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killing of floyd -- chauvin kneels on neck
Hi,

You reverted my edit of this section before I managed to find a way to upload the transcript to commons. I do see that the time 00:10:10 is relative to when Keung turned on his bodycam.

As to why it's relevant, it is the first time Floyd said "I can't breathe" and it is interesting that at that time he was standing up. I don't claim to understand the full significance of that but it means that some part of the meaning of the phrase refers to something that was happening when he was standing up.

Can you help me figure out what to do with this? It did seem important to get the first statement chronologically there. Also it might be part of the officers' motivations in not getting off him if they thought (incorrectly or whatever) that he was referring to something else. Curious what you think of this Createangelos (talk) 22:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there, and thanks for discussing this. It seems that the transcripts have been available for a while, even if the actual video was just released. To avoid WP:OR, you would at least need a reliable source that specifically notes that specific quote, preferably one that provides some comment about it's significance. Generally, we should not be analyzing video or having to assess the actual time it happened. Bear in mind that per WP:ONUS, we don't necessarily include something just because it is true. Ultimately, there needs to be consensus. If you have other ideas, feel free to discuss at the article's talk page. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 02:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Wow, nice answer (better than I expected, essentially ideal). It sounds like things are well in hand, I hadn't realized I don't need to upload the transcript to commons. I guess I'll leave it for now. I think I was viewing the transcript as a source, and wanting to incldue something about it (eg a summary), and the first occurrence of 'I can't breathe' seemed to summarize it. I do see now that a primary source is not a source.Createangelos (talk) 08:13, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. There's a lot of editors with different viewpoints on his death, so there is higher scrutiny when any given quote is included. An objective way is showing that reliable sources deem it significant. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 08:29, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

IP range block
Hey. Could you please consider a range block for IP 2607:FCC8:B10B:5F00.... They have been vandalising NBA player stat tables. Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:48, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. 1 mo. Thanks for flagging it.—Bagumba (talk) 02:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I got a message saying something I wrote didn't meet Wikipedia standards.
I did not see any mention of what specifically was the alleged infraction - it would be helpful to know, and maybe there is some easy way to find out, but I am not aware of it. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C0:427F:2840:B9F3:D972:9146:5A16 (talk) 04:50, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Your weight changes to Karl Malone and Antoine Carr were not supported by the basketball-refernce.com link in the infobox.—Bagumba (talk) 05:17, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Cool - thanks for the quick response. Just to clarify, the heights and weights listed by basketball-reference.com are mostly measurements from college just before the player entered the pros. Many of them are not accurate for the players' actual playing career. All of the sports reference websites are run by private individuals and are *NOT* any kind of official authority on anything (nor do they claim to be, to my knowledge). They are awesome websites, for sure, but they have their limitations.

Karl Malone was indeed listed as 256 pounds by the NBA and the Utah Jazz throughout his entire professional career. That is well documented. I would humbly submit that the NBA and the Utah Jazz are more authoritative on this subject than basketball-reference.com. In fact, I would bet the guys who run basketball-reference.com would agree with me on this. I would presume that Wikipedia wants to be as accurate and close to the truth as possible, and the undeniable truth is that Karl Malone was officially listed at 256 pounds throughout his entire career by organizations who are actually authoritative on the matter. I would suggest listing Karl Malone at his true listed weight of 256 pounds, and we could add one or two references for clarification, if necessary. And similar for Antoine Carr, obviously. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C0:427F:2840:B9F3:D972:9146:5A16 (talk) 05:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The main issue with those edits are that they were not verifiable; a reader does not know where the measurement can be verified because you did not leave a citation. A secondary issue, which can be discussed at WT:NBA, is how do we resolve conflicting sources. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I will add citations for the accurate weights. Agree that conflicting sources is always a concern, but in the case of Karl Malone, that won't be an issue, as he was always listed at 256 pounds by every reputable source during his time in the league. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C0:427F:2840:14D7:C78E:11EF:21BF (talk) 19:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI, there is weight_footnote for infobox basketball biography that is a bit more elegant for notes on weight. I already changed Antoine Carr (someone had contested your Malone edit).—Bagumba (talk) 05:08, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that - it totally looked terrible the way I did it, but I didn't know how to do it the right way. Good to know that now. What does the "contested" edit about Karl Malone mean, then? Is there seriously somebody who doesn't believe that Karl Malone was listed at 256 pounds? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C0:427F:2840:14D7:C78E:11EF:21BF (talk) 05:28, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

