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now it's not all cramped up. its going to be a while before i'll need to archive my talk page. glad you found out how to do it. -Xornok 07:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Shaojiu
I've always thought 烧酒 is called 烧酒 because the wine is traditionally heated in a water bath til slightly under the boiling point of alcohol before being consumed. As well, in minnan "烧" is the word used two say hot(temp.), whereas in mandarin the terms that are used are "烫"(tang4) or "热" (re4). It's to my understanding that this dialect thing and wine heating tradition is where the term 烧酒 arises. I'm not sure about the burning/scorching process. Do have a link for it? Sjschen 19:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Good point, what do you suggest to disambig? Sjschen 19:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

碧綠酒, bi4 lu(um)4 jiu3: 瀘州老窖大麯酒, lu2 zhou1 lao3 zao4 da4 qu2 jiu3: 御蓮白酒, ya4 lian2 bai2 jiu3: Sjschen 06:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for the compliment about my talk page code. I had a lot of help from User:Master of Puppets and User:Misza13. You have quite a list of articles you've created. Rock on! :) --F a ng Aili 說嗎? 02:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Burmese ethnic groups
I'm not sure where an accurate list of all ethnic groups in Myanmar is, but the government list can be found here. However, the list is politically influenced. For example, the "Shan Nationality" groups together all of the various ethnic groups in Shan State, which are not ethnically nor linguistically related. Other ethnic groups, such as Indians, Rohingya, Chinese, and Malays are not included. A CIA map of ethnolinguistic groups in Myanmar exists, but it is outdated (1972), and contains the following groups:

A. Sino-Tibetan
 * I. Tibeto-Burman
 * 1. Burman (Bamar)
 * 2. Chin
 * 3. Kachin
 * 4. Lisu
 * 5. Lahu
 * 6. Akha
 * 7. Naga
 * II. Chinese (Kokang)
 * III. Karen (Kayin)

B. Tai
 * 1. Shan
 * 2. Hkamti
 * 3. Thai

C. Austroasiatic
 * 1. Mon
 * 2. Wa
 * 3. Palaung

Sorry, I do not remember the source name. Hintha 04:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Jellies
Hi Badagnani,

Thanks for all your hard work on Korean drinks and foodstuffs.

Re your question, muk in the sense of "jelly" is a pure Korean word, without hanja. Thus, the hangul for acorn jelly (dotorimuk/tot'orimuk) would just be "도토리묵". For mung bean jelly (nokdumuk/noktumuk), we would put "녹두묵" for the hangul and "綠豆묵" for the hanja. Hope that helps! Interestingly Naenara and Dprkorea.com come up near the top of a Google search for 녹두묵. -- Visviva 08:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Memilmuk (buckwheat jelly) is 메밀묵 (no hanja, "memilmuk" in both RR and MR).
 * It is interesting that cheongpomuk is not attested in any dictionary I have handy, but seems from a cursory Googling to be nearly 100 times more common in online discourse. Odd, that... not sure what the reason might be.  Cheongpomuk (and hwangpomuk) seem like probable borrowings from Chinese; possibly these names have come into favor as the bean market has become increasingly import-dominated?  Can't tell you anything more about hwangpomuk.
 * Hope that helps, -- Visviva 06:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I was rather pleased with myself when I found that info. All along I'd been assuming cheong was 靑, referring to the color of the bean; of course, that led me nowhere.  Turns out all I had to do was type "청포" into Naver to get the answer.
 * Memilmuk is indeed brown; in fact, before we knew better my wife and I called it "brown tofu." :-)  Best, -- Visviva 09:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Sintir

 * I have edited the Sintir article, it was confusing due to a little bit of carelessness by my part. I have understood that the origin is Sub-Saharan, although I know it is played in Morocco... If is not, tell me, please. If you could find some sources or a photograph, it would be very helpful... --Francisco Valverde 15:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Sanxian
Thanks so much for fixing my edit on the sanxian. I didn't realise how misleading my statement actually was ^_^;

I really admire all your work in the area of oriental music. ^_^; I'm still a student, but I'm hoping to contribute as much as possible to this area (esp. Japanese music)

Your help is much appreciated,

Dæmon 19:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

薏米水
薏米 is more the unshelled grain of the JT plant. Other ways to say the same thing include 薏仁 or 薏苡仁 or 薏米仁. The combinations appear to be endless. Sjschen 22:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

K-wine
Will check it out. Can you help me out with copyediting with lotus seed? Sjschen 23:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

