrow. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Larry, I would just comment that Badagnani is a big time contributor, and he's enormously helpful in writing, editing, referencing, getting photos, and just about everything else when it comes to encyclopedia building. On bad days it can seem like there is barely enough time to contribute when you're trying to fight deletion proposals and content removals. Hopefully he'll agree to drop the saucy AfD comments, because losing his efforts would be a major hit. If you ever have the opportunity to collaborate with him on writing and editing you'll appreciate his contributions. I would ask that you cut him some slack as I've asked him to drop the over the top AfD comments. I feel bad about cluttering up his talk page with this discussion, so I'm mostly going to drop it as I probably shouldn't have involved myself to begin with. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm in agreement that Badagnani is a good contributor, which makes it all the more frustrating. We have a disagreement over whether certain ethnic group/country intersections are notable, that's all. I just wish it could be dealt with in a more constructive way. We'll see. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Holiday plans
Any plans? I'm headed to Todai (restaurant) for some all-you can eat Asian buffet with my grandmother tomorrow night. :) They have some pretty good salads and desserts as well as a gluttons helping of other stuff. It's a break from my usual holiday tradition of eating at Norms Diner.  Such is life on the West Coast when most of one's family lives on the east coast. But I'm enjoying watching the snow elsewhere. Been there done that. Sunny days are coming, hopefully soon. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's all yours, sorry. But I think the largest coal slurry spill in U.S. history is notable for the intro. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

That's fine but other things were changed that didn't make sense too, including the removal of bold. Badagnani (talk) 23:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and I checked out Anjela Johnson last night. Funny stuff. I'm ready for some hot pho. Is there a veggie pho? Must be I guess. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

talk page guidelines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines Sennen goroshi (talk) 19:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Did you even bother reading the above link before you reverted me again? Wikipedia has basic guidelines, they are written in plain English - I suggest you read them before you revert. Sennen goroshi (talk) 20:01, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I notice by your edit history that you are still editing - care to respond? Sennen goroshi (talk) 20:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Earthen levees
Ah. Well, most of the sources, including the TVA site, say "retaining wall"; these go through routine inspection, and I'm hard-pressed to believe the government would allow them to store more than a billion gallons of wet ash behind a wall made of earth. Then again, maybe they do; I'm Canadian, I don't know. Anyway, I should get going. Night! Merry Christmas! Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D  06:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's better. At least there's some sourcing for it now. There's no need for a source in the article's lead, by the way; it can be established in the body. The intro is usually citation free, as it is a condensed form of the article. Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :D  07:29, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries. Anyway, before I get going (for real this time 'cuz I have got to get into the car), think we should rename it? I was thinking of 2008 Kingston Fossil Plant spill. Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :D  07:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Waris Ahluwalia
I reverted your edit because Ahluwalia is not an ethnic group but merely a clan. Category:Punjabi people is the proper category in this regard.Pectoretalk 19:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

1545 massacre of scholars
Dear Badagnani,

this seems an interesting period and I can't find details on wikipedia. But I don't know this stuff well enough to be sure of things or where to look on wikipedia or what would be an appropriate article.

From here http://eng.korean.net/wcms/list.jsp?bID=4175&pageID=04025272&byid=7 I found this stuff below.

The governing class of the Joseon was the SADAEBU (in particular, the Hungu classes who helped SEJO to the throne).

There were also rival influential groups located in regional areas that spent most of their time reading and learning. In literary taste, they preferred Kyeonhak (Chinese classics) to Sajang (composition) and believed in the Sugichiin school of thought. Naturally, they made much of a moral culture. They assumed a negative stance against the evil of the Hungu class. As their power increased with good scholars such as Kim Kweng Pil, Jeong Yeo Chang, and Kim Il Son who followed the doctrine of Kil Jae, and their students, they began actively engaging in the press and literature world, especially in the 3 Offices.

These classes, the Hunku and the SARIM, clashed with each other on political matters. Their strife continued and finally resulted into a series of "massacres of scholars".

The natures of the 4 massacres that ensured - the Muo (the 4th year of YEONSANGUN, 1498), Kapja (the 10th year of YEONSANGUN, 1504), Kimyeo (the 14th year of JUNGJONG, 1519), and Eulsa (1st year of MYEONGJONG, 1545) - were somewhat different from each other. The main cause, however, is the conflict between the 2 classes after the SARIM class emerged as a political power to reckon with. Though the SARIM class suffered great blows from the massacres, they were able to maintain their positions in the government through Hyangyak and even expand their power with the building of Seoweons (memorial halls).