And should also mention...
Please add insertion of succeeding bracketed remark to what you sent me, which is what I did (now deleted). OK, I shouldn't put that back in, but I did avoid deleting or editing the existing remark. Carlm0404 (talk) 02:45, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I believe brackets are appropriate for WP:REDACTing your own edits, but not someone else's. Also, your comment wasnt signed, so nobody would know it was from a different editor from the original. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 03:37, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

And what if I had put name in? You figured it out anyway. Carlm0404 (talk) 05:47, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Concerning your message here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Archive_18

You left a message on the "Headers for seasons" section here saying that you are not completely against headers. Now that the discussion has been archived, do you have a better idea for a header? --DeathTrain (talk) 21:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There's 80 some odd threads there. You will need to provide a specific link to the one you are referring to. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 01:45, 17 July 2020 (UTC)


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League&diff=prev&oldid=954736896 DeathTrain (talk) 20:58, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I do not.—Bagumba (talk) 03:16, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * How about "First-Team All-Pro" for 2019, "Second-Team All-Pro" for 2018, and "Rookie year" for 2017. DeathTrain (talk) 13:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, you should follow WP:REDACT in the future if you ever alter your own comments after someone already responded, like you did here earlier on my talk page. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 14:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding the header, my earlier comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Archive_18 still stand. If you read them, my expectations are clear. If you have an improvement, it's probably best to explain it back at WT:NFL and get others' feedback as well. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe that putting First-Team All-Pro in 2019 can be put into context if "Second-Team All-Pro" is used in 2018. If he ever gets another All-Pro in a future season, it could say "Second First-Team All-Pro" or "Second Second-Team All-Pro". Another possibility is to put 2018 as "First All-Pro", 2019 as "Second All-Pro", and future seasons as "third [or fourth, etc.] All-Pro" DeathTrain (talk) 14:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, I started another discussion there. DeathTrain (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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Chris Gragg
I am thinking about moving the Chris Gragg article to WP:FAR and posted this section on the talk page. Any feedback you have would be much appreciated. Tonystewart14 (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. I left comments there.—Bagumba (talk) 08:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. Looking at step 6 at WP:FAR, seems like there are other relevant parties that should also be notified. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 04:13, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Done, notified others who I previously notified but didn't get a response from as well as an inactive user who nominated the article for FA. Tonystewart14 (talk) 14:33, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Protect Jarrod Uthoff?
An IP keeps removing sourced “personal life” section that he is the son in law of congressman Jim Jordan (and from Jordan’s article too). The IP should probably be sanctioned, but can we protect Uthoff (and maybe Jordan too)? He info is hardly a secret and isn’t derogatory, so not sure why the issue. Rikster2 (talk) 17:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Another admin blocked them.—Bagumba (talk) 00:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:WNBA player
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Some baklava for you!

 * No problem. Actually,  pointed it out at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anthroponymy. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 10:41, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
For correcting me at. Would you be kind enough to revert my warning to the user here ? I was barred from doing so from my phone as an IP. Thanks again, 2601:188:180:B8E0:8C26:C03B:228C:AC22 (talk) 02:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I left them a note. It's unclear why you would be "barred". Consider placing helpme on your talk page to resolve the issue. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 11:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Apparently, attempting to remove the content with a simple 'undo edit' was flagged as unconstructive, and disallowed with an ominous template message. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Andre Spencer
You gotta do something with his article - he’s on the recent deaths list and the news is all over Twitter (Northern Arizona basketball account confirms the death). It isn’t appropriate for the death to not be indicated in my opinion, even if all details aren’t known. Rikster2 (talk) 19:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It was uncited before, and I only found Euroleague posting before and it didnt sound decisive. If it seems more credible now, go ahead and add it. It's only pending change protected.—Bagumba (talk) 00:22, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated reversal
Revision as of 14:34, 1 August 2020 (edit) Michael R Bax (talk | contribs) (Opinion not fact; the autopsy states that cause of death was HEART FAILURE. A knee on the neck does not stop your heart. Dead does not always mean killed.) Revision as of 14:49, 1 August 2020 (edit) (undo) (thank) Bagumba (talk | contribs) (Undid revision 970638797 by Michael R Bax (talk) incorrect, please establish consensus on the talk page)

