User talk:Bagumba/Archive 16

Danny "Dan" Crawford
Hi. Want to personally thank you for closing the AFD. I have found editors sometimes like to dig their feet in on issues, which can be a bit of a time sink for everyone. I am personally not that interested in Basketball (beyond being a general sports fan). One of my main focuses here is on referees and other officials. I have also been critical in the past of SNGs, but one thing they are good for is reducing the build up of afds that are likely to end in keep. You seem to be actively involved in the Basketball articles so was wondering if you think it is worth trying to add referees to WP:NBASKETBALL. I was thinking it could be a relatively high threshold (like refereed a NBA finals game). AIR corn (talk) 06:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * All's well that ends well. I don't know enough about referees and their coverage to have an idea on what is a fair SNG threshold. Usually, I'm also more on the side of WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY with SNG, preferring to leave it to GNG unless there's way too many AfDs in an area. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 07:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Dan/Danny Crawford
I was actually going to suggest at the AfD that the Dan Crawford article be moved to "Danny Crawford" as my search of "Dan Crawford referee" brought up mostly links mentioning "Danny Crawford". DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Then I went and moved Dan Crawford (missionary) to Dan Crawford, which made me responsible for changing all the Dan Crawford inks to the ref to Danny Crawford. Not the type of gnomish work I usually find interest in 🙁—Bagumba (talk) 07:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Protect Kings rookie pages?
There is a publicity photo from the Kings where their four rookies - Fox, Jackson, Giles and Mason III - holding up jerseys with their draft positions on them (5, 15,20,34 respectively). A number of IPs keep adding these as uniform numbers when I think it is HIGHLY unlikely that this will be the case. Can you protect them? Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, been away. I think the articles have the right numbers now.  Publicity photo or not, there's always this obsession to add unsourced numbers.—Bagumba (talk) 07:14, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Wkoppel sock
User:Grey_Jackal is a recently-created account with an already prolific edit history. It's clearly another sock of User:Wkoppel, whom you blocked a couple of years back for unsourced and sometimes incorrect edits, and refusal to discuss the issue. The emphasis on Big 10 and the idiosyncratic edit summaries are key. See Sockpuppet investigations/Wkoppel/Archive, and prior discussions here on your Talk page, here, here, here and here. If you'd prefer I file at SPI, I'd be happy to. Thanks! JohnInDC (talk) 11:03, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Likely, though I will say that I've run across a few editors (not socks) since that also religiously leave edit summaries of the form "I did XYZ". Socking aside, are they still being disruptive?  I vaguely remember you or someone else saying before that this editor was mostly productive.  To their credit, I see them using "No."  after they were told on their talk page not to use "#". —Bagumba (talk) 14:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked closely, but no, they aren't being disruptive, and agree that (in the main) they are productive - if rarely sourced. I confess to being frustrated by his repeated and persistent block evasion, but at least this way we know where he is, and I would be content to leave things as they are for now and return to you if problematic edits resume.  Your call!  JohnInDC (talk) 15:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It's actually more your call. I'm sure you can open an SPI and someone will follow the letter off the law and block the guy.  I'm resigned that this will just be a serial sock who will not be deterred, and I'm willing to be lenient if it's not driving away productive editors by the "unfairness" of not following rules.—Bagumba (talk) 15:17, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * He bugs me more on principle than on practice, but I'm not going anywhere b/c of him. I'll keep an eye on him and report back if there are problems.  Thanks!  JohnInDC (talk) 15:53, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * re the blocked Wkoppel likely morphing into Special:Contributions/Grey Jackal, do you see the escalation venue as WP:SOCK re current block, WP:ANI, or other? Thanks, UW Dawgs (talk) 01:42, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Dawg has been patiently following Jackal around and fixing his mistakes, which if they are not multiplying, are certainly not abating. And, just like the (presumptive) master Wkoppel, he's completely uncommunicative.  I don't see any difference at all between the behavior of the editor under this name, and the behavior that got him indef blocked in the first place.  If you're okay with it, Bagumba, I'd recommend an indef block for this sock too.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 02:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * All that said, I'd be happy to file an SPI report if you'd prefer. JohnInDC (talk) 02:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've been away. I've blocked per WP:DUCK.  If this persist, opening an SPI  is not a bad idea to  establish a clearer behavioral profile so other admins can get involved too.  Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 07:46, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't apologize, I / we knew you'd get to it. I'm happy to cover this via SPI in the future.  Thanks once again for your help.  Dawg, stay in touch!  JohnInDC (talk) 11:13, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Paul George trade official
Hey Bagumba. Could you please return the Paul George article to semi-protect edit mode now that the trade to the Thunder is official. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 17:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It was done by another admin. DaHuzyBru (talk) 18:28, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

