User talk:Badgettrg

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Medical references

 * Hi Badgettrg, I use the cite journal template. There's a neat tool that helps out: .  For example to cite PMID 8594428, I would go to the tool, which will create a script in cite journal format
 * You can then reference it using, where Mazzafero is the first author.
 * Here's an example: The Milan criteria for liver transplantation in hepatocellular carcinoma suggest that one HCC less than 5 cm or three less than 3 cm have increased survival with transplantation.
 * I'd also recommend Diberri's template filler http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/templates/?type=pmid for formatting refs where you have a PMID, PMC or ISBN. Saves having to remember that the pmc value should be only numeric and will usually provide a DOI and url for recent refs. and  work ok too, with a more verbose style. http://reftag.appspot.com/ for giving a cite book from a google books URL is also useful. RDBrown (talk) 23:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I am pretty happy with http://sumsearch.org/cite/ . It follows the convention of assigning the name attribute of the ref tag using "pmid12345678" - as does diberri's (at least diberri did in the past) - so that two independent uses of a citation in one article by two independent wikipedians will not lead to duplicate citations in the reference list . I think this is better (because PMIDs are unique) than using the author name as done in your example. Unlike diberri, sumsearch adds links to ACPJC if available. it can also help with numeracy. I have been using http://sumsearch.org/cite/ for a while now, is there a problem with my reference structure? They seem ok to me; however, I wrote http://sumsearch.org/cite/ so I can fix it if needed. Diberri has moved to a new url. Thanks - Robert Badgett 00:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In that case I think you have a bug, and I have an enhancement request. Fixes |pmc=PMC< > bugs and has some of my normal fiddles. Please put separate page ranges with ndash (as Diberri's tool and the DOI Bot do). If easy please add URLs too. Diberri's source is up on CPAN. I'm interested in your source too. Some of my notes on my talk page may be useful, don't know. When putting in named references by hand, I will use an unquoted surname2digityear. I think the ref tag values don't need quoting if they're valid identifiers ( [a-zA-Z]+[a-zA-Z0-9]* ), as the pmidnumber you're using are. You're right that the pmid form is unique, but it's not good for my fallible memory at least. RDBrown (talk) 15:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. The page numbering and urls should be fixable. But per http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/techbull/so08/so08_skill_kit_pmcid.html, the PMCID includes the prefix "PMCID". Note that for the Berlin questionnaire article, if you search PubMed with "143529", which is what WP says is the PMCID, you will not retrieve the correct article. However, if you use the proper "PMCID143529" you will get the article. Someone needs to fix the templates at WP because it is displaying a misleading number. Ideally, since I am guessing there are many PMCIDs in WP without "PMCID", the template should look for either format then prepend the PMCID is needed then make the url only display PMCID once. Otherwise, PMCIDs and PMIDs will get confused. I will work on the pagination and urls. Curious, this previously was not a bug at WP and the PMCIDs worked correctly. - 169.147.175.193 (talk) 18:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you know that number is for a PMC as the formatted entry tags it, the leading PMCID is redundant. The problem is if you leave the PMC in, the generated URL probably won't work (linking the number or the article title if there isn't a URL). The number only form is longstanding, since it provides the anchor for the link out and the article on PubMedCentral will show their preferred form, it's unlikely to be a problem for most people. When there are a lot of refs, brevity helps too I think. RDBrown (talk) 23:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the close look. 1) I fixed the lack of URLs 2) I am not seeing a problem with pagination. Do you have an example where it is not picking up the pagination correctly? 3) I would like the PMCID to remain as is since it matches the NLM's instructions. The NLM recommendation keeps users from confusing PMIDs and PMCIDs, in addition, this approach supports future expansions of PubMed xml such as NIHM. Similarly, I note that the diberri tool is not able to handle PMCIDs and NIHMs as input because of this whereas my tool (and PubMed) can handle all of these as well as NCTs. I just made this proposal at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Citation_Style_1 - Robert Badgett 14:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)