What specifically do you claim is incorrect? Note that the assertion that Floyd was killed (instead of died) is unsupported by the physical evidence and therefore violates NPOV.

Michael R Bax (talk) 08:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , feel free to establish consensus with others at the article talk page. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:04, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Bagumba, can you answer my question first please? What specifically do you claim is "incorrect"? — Michael R Bax (talk) 09:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I had explained on your talk page already. Either it made no sense, or you disagree.  This topic has a lot of eyes on it, and my opinion is just one.  In this case, it seems more constructive for you to pursue this at the talk page. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 09:49, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

George Floyd's protests
I enjoy reading your Wikipedia articles, and they're very informative and interesting. However, there is some misinformation regarding the death of George Floyd. I don't know if you were able to view the "leaked" bodycam footage, but I did view it, and it's definitely a shocker. His death had absolutely nothing to do with racism, or police brutality. I understand that's what the BLM, the MSM, the Leftists, and the Democrats want people to believe. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind, if we can work together to truly expose the BLM? I've been watching them since 2013, and they've become drunk with political power. I think that with the way that you eloquently describe your articles, and with the data that I had collected; I think that the page would be fantastic. Please let me know what you think. Thank you for taking the time to read this comment, and I hope that we can work together on some articles together. LadyGoth1 (talk) 12:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. See Talk:Killing of George Floyd/FAQ. Wikipedia is generally based on reliable, secondary sources and not editors' interpretation of primary sources like bodycam videos. There is a similar discussion at Talk:Killing_of_George_Floyd. I'd recommend you post at the respective article's talk page if you have suggestions on improvements. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 03:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Wilbert Olinde
New Wooden-era UCLA player article - thought you might be interested. Rikster2 (talk) 11:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll assume he's notable.  Added his HS, which was the same as Walton's.—Bagumba (talk) 14:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