UCLA recruit Kris Wilkes
I just removed a PROD on it. I feel like he meets GNG. However, I am focusing on other things so I thought you might be interested in adding sourced to demonstrate this. Rikster2 (talk) 02:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm on the road for next few weeks, so likely wont be doing more than an occasional phone edit. Thanks for salvaging this.  I'm not big on SNGs, but adding one for MCD AAs or consensus 5 star recruits might be OK if this is a big enough problem.—Bagumba (talk) 23:51, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Tarik Black
Could use protection if you get a moment. Rikster2 (talk) 01:54, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Done, and blocked the other editor for unsourced edits.—Bagumba (talk) 14:02, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Paul Pierce
Could stand to be protected if you get a chance Rikster2 (talk) 00:09, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Did for 1 yr as there's been persistence nonsense even before this Boston contract.—Bagumba (talk) 14:19, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Derrick Rose
Could use a higher level of page protection. Rikster2 (talk) 01:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Changed to WP:ECP, though that wouldnt have stopped the last edit.—Bagumba (talk) 02:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Precious two years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Much appreciated.07:11, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Bryan Proby
If you'll see here, here, and here, it would appear the subject's family has been attempting to edit his article. I say family, because they always remove the same part. I'm not asking for it to be protected, yet, but could you help keep an eye on it, just in case? (talk page stalker)  Crash Under  ride  04:37, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The arrest seems dubious since it's a primary source, and check out the disclaimers on that website. I erred on the side of privacy and removed it.  You can always post to Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard if you want wider input. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 06:31, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Also per WP:BLPKIND, be careful about characterizing edits to remove negative info by people related to the subject as "vandalism". Not that it has to be removed, but people understandably don't like seeing negative information, but could honestly might not be familiar with all the nuances of how WP works. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 06:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:GA
Hey, I nominated F. Lee Bailey, wanna help me out and get the review going? lol :D (Asking in sarcasm.) (talk page stalker)  Crash Under  ride  03:32, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Waiting for Kato Kaelin.—Bagumba (talk) 17:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Uncommon baseball infobox stats
I've noticed some nonstandard stats have been creeping into baseball infoboxes. Particularly runs and on-base percentage on Mike Trout and Aaron Judge. Should this be nipped in the bud? Lizard (talk) 00:03, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Those stats are not mentioned in WikiProject Baseball/Player style advice. It seems like your options are to 1) make a bold edit, 2) see if consensus has changed at WT:BASEBALL, or 3) do nothing.—Bagumba (talk) 10:56, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll remove them on those two players now but if they're re-added I probably won't bother. As long as we don't start getting into WAR (a stat that's completely ridiculous in my opinion) or OPS in the infobox. Lizard  (talk) 14:19, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Pau Gasol
2 edits in the course of 24 hours does NOT mean it's an edit war. My first edit in the matter happened weeks before these 2 edits occurred. I will not make this edit again as I am fully aware how WP:3RR works. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 08:13, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Page moves
Hey - I hate to ask because it feels like I should be able to do these myself, but could you move two pages? One is to move Edrice Adebayo to Bam Adebayo. His nickname is clearly his COMMONNAME. The other is Shawn William Campbell, which should be moved to Shawn Campbell (basketball) - he did not play using his middle name, it feels like this was named as such to avoid a DAB. If you move them, let me know and I can do the work to adjust the links to the page (bigger issue with Bam to be sure). Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 12:54, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've been away. I went and gave you page mover rights.  You can follow "improved sequence" at WP:SWAP, which I think should give you what you want.  Alternatively, you can just make the technical request at WP:RM.—Bagumba (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That works - thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

User block
I think User:Lebronjames92 might need a timeout. Clearly ignoring talk page notes and still being disruptive. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:23, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Gave them one last warning.—Bagumba (talk) 18:19, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

NEED HELP please
Hello my friend ... I am editor on Arabic wiki and French and sometimes a bit in English .. today I really have a problem with two pages on wikipedia English Osama Tolba and Eslam Magdy... These people have written on them only to advertise and make talk about them ... we don't even know them in the Arab world and even the sources it's they who wrote them ... On Arabic wiki they have been deleted but on wiki english .. I don't know what they expect .. I however report their deletions ... but the individuals having written the articles deletes my report what do you can help me ???? Aelita14 02:26, 31 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aelita14 (talk • contribs)

