User talk:Bahamut0013/Archive 7

Category request
I created the new category for media and started making changes to the articles with the fiction categories. Then it occurred to me that an alternative to moving everything from fiction and nonfiction to the media category is to have all three categories. The media category would be a parent category of the other two. Clearly fictional books and films would remain in the fiction category; same for non-fiction. But where the distinction is not clear, it would go in the parent category. What do you think of this idea? &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 08:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Is everything as you would like with the categories? I see you put a redirect.  Do you want them deleted as empty? &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Categories deleted. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

February Portal
Still catches me by surprise - the switchover at the beginning of the month. Iwo Jima theme is up. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No digital of the Ball pictures? Do you retain the copyright?  .... Always great to get a note and/or see you editing.... know you are safe. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 04:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

You maybe interested in the Article Rescue Squadron


I noticed that you are part of Category:Wikipedians against notability.

I would like to invite you to join the Article Rescue Squadron. Although Rescue Squadron members do not share any official position on notability, and are simply focused on rescuing articles for deletion, you may find our project matches your vision of Wikipedia.

Caveat: I am writing this as a wikipedian, not as a representative of Article Rescue Squadron. Ikip (talk) 19:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

USMC pictures
Hey, why did you delete pictures from the USMC article? I think there still are not enough pictures, theres only lot of text...for example, you won't find any pictures of the woodland MARPAT in the whole article...There really should be more pictures, and I don't see any reasons for deleting them. --Novis-M (talk) 21:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I understand, but I still think there should be more pictures. When visitors of wikipedia just scroll down the page and look only at the pictures, they should see the "spirit" of the article. --Novis-M (talk) 21:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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2/9
I saw what you did to my 2/9 article! Man, is it nice to always see you around, my brother. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it didn't bother me at all on the contrary, I always look forward to your contributions because you have the talent of making good articles look even better. You have always been a good friend and I am just glad to see you around my brother. Tony the Marine (talk) 19:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Graphics Work
HOLY COW! I couldn't find a 'graphics barnstar' so please accept lots of barnstars for the lots of work you’ve done converting and replacing lots of images to SVG files. Ndunruh (talk) 13:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey brother, thank you for the new ribbons rack. I posted on my user page as you suggested and it looks great. Did you know that my Hispanics in the United States Marine Corps made "GA"? Not bad, right? Tony the Marine (talk) 16:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Undid revision 272750570 by Marque1313 (talk) can you Cite that??, List of U.S. Marine Corps acronyms and expressions - BCG's
I was in the Marine Corps from September 1992-September 1998, stationed in Oki, Cherry Pt., Lejuene and others and heard the expression many times (BCG glasses-bitch catchers). Not to be out of line but why do YOU need proof and why did you delete it if I may ask? I do not have a history of making nonsense edits and it was not objectionable. I thought Wikipedia was a place where everyone shared information, not where we had to prove something that we have experienced to someone and then it may be approved (?). Keep it deleted if you wish, I just find the deletion kind of ridiculous to be honest.

Merge discussion at Talk:Tom Tucker (Family Guy)
I've opened a merge discussion at the above-mentioned location. Please consider participating if you are interested. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

List of Commandants of the Marine Corps
In the List of Commandants there are a number of sortable columns. I admit that I have no knowledge of how this works. Are you savvy on how to do some more common sense things with the sorting?
 * 1) Names of Commandants:  Leave the names as they are displayed -- First Last, but sort on Last name.
 * 2) Rank:  Now unsortable; is it possible to sort by rank, with secondary sort key by date of service
 * 3) Dates: Now sorting on the day rather than the actual date, in both columns; Do you know how to do a proper chronological sort?

BTW, check out the top item in the Portal News.

&mdash; ERcheck (talk) 13:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If you figure it out, I think that the ranks need a secondary sort key (the # in column 1), since currently it doesn't sort well. It might make sense to remove sort on rank, since over time the ranks increased.  Actually, it seems that the only items that it makes sense to sort on are the #s and the names.  But, there is a problem when sorting on # for the entry with Archibald Henderson as acting.  It has no number, so it doesn't sort well.  Solution might be to have a hidden sort key that has a decimal in it to keep it in order.  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 03:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I got it. The Sorting help certainly leaves a lot of room for documentation improvement. I finally tried SURNAME  in front of the names - seems to work. Did similar for Henderson's acting term. See if you can break it ;-)  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 14:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Done - CMC, ACMC, SMCMC. Had to do something a little funky for the sort on rank sorting for General - since O10 would sort to less than O9. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 17:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) You indicated use of leading zeros. How about when you have a O-9/O-10, what numbers would sort that to be higher than O9, etc. 0910 vs 09? would 0910 sort ahead to 10?
 * "I noticed that on the CMC page... putting a zero in front of the single digits will work... 08, 09, etc. instead of 8, 9. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 06:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)"