"IMDB scandal" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect IMDB scandal. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 16 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Moyasayom
He is likely going to need a timeout for continually deleting others’ comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association. Rikster2 (talk) 22:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. Moyasayom —Preceding undated comment added 22:15, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK.—Bagumba (talk) 00:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Update!!!!!!
Russell Westbrook’s stats on his wiki page for 19-20 season Nbanbanba700 (talk) 01:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, a lot of editors have been volunteering to update players' pages now that the season has ended. If you provide the wikitext for Westbrook's updates, you can submit a request at his page.—Bagumba (talk) 02:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Chris Mullins
I am not going to fight you over it (it is not that important) but to my opinion your changes are not entirely neutral. I call it a pro-USA-bias. Subjects should be treated equal. Please keep that in mind. The Banner talk 10:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC) And yes, you startled me with al the reverts.
 * The relevant guideline is WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY. There was a prior consensus at Talk:Chris_Mullin. I do not own the article, and we operate on consensus—not any one person's opinion. Therefore, I don't consider this a "fight". Feel free to make a request at WP:RM if you want to change consensus on the title. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 10:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I told you I will not fight over it. I want you to be aware of the pro-USA-bias, something that is at odds with WP:NPOV. The Banner  talk 10:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Rick Upchurch
Regarding his name in the intro and this edit. Am I to understand that his legal birth name is "Ricky"? I didn't notice that in the intro when I edited the article a while back. Is there a source? --DB1729 (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That wasn't part of my initial changes. However, it looks to be "Richard", so I just changed it.  Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Understood it wasn't part of your edit. Thanks for quickly taking care of it! --DB1729 (talk) 14:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Change/Reversion to George Floyd Article
We seem to have a problem here, and I'm not convinced that the problem is me. For about the third or fourth time an addition I've made to the main George Floyd article has been reverted. Frankly, this appears to be an attempt to stifle certain information regarding Floyd himself which, if that's the case, would constitute vandalism. On your reversion of my edit, you claim that I used "copyrighted material without the creator's permission." That material, however, was properly cited, which makes permission a non-issue. I intend to repost the material with the same citation as before and the caution that I am viewing these reversions as not in good faith and borderline POV violations. Not a threat. I'm just saying that the persistent resistance to changes to this article which may be viewed as less than favorable toward Mr. Floyd are clearly not in keeping with the neutral, factual purpose of Wikipedia. Mikerrr (talk)
 * Citing a source does not entitle you to plagiarize. Per WP:COPYOTHERS: Therefore, it is legal to read an encyclopedia article or other work, reformulate the concepts in your own words, and submit it to Wikipedia, so long as you do not follow the source too closely.—Bagumba (talk) 16:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Quoting a source appears to be perfectly fine - as it has historically been for many decades. So, rather than simply adding quotation marks, you chose to revert my entire edit AND delete (I'll figure out how you did that eventually. . . ) the previous version to make it more difficult to correct the missing quotation marks. Interesting approach and appears to be exactly in line with the suspicions I outlined above, to wit: POV bias, bad faith edits, and borderline vandalism. Bad form. And a clear case of edit warring which should be done on the Talk page - not by reverting edits. Clearly outlined in the policies. . . Mikerrr (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikerrr (talk • contribs) 19:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You may not be aware of the non-free content guideline: Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited. As I had already stated on your talk page, another editor—not me—reverted your edit due to WP:NPOV concerns. Afterwards,  I reversion deleted your edit from the page history due to the copyright violation.  The page's deletion logs are publicly available. Earlier you stated: For about the third or fourth time an addition I've made to the main George Floyd article has been reverted. Going forward, I would suggest that  you establish consensus for your edits at the article talk page and avoid getting into an edit war.—Bagumba (talk) 02:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Mikerrr, I have noticed from the argument that you had with me on your talk page that quite a few of your actions have been a bit uncivil. Using all caps, telling other editors they have bad form, and biting newcomers are considered to be uncivil. Please try to follow this in your future debates with fellow editors. Thank you. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 20:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC) - keep your discussions with me on my page or yours. Your stalking/trolling me to other conversations is not appreciated and will not be tolerated without response. 24.42.188.240 (talk) Just be aware, as you undoubtedly are at this point, that there are some of us here who are watching for biased edit warring. Of course, I realize some of you consider anything which disagrees with your edits to be "edit warring." But, bias goes multiple directions. It's being watched. 24.42.188.240 (talk)
 * 24.42.188.240 or Mikerrr, first, if you are using multiple accounts this is considered sockpuppetry and doing it almost always leads to an indefinite block, so I wouldn’t do that if I were you. Second, do not tell me where I’m allowed to have a discussion. This talk page isn’t here only for you. Third, I don’t know what you mean by “biased editors warring” or “it’s being watched”. Edit warring has a pretty strict definition. However, if you’re breaking another policy (copyright, vandalism, etc.) your edit will always be reverted. Fourth, you have been a bit hostile in your conversations. I would recommend reading this article just to help lead you down the right path. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Protect Montrezl Harrell?
Target of IP vandalism. Rikster2 (talk) 03:05, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 03:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Whoa hang on there buddy
You reverted a sourced addition. Also, the use as a walk-up song for one player is not "signif baseball coverage" - that's every "trivial mention of its every playing" if I ever saw it. Also, the song was played, for years, as the New Jersey Devils took the ice at every home game. I didn't even add that tidbit originally, but someone else did and I knew it was factual, so I took the five seconds needed to find a source. Your wholesale revert was a bit over the top, no? Surely if I can take the time to source someone else's addition, you can take a minute to use Google rather than knee-jerk hit the revert button. JimKaatFan (talk) 18:17, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!
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Chris Mullin page move
Do you know a way to flag for an uninvolved admin to close that page move discussion? Time to shoot Old Yeller (ie - put it out of its misery). Rikster2 (talk) 21:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Moves automatically get sorted into Requested_moves%23Backlog. But move closes are not generally restricted to admins (WP:RMNAC). You could place a request at Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure, justifying why an admin is specifically requested, if you are inclined.—Bagumba (talk) 00:48, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft team
Regarding this revert. There is no standard way in the infobox to indicate what team drafted the player. Or is there? If it's not clear (first pro season is for a team other than the one that drafted him) should it be indicated in the career history of the infobox like how it's done here? --DB1729 (talk) 17:12, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I assume it was a conscious to not have included a draftteam in this infobox, as opposed to overloading existing parameters with the info.  Feel free to ask at WT:NFL. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 17:18, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Khris Middleton
This page has been receiving a fair amount of IP vandalism lately. Perhaps a semiprotect is in order? ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 16:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , semi-protected for 3 days.—Bagumba (talk) 17:02, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Isaiah Austin
Hey mate. Any chance for Isaiah Austin to be added to IP 112.200's list of pages that they can't edit, like DeMarcus Cousins currently is. They keep changing his height without a source. Thanks for the consideration. DaHuzyBru (talk) 15:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Done.—Bagumba (talk) 15:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