Format of LaVar Ball
Hello, as someone who has edited the LaVar Ball page in the past, I thought you may have an opinion on how exactly to format the "in the media" section. I have come up with a temporary way to organize it but it doesn't seem to work as more news continues to be released about LaVar. TempleM (talk) 14:23, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure "exactly" how to format it. However, I think it's good that you're attempting to organize it, as opposed to have it all be one giant list of chronological events.  However, I'd try to avoid the play-by-play minutiae as much as possible, unless a specific set of events are frequently brought up weeks or months later (e.g. the Jordan claim, the $495 shoes, etc).  BBB specific stuff can be placed in the company's article, summarizing only the key points in the bio. For the most part, I think too many verbatim quotes get tedious to read also. Per WP:CRITS, we should also try to minimize using the word controversy unless absolutely necessary.—Bagumba (talk) 17:18, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

iheanyi uwaezuoke: african sportsperson.....nigeriansportsperson ...... national football league
your restored version of article: iheanyi uwaezuoke ambiguates the subject's nationality by use of term: "American football" in the articles intro description. thus by definition this version is contentious in nature. by default the remainder of the article is invalid. clouded. this article is about an individual sportsperson. it is a stub about an African sportsperson. it is a stub about a Nigerian sportsperson. bellow is a list of valid categories to be used for further disambiguation,. restore the disambiguated version, make your minor edits regarding: citation, sourcing and use of neutral language to the articles talk page. then check your talk page for the final version. your comments pertain to minor edits regarding one paragraph within the article. entire article removal (and reuse of time sensitive image) constitutes contentious editing. 

the following categories are used for disambiguation of nationality: ►Category:Players of American football by position‎ (16 C) ►Category:Gridiron football receivers‎ (2 C) ►Category:Gridiron football return specialists‎ Category:Igbo sportspeople Category:Nigerian sportspeople stubs Category:African sportspeople Category:Nigerian players of American Football Category:College football statistical leaders by team Category:California Golden Bears statistical leaders Category:Carolina Panthers football players Category:San Francisco 49ers football players Category:Detroit Lions football players Category:Miami Dolphins football players

CAUTION "Gridiron football" and "American football" are valid subcategories for the general category "Football". deleted or replaced a version which references the subjects sports league National Football League in the articles intro description. the description adds clarity to the brand of football without disambiguating the subjects nationality.

'REMINDER Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libelous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard. If you are connected to one of the subjects of this article and need help, see this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.200.200.195 (talk) 06:04, 5 September 2017‎ (UTC)
 * I had no opinion about the content of the article, and was merely restoring the version prior to your unexplained blanking of the article. As you had already been engaged in an edit war with others about the article's content, blanking the article twice also had the appearance of being disruptive.  Please discuss your proposed changes at Talk:Iheanyi Uwaezuoke and gain consensus there.  A gentle reminder that continued edit warring may lead to your being blocked from editing. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 09:24, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It appears that 50.200.200.195 might be confused that I changed the content of the article, when I was merely reverting to the version that existed before it was blanked. It seems that your edit on 4 September introduced major changes which you explained in the edit summary as "article was in poor shape, last stable version".  However, that also introduced the IPs concern that it is now ambiguous whether Uwaezuoke is American or not.  The lead used to read "... is a Nigerian, former professional football player in the National Football League", and you changed to "is a former American football wide receiver and punt returner for the San Francisco 49ers, Miami Dolphins, Detroit Lions, and Carolina Panthers of the National Football League."—Bagumba (talk) 11:29, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Question
Hi Bagumba,