&mdash; ERcheck (talk) 13:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Forgive my tardiness, I've been a bit distracted recently. I do want to express my appreciation for the barnstar; it's so spinny and twirlly, mesmerizing me with its twirlerily spinniness...spinny twirlliness... just spinning and twirlering...(voice trailing off)...what was I saying ...Oh yeah, thanks much! Ndunruh (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

USMC Commandant and Assistant Commandant Images
Yeah this is the same guy. I just thought a larger picture of the current Commandants might be appropriate. Sorry anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cor1314 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Vernon E. Megee
See Vernon_E._Megee. Compare to the photo of his chest. There seem to be some difference &mdash; Marine Corps Good Conduct Ribbon (where is it), United Nations Korea Medal in a different order, etc. Could you sort this out? &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 01:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it would be good to match his chest, which should be consistent with precendent for his day. Notices that I changed out the DSM - you had Navy Distinguished Service Medal - his bio says Air Force Distinguished Service Medal and the "color" of the ribbon is consistent with USAF as well. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 05:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Marine Force Recon
Hey, hows it going? When you have time, can you try to improve this article? Its MARSOC - from all USSOCOM branch commands, this one is the worst one, with confusing or no information. Even other informations about Marine Spec Ops are confusing. Thanks --Novis-M (talk) 02:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

RekonDog says "Thanks!"
Hey there devildog! Thanks for the barnstar...my first! Stay hard Marine!RekonDog (talk) 04:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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3RR on 8-bit theater
Hi there. I reviewed the contributions of the IPeditor on the 8-bit theater articles (2). Disruption and violation of 3RR found &mdash; short-term block given.

When you see an IPeditor edit warring, you can add the uw-3rr, uw-3rr2,uw-3rr3, etc. warnings. For getting immediate attention, the WP:ANEW (Administrators' Noticeboard for Edit Warring) is the place for reporting. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 23:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Template edits
I hope you know that I spent at least two hours fixing that template. I understand that it may be too big when expanded. I'd like to point out that you also didn't use the "correct" military navbox setup. I understand because few people actually know how to do so. Since you called my revamping too big, look at the Strategic Air Command template, and decide for yourself. I think that the community here is alright with giant looking templates as long as they are comprehensive, which they both are. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Homophobia
I am aware that not every member of the United States military is a homophobe but the code of conduct that governs them clearly is. "Don't ask, don't tell" is a homophobic policy. As for my other edits, Jerry Falwell blamed gays, atheists and feminists for 9/11. Ronald Reagen made a number of homophobic statements back in the 60s and 70s. Pat Robertson described Scotland as a "dark land overrun by homosexuals." Ian Paisley is well known as a homophobe here in Ireland as well as being deeply anti-catholic. He organised a campaign to "Save Ulster from sodomy" in order to stop laws that legalised homosexuality in the UK extending to Northern Ireland. Members of his party have also made blatantly homophobic statements. As for Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust, it would be Holocaust denial to suggest that they do not fall under the categories of Homophobia and Discrimination and I doubt that anyone who has studied the Holocaust in depth would disagree with me. Thanks. TheGeniusPrince 18:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGeniusPrince (talk • contribs)

The only people who have disagreed with me on these homophobia edits including yourself are part of the organisations I have categorised. I think it's clear that you don't represent a neutral point of view either. TheGeniusPrince 01:49, 17 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGeniusPrince (talk • contribs)

If I were a heterosexual, there would be no way I would be accused of vandalism or non-neutrality. TheGeniusPrince (talk) 19:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Lead Images
In reference to your change made to the "Lead images, which should usually be no larger than 300 pixels" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dogs_in_warfare&diff=255225188&oldid=255210503 which means it can be up to 300px. -Signaleer (talk) 16:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
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New stub images
Absolutely great! Too many uses of File:USMC logo.svg on the page (used in the pd notice and the portal) give it a crowded look.