What's with the Reverts?
- Hey Bagumba! What's with the reverts? My contribution contains no original research, and NPR used the Official medical examiner's toxicological report on George Floyd. It is important that this fact be in the beginning of the article as someone being on a fatal dose of Fentanyl as well as Methamphetamine and Cannabis, when being killed is very important. JazzClam (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops. I had also left you a note on your talk page. Feel free to gain consensus on the article talk page.  Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey Bagumba! This guy NorthBySouthBaranof just instantly reverted my edit (I added the tox report), I'm getting a bad feeling this is gonna spiral downhill. I think i might need a third opinion JazzClam (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

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Unsubstantiated reversal
Revision as of 14:34, 1 August 2020 (edit) Michael R Bax (talk | contribs) (Opinion not fact; the autopsy states that cause of death was HEART FAILURE. A knee on the neck does not stop your heart. Dead does not always mean killed.) Revision as of 14:49, 1 August 2020 (edit) (undo) (thank) Bagumba (talk | contribs) (Undid revision 970638797 by Michael R Bax (talk) incorrect, please establish consensus on the talk page)

What specifically do you claim is incorrect? Note that the assertion that Floyd was killed (instead of died) is unsupported by the physical evidence and therefore violates NPOV.

Michael R Bax (talk) 08:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , feel free to establish consensus with others at the article talk page. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 14:04, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You did not answer the question. Again: what specifically do you claim is incorrect?  — Michael R Bax (talk) 13:04, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The answer is above from 4 August. You've edit warred with others on the same change already. The best I can tell you is to find other supporters on the article's talk page. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There was also more to the discussion here. I'm not clear why you chose to only partially restore this previously archived discussion.—Bagumba (talk) 08:45, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Quin cook
why you keep on changing his page Oakli (talk) 09:50, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I responded at Talk:Quinn Cook.—Bagumba (talk) 09:57, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Mobley
hello Evan Mobily is projected as the top pick in next year draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kartigang038885 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem if that is the case. Just cite a reliable source.—Bagumba (talk) 01:14, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Rescure an article
I need you to help me to rescue an article, that is nominated for deletion by some Iranian mafia or farsi-wikipedia. The article has over 30 references of reliable sources, as you can see here Iman Farzin. please have a look. regards --Thedunker66 (talk) 13:16, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Apparently a sock.—Bagumba (talk) 00:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Andrew Hayles
Hey, do you have a eurobasket subscription? Andrew Hayles' professional career needs a lot of fleshing out, and [https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Andrew-Hayles/Canada/Windsor-Express/90092? here] is his Eurobasket profile. I don't have a sub though! SportsGuy789 (talk) 03:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't. Try asking at WT:BASKETBALL. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 05:59, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2020).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg John M Wolfson
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Bduke • Nilfanion • Philosopher • Rspeer • Yunshui