To my understanding yes, I could not find anything with a similar name in wikip. There was also a demand for it. Sjschen 23:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Know anything about the process of Kwine making?Sjschen 00:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Eicher or Field
I remember reading about how the archaic word for acre comes from the german "eicher" in Peter Kaminsky's book "Pig Perfect : Encounters with Remarkable Swine and Some Great Ways to Cook Them" ISBN 1401300367. Maybe I remembered something wrong, or its the wrong book, but I am pretty sure that's what he said. Will double check. Book is highly suggested to all food/pig fans. Sjschen 04:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Gotcha on acre. Still the book is not just about eating pigs it's about human-pig co-development, a bit of enviromentalism, paleoecology and other stuff, origin of pork related food taboo, so on. Worth reading even if vegan IMHO (but I guess I don't really know since I'm a strict omnivore) Sjschen 04:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Double Bass
Please do not delete the hard work I just did on the Double Bass page. The article is already over the allotted size and the information deleted wa irrelevant to the article. The article runs much smoother with those deletions. You also deleted my citation needed tags. Please do not revert this page again. Kntrabssi 20:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I have revised the Double Bass article to reflect the nickname comprimise reached on the discussion page. However, and this is the third time I have said it, in your reversions you have deleted all of the requests for citations I have made, as well as brought back references to individual players.  There was a consensus reached about this on the discussion page, and you're reversions are going against that "team effort" you talked about on my talk page.  My edits to the technique section were because Wikipedia is not a players guide to playing double bass.  There should be mention that you can sit or stand while playing the instrument, however, specific things such as the first finger in first position being at your eye level are not relevant save for a method book.  If you do object to any of these edits, please leave your opinion on my talk page or the discussion page in the future.  Thanks for all of you work!  Kntrabssi 21:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

As a follow up, in the future, reprimanding someone for what you call "Unwarranted Deletions" goes 100% against Wikipedia's Be Bold policy. Kntrabssi 21:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

African American
Why did you delete the merger tag on African American?1028 02:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Lonnie Pitchford discography link
You might not have noticed, but I am the one who built that discography and therefore have a certain knowledge what the URL towards that discography should read ;-) Let me therefore explain, that 'pitchfrm.htm' is only a 'dummy' file containing nothing else than causing (by a little javascript) that the actual file with Pitchford content (pitchfor.htm) opens, *plus* causing that the navigation frame (on top of the page) opens additionally. So any visitor who has unabled javascript will see nothing; if this visitor clicks 'pitchfor.htm' he won't actually see the navigation frame, but at least the content he chose: the Pitchford discography. That's why I changed pitchfrm.htm' to 'pitchfor.htm' !!! Any arguing against this ?!? If not, I'll change that URL the next time I visit ... (please excuse my 'english' - that's not my mother tongue - and the fact that I just recently started wikipeding ;-) StefanWirz 06:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Water Lily Acoustics
As Water Lily Acoustics is a record label isn't it better to use "record-label-stub" instead of "music-stub"? warpozio 08:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Uranium
Hi! Due to the long and endless history of the uranium trioxide gas on all of the related uranium pages some editors are a little bit harsh with you. Try to help them with good references and avoid to look like a dejavu for them. I think also the health concerns are important, but after the POV pushing of Nrcprm2026 for his petition against depleted uranium, the whole issue heated up untill the block. So try to understand them, please. If help is needed I will try to help! --Stone 06:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If you are interested in the reaction of uranium metal and air, then I suggest that you look at the uranium dioxide page. I have just added a link to a US DOE apper on the reaction of oxygen/water with uranium/plutonium metal. I think that if you want to have any hope of understanding the reaction of U metal with oxygen then you will need to read the primary chemical literature. I tryed to discuss with James the mechanism of the oxidation of uranium metal, James only seemed to want to consider simple burning at high tempertures with oxygen. But hydrogen and water do alter the oxidation of uranium metal. Also should be read. I am sure that to understand DU and the oxidation process then the most important thing to do is to read about the oxidation of U metal fuel (used for MAGNOX).Cadmium


 * I have added a few more sources to the above paragraph on uranium oxidation. Please could you tell me what background you come from, as it will help us to move forwards more quickly. I am a chemist.


 * The wikipedia chemists (and allied professionals) have recently had a lot of trouble with James. I think that James came to the uranium pages with a firm idea of what the 'truth' was, and then he tried to find evidence (and at times he seemed to twist the literature to suit his POV) to support his POV rather than reading the evidence and then forming a sensible POV. DV8 2XL can be a little blunt at times.Cadmium


 * I have to agree that uranium oxides are not good for you, I have never taken the view that they are the best thing since sliced bread. The thing that got James into trouble in my mind was his edits (when seemed to go on for ever) about long lasting UO3 gas. The thing about James is that he rubbed a few of the most strongly pro nuclear (nuclear industry right or wrong, can do no wrong) editors up the wrong way with his POV edits, also he had a go at many of the less strongly pro nuclear editors (people like me) which made both camps come together to form a common front to keep the uranium articles as NPOV as possible. I think with James gone that things will calm down and move back towards some reasonable state.Cadmium