2+ years ago, I nominated this list at FLC. Its main reason for failure was failing WP:LISTN as a result of the 300 SB cutoff. Since the cutoff no longer exits, how is WP:LISTN proven? I took a look at List of Major League Baseball career on-base percentage leaders as an example and just couldn't figure it out. Any advice on how to make round #3 a potential success for the list if I am to renominate in the near future?  Sports guy17  ( T •  C ) 00:43, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding the cutoff for the OBP list, it appears to have been .400 when it was approved for FA, but it was expanded to top-100 recently. Sorry, I don't have any ideas on what a notable grouping might be for SBs. It's possible the only alternative to is convince everyone that top-100 is justified here, or just accept this will never gain FL status.—Bagumba (talk) 07:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * What I've found so far is that the MLB website uses top-50 as the cutoff, but beyond that, no cutoffs of note are used in non-Sports Reference sites. I am seeing the 500 stolen base milestone mentioned across the board by many news sites, including CBS and NY Daily Times. Is it worth giving that a shot? I think the sources I mentioned satisfy WP:LISTN, and that seems like a fair cutoff seeing that 500 is already mentioned in the list anyways.  Sports guy17  ( T •  C ) 13:51, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Just make sure it satisfies my comment from the last FLC: "WP:LISTN advises that the grouping should be 'discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources ...'. I don't see the group discussed in those links, just the individual player reaching a round number of" 500. You should probably review other comments (not necessarily just mine) and see if they have been addressed. Best of luck.—Bagumba (talk) 01:33, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm re-abandoning this list, especially as long as people are allowed to mindlessly revert to their preferred versions just because they think it "looks nicer". Lists like this and arguments that have culminated on it will be the death of WP:BASEBALL. In the meantime, you can find me trying to promote good and featured content elsewhere. I'm happy to collaborate you elsewhere on WP:BASEBALL or on another WikiProject. I just will not work with lists like this one anymore.  Sports guy17  ( T •  C ) 04:45, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a collaborative site, for better or for worse. Don't let this particular list get you too discouraged; others have more obviously notable inclusion criteria. I'm admittedly pretty picky on the rare occasions I accept invitations to do reviews.  So ask me at your own risk, though I selfishly think the article will leave in a better state, even if not promoted. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 05:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I do know of lists that haven't been promoted yet, such as the 20–20–20 club. Pretty specific notability and inclusion criteria with that one, so I may decide to get it ready for FLC sometime in the future. For now, I may work on other projects, including two other lists I have sitting at FLC right now.  Sports guy17  ( T •  C ) 14:19, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Featured list candidates/20–20–20 club/archive1 was a mess before (for the record, I supported it).—Bagumba (talk) 14:25, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * And there lies the problem with lists like those. The 20-20-20 list is a very well-written list, but it appears to have failed all because there aren't "enough entries", which imo is just ludicrous. I'm probably going to be focusing my efforts on WP:NFL and other sports-related for now. Thank you for your help though.  Sports guy17  ( T •  C ) 17:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

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NFL list standardization
I've moved the career leader list pages and begun reworking them to be less cluttersome. List of National Football League career rushing yards leaders looks much cleaner now than it did before, especially with the huge HOF column gone. Lizard (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * An IP re-added bolding to active players on List of National Football League career passing yards leaders, but I'm wondering if that's superfluous now that there's shading. Lizard  (talk) 15:09, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * One or another should be sufficient. Is there an NFL FL precedent?  If not, what about NBA, Baseball?—Bagumba (talk) 07:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * List of National Football League annual receiving yards leaders is the only one I know off the top my head. Lizard  (talk) 07:35, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed the bold, and started a discussion for good measure as well.—Bagumba (talk) 07:53, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Bruce Maxwell
Thanks for protecting the page. I've never been there at ground zero before and didn't know what to do. Thmazing (talk) 03:26, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. You can always request protection at WP:RPP.  Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 05:51, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Your addition to the Bruce Maxwell page was incredibly biased. Restoring the text "He made his MLB debut in 2016, became the first baseball player to turn his back on the United States by kneeling during the national anthem" is a textbook definition of bias. And the text you replaced was a paraphrasing of his stated reason for protest as described in a series of tweets he made. Please explain. –Kevin Lyda (talk) 09:11, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing your concerns to me. I had reverted the edit on my phone, thinking "keel" was meant as vandalism that he fell or fainted. See my edit summary, "rvv", showing my intention to revert vandalism. Afterwards, I realized the previous version had NPOV issues, and "keel" could have just been a typo.  By the time I corrected it, there was an edit conflict since someone else beat me to.  I semiprotected the page in light of the BLP concerns raised by the edits from non-autoconfirmed editors. Let me know if you have any further questions.—Bagumba (talk) 09:32, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

9 years of editing, today!