I note that you uploaded a small image &mdash; in keeping with the size used in the stub message. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 16:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Question 1: Is there any advantage (bandwidth, loading) to having these the size used versus sizing down a full resolution image?  I would think there would be.
 * Question 2: If yes to above question, do you think it would be a good idea to have a small version of File:USMC logo.svg for the portal link and the pd message?  It would be a lot of work to switch out the portal ones, since they are rendered by  instead of a customized template as in Marine Corps for pd.
 * Request: If it makes sense to make a template for the portal (I'd like one with a short name) and using a smaller image, would you take on the task?


 * How about template that is the same as  .  Could be used for all new uses.  Reasoning: Everytime I create a new article, I have to find the usage on the Portal page and copy it.  For convenience, it would be nice. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 17:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Template: I know how to use them, but not how to build them. How about "USMCportallink"?  Would you please make that?  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 20:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That will make life much simpler. (It's the documentation, categorizing, talk page tagging, and other stuff... I've just not done it.)  &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 12:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:An article for you
Thank you for the article. I wanted to wait some time before reading it because believe it or not I get a little emotional when I read about the death of our young people in the military especially if they are Marines. Two if the articles which I wrote that really got to me while I was writing them were that of Humberto Acosta-Rosario and Captain Humbert Roque Versace. God bless you. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Heywood
Thanks for uncovering that and fixing it. Might be worth looking at the anonIP's contributions tosee if any other "errors" were introducted. I looked back at page history, wondering if I'd let that slip...but hadn't edited it since 2006 - and only once to provide a reference. It wasn't on my watchlist. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 14:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That medal does look remarkably like an early MoH. Interest that his offical bio does not list any decorations. As far as looking at your current work, likely it will be in a few weeks, as I will have little or no computer access next week. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 18:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Interesting essay
I was just reading the MZMcBride ArbCom proposed decision, which links to your essay User:Bahamut0013/Secret pages. That's an interesting essay, thanks for putting it together. Cool Hand Luke 21:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

April's Fool
You really got me this time (smile). I went to ER's talk page to leave him a message and I fell for your trap. It was a good one. Take care and Happy April Fools Day. Tony the Marine (talk) 06:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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MILITARY AWARDS CORRECTION
Your statement in regard to the Combat Action Ribbon needs to be updated. Public Law 106-65 now also allows the Secretary of the Navy to award the CAR to veterans retroactively for World War II (7 December 1941-14 April 1946) and the Korean War (27 June 1950-July, 1954). The individuals must be below the rank of colonel and engaged in combat and their performance be satisfactory. The U.S. Marines that I added the CAR to rated both the ribbon as well as a subsequent gold star. The reason that they aren't wearing it in their official photographs and not listed in their official biographies is because the award wasn't authorized for the conflicts that they were involved in and that the History and Museums Division of the U.S. Marine Corps are still correcting and updating many of these official biographies. When Public Law 106-65 was passed, these Marines met the same criteria as the Marines do today. They were below the rank of colonel and were in combat. I served eight (8) years in the U.S. Marine Corps and Marine Corps Reserve and currently serve in the Florida Guard as a Lt. Colonel. How are things in Marine Wing Headquarters Squadron-2? That was one of the units I served in while on active duty as S-2 Intelligence Chief. My E-Mail is military historywriter@yahoo.com. Semper Fidelis-Lt. Colonel Robert A. Lynn, Florida GuardMilitaryhistorywriter (talk) 06:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Mick map
Okay, I put the IPA in. I'm assuming that the first syllable is stressed (that's what that little superscript line before the syllable means. If it's actually the second syllable, then just move the little line to between the k and second m.  — Æµ§œš¹  [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]  15:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Info you seek
Hope all is well with you in your current deployment. You asked for some information - but, as you guessed, I'm not privy to that info. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 05:32, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I can't help in your search, I'm kind of shy and generally don't ask that kind of information. I will respond further by e-mail. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  02:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Mameluke sword
Bahamut, I always admire your edits and improvements to USMC topics, but wanted to caution you about overstating the link between O'Bannon's Mameluke sword (which cannot be located today) and the current Marine officers' Mameluke sword. While Marine tradition holds that there is a firm link between these two swords, there really isn't sufficient proof to support that claim. As a result, we don't really know whether Commandant Henderson was influenced by O'Bannon's sword when he ordered Marine officers to begin wearing Mameluke swords in 1826, nearly a quarter-century after Derna. Today's Marine officers' Mameluke swords do closely resemble those first worn in 1826, but that's as much as we can say with complete assurance about this fine tradition. Best regards, Jack Bethune (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

FORECON Insignia
[In response to:] ''Hey, it's been a while since we last spoke and I thought I'd bother you with an irrelevant question! :D'' ''In the Recon logo, there is what looks like a flame above the parachute with some sort of band wrapped around the base. Can you tell me what this is and what it means? It's been bugging me for a while.''