 * James was too fixated with uranium he dug himself into a hole, he did have some interesting points. But he did seem to want to write about no enviromental radiochemistry other than DU. I tryed to suggest to him that he should consider writing about radon, plutonium, thorium and other alpha emitters in the enviroment but James just got mad at the idea of writing about any element other than uranium. I have noticed that many people who are strongly anti-nuclear never take the time to learn about the subject in detail, as a result the people who know about the subject tend to more pro-nuclear than average (look at an average antinuclear web site and you will not see much evidence that the author understands the subject in detail, what you are more likely to see is the shock images such as two headed fish and tales of human woe etc). I think that a good page (or set of pages) could be written about these elements in the enviroment. You might want to read


 * Uranium + water reaction. Part 1.—Kinetics, products and mechanism M. McD. Baker, L. N. Less, S. Orman, Trans. Faraday Soc., 1966, 2513-2524 DOI: 10.1039/TF9666202513


 * Uranium + water reaction. Part 2.—Effect of oxygen and other gases, M. McD. Baker, L. N. Less and S. Orman, Transactions of the Faraday Society, 1966, 62, 2525 - 2530 DOI: 10.1039/TF9666202525.


 * You might also want to read which has a section on Pu metal fragments in the enviroment. Cadmium


 * You made an interesting point, about James. He was considered to be trying to use wikipedia as a soapbox for his views. This did bring him into a dispute with people who wanted to only have matter which is NPOV and hard facts about U into the pages. Would you be insterested as a technically minded non specialist (not my phrase but a phrase used by the UN) in adding pages on the enviromental aspects of the alpha emitters such as Rn, Ra, Th, Pu which I mentioned above. If you want to have a go I can help you out with sources of information.Cadmium


 * You might be interested to know that the majority of the pro-nuclear editors are not employed (or given money) by the nuclear industry. I am not employed by the nuclear industry and DV8 2XL is not (he has however worked with DU metal in the past). I do not know if you know about Benjamin Gatti and his interactions with Simesa. Please do note James has not used such bad taste methods such as the award which Benjamin used.Cadmium

The DU article is too big, the health information about DU also applies to other forms of uranium. Such as natural and enriched. Also the same matter is present now in the actinides in the environment. I respectfully suggest that if you want to make a contribution to the health related matters associsted with DU that you should go to the actinides in the environment page. This page is turning into a resource on the subject of alpha emitters in the enviroment, DU is one such source. I will be reverting the reduction in the size of that section of the DU page, please contact me via my talk page if you have any comments.Cadmium

Simeon ten Holt
''Question: in Dutch names beginning with "ten" or "van," should the name be alphabetized by the "ten" or "van" or by the actual last name? For example, should "Jakob van Domselaer" be alphabetized under "D" or "V"? For Beethoven, who wasn't Dutch, we alphabetize under "B," but I'm not sure for other composers. If you look in the category "Dutch composers" under Simeon ten Holt, you'll see that it's alphabetized under "T," but I think this may be incorrect. Or maybe there are different schemes of alphabetizing in the USA/English speaking regions and in the Netherlands. Thanks, Badagnani 14:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)''

Jakob van Domselaer should be alphabetized under the "D", it's the same as with Beethoven. I think that's because "ten", "de" or "van" aren't the most significant parts of a last name. If you only write the last name of a person then you have to capitalize both words, e.g. "Ten Holt" or "De Waal". This is the Dutch schema and I think in Belgium it's again a bit different, as they tend to write last names continuously, e.g. "Dewaal" and "Tenholt". So if a person is Belgian than this will probably the correct way to write his/her last name. The categorisation of Ten Holt is indeed incorrect, it should be alphabetized under the "H". Hope that helps! mensch 15:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Belgium is indeed different: "ten Holt" is the last name, so we would categorise this under the "T". Again we use capitals for every part of the name, except if the person is a noble then we use a small "d". (eg. "Stefaan De Clerck" would be categorised under "D". If it would have been "Sybille de Selys Longchamps", then we are talking about someone with noble roots, but still categorised under ""D".) warpozio 12:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Methyl carbamate
Why do you think that this compound is a carcinogen ? If tested negative in the Ames test and while some sources think it is (or could be carcinogenic) others consider it to not be carcinogenic. Bear in mind that the law of California is different on carcinogens to the rest of the USA. Also we need to avoid an overuse of the term carcinogenic, if ethanol is consumed to excess by a human then the chance of getting some cancers goes up but the carcinogenic effect of ethanol is so weak that ethanol is considered as non-carcinogenic. I think that the term carcinogenic should be set aside and kept for the real nasties like hydrazine, HMPA, benzene, cis-platin and berylium where a clear link between the compound and cancer is known.