Anyway best wishes(Msrasnw (talk) 00:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC))

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i commented to help find consensus towards a title. i hope i've helped in that regard! somebody move it already. =) -Shootbamboo (talk) 03:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Please don't bite the newbies
I noticed the wholesale reverts you did on Pinyin of a new users well-intended edits. Please remember: do not bite the newcomers. Next time you encounter a situation like this, please leave at least the parts that undisputedly are improvements. Thank you. &mdash; Sebastian 02:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of biting...
Have you ever heard of a dish from Hokkaido called Genghis Khan? I stumbled on this Youtube video,, and it seems fascinating. Oh well, totally random. Happy New Year! I look forward to editing with you in '09 and I'll let you know when my food quiz is ready! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I see there is an article on it Jingisukan. Great. I'm going to link it to the Genghis Khan diambiguation. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The article says something about the skillet being like a helmet, but it looks like the head gear worn in Mongolia. Am I off? Is there a name for that type of hat? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * At the risk of opening up another whole nationalistic can of worms... I've often eaten this in Korea and in Korean restaurants here in the U.S.-- The Koreans call it Genghis Khan as well. I believe they use beef when making it (at least my (Korean) wife does). After the meat is eaten, water, rice, kim etc. are added to make a kind of gruel... Probably just another one of those countless things the two countries share simply because they are so close in so many ways, but, instead of uniting them, divide them through interminable "We did it first!" "No, WE did!" arguments... :-( Dekkappai (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Dekka, if you listen to the song, you will note that "everybody love-u Genghis Khan" :) Indeed, Mongolian grill or barbecue in the United States refers to thin slices of meat and various veggies "grilled" together. So it's not too far of a stretch from the slightly more sophisticated Asian versions of this dish. And there are more than a few Mongolian grills called Genghis Khan.  I have to give credit to the Hokkaido version for giving the dish an especially fun splash by bringing it into legendary pop-culture status as only the creators of Hello Kitty can. I've listened to that song 20 times now, and I can't get enough. One of the characters looks very much like a Hitler charicature, which is a little weird, but I guess it's a familiar sylization of a gentleman in Japanese culture? I can't figure out all the lyrics, but it's pretty magical. I like the fight scene and then the blonde guy with the black-and-blue eye eats Jingisukan with the other character. As best I can tell the dish is being sent with astronauts into space and is even loved by a UMA (unidentified marine animal). :) "Every body Genghis Khan, shape, shake your, body" :) Anybody know what "yai to da kai" means? And I'm still wondering about the hat, but maybe I'm getting off into wild OR speculation... ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not able to watch/hear the video here, so I'm at a loss about all the above. Will try to see it later :) Dekkappai (talk) 20:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Once I figured out I had to click on the watch in highest quality tab, the Pistachio salad video was awesome. Can you believe they call that a salad? How on earth did you find that? Do I want to know? Now I'm waiting for you to come up with video evidence for Glorified rice. Sadly, the Genghis khan (food) video has not been well recieved. It seems encyclopedic to me, it's all about the food and celebrating where it's from. Oh well. Happy New Year!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Suanmei
Suanmei and Umeboshi are rather similar things, but you think it's worth adding a suanmei article? Sjschen (talk) 07:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I know it was about the talk page, though I'm also wondering about the plausibility of a separate suanmei ariticle. I also just created a Chinese desserts article that could use your help, if you are interested. Sjschen (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The address is in Beijing at fuxing menwai da street (fuxing outside gate great street, 复兴门外大街), Number 2. 中国广播民族乐团 is founded in 1953 and 中国电影乐团民族乐团 is founded in 1949. Sjschen (talk) 02:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Church of God and Saints of Christ
Hello Badagnani:

In this article, you cited me on 12/29/08 22:38 [] for "wiping" information. The information on this article regarding another "branch" of the church is 100% false. The organization you claim to be another "branch" is a separate congregation, with a separate incorporated name, that splintered from Church of God and Saints of Christ almost 100 years ago in 1909. Aside from that, it's obvious that they are not another "branch," from the sentence that was constructed. According to the sentence, they believe more in Christianity and Church of God and Saints of Christ is a Hebrew Israelite congregation (Judaism), and has been a part of the Hebrew Israelites article for years. That is the reason why I removed the line -- it's inaccurate as written. It still needs to be fixed.

