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Administrators' newsletter – May 2024
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Eric Sievers
WaggersTALK  00:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Citogenesis- you replying to my topic 'Overzealous editing to have article in the news section of the main page'
Thank you for relying to the topic 'Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 110'

When Louis Gossett Jr died I forgot to put a project of his named Backstairs at the White House in the lede. I didn't pick up on it right away, but at one point I did notice most obituaries weren't mentioning it.

Your reply was an eye opener. Yes I did notice things like that while the user didn't lie, the person would put a completely false citation to confirm a project.

This is something I had to correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Louis_Gossett_Jr.&diff=prev&oldid=1220827473 The citation did not mention that specific project.

Louis Gossett Jr. was a wonderful artist/actor and much of his later work was overlooked. I just think the user wanted to highlight, but there are many strange edits.

Filmman3000 (talk) 05:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Filmman3000: Thanks for the message. I'm sure sometimes it's an honest mistake, while other times it appears to just be leaving a citation to give the appearance that WP:ITNQUALITY is met. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bagumba I think the user wanted Gossett to be in the WP:ITNQUALITY, and wanted the media to pick up on his later work.
 * But the user didn't do it right, if I can't pick up on something I leave it blank.
 * I am looking at the user's page and history, it appears the user has a history of rushing to pages about the dearly departed to have them in the news section. I am looking at the M. Emmet Walsh page and there is similar pattern of having several citation for one sentence, but I don't know if that user used random citations to put forward forgotten projects. Filmman3000 (talk) 03:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Filmman3000: If you believe it is a consistent issue with a user, consider addressing it directly with them per Dispute resolution, ideally with some diffs of the edits in question. If that doesn't lead anywhere, perhaps tagging such pages and commenting at WP:ITNC would provide them an incentive to improve, resulting in more timely postings of nominated items.—Bagumba (talk) 06:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes I will address the user directly at one point Filmman3000 (talk) 04:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Sponsor names
What you are saying over there makes a lot of sense to me, and you are articulating it better than I could have. Since it started at WikiProject Baseball, but the topic is really larger in scope than that, what's the procedure for starting a request for input on defining some sort of policy regarding this? I know you noticed the topic I started at WT:SPORTS, so should I start a new, more formal request for discussion there? I've never attempted anything like this, so I'm looking for guidance from more experienced people. Thanks.Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Fred Zepelin: I've never campaigned for a new guideline, though I may have boldly tweaked a few or started a talk discussion. Often, some are against guidelines being too prescriptive, and this would be a very niche area. This is not always followed, but WP:PROPOSAL says:   You might just want to see if an agreement can be reached in baseball that you're satisfied with.  Then you can boldly expand it to other projects incrementally, and iteratively discuss if objections come up.  That might be more collaborative, and avoid people resisting simply because they feel its been shoved down their throat. That said, there is no single recipe for this.  Good luck, and feel free to contact me any time. —Bagumba (talk) 03:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I do feel like keeping it just to baseball articles is a weird line to draw - like, the article where the other editor objected was the Japan Series, and he moved a discussion to the baseball talk page. I would've done it at Sports, where I started the other topic you replied to. I'll try reading some more policy pages to figure it out. Thanks for the help. Fred Zepelin (talk) 03:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Fred Zepelin: Sometimes too many cooks in the kitchen can spoil the stew too. But it can help to expand the audience sometimes.  Best. —Bagumba (talk) 04:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

User creating the same article over and over again
Hi. This user has created Rangimarie Dougall-Mita multiple times since 2023, with the page either being deleted or moved to draft space (most recent one here). Each time they have created the article, it has been of the same quality: one line lead with an infobox and no sources. Talk page notices don't appear to be having any effect. Is there a way to stop a specific page from being created? Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * WP:SALTing the title is an option, but it's somewhat excessive if its just an issue with one account. There also a partial block, blocking an account from all edits on a page(s).  Being that it's been a year since the last one, I'd say wait and assume they get the message this time.  Let me know if that isnt the case. —Bagumba (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