Also you said that the compound is used as a pesticide, are you sure becuase a large class of related compounds with related names are used but I have never heard of this compound being used in this way.Cadmium


 * I tried to make that distinction clear by stating that it is "known to the state of California to cause cancer" per Proposition 65. Also, some N-methyl carbamates are indeed used as insecticides (our article on carbamates states that and could do with expansion), yet this particular compound is quite unlike carbamate insecticides and IMO those don't merit inclusion in the article. Methyl carbamate doesn't inhibit acetylcholinesterase like carbamate insecticides do.
 * In my edit I don't see any information swept under the rug, and I'd appreciate if sweeping reverts are at least discussed somewhere. Dr Zak 19:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, Scorecard and friends are tendentious websites and in my mind don't count as reliable sources. Even if you do cite "official" regulatory data those are best quoted from a government website. Dr Zak 19:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Actinides in the environment
I would be perfectly happy if you were come and join in with making 'Actinides in the environment' a super-good article. What I am trying to write is a NPOV review of actinides in the environment. To my mind in the environment means that it has been released into the world rather than being kept inside an industrial process. So U in air, water, soil and animals can be included.Cadmium


 * I have made the DU page smaller by moving the UF6 material to the UF6 page. I have never been attempting to delete material, all I have done is to move things.Cadmium

Olive branch
Look we both know that nether one of us would cut is as a Zen or Trappist monk, but we really don't need to keep butting heads. I ask you to carefully read the old versions of the two sections in question and diligently compare them with what I replaced them with and follow the references. I think you will find that they weren't really saying what you think they were.

I am not pro DU. In fact as a pro-nuke the very last thing I want to see is uranium of any sort being blown about in the environment; that doesnt help my cause in the least, does it? I don't think it's an exciting new material and I don't want to see it used in non-controlled industries. I would rather the damned stuff not be produced in the first place, which is why I back heavy water reactors that use unenriched natural uranium oxide a material which also doesn't breakdown to soluble salts like the metal does. they also burn the fuel to the point no one even thinks of reprocessing it.

What I wrote in those two sections points out two very important parts of this fight: there is no good data because the only ones that could mount a study of that size are governments, and they are not; and legally the only way to get the use of this material declared a war crime is to prove that it does do long term damage, because international law puts an emphasis on short term effects.

Based on your contributions you are nether stupid or a single issue wikipedian. Please take a serious look at what I have done and try to draw a logical conclusion. --DV8 2XL 19:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK we do it the hard way - your choice --DV8 2XL 00:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

You know it's too bad your too lazy to do what I asked and compare the texts, because if you had you would see that nothing in ether section was "properly sourced text." The 'editorial' is quoted from a brief by Avril McDonald, LL.B., LL.M., MA., Ph.D An expert litigator of international law for The International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons - the most respected players in this matter in the word today. As for lack of consensus I asked for such and yours was the only voice raised in protest. You and I don't like each other and probable we never will. If that's clouded your judgment to the point where you won't think, your loss. --DV8 2XL 00:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Baijiu
The words on the red diamond say 酒鬼, which means "a drunkard" or "an alcoholic". Baijiu is sometimes collectively (and colloqially) known to some as "酒鬼酒" due the high alcohol content. The other bottles say 湘泉酒, 玉金湘, and 三千年, clockwise from "酒鬼". As for a new classification scheme, I would say no. While the technique used to make them are slightly different, we pretty much have "the bases covered" with the chinese wine article. this classification is likely more for marketing. Sjschen 00:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I guess, 湘泉酒, 玉金湘, and 三千年 have not yet been covered, but like you said there seems to be an endless variety of baijiu. Each of them seem to be either produced (1) in a specific region or (2) uses a slightly different process. To list them exhaustively here would be slightly pointless due to the difficulty and (possibly) impossibility of the task. Rather, I prefer to just state the major "themes" and give a few examples. I also agree on moving the lists to baijiu and keeping some major examples in Chinese wine (like maotai). After a bit of thinking, I decided that the Chinese wine article should be a prodution technique article with wine examples. This way the entire process from grain to either yellow liquor or white liquor could be written out plainly. It would also simplify the article a bit. Thoughts? Sjschen 04:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh no, I'm not suggesting any deletions, I just figure you might get a bit tired of listing everything, even a hundred is a lot. What I am saying is that some of the information in the chinese wine article can go to a new sub-article to chinese wine. Agreed on the maotai, and yes this stuff does (quite often) have that nasty nailpolish remover tang. Sjschen 04:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You may be right, the distillation process for most chinese wines are single and do not typically use distillation columns. This will explain the various "off" flavours present in the liquors. I believe this is done by the manufacturers to distinguish their product from other companies as well as to maintain the loyalty of their customers. It's my own taste, but I personally can't tell between the different branded vodkas. The way they make them now is to distill till the condensation is 90%-95% ethanol, charcoal filter it and add spring water back in to dilute it down to 50% alcohol. :P Sjschen 05:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Vodka does taste sharp and also mild in certain cases. I'm personally lead to believe it's the temperature you drink it at and the mineral contents of the vodka, but I suppose a certain amount of chemical residues in the distillate could contribute to the difference. As for fusal oils and such, yes these are what contribute addition flavours to hard liquours of all sorts, especially moonshine. Fusal oils come from the "tails" of a distillation process (higher boiling point) and compounds that are considered flavourants in chinese wines such as ethyl acetate and ethyl lactate come from the "heads" of distillation (which may also contain methanol). Vodka distillers cut the heads and tails off to get the pure ethanol flavour in separate distillations. Different still masters cut them off at different times, which I guess contributes to each vodka's flavour (or smoothness). You can actually buy food grade ethanol (at 95%) from Sigma Aldrich and dilute it with your own water, it taste the same if not better then some vodkas, but then again I don't know anything about this...