 * Happy anniversary Bagumba!! The years just fly by don't they. Best wishes for the next nine. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:07, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
Hey. You've had dealings with this sockpuppet investigation in the past. I think this user is a new sockpuppet. They have similar niche dealings with China and Australian NBL, and always introduce overlinking and unnecessary white space. Here's a classic "Source" example as well from July 8, 2016. What do you reckon? Can you check the IP with past socks? Thanks in advance. DaHuzyBru (talk) 12:49, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I wasn't clear on your "Source" example, but it's otherwise obvious. Done.—Bagumba (talk) 02:18, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Placing "Source:" followed by a url in the edit summary, much like this. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 03:31, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I missed that habit being mentioned in the SPI.—Bagumba (talk) 07:31, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

2016–17 New Mexico State Aggies women's basketball team
Any way you can restore 2016–17 New Mexico State Aggies women's basketball team, which you deleted in April and was previously deleted by another admin in March? The page is clearly notable - they made the NCAA tournament and almost beat a #2 seed. It's frankly embarrassing to have that glaring red link there and would be extremely burdensome to redo from scratch. And I can't see the edit history for either version, but I find it hard to believe there were no other editors at all the whole season. Maybe the second version, which was only up a month, but not the first version. Now, you didn't delete the first version, but you're the most recent deleting admin, so I'll reach out to you. And if you restore it, I'll be happy to add other details so it no longer qualifies for G5, but I simply don't have the time to start it from scratch. Smartyllama (talk) 20:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I've restored at Draft:2016–17 New Mexico State Aggies women's basketball team.—Bagumba (talk) 01:54, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Could you possibly do the same with 2016–17 Quinnipiac Bobcats women's basketball team? That's another tournament team with a redlink that was deleted for the same reason. Thanks. Smartyllama (talk) 02:45, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * See Draft:2016–17 Quinnipiac Bobcats women's basketball team.—Bagumba (talk) 07:28, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Smartyllama (talk) 11:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't see how many other Qunnipiac seasons have articles, but if it's more than one or two, could you please restore the navbox? If it's just one or two, obviously the navbox shouldn't exist, but rather paradoxically, without the navbox, I can't see if it should exist in the first place. Smartyllama (talk) 11:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There is only 2015–16 Quinnipiac Bobcats women's basketball team. Just search on Wikipedia for the phrase "Quinnipiac Bobcats women's basketball".—Bagumba (talk) 17:36, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi protect request
Any chance of Anderson Varejão being semi'd? People are still adding NBA champion to the infobox despite my note directing them to the discussion at WT:NBA where we deduced he is not to have that listed there. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:00, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm wary to do anything as nobody has commented on the related thread at WT:NBA. I've place a note at Talk:Anderson_Varejão pointing to the general discussion. Until there is a clear consensus, I'm wary on protecting it against IPs and new users.—Bagumba (talk) 04:52, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Block request
Surely a timeout for Stuv3 is warranted now. They are just a troll. DaHuzyBru (talk) 12:13, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * They have joined the discussion on the Simmons' talk page.—Bagumba (talk) 15:04, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Page protection
Hi Bagumba, can you please protect the Corey Kluber‎ article? Thanks -KH-1 (talk) 04:39, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Done.—Bagumba (talk) 04:44, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Lindenhurst Liberty
Could you keep an eye on ? I believe it to be the latest incarnation of User:Lindenhurst Liberty. There's the characteristic interest in Chicago Transit Authority plus changing – to. Also compare to ; see interaction report here. Any thoughts? Sro23 (talk) 14:11, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Blocked WP:DUCK. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 17:12, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball All-Star players
Hi Bagumba -

I noticed your reply to this merger proposal about possibly creating a list of MLB All-Star players. I think that's a great idea and I've started messing around with a draft in my sandbox. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on how to format this. Since AS rosters are so large and date back to the 1930s, we are going to end up with one gigantic list. Is there a better layout than just an A-to-Z list of each player selected? I don't mind doing the work, but I want to make sure that the list ends up being meaningful.

I looked at List of NBA All-Stars and some other sports lists, but this one seems like it would be unique because of its sheer size. List of Major League Baseball managers is interesting to me as far as how they cover the topic without listing every manager in baseball history. I just don't know quite how I would group All-Stars together - maybe by decade or by team would work. If you have any ideas, I would love to hear them. Thanks! EricEnfermero (Talk) 02:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * See List of players selected to the Pro Bowl for a comparably gigantic list. Although I can't say I agree with the layout, or even the existence of the article at all. A list with this many entries is better suited as a category. But if one must exist, I'd favor listing by year rather by name. That's how I did List of unanimous All-Americans in college football, although a list of MLB All-Stars would be much larger and contain more intricate detail so this way might not be viable. Lizard  (talk) 05:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Lizard. Your points are well taken. I don't want to create a cumbersome list just in the name of creating a list. Let me think on this, but I appreciate your response. EricEnfermero (Talk) 10:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * FWIW regarding size, WP:SAL says: "These should only be created if a complete list is reasonably short (less than 32K) and could be useful (e.g., for navigation) or interesting to readers." Now 32K sounds like a lot to me, and I have no objective opinion on whether it's really feasible, but that's what the guideline says.—Bagumba (talk) 12:35, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