New Max Arosev sock
That Eoek account is a new sock of Max Arosev. They made some minor edits, but their significant edits are the same as the ones added by the last sock, Xkpsy. JimKaatFan (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @JimKaatFan: It might help to expedite the SPI if you could add some smoking-gun diffs there, showing this editor is acting the same as past socks. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 20:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Will give it a shot. JimKaatFan (talk) 20:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Added some diffs. Can you look, offer criticism/advice? JimKaatFan (talk) 22:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @JimKaatFan: Looks like enough for someone not familiar with the editor to consider. Always good to have WP:DUCK to fall back on if CU turns up nothing. I'll leave the rest to the SPI regulars. —Bagumba (talk) 00:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

International and G-League awards in NBA player infoboxes
Hi Bagumba, has there been any sort of consensus or discussion regarding international and/or G-League awards in NBA player infoboxes? I searched keywords like "international" and "G-League" into the WT:NBA archives and was unable to find anything, and WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS is similarly silent on these matters. If they haven't been discussed before, I'll probably start new threads at WT:NBA at some point to workshop a consensus. Any other advice about this would be welcomed, thanks. Left guide (talk) 07:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Left guide: Nothing specifically that I can recall. For intl, WT:BASKETBALL is the more appropriate venue.  In all cases, I think people often assume (right or wrong) that what's notable for the NBA must be the case for other leagues too.  I have my doubts about whatever the G League is doing recently for their "all-star game". —Bagumba (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. Ironically, I had the same thoughts you did about int'l players who came to the NBA, but unfortunately as evidenced by WP:HOOPS, there's not even a player manual of style formulated by that project. I like the general idea of what's there at WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS to use as a reference point and build from that. Left guide (talk) 08:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Left guide: I don't edit much with intl leagues, but my biggest peave is dumbing down (probably by one specific editor) to something like "French League champion" instead of using the actual league's name. For example, Boris Diaw, where LNB Pro A Best Young Player is also piped to "French League Rising Star". Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 08:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, I had no idea that type of thing occurs, those look like WP:OR (particularly the "Rising Star" one) and in some ways reeks of Americentrism, in my opinion anyways. Probably an opportunity to chip away at systemic bias, even if only a little. That'd be like if Nowitzki's infobox said "USA League champion" with a pipe link to the 2011 NBA Finals. I admittedly don't know much about other international leagues other than they're all essentially "lower" than the NBA in terms of overall talent. Anyways, I think that's enough for now, thanks for the chat. Left guide (talk) 09:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Don Johnson (basketball)
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Administrators' newsletter – June 2024
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you unprotect Hedo Turkoglu please?
The protecting admin (who has been inactive for five years with only 50 edits since 2012 and de-sysopped for inactivity in 2020) applied indefinite semi-protection back in 2010 for what appears to have been a fleeting WP:SPORTSTRANS dispute based on the summary, which seems excessive. Left guide (talk) 10:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Left guide: Done. —Bagumba (talk) 10:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There's also Matt Barnes and Boris Diaw if you're up for it, similar situations from the same admin. Left guide (talk) 21:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Left guide: Done. —Bagumba (talk) 03:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Dan Hurley needs protection
Until the Lakers saga comes to resolution. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Someone else got to it. —Bagumba (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you protect it again? It expired Rikster2 (talk) 18:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Zach Edey
I had put the updated states and information on Zach Edey's page back in April.. I realize some of it should have been cited in hindsight but most of it is just basic ncaa statistics and game logs that are readily available to the public and free to share without citation. Seanmorton1997 (talk) 02:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Seanmorton1997: Hi there. Close paraphrasing is still plagiarism, even if you had cited it. I advise you to re-read the pointers on your talk page. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 05:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