I sometimes suspect that some manufacturers actually add ethyl acetate and ethyl lactate to their liquors to give it more flavour but that's just a paranoid guess. Sjschen 05:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah methanol is bad, which is why you get rid of it when it first comes off the still as part of the heads. Interestingly most of the "smooth" and "flavoruful" compounds are also somewhat toxic, at least in very large amounts. Fact is most of what we consider tasty or good smelling in small quantities can be toxic in tablespoon quantities. For instance acetone is very important in perfumes and ethyl acetate is one of the key (natural) flavorants of most Belgium lambic beers, and both are considered to be rather "Bad". So maybe Tito's vodka might be very "clean" but maybe it just lacks some of these potentially toxic substances to make it smooth to one's taste? That or the water he uses for dilution just isn't very good? I dunno. Maybe that's why having a still and some alcoholic mash is not enough to make one a stillmaster? Sjschen 06:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

On a separate note I think Kirsch and Slivovitz have many of the same notes as baijiu. Ever tried them?Sjschen 06:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe there is something of a conspiracy with girlfriends buying boyfriends nasty alcoholic drinks...yeah you're not alone in your slivovica... I agree with the ajinomoto deal. Chef used to use that stuff as the sole thing in their soup base, which is an absolutely horrid idea. They have toned down though, now they use less of it, and a tiny pinch goes a long way in vegetable stock or chicken broth. Fact is modern cooking is at a lost without this stuff unless you go to the REALLY high end restaurants, which make the broth concentrates out of you favourite vegetable and animal parts. But then again, this broths will still contains a lot of MSG, since it occurs naturally in all (higher) living things.

The manufacturers are also getting better at producing better umami flavours, for instance by mixing glutamic salts with inosinic acid salts, or adding other types of amino acids salts, such as glycine. I think in general, with all "tantalizing" flavourants it's a better idea to use less then not use them at all. I mean what's life without some danger, or rather some flavour? I going to doze. lates. :) Sjschen 07:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

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Geladandong and its location


Geladandong is located in the smaller southern piece of Haixi Prefecture. Administratively speaking, the exclave of Haixi Prefecture is:


 * Tanggula Township, which is part of
 * The City of Golmud, which is part of
 * Haixi Prefecture, which is part of
 * Qinghai Province

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by foothills, but as far as I can tell from my atlas, the Tanggula Mountains are spread across the prefectures of Haixi, Yushu, and Nagqu.

-- ran (talk) 23:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Yellow/white liquor placement
While I agree that it makes sense that the literal translations sit next to their chinese characters, the fact that we use the terms "Yellow liquor" and "White liquor" in the rest of the text warrants a more formal and emphasized "term introduction" in the article intro than just a cursory mention as "literal translation". As well since the "Distilled liquor" and "Fermented wine" terms are not really used in the article should they be mentioned as terms? Sjschen 04:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Put it how you think it will look a bit less weird, I'm sure you have a better idea of what phrasing sounds better in anycase. My writing tends to be towards the cruddy. Sjschen 05:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Guy Goma
Thank you for your many contributions to the Guy Goma article. I see you have added the disputed external links back to the article. However, I think this issue needs more discussion. I invite you to come to Talk:Guy Goma and give us your reasons why you think the websites in question meet the guidelines set forth at WP:EL, and hopefully we can work this out to everybody's satisfaction. -- MisterHand 13:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Wànniánqīng
Have you heard about an East Asian leaf vegetable called 万年青/萬年靑 wànniánqīng (lit. “evergreen”?)? If so, do you know whether it has an an English name? Quick googling suggests Rohdea japonica as its scientific name, whereas some plant with the similar name of 虎眼万年青 would be Ornithogalum caudatum or O. saundersiae.