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I moved the movie poster that was there so you could use the Commons image. Apologies for the delay :S -- lucasbfr  ho ho ho 12:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Nick Ut
I have officially requested the move you suggested over a year ago to Nick Ut. Hope you can reiterate your support for it on the talk page now. Gene Nygaard (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Reply requested
I'm just wondering why you oppose the merge of Korean cuisine and Korean vegetarian cuisine. I'm interested to read your reply. --tc2011 (talk) 09:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

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Douglas Spotted Eagle
I do not think that WP:Point is an appropriate label of my removal of a source which used a mask to give an external source which has been blacklisted on Wikipedia. As such I am reverting your edit. Stealthound (talk) 22:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Please take a look at this discussion. This is not just about trying to prove a point. The source is both blacklisted and not a verifiable source. I do not want an edit war, but this source "Fails Wikipedia's core content policies". Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive133

Please take a look before you 3RR.Stealthound (talk) 23:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I would love to have a discussion with you on the merits of the source, which was http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:zO3LZb6um6sJ:www.associatedcontent.com/article/907333/native_american_musician_douglas_spotted.htm. It uses google's cache to circumvent the blacklist filter placed by Wikipedia. It additionally fails Verifiability and Reliable Sources. This is discussed in the link above. Please, by all means, make your case that I am wrong.Stealthound (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Link question
What do you think about this ? At the end of the video there appears to be a list of creators and website, but some of it is in Japanese and I can't read it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Vegan
You have reverted 3 times at Korean cuisine in a 24 hours, which combine your two reverts on vegan and one revert on foodstuffs. I don't think the delinking of the vegan is worthy of continuous reverting. Anyway, it is a courtesy note.--Caspian blue 00:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Exciting times! How is your year going?  I'm looking forward to collaborating with you on a good article.  Are you interested at all in the food origin article(s)?  Something else? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

You've been mentioned at the 3RR noticeboard
Hello Badagnani. I hope you are aware of the policies around our Spam Blacklist. Please remove the Google Cache link that you added at Douglas Spotted Eagle. This way you can avoid a block. Comment further at WP:AN3 if you wish. EdJohnston (talk) 02:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Why are sources hard to come by for this subject? What about this list  and this list ? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at the other links (I made them into refs now) in the article? They seem to be sources discussing non-native Americans using the status improperly. Is there a broader dispute going on or is it just about the use of that source? Also, he seems to have published a lot of books and to be mentioned in various articles, but there aren't really on refs for the article. It seems strange. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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Dances with the moon
He has some mp3 songs for download and some albums. I'm not sure how they are formatted so I leave it to the expert. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to do me a favor, you can get this for me or a better photo for Bush ballads. Let me know what you think... ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If only we could get you to write that politely on talk pages! Thanks for your input on the article, for your ideas on the photos, and for the sample letter. I've been following my watchlist, but I think i want to focus more on content additions. I was trying to hurry it up and submit Bush ballads to DYK before it was too late, but I guess I'm too late now. I was sort of waiting to see if people would weigh in. I used to get slapped with all kinds of notability and every other tag known to mankind when I created an article, and now... nothing :) Take care. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You didn't think it was funny? :) Oh well. Must be time for bed. Thanks again for your help. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Your fascinating translation requests
Thank you, that was a very interesting piece of research.


 * Ok, This photo is a mixture of three different types of media. The top one is a common sign probably posted by the Tuol Sleng museum. The cross over the mouth gives the meaning quite clearly. The text says simply "Please be quiet". The larger poster below is from the ECCC and is part of their public awareness campaign about the Khmer Rouge Tribunal. After spending time carefully translating line by line :P - I had a brainwave and found the English and Khmer versions on the Tribunal website here. If you have pop-ups blocked you will have to go here and click on the poster at top left for a larger version. The poster also has two copies of the same square sticker here stuck on it. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 10:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Much more interesting - wait one. OK, this photo  looks to be much older and done carefully by someone with serious time on their hands. I recognized the coat of arms easily as the Coat of Arms of Democratic Kampuchea. It is very well done considering it was scratched into a wall. What's interesting is the text in the scroll as part of the coat of arms - which just says "Kampuchea". The much larger graffiti under the coat of arms simply says "Democracy." Now the interesting bit is that the official DK coat of arms - see link above - uses both of these two words in Khmer to make the construction "Kampuchea Procheatipedey" or Democratic Kampuchea. Separating the two words could be interpreted to give things a bit of a twist - Kampuchea and Democracy are separated? - or it could just be that the artist ran out of room for the longer word democracy inside the scroll. Over the top of this in white chalk, is scrawled the single word "hahm" which means "forbidden". This is probably not very significant. It could be part of a longer phrase - "graffiti is forbidden" or even "no pissing on this wall." It's impossible to tell without a photograph of the rest of the wall. Also Tuol Sleng is about 1,000 metres (as the crow flies) from where I am currently sitting. If you need more info or another photo, I can try to help. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 10:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)