 * That "flame and banner wings" above the 'naval parachute crest' is the symbol of the old pathfinder insignia that used to exist in the Marine Corps's earlier days of aircraft aviation, during which helicopters and other aircraft depend on greatly as a guidance; before the days of sensor and beacon missions. These newer sensors out-phased Pathfinding operations.  The flame represents when in the medieval days (from what I was told in the past) when troops would light torches to use as guidance for the commander to know where his troops treaded at night.  The banner wings are in reference to Mercury, whose was a messenger to Zeus [or whoever].  Pathfinders are in retrospect, the messengers for aircraft pilots from the ground-to-air - before radios were commonly implemented.  Torches even continued during WWII by pathfinders, when no other means were available, i.e. the reflective panels or skirtings strung in trees.  Easy to spark a fire anywhere in the bush, finding resources for banners and panels, however, are quite difficult.RekonDog (talk) 19:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Consensus
Thank you for participating the discussion involving the Flag icon of Puerto Rico. Now, I ask you to please participate in the following consensus. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 04:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Easy is not always the best solution
I'm not trying to call you out, but the way your doing the ribbons are wrong. You should try to make them look just like you would wear them as much as possible. I'm not sure how it's done in the MC, but in the AF ribbons are rarely worn in rows of for if you have less then 19. If you need to do a ribbon rack with two ribbons on top, I suggest you use the one under the Harmon Rabb page like I did. Thanks again. --Dandvsp (talk) 00:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't had any new contributions because the base that I'm at (Langley AFB) was having a air show last week. Nothing you said had dissuade me from editing at all. It's hard to offend me. I'm in the military just like you and I'm also a Security Forces member (MP), I get told off 100 time worst by the people that I give tickets to. Also I reflected on what you said and your right, I'm not a Marine. I would hate it if a Marine would try to "correct" me on how Airmen would wear ribbons also. My only suggestion is why can't Major General Marion Eugene Carl 12 ribbons be in rows of 3 if General James Cartwright is wearing 12 ribbons be in rows of 3 also in his Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff official picture. But as both being Marines I wont over step my bounds as a Airman.

--Dandvsp (talk) 21:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I use to help EHDI5YS on the research for the ribbon he use to upload, before he got blocked indefinitely form Wikipedia for a heated conversation.

--Dandvsp (talk) 14:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Bea Arthur Part2

 * Attention my fellow comrades. User:Chrisrus, has provided us with the site: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2PUgDa1jy4) in which Arthur is supposed to have stated (I say "supposed" only because my internet connection is so slow that I haven't looked at it) that she was never a member of the United States Marine Corps. We "must" look into this because if it true then her name must be removed from the List of U.S. Marines. Please take a look and make recommendations. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Renaming (moving)
In your message to my talk page you state the following: "change all instances of "U.S. Marine Corps" to "United States Marine Corps" for article titles". I agree with you 100% and will back you up in your moves. Start by placing a notice on the "talk page" of the list, I'll be there. That is the way I title my articles (See: Hispanics in the United States Marine Corps). Which reminds me of a time when a friend, a former Marine himself, once told me referring to himself: "I am a former Marine" to which I corrected him and replied "No, what you must proudly state is that you are a former United States Marine." Anyway, I have some great news that I have share with you later in the day. It has to do with the newspaper article about the remains of the NY United States Marine whose remains were found that you sent me. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If there is a redirect page already, just let me know which one and I'll delete it, thereby providing you with the option to move the article to said page. You just let me know and we'll coordinate the delete and move. Just in case, mention the fact that we both believe that it would be proper to rename the article by adding "United States" instead of U.S. first in the articles talk page.  Tony the Marine (talk) 05:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

News
Now I'll the about the news in regard to PFC. Jose Ramon Sanchez, the newspaper article which you forwarded to me. After a week or so, I finally got the nerve to read the article. In Puerto Rico there is a monument similar to the Vietnam Wall which honors the memory and has the names of every Puerto Rican who has fought and died for the United States since World War I inscribed. A couple of years ago I convinced the Government of Puerto Rico to also include the names of those of Puerto Rican descent to be included. The government agreed and they have posted the names of many of our soldiers who I have recommended after they have made the appropriate investigations into the persons heritage. Among those whose names have been inscribed are Capt. Humbert Roque Versace and Sgt. Angel Mendez.