It is a bit odd that the package of dried leaves I've got has 万年青 printed on the front, but 菜蕻 càihóng(hòng?) in the ingredients list. I do not understand Chinese; is 万年青 perhaps too vernacular to use in the list?

The watered leaves' smell resembled that of cooked kale. Wikipeditor 15:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for looking into this and replying (on my talk page). 20:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Bass clarinet
Sorry about removing Bass clarinet from Category:Bass clarinetists. I suppose there's something I don't understand yet about the structure of categories. It does seem, however, that belonging to Woodwind instruments is redundant with it belonging to its subcategory Clarinets. Yes? Special-T 22:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So it seems that categories are sometimes used almost as "see also" links, which would be clearer to me - but I guess "when in WikiRome, do as WikiRomans do". I'll leave the other redundancy alone.  Special-T 23:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, category says in the introduction:
 * A category is a list page which serves to aid browsing of related articles. Categories generally sketch topics rather than define them. Often&mdash;but not always&mdash;they do classify topics...

Thanks for the help. Special-T 23:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Rohdea japonica
Hi Badagnani - thanks for the note; I've got a bit more info on it, so can do. - MPF 00:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ran into an edit conflict, thought I'd got everything merged, and then discovered I hadn't! I think I got it put right second time, but could you check, please. Also, as it is the sole species in its genus, it would be better placed at the genus name Rohdea (as with other monospecific genera) - do you want to move it or shall I? (long past my bedtime now so I'll leave it till tomorrow now if you want me to do it) - MPF 01:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks; yep, genera with just one species go at the genus name - it makes searches easier (e.g. entering "Ginkgo" in the box, rather than "Ginkgo biloba"), as well as simplifying the link from the family page. Might as well do it now, hold fire on editing for a few mo's, please!! - MPF 01:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Whew, what a lot of redirects you'd made! Good idea on the "Rhodea" one though, I can see it is an easy typo for people to search for (easy to assume it is something to do with rhododendrons etc, even though it isn't!). Actually named after Michael Rohde (1782-1812), a botanist from Bremen - MPF 01:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for a good laugh
You wrote "What does "we should not be publicizing such information" mean? That we should protect the state secrets of Pakistan?" I thought that was a rather prussant comment. Full points --DV8 2XL 03:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Puissant, puissant, puissant. Should always use my spell check (face is burning) -- DV8 2XL 03:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

New essay on Cowell
Thanks! Just got the message (and link) a minute ago. Look forward to reading and digesting it. (He argues there's no preprison/postprison split in style and purpose?! Have my ears deceived me all this while?)--DCGeist 07:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Myspace
Please do not include random photos of people in our articles. It does not matter how hard anyone worked on an article. If it does not conform to our guidelines it does not belong here. --mboverload @ 09:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please comment on this page:Talk:Filipino_hip_hop. --mboverload @ 09:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Pile-on
Ok, I'd imagine you're pretty cross right now. I don't want to have a battle, or for you to feel like it's all-in six on one. I did ask someone else to help, in a perhaps not-so-nice way. That person hasn't even come around yet, by the way. What's happened is that one editor sees an article in someone's contributions, or an edit in recent changes. So they go to look. Then the article is in two people's recent changes, so then two more people some to look... snowball.

There's no denying that this article had diverged quie a bit from the norms of wikipedia. I'd say that some arguemtn could now be made that in an attempt to bring it back into line with our usual standards, we're pounding the article like a bag of rabbits.

So, I'm going to lay off a bit, and ask the others that we go a bit slower. Removing every image was probably a bit rough. We can work out something together that makes everyone happy.

brenneman {L} 09:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What I wanted by removing every picture was to get someone to select a few proper photos and have a clean slate while they were choosing where to put them. I can see how it could be interpreted the wrong way very easily. --mboverload @  10:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Ajemian
I did find exact birth and death dates for Maro Ajemian. The source I'm using is the Library of Congress authority file which is pretty good about these kind of things because the people creating the file are doing a lot of background research for each person they work on. As for the categories for missing birth and death dates, I've already worked on a lot of those people; some of them don't have any more info thats available (i.e, there are gaps of information which we can't fill). --FeanorStar7 01:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply; re: the authority file, it's not available to the general public, no; so I'd be happy to search it for you if you have questions; re: Mr. LaVine, no I don't know him; I work in a different section of the Library; I do know some people in the Music Division, but not him.--FeanorStar7 07:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-28 Editor abuse and threats
Given that there is no one on the wiki that could state with a straight face that you are intimidated by me, or that we are best buddies, I would ask you to review this page and the links and extend an opinion. Please be sure, if you do, to look at the previous discussions on the matter which are linked out to on the page.