HOFers in championship infoboxes
What say you about how each of the 3 major NA sports projects lists HOF players in championship infoboxes? E.g. 1980 NBA Finals, Super Bowl XI, 1930 World Series. To me, that's definitely not something I'd consider to be of utmost importance. And in each of those examples the list of HOFers takes up more room than anything else in the infobox. I think we should trim them out; I'll start with trying to get consensus for it on WP:NFL and go from there. Ideally (hopefully) all 3 projects can agree one way or the other. Lizard (talk) 09:04, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but I find the refs and broadcasters to be even more trivial for the infobox.—Bagumba (talk) 09:45, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * (I'm watching your talk page) There's a few things, for sure. Like how the NBA Finals infobox lists the results of the Eastern and Western conference finals; obviously the Lakers and 76ers won their respective conference finals. Perhaps a reworking from scratch is in order. Lizard  (talk) 13:27, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Be bold and remove the cruft and see if anyone complains :-) —Bagumba (talk) 12:42, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Lonzo Ball ZO2 Prime
Do you think that it is necessary to add details on Lonzo Ball's redesigned signature shoes in his endorsements tab on his page? Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 12:17, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe one sentence that there is a revamped version? I don't follow shoe news much, so not sure if there is more that is relevant.  One key thing with recent news updates is to keep WP:NOTDIARY in mind.—Bagumba (talk) 13:48, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 14:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

NBA All-Defensive Team Most Selections Table
I recently updated the said table to show the players with the most selections overall first and was wondering if the table should be updated to give more importance to players with more overall selections than the current minimum of four first-team selections. I was thinking it could be changed to show players with at least 5 total All-Defensive team selections, since the table does say "Most Selections". Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 14:52, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally, I always like smaller lists as they make it more discriminate, as opposed to some fanboy list of arbitrary length that borders on WP:NOTSTATS. I guess top 10 is smaller than you would like?  If the list is around 20 or so, I guess it's not too bad either. I know you posted this at WT:NBA before.  Note that you can always choose to proceed based on WP:SILENCE. I usually add a note about WP:SILENCE and a link to relevant discussion in the edit summary. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 00:44, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Earl Watson Firing
Hi Bagumba,

I was just wondering what the problem was about my edit to Earl Watson. You and I both know that he was fired from the Suns a few hours ago. I have sourced info here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21118483/phoenix-suns-fire-head-coach-earl-watson. I just do not see what I am doing wrong here. Could you please tell me, without blocking me?

Thanks,

WarriorsFan30112335 (talk) 00:39, 23 October 2017 (UTC)WarriorsFan30112335
 * Thanks for discussing this. You can refer to WP:SPORTSTRANS regarding how breaking news is typically handled. Wikipedia is not in a hurry to break news, so we generally just wait the few hours or days for the inevitable official announcement.  Also, cite your sources (in the edit summary at the very least) for anything that could be challenged, which typically applies to news like firings and signings. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 00:52, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Portals
Regarding this; I've wondered before about the value in including these general-topic portal links on pages. And to be honest I'm not sure how much value "portals" as a whole add to the encyclopedia, but anyway. I can see maybe adding these on broad topic articles, like the main NBA page or NBA draft. But on individual player pages it seems like another useless element on a page full of other little-used elements. Lizard (talk) 17:30, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I started doing it after someone in baseball project started doing it to boost traffic. IIRC, the NBA portal had only like 20 viewers/day, then went up to like 80–100.  At worst, chalk it up as useless time that I am volunteering :-) —Bagumba (talk) 17:39, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. If it produces noticeable results then it's definitely not useless. Lizard  (talk) 18:20, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:49, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

IP block
Any chance of an extended block for this IP? They have been blocked before and are still editing in the exact same disruptive way. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:34, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. 1 week.—Bagumba (talk) 20:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Drew1830
May I ask your input on a matter. User:Drew1830 has been inserting coaching and support staff sections into all Miami season articles, which by itself is fine. However, his edits are problematic in that (i) he has been formatting these things in ways that are incorrect (overcapitalization, misplacement, lack of citations), (ii) when I tried to clean up his work, he immediately reverted, (iii) when I asked him to stop and discuss, he refused and continued reverting, and (iv) he takes the position that the articles are "his work" and that nobody should change them without first discussing with him. Cbl62 (talk) 23:44, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

