User talk:Bailey carlson

Using U.S. Embassy Cables as citations
Hey there Bailey Carlson. Welcome to Wikipedia and good on you for your contribution to that article. Unfortunately people are going to want to remove the things you added that are only based from the cables as they consider them "primary sources". Can you find newspapers/articles/journals that talk about them? If so, it would then be possible to add those references in place of the cable link and that way, what you wrote could remain on the article (yes I do realize that the cables are real and what not but we have to go by what is written on WP:PRIMARY, WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:NOR. Kind regards. :)Calaka (talk) 06:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey thanks, I can find many news articles to cite, however they are not always as specific as the cables. My impression was I could use the articles as a citation for the validity of the overall subject and use the cables as more specific context that is missing from the articles. Is this not appropriate? Often there is a page for a specific subject that may not be the topic of the article but is certainly related as highlighted in the primary material. Bailey carlson (talk) 07:38, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey there, you have a fair point. I read up on the Miami herald article and it covers a lot of what you wrote so it should be allowed to stay. Also I see what you mean by using secondary sources and then using the cables as seems to have been done here: Spying_on_United_Nations_leaders_by_United_States_diplomats. If you can find a few other secondary sources though, add them in on that section that you wrote in addition to the Miami herald, as it will make it harder for others to justify the removal. Hope this helps!Calaka (talk) 12:36, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll continue working on these as I come across more sources.Bailey carlson (talk) 21:16, 7 November 2011 (UTC)