Interface administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Ragesoss
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg TonyBallioni

CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg EdJohnston • Oshwah • Yamla
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Yunshui

Oversight changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Anarchyte
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Yunshui

Guideline and policy news
 * Community sanctions now authorize administrators to place under indefinite semiprotection any article on a beauty pageant, or biography of a person known as a beauty pageant contestant, which has been edited by a sockpuppet account or logged-out sockpuppet, to be logged at WP:GS/PAGEANT.

Technical news
 * Sysops will once again be able to view the deleted history of JS/CSS pages; this was restricted to interface administrators when that group was introduced.
 * Twinkle's block module now includes the ability to note the specific case when applying a discretionary sanctions block and/or template.
 * Sysops will be able to use Special:CreateLocalAccount to create a local account for a global user that is prevented from auto-creation locally (such as by a filter or range block). Administrators that are not sure if such a creation is appropriate should contact a checkuser.

Arbitration
 * The 2020 Arbitration Committee Elections process has begun. Eligible editors will be able to nominate themselves as candidates from November 8 through November 17. The voting period will run from November 23 through December 6.
 * The Anti-harassment RfC has concluded with a summary of the feedback provided.

Miscellaneous
 * A reminder that standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. (American Politics 2 Arbitration case).

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

“US” after City, State in basketball infobox
Feels like we have had this discussion a million times, do you have links to any later discussions than the one linked at the template documentation? An editor is pushing in it (also or baseball and college coach) so I am interested in linking any and all discussions. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 22:43, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Baseball and football dont list nationality, so a fair argument can be made to include US. For NBA, we're fairly consistent about listing nationality, so adding country is redundant in cases where it follows an already listed nationality i.e. American who is US born.  Semi-related was Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Infoboxes/Archive_16, which said dont add nationality if it duplicates a country in listed birthplace.  NBA is different in the nationality is already there, but the spirit seems to apply of not duplicating it in birthplace if it wasnt listed there first. This one (or few) user needs to establish consensus with NBA editors for the global change, or establish a wider consensus via RfC, etc.—Bagumba (talk) 01:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
Your pulling the hook was total bullshit ^%$@!!! Cbl62 (talk) 03:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , I understand the frustration, but we should not have a hook while the content was removed from the article by the other editor.  Let's get it stabilized and it can be reintroduced.—Bagumba (talk) 03:16, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The content was wrongfully removed the article for by an editor with an agenda to have the hook removed. Pulling it was complete bullshit IMO. This was an amusing hook that self-identified as satire. Compared to the utterly boring crap that's normally posted at DYK, this was a breath of fresh, satirical air. I've never been as angry about something in 13 years on Wikipedia. I will now step back to let my blood pressure go down. Cbl62 (talk) 03:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I do not appreciate Cbl62’s attitude and basically abandoning the standards of Did you know. Not to mention that his comments on my talk page was uncalled for. GamerPro64 03:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , the content debate can continue at WP:ERRORS. The hook was pulled after posting, so I can sympathize with the venting.  I've worked with Cbl62 before with no issues.—Bagumba (talk) 04:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * So after all that, you're still leading the opposition to the hook. May I ask why? Seriously. Cbl62 (talk) 11:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "leading". Others have expressed concerns about the hook before me both at WP:ERRORS and now WT:DYK. Others can chime in, and someone else will determine consensus. I supported the nomination being re-reviewed again.  Is there something else you are asking from me?—Bagumba (talk) 12:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm asking "why"? Cbl62 (talk) 12:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The "why" is because we should not assume everything a publisher produces is worth mentioning unless other independent sources take notice. If BallIsLife.com produces a mix for a player, I wouldn't automatically expect it to see it mentioned on the player's page. At a minimum, I would expect to see coverage from other independent sources that establish why its notable. I personally don't rely on tweets and FB post to establish WP:WEIGHT. Others may see it differently. Let me know if you have further questions.