This user didn't discuss this with me prior to reverting all of my edits. Then he demands that I discuss mine with him first? I did all the "Work" on the pages and this guy swoops in to undo it all? It's a joke. Drew1830 (talk) 23:46, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm only getting to this now. Wikipedia editing generally follows the bold, revert, discuss cycle, and it seems that discussion is now ongoing at User talk:Drew1830. Let me know if there are still specific points you feel I can assist in moderating.  I've also added Drew1830's talk page to my watchlist for the time being. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 10:35, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Frankly, discussion appears useless. Even after my efforts to discuss, Drew1830 continued reverting every one of my comments, even simple improvements like correcting overcapitalization. See this diff. This is an extreme case of WP:OWN. Cbl62 (talk) 15:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've commented at their talk page.—Bagumba (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Let me know if the editing pattern still continues. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 15:24, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you can assume all is understood based on WP:SILENCE. I'm taking it off my watchlist.  Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 13:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Bagumba -- This guy just reverted every one of my edits again. Can you help with this? I don't think he is going to listen to reason. Cbl62 (talk) 04:20, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Tyus Edney
Hello,

I am the wife of Tyus Edney, my name is Danielle Edney. Tyus has 3 children, Kennedi, Kolbi-Rae and Tyus Edney Jr. They are children from previous marriages. Our children view his Wikipedia page and want the content to be accurate. Not representing his children hurts our family. Futhermore the photo that is posted on Tyus' page is not an authorized photo from Tyus and not a flattering picutre.

We want to have his page not only accurate but also reflect a flattering photo of him.

I'm happy to provide you whatever proof you need within reason to confirm my identity so that the changes to his page may be reflected appropriately.

Please let me know.

Thank you,

Dedney13 (talk) 02:26, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for discussing your concerns here. Regarding Mr. Edney's children, I had made these changes last night regarding his family based on reliable sources I was able to find, and the 3 children are now mentioned.


 * Wikipedia requires that all content be verifiable based on published reliable sources. This guards against incorrect information or damaging rumors. However, biographies will seem out of date to the subject if there are not sources that can reflect a recent update in their life. This appears to be the case with mention of your marriage. Per the Wikipedia guideline at WP:AUTOPROB: ""If Wikipedia has an article about you, we want it to be accurate, fair, balanced and neutral – to accurately reflect the sourced, cited opinions of reliable sources. If you believe reliable sources exist which will make the article more balanced, you can help by pointing other editors to such sources." Do you know of a published source that we can cite on Wikipedia?  I tried looking at Mr. Edney's bio on UCLABruins.com, but there is nothing on his family. One option you might pursue is to have the UCLA Athletic Department update his bio if you wish the information to be public.


 * Regarding the current photo, these are generally photos taken by contributors in public places, who then agree to release the photo for free public use. There are some others here. Mr. Edney is definitely welcome to contribute a picture.  With a few exceptions, the person who contributes a photo must be the one who took the picture and must be willing to release copyrights under "Creative Commons, attribution, share-alike", meaning the public is given permission to use and modify the image freely as long as the original author is attributed.  You can refer to A picture of you for details on how to contribute a photo.