List of NBA champions
Can you please bump up the protection to semi? It's on pending changes, but basically every edit by IPs this month has gotten reverted, including nonsense like this. Left guide (talk) 03:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you also consider blocking the IP? They're back at Western Conference (NBA), and if I revert them there, I bet they'll attack another article. Not really in the mood for this silly cat-and mouse game, and I doubt the WP:AIV regulars know enough about sports to recognize it as purely disruptive/vandalism. Left guide (talk) 03:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Left guide: Done. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Independent assessment of article
Hey. Is there a way to request an independent assessment of an existing article? For example, an article that is a niche topic and has a small number of contributors? Thanks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 09:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @DaHuzyBru: Are you referring to Content assessment i.e. B, C, Start, etc? Ask a WikiProject related to the page, or try .  That said, WP:ASSESS also says: Generally speaking, all editors, including editors who have written or improved an article, are encouraged to boldly set any quality rating that they believe is appropriate ... —Bagumba (talk) 05:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Damn, sorry, I thought that phrasing might lead to a misunderstanding. I actually mean whether there is an avenue for requesting an independent editor/admin to help with copyediting an article. I'm not helping the situation at Franklin Bulls with my involvement, so it would be great if someone organically was able to review the page to help me out. Last year when I raised concerns with the content of the page, I tried to cover all bases by posting at WikiProject Basketball, article talk page and user talk page. It was not well received by the user at the time and their successor carries that resentment. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're seeking an avenue for requesting an independent editor to help with copyediting an article, then WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests may be of value, though it looks like the size of the queue there might cause the wait time to be about two months for a request to be fulfilled. Meanwhile, I can pitch in with some copy edits at the Franklin Bulls article. Left guide (talk) 07:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the info and your contributions. It would be good to have others add maintenance tags where appropriate as well – there are a couple of unsourced or poorly sourced sections. My previous attempts adding header tags or "citation needed" tags has led to undesirable reactions. DaHuzyBru (talk) 09:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Left guide I see that user just reverted your subsection name change. I knew they would do that. Is there a WP policy that stipulates section name guidelines? DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @DaHuzyBru: There is MOS:HEADINGS. This is an example of a straight-forward specific question that could be a thread of what the section title should be, listing the options, and discussing the merits of each, with a poll if necessary. —Bagumba (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @DaHuzyBru: Another possbility might be to ask WikiProject Auckland or WikiProject New Zealand for input, on the chance someone there might have knowledge or interest. I can appreciate you not being presumptuous that you are in the right. At the same time, you might be also be one of the few experts in this area too, so the possibility exists that if you don't take the initiative, nobody else will either. No pressure, this is all voluntary, but I'm trying to be realistic for this niche topic. Going back to WP:ONUS, if one person believes something should be included, and another disagrees, and nobody else has an opinion, there is no consensus for its inclusion.  Perhaps the article needs to be addressed piecemeal on the talk page, with multiple threads on very specific content, asking "include, or don't include" for each. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 16:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. I agree regarding "if you don't take the initiative, nobody else will", I just don't want to get blocked for edit warring. I have been bold and removed bulk content from the page before. To the user, it's me "removing factual information" and "getting others involved to shut them down". They don't understand the purpose of citing policies – to them it's "buzz words". It's a clear case of WP:NOTHERE.
 * How would I go about initiating the addressing of specific content? Starting a new thread on the talk page about a specific section would have merit but only if I could convince others to make comment on the validity of my points, otherwise it's just back and forth between me and them, which usually ends up unconstructive and combative. Last year, I pointed out where the content was lacking and asked them to consider cleaning it up themselves. The user has demonstrated their distain for me and does not appreciate my comments on their content.
 * For example, I believe the "Hosting the Breakers" section is trivial and has no relevance to the team itself – their home stadium hosted a one-off Australian NBL game, big deal. It's been written by a fan that is closely connected to the team and the region that feels pride in that fact. DaHuzyBru (talk) 02:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @DaHuzyBru: You can have a discussion on whether "Hosting" meets WP:PROPORTION or not w.r.t. sources. The WP:ONUS is on the person adding content to establish consensus for its inclusion.  If it's just "back and forth" between two editors, it's possible there is no consensus, depending on the strength of arguments.  If it's only 2 people, using Third opinion is also an option.  If you happen to reach a deadlock on a specific thread, feel free to notify me and I can take a look and potentially moderate.  Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Team Whistle


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Extended-confirmed protection for Klay Thompson?
It's semi-protected but there are several newer auto-confirmed users prematurely changing his team (I counted four different users in a two-hour span) who have all been reverted, just a heads-up. Left guide (talk) 22:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Done. —Bagumba (talk) 11:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Question
Is there a Wikipedia policy for Biographies of deceased people like how y'all have a Wikipedia policy for Biographies of living people? ReallyAmazingDude13 (talk) 15:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @ReallyAmazingDude13: Hi there. There is .—Bagumba (talk) 21:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)