—Bagumba (talk) 12:28, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought you may have had a problem with the content. You've cleared that up. Thanks.  Cbl62 (talk) 12:39, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The pulling of the hook last night obviously ticked me off. I don't get angry often, but this really got under my skin. I thought I had come up with perhaps my best DYK hook ever and was upset when it was pulled. In retrospect, it's kind of silly to get so upset over something like a DYK hook. It's always good to listen, and your calm explanation helped me to understand your point of view. I apologize for my harsh words and look forward to continuing to work with you in the future. Best, Cbl62 (talk) 22:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * We ask users to make bold edits and we operate on consensus. Users can either celebrate it, tolerate it, or loathe it—your stress may vary. On a somewhat related note, I once review an FA, where I objected to stats being pulled from a stats database which I believe provided an undue narrative compared to prose in reliable source.  I didn't doubt the stats, but reliable sources don't mention them. If stats are true, but nobody mentions them, should Wikipedia? So I thought it was obvious to everyone that an FA shouldn't give undue weight from cherry-picked stats. The FA passed anyway. Welcome to crowdsourcing. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 04:14, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Are you able to delete redirects?
Someone created redirects for a few NCAA basketball seasons pointing to NCAA Division I. They create the illusion these articles exist instead of encouraging creation through redlinks, and the target doesn’t really help the reader who follows them. The redirects in question are 1973–74 NCAA Division I men's basketball season, 1974–75 NCAA Division I men's basketball season, 1975–76 NCAA Division I men's basketball season, 1976–77 NCAA Division I men's basketball season and 1977–78 NCAA Division I men's basketball season. It’s fine if you tell me it has to go through a discussion, although if that’s the case I just won’t be bothered. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Unless there's a WP:SPEEDY delete reason, WP:RfD is the place. Sorry.—Bagumba (talk) 19:41, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Question
Hi Bagumba, I hope all is well! How do I check to see the number of blocks a user has had and when they occurred? It’s been so long since I’ve checked and I can’t seem to remember. Thanks, Corky  04:34, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Going as well as anything these days. Haha. If you go to a user's contributions, there is a link there for "block log".—Bagumba (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ha, I hear ya there! Thanks for the help! I was looking at the bottom of the page, which is why I couldn't find it. lol Appreciate it, Corky  06:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Protect Bogdan Bogdanović (basketball)?
Pretty much anyone who is being traded should probably be protected. Some deals will be announced at the draft because they involve picks. Rikster2 (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Protected. FYI, I might not be available much between now through draft.  Looks like someone at WP:RPP went and  pre-emptively protected the draft page at least.—Bagumba (talk) 16:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Al Horford/Danny Green
Hi, I edited the pages of Al Horford and Danny Green. Why did you change them back? They were both officially traded for each other.
 * Your sources say they are in the process of "trading", but your edits are WP:OR, reflecting it as a done deal, i.e. "traded". Also, we typically should not use WP:RSBREAKING news sources attributed to anonymous source tips e.g. unnamed team officials, etc.—Bagumba (talk) 00:31, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

My apologies; I understand what you mean. I was mistaken thinking the article I found claimed it was official. I will find a reliable source.
 * No worries. You can also look at the page history; I typically leave a note explaining my reverts.  But whenever there's still questions, definitely use the talk page like you did here.  Thanks!—Bagumba (talk) 00:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Great, thank you. I will wait until the Oklahoma City Thunder/Los Angeles Lakers announce the trade.

Template:NBA Draft template list
Hi Bagumba. Can you please add 2020? SportsGuy789 (talk) 06:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Done.—Bagumba (talk) 08:45, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Malachi Flynn
Flynn has been receiving a lot of IP vandalism since the draft. Perhaps a semi-protect is in order? ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 15:39, 19 November 2020 (UTC)