 * Let me know if you have further questions. You can also read Autobiography for more information on handling Mr. Edney's article.  Best regards.—Bagumba (talk) 03:47, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Block request
This IP needs a timeout ASAP. DaHuzyBru (talk) 15:18, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Done, 1 week.—Bagumba (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Seth Wickersham
What did Seth Wickersham look like before it was deleted? Is it worth userfying or should I just start from scratch? Lizard (talk) 22:11, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It was an unsourced stub.—Bagumba (talk) 00:06, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/SNIyer12
Hi, Bagumba. When you get a minute, please have a look at the evidence I posted at this sockpuppet investigation. In short, I believe that the original poster's hunch was correct. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 18:13, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being vigilant. IP blocked.—Bagumba (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * And thanks to you for acting so quickly. If I ever see further sock activity at any of these articles, I'll be sure to let you know. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi protect request
Any chance of semi protection for Andrew Gaze? The same person is adding all this overbloated, unsourced awards/honors over and over again using different IPs and now a user name. Is there a case of disruption? Check out the page history. DaHuzyBru (talk) 12:10, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Protecting due to unsourced edits to BLP. Otherwise, note that actual honors that warrant being listed is a content dispute, and would not generally be semi-protected.  Discussion is more appropriate.  It's a technicality, but WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Style_advice that you cited is for the NBA, whereas Gaze's honors was for the NBL. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 16:21, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand it's for the NBA, but can't it also represent basketball in general i.e. the types of honors that are listed in an infobox, NBA or not? The person adding them is clearly unfamiliar with infobox standards – I just thought directing them to a guideline of such could give them some clarity. There is no such NBL guidelines, but the standard for the NBL should not be far off the NBA standard i.e. no "all time" additions, no Olympic notes etc. Thanks for the consideration anyway. DaHuzyBru (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It probably makes sense, Im just guessing its never been discussed outside of the NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 14:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Matthews family
I want to create an article for the Matthews football family, (1) because it's certainly notable and (2) to trim this section on every family member's article. Is Matthews family good or should it be disambiguated in any way? Like "Matthews football family" or "Matthews family (American football)." I ask because I noticed there's Mathews family (Virginia) which is disambiguated even though it's the only Mathews family article on Wikipedia. Lizard (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't add a disambiguator unless there was an existing conflict. Seems like the spirit of WP:PRECISION.  On the other hand, Matthews and Mathews are also pretty close. Oh well, be bold one way or another.  People will fix if there's a better way.—Bagumba (talk) 09:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Couple Rogue IPs could use a time-out
This one is continually section blanking and adding unsourced info to the same 2 articles and this one is continually changing heights and positions on NBA roster templates. Both have been warned numerous times. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 01:52, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Done—Bagumba (talk) 02:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Max Gerson
this is not pointed to everyone there, but the great majority there at wiki are so gutless. you guys are cowards. you pawn yourself off as being unbiased but you clearly do not give alternative medicine any reasonable chance. Do you know who Albert Schweitzer was? How can you not put stock in what he has said about Max Gerson? I have a friend who was given 12 months to live with pancreatic cancer. this was 37 months ago. He is on the Gerson diet. His doctors are very surprised, but they have zero interest in finding out why. They call him their "oddball" case. Really?? I am sure you and everybody and wikipedia have loved ones dying of cancer. 99% of our culture believes this is quackery. Trust me, I have seen the other side to this. It has worked. In more than just the case I cited above

What is truly frustrating is that you do not even acknwoledge that people can be helped by this. Just remember that as long as our culture collectively refutes this, many loved ones will die because they believe what the culture believes (unless somehow they are strong enough to see the truth here).

You can take the easy way out now by burying your head and saying what everyone is saying; that this is quackary. But it isn't. The ironic thing of all of this is that the premise of this is basic science, something the multi billion dollar medical establishment refuses to look at. please respond so that I know you got this. I wont bother you again. thanks for listening.

PS - I am sending to you cause I clicked from page to page and could not figure out anybody else to send to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoodKingJohn (talk • contribs) 21:08, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Question about scripts
Hi Bagumba, in regards to this discussion, I will be glad to change the Pound sign (#)... to # denotes... considering I'm one of the editors who inserted it in most boxes. With that being said, I am not wanting to do it manually due to the large amount articles the wording is in so I was wondering if there is some sort of script or tool on Wikipedia I can use? Thanks, Corky Buzz by the Hornet's Nest   02:49, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If you use Windows, you could probably use AutoWikiBrowser.—Bagumba (talk) 05:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * is pretty knowledgeable in scripts and doohickeys. Lizard  (talk) 05:47, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I can definitely help, either semi-auto or with my bot. Can you give me (a) an idea of where to find pages needing the change (e.g. a common category, etc.) and (b) a diff demonstrating the exact change needed? ~ Rob 13 Talk 06:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:American college football bowl by team navigational boxes has the bowl game navs. Seems like discussion is still ongoing in the above thread as to the desired footnote formats.  At Category:National Basketball Association coach navigational boxes, navs like Template:Los Angeles Lakers coach navbox have "Pound sign (#) denotes interim head coach." which can be simplified to "(#) denotes interim head coach."  (for that matter, maybe even use * instead #)—Bagumba (talk) 09:40, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Here is a more comprehensive category list which have navs with the text "Pound sign (#)": Category:American college football bowl by team navigational boxes, Category:National Basketball Association coach navigational boxes, Category:NCAA Division I FBS coach navigational boxes, Category:National Football League coach navigational boxes, Category:Canadian Football League coach navigational boxes, Category:NCAA Division I men's basketball coach navigational boxes, Category:NCAA Division I women's basketball coach navigational boxes, Category:NCAA Division I athletic director navigational boxes.—Bagumba (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Bagumba. I use Safari so I'm going to let Rob take care of it! Corky Buzz by the Hornet's Nest   20:24, 12 December 2017 (UTC)