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2nd AfD nomination of Michael Q. Schmidt
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FYI, the statement "Avoid using award-winning and similar phrases in the opening sentence" at MOS:FILM refers to articles about films, not individuals. Referring to a performer as "award-winning" in the opening is acceptable. Thank you. LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 15:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, yes but no, it isn't that simple. MOS:FILM isn't the governing project of actor articles, it is WP:ACTOR, so that is the project to cite. It isn't acceptable to refer to someone as generically "award-winning" without qualification per WP:PEACOCK. However, it's been generally accepted that the lead sentence of a biography should be simply descriptive in nature, as noted at MOS:BEGIN. The sentence should tell who the person is and why they are notable. Saying someone is an "Academy Award-winning" or "Academy Award-nominated" doesn't satisfy either of those conditions. While it is true, it doesn't tell us who the person is, and they would not be considered notable because they won or were nominated, but what accolades they accumulated after becoming notable. The award doesn't make the person notable, the award is won for doing what one does that already makes him or her notable. It's a fine-line technicality, but it's an important one. It is also often considered POV, especially when one has undoubtedly been nominated or, or won, multiple awards. The POV occurs when the awards/nominations are chosen from a perception of importance of the award. However, WP:ACTOR has the removal in its list of things to do, stating "Remove lead sentence mention of "______ Award-winning" and/or "______ Award-nominated". This can and should be included in lead sections, but not in lead sentences. Please change leads to include mention of major awards, but do so in context." Note that it doesn't suggest just purging the mention of awards if they aren't already present in the lead. In short, removing the wording is suggested, recommended and supported by WP:ACTOR.


 * I also wanted to point out to you that the to-do list has some other housekeeping tasks that the project has been working to complete that are easily incorporated into going through lists of actor articles when removing the award-winning mention. Those are:
 * Remove deprecated fields from infoboxes; these include lists of awards, notable roles, height, resting place and co-ordinates, children and in the case of some deceased subjects, the "silver" background default field.
 * Remove awards succession boxes from the bottom of the articles.
 * You certainly aren't obligated to do so, but I though since you were working through lists of actors, you might care to watch for these also. Thanks for your interest and efforts so far in working on these maintenance tasks that take so much time. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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