I asked the government to send me a copy of all the names inscribed on the monument and if Sanchez's name was inscribed. I received the list and was told that Sanchez's name was not on it. I then got in touch with Larry Mcshane, the Daily News Reporter and he provided me with the Peter Sanchez's (the brother) phone number. After I spoke to Peter, I told him of my intentions and confirmed that Jose was in fact of Puerto Rican descent. I then made a research into everything related to the case and sent it to various government officials which I have direct access to (Believe it or not they consider me as one of their greatest military historians, isn't that funny?) and sent them everything that I had on Sanchez. I then wrote articles about the amazing story for two cultural magazines which I write for and which will be published this May.

The Puerto Rican Government e-mailed me with the news that they will honor PFC. Jose Ramon Sanchez's memory and will invite his brother to the unveiling of the name in the coming ceremonies. All of this I have you to thank for. I wouldn't have known about the Sanchez situation and his memory would not have been honored in Puerto Rico if not for you, Semper Fi brother. Tony the Marine (talk) 06:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC) (P.S. If you send me your e-mail address I'll forward a copy of the article which I wrote.)

LCpl Chance Phelps
IRT some discussion you and I had about LCpl Phelps' Awards and Decorations, and as a recap:

''"I've removed the Good Conduct Medal. As I noted below, it is possible, but not probable that he was awarded the Good Conduct Medal. Without some sort of source (a service record or something like that we can use as a reference, we can't claim he has one in this article. For the ICM/GWOTE... you are correct that nobody can have both for the same deployment. However, neither is "superior" or "inferior" to the other. The GWOTE would have been automatically awarded to Phelps, and Taking Chance mentions that he was buried with it. To convert the GWOTE into the ICM, his family would have had to request that to the Marine Corps. There is no evidence that such a request to convert the awards was made, so we'll go with the more likely award. Lastly, its better to have a variety of sources. If every reference is to the same website, other editors could make the case that Phelps is not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Hope this helps. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 05:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)"''

I have received a letter from LCpl Phelps' mother, which she received from Head, Service Awards Section, Military Awards Branch, Manpower Management Division on LCpl Phelps awards and decorations. It lists his awards as follows:

Bronze Star with Combat "V"

Purple Heart

Combat Action Ribbon

Good Conduct Medal

National Defense Serivce Medal

Iraq Campaign Medal with Bronze Star

Global War on Terrorism Medal

Sea Service Deployment Ribbon

The letter also states that a copy his service record, for reference, is on files with the Personnel Management Support Branch (MMSB-12), 2008 Elliot Road, Quantico, Virginia 22134. What are we to do so that you do not change these back to the incorrect awards on his Wiki page?

Rorndoff (talk) 18:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * We'll use the Run4Chance site as the reference for LCpl Phelps awards. I have notified the site administrators of the incorrect labeling of the display, once that's fixed, I will change LCpl Phelps wiki page.
 * I understand and agree with the wiki policy you reference, but, from my perspective, I detect pride in your efforts in order to make the process of correcting this young man's awards difficult. This is based on your disingenuouse responses and changing stance on the issues at hand.
 * About his Good Conduct Medal, nowhere did you previously state that LCpl was probably awarded the the GCM as you eluded to in your last correspondance: "I will note again that I think it is most likely he does have the good conduct medal." In fact, you put up great resistance to the idea, and what you actually said was:
 * "As I noted below, it is possible, but not probable that he was awarded the Good Conduct Medal."
 * And
 * "If no such documentation exists, then I would suppose that nobody bothered to issue the award."
 * It is SOP, and judging by the letter I received and the reference which will be cited, this is in fact the case.
 * Additionally, you said about LCpl Phelps conversion of his GWOTEM to the ICM:
 * "I'm also curious, why did the family even request to have the GWOTE converted into an ICM? Seems a bit odd to me, but I can't say that I'm even close to being able to guess the "why" behind that."
 * That's a bite unmannerly, so I'll be frank: That's none of your concern.
 * Rorndoff (talk) 04:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)