I will not attempt to influence your opinion by any more detail. Please enter any remarks you might care to make in the section provided at the bottom. Thank you. --DV8 2XL 15:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Vegetable oils
Just thought you might be interested in knowing that I've started a vegetable oil category. The existing Category:Cooking oils isn't really enough, since (1) there are many vegetable oils that are used for other purposes than cooking and (2) there are many cooking oils that are not vegetable oils. There was no category to be able to find oils made from plants. I'm currently going through the oils in List of vegetable oils and categorizing, as appropriate.

I found your articles on smaller languages very interesting, by the way. You might be interested in the people groups database on the P3 Web site. It's not Ethnologue, but it's fairly comprehensive. Waitak 07:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm in Hong Kong. I can't place the instrument you're referring to. The name sounds Mandarin, offhand. Thanks for the comments on the vegetable oil stuff. It's all about finding a good compromise, I think. Waitak 08:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't linseed oil categorized as a vegetable oil but just under "oils"? It is listed in the List of vegetable oils article so I presume it is one, though not generally considered to be edible.


 * Because I haven't gotten that far, yet. :-) Want to help? Waitak 08:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yayue/liyue
Hmmmm, I'm not too sure. When I hear the words liyue, I come to think of it meaning "rites and music"... Never heard it used in the context of "ritual music". Where did you get the idea from? --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 14:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably did (came from China), but in a different context. --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 07:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Talky talky
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFilipino_hip_hop&diff=57504514&oldid=57146945 --mboverload @ 09:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

FRCW
Thank you! I didn't know about his last name. I added him to the indigenous leaders and personalities table on WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America.--Rockero 09:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Removal of "Jewish composers and songwriters" category
I'm renaming the category SONGWRITERS. You're adding back all the composers. Stop it - its doubling the work. Thank you. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.158.243 (talk • contribs)

Please stop. The composers are already listed in Jewish classical musicians - I checked. You are just increasing my workload pointlessly. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.158.243 (talk • contribs)

You are right...some do overlap. I am keeping those. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.158.243 (talk • contribs)

Be Patient. I am going to make the category soon. First I'm moving all composers out because they are listed twice.

I think you are misunderstanding that every composer is in: Jewish classical musicians. That's why it was suggested to split Jewish composers and songwriters. Look at the talk page. So to make it easy, I'm removing all the composers and only leaving songwriters or composers who also wrote songs (thats why I kept some you claim did both). However, many never wrote lyrics -- and you keep on returning them. It is slowing down what otherwise would have been a quick and easy change. If you can do me a favor, make Category:Jewish songwriters for me.

The composers are already in Category:Jewish classical musicians - unless you want to move them to Category:Jewish composers which would just be superfluous. It's easy to put all classical musicians in Category:Jewish classical musicians and then all the ones who also wrote lyrics in Category:Jewish songwriters.

I would take a wikibreak but you keep on reverting. 72.144.158.243 10:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Help Reverting Jewish Musicians
You're welcome - I just take pleasure in reverting. He need to replace the category with something else... Maybe if he got an account first, THEN made the changes. Gah. HawkerTyphoon 10:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm re-adding them all now using popups. User has made quite a few edits, but it'll be fine. HawkerTyphoon 10:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Argh...
Could you give me a hand with User:ComposerCleanup? He seems to think he is in the right, still. Drop a line on his talk page regarding yoyur views, could you? It may help matters. X HawkerTyphoon 11:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Too many Categories
Depopulating the "Jewish composers and songwriters" category in favor of putting all the composers simply in "Jewish classical musicians" means that people looking *only* for Jewish people who are/were composers will be prevented from finding this information.

I was not the one who put all the composers in "Jewish classical musicians." That was done way before me. The goal here is simple: we want to make a category that will encompass as many of these people are possible. Otherwise we end up with people like Gustav Mahler who would have


 * Cat:Austrian comp
 * Cat:Bohemian comp
 * Cat:Jewish musician
 * Cat:Jewish comp
 * Cat:Jewish songwriter

Which is bad for the article and for anyone wanting to make a simple search. If you look through "Jewish comp and songwriters" you will notice that a good 75% of the people there have "Jewish classical musician" with them. This is extraneous. Hence, I wanted to simply rename Cat:Jewish composers and songwriters Cat:Jewish songwriters and only include lyricists in that category (ie: Billy Joel). This would pretty much save articles from having way too many categories, and would make searching much easier. If you have a better idea, say it and we will work on that. ComposerCleanup 11:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

You can be a condescending as you wish, but I'll continue to try to reach an agreement. We have several options here:


 * A) Break apart "Jewish classical musicians" and make a "Jewish composers" plus a "Jewish classical musicians" as well as a "Jewish songwriters"

Drawback: This would make three categories plugging up a bunch of articles - we don't need that many


 * B) Keep "Jewish classical musicians" as it is and make "Jewish composers and songwriters" simply "Jewish songwriters". This was what I was trying to do and would have within an hour had we not met with a revert war.

Which one do you see as better? ComposerCleanup 11:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

In all honesty, I think that option A is better. Why don't we need that many? It's not as if it makes any difference to bandwidth or the like. There is, of course, option C - leave it as it is. HawkerTyphoon 11:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Leaving it be is silly when it could be improved in under an hour. Nobody ever gets a consensus out of a big group of people on wikipedia. The thousands of "no consensus" afds/cfds I see is proof enough. Wiki:Be Bold policy is the best policy available. I don't think anyone would have even raised an eyebrow at the changes I was about to make, but Badagnani likes to be very authoritative and bossy (while putting up this facade of being "fair and balanced" and "following the rules.") This is all a hobby of ours - seriously get over it.

Anyway, how about first creating a Category:Jewish composers and adding all composers to it. Then having Category:Jewish classical musicians purely for musicians that don't compose (like Heifetz?). There aren't that many songwriters to be dealt with, so a Category:Jewish songwriters is ok. If there are no disagreements from you, then I'll get to work. ComposerCleanup 12:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

List MT
Try saying it out loud. In any case wikipedia's defintion of vandalism is pretty narrow.Geni 12:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

date format
hi, i just noticed you were doing a lot of nice clean-up work on some korean history articles. just one quibble, though, please don't wikilink simple years or centuries. per WP:MOS, WP:MOSDATE and WP:CONTEXT, only full dates with days should be wikilinked for customized formatting purposes; simple years or centuries shouldn't be linked unless they are significant topics themselves. thanks. Appleby 15:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * actually, i just re-read those guidelines after a few months, & it seems they have changed to be more lenient. it's sort of a pet peeve, gratuitous visual clutter, imho. thanks again for your contributions though, didn't mean to bother you about such a minor issue. Appleby 16:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Appalshop/WMMT

 * I've never had the pleasure of tuning them in from North Carolina. Come to think of it I'm not positive about Tennessee, but I think there signal would have to reach some places down there.  The mountians have some weird effects on radio signals.  Sometimes you can't tune them in from the next county.  They used to claim they had listeners as far away as southern Ohio, but I'm highly skeptical.  Up here one must settle for the online stream.
 * While I'm here I should say thanks. I've encountered many music related articles that you've had a hand in.  Nice work.  Someday we should add some info to Appalshop, regarding the Seedtime on the Cumberlands festival, and the Roadside Theater (both of which could be notable enough for their own article if one just had the time...). -MrFizyx 19:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Countercheck
I am quite sure. To countercheck, perhaps you can use the Hangul version of Ji Hee Kim - cut and paste on the search box if you don't have a Korean keyboard and search for her. If there are results, then it's correct. To check for the romanizations, perhaps you can refer to the principal articles and counter-check on how the romanizations work. I strongly believe it's correct, but please make ammendments if otherwise. Thanks. Mr Tan 04:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you can try doing that on "Yahoo! Korea". That would provide higher chances of receiving some results. Also, do try entering the webpages you think which describes her (I did that while searching for Korean celebs, too). There is little need to know Korean in this aspect, however (I hardly know Korean)--I identified my destinated results by looking images posted on specific webpages. Anyway, since you have a chance to meet her, I hope that you can get some of her essential personal data for wikipedia. Cheers! Mr Tan 04:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. The best way is to write to her. However, if you wish to, Yahoo! Korea is the second best option---but asking someone personally for someone's info is still the best. Anyway, I thank you for your affiliation with her--otherwise such research would have been harder. Cheers! Mr Tan 05:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Nagore
Thanks Badagnani. Good work there. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Date formats
Hi, The point of having wikilinked full dates is so people can set their preferences to see what they like. I prefer the ISO format 2001-04-08 but you can set it to display April 8, 2001, 8 April 2001 or 2001 April 8 if that's what you prefer. --Cavrdg 08:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Dates_containing_a_month_and_a_day is the reference on linking. A bit further down, in the ISO date formats section, it is recommended that they should not generally be used in normal prose but are useful in lists, tables, for dates of birth/death. --Cavrdg 08:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Origin of suona
I'm not sure. I it read somewhere but have completely forgotten the source... --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 15:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

re: Pharaoh Saunders
Oops, my bad! Sorry about that, and thanks for catching the miscorrection. Cmdrjameson 19:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that's interesting. If it's being frequently miscorrected, something that can help is to put a HTML comment in the text directly before/after the name saying that it's meant to be spelt this way. People may not notice a comment at the top of a page, but it's hard to miss one right beside the word in question. I saw a similar problem with articles on a band called Descendents before.

Again, apologies for not paying closer attention; usually I'm fairly good at noticing the context and not blindly correcting misspellings, but every now and then I slip up.

Cheers, CmdrObot 19:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)