User talk:Balkanian`s word/Archive 2

Albanian Declaration of Independence
Do you have plans to expand the many bio articles you added? Either way, can you please add to every single one of the articles to indicate that they are stubs? Thank You --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 13:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

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Flm shumë dhe përgëzime për punën! Do të bëj përpjekje të përfshihem në këtë projekt, por kam shumë pak kohë për Wikipedia tash. Getoar (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Afghanistan–Kosovo relations
Hi! A user has nominated Afghanistan–Kosovo relations for deletion. Please feel free to explain your opinions. Go and see Articles for deletion/Afghanistan–Kosovo relations. (Also there are 16 AfD nominations at the same page which includes Canada, Japan and several others). Thank you for your time! -- Turkish Flame   ☎  15:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Albanian film
Hi I was wondering if you could help fill out the articles in and the List of Albanian films. Probably there are sites in Albanian with info on Albanian film. Could you help develop this? CheersDr. Blofeld (talk) 18:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Albanian history templates
Hello! As you may have noticed, there are two templates regarding Albanian history currently in use: Template:History of Albania and Template:Histalbania. Since these two overlap significantly in content and refer to the same subject, one ought to be merged into the other. Preferably, the "History of Albania" name should be kept per naming guidelines as being more clear and easy to remember than "Histalbania", but on the shape (infobox-style or bottom boxes) and content, there is room for discussion. Personally, I prefer the bottom box format, since it is collapsible and does not intrude too much in the article proper, but, seeing as you are the major contributor to Albanian history articles around, I'd like your opinion before being bold and doing the merge. Regards, Constantine  ✍  19:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Photographs and copyrights
I see you've made this mistake twice on Commons: when you uploaded those pictures of Lef Nosi and Nikolle Kaçorri, you described them as "PD-Self".

"PD-Self" would mean that you were the photographer. Just because you put the photographs in your scanner, that doesn't mean you're the one who created the images. Going solely by when the photographers would have died, the photo of Dom Kaçorri is almost certainly PD because he died in 1917, and the photo of Nosi is probably PD because he died in 1946, but that might not be the only criterion to consider -- I don't know what post-communist Tirana's policy is on pre-communist images.

It's not impossible that one or both of those images will have to be deleted, although I'd put the odds at that happening at no more than 5%.

To avoid having this happen again, I strongly suggest that you take the time to properly understand our copyright policies before you upload any more scans of antique photos.

Oh, and while I have your attention - thank you for all your good work in creating articles. DS (talk) 14:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Your statement about Albanian copyright law is intriguing. Can you point me to a URL that would explain this in more detail? DS (talk) 15:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

On your comment
Duh, you missed the adjective sizable between never and Albanian population. I already said it's likely the town had some Albanians, but it is without doubt that the city has always been Greek. I see you have a very strong Albanian POV, please try to stick to some universally accepted naming conventions and attempt to maintain some neutrality: that Ali Pasha was an ethnic Albanian doesn't mean his pashalik was Albanian: it was merely a breakaway region of the Ottoman Empire with a mixed population of Greeks, Turks, Albanians, Bulgarians, Vlachs, etc. Claiming Ali Pasha's domain was Albanian is like claiming Osman Pazvantoğlu's domain centred at Vidin was Bosnian because Pazvantoğlu was a Bosniak himself. Ethnicity didn't play an important role, if any role at all, in those breakaway regions. Todor→Bozhinov 20:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

By the way
Could you please take a look at Meshterski, it might be interesting to you. The thing is, Albanian is one of the languages I have next to no clue about, so I'd be really grateful if you can check if the stuff in the last body sentence is close to being correct: it's a bit of a web dictionary online research, quite frankly.

In particular, what meanings does qelesh have (apart from the cool hat), does qind have any similar slang use in Albanian (=money), and could shqyrt (if that is the root) be the origin of skiv? Keq I think is pretty clear, –av being merely a masculine adjective ending in Bulgarian. Thanks in advance :) Todor→Bozhinov 19:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)for

Bollano
I don't forgot the discussion, i' ll give an answer in the next hour-i' m on a lecture now. Sorry for my delayAlexikoua (talk) 15:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I' ve made the correction. Happy new yearAlexikoua (talk) 13:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Ali pasha
Tung.I see that you like history (me too) and i also note that you speak greek.I have worked Ali Pasha's greek article and since you know greek i think that you can put some information (lineage,life,conquests etc) to both english or albanian wiki. Φιλικά Pavlos1988 (talk) 23:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

What happened
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My IP has been blocked by Future Perfect at Sunrise. This is my work-PC and the one I use 99% of the time. I don`t see why this IP has been blocked. Balkanian`s word (talk) 13:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The IP address is blocked as an open proxy. Please see here for more information. I've forwarded your request to WikiProject on open proxies to have them check if the IP address is still an open proxy. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. As far as I can see this IP has been blocked since 2007, but I have used this PC till yesterday. What`s happening?Balkanian`s word (talk) 13:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Cluebot said that this is not an open proxy. Why am I still blocked?Balkanian`s word (talk) 13:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've unblocked, sorry for the trouble. The old block was mainly to keep User:Dodona out, who was on this IP repeatedly; looking back I'm not entirely sure why I thought it was an open proxy at the time. Fortunately Dodona seems to have been quiet for a while. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Please Categorise articles
Many of the articles you wrote on Albanian politics did not have a category, and dropped to WP:Uncat where they were lost until I categorised them. Please categorise your articles so that they may be easily found by searchers, rather than lost in WP:Uncat. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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League of Lezha
Yes, I noticed yesterday. I do agree with your idea. The last map did not really show the actual League, but different members of it which may lead to confusion. Well done. By the way, watch out for the invading anti-Albanian POV hordes! :D--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the Venetian possessions are a bit exaggerated though. While they did control a large part of what is now Montenegro, they did not control as much as is suggested. Mind changing it?--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 23:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

chams
1) okay about the "may

2) I don't see why the villages in Florina belong the article. This article is about Chams, not Albanians in Greece in general.

3)What on earth do the current populations of Thesprotia and Igoumenitsa prefectures and their population density have to do with Chams? --Tsourkpk (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

On a different note...
Would you be interested in reviewing this map and telling me what features to add and/or correct in the Albanian corner? Like: place names, important mountains/rivers, important road connections (I'm preparing another version including roads). Thanks -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio
The text of your new article Muhamet Kyçyku (Çami) is almost entirely ripped from the Elsie book. That's a copyvio. Please don't do that. I'm going to delete that article. Have you used more such material elsewhere? Then please tell me now, as this will have to be cleaned up. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Thespotia etc
I'll have a look for any such maps for tomorrow. But I am not aware of those names in older maps. I think most Albanians identified by the name of their clan, not by the name of a region region - and they probably defended that region against intruders (other Albanians, Greeks, Turks, Gipsies, etc); that seems to be especially true in north Albania where the names of villages are also the names of the clans; for instance Berisha. There is a story how in Kosova during the 1999 conflict with Serbia, some young Kosovars from the south entusiastically went with their arms to offer their help to a village in the centre that had been attacked by Serb forces. The local Kosovar militia in that village received them like intruders and told them that either they leave immediately or they would be in deep trouble. Sorry for rambling. Politis (talk) 12:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Muhamet Kyçyku (Çami)
I have nominated Muhamet Kyçyku (Çami), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Muhamet Kyçyku (Çami). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Waterjuice (talk) 13:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello
I was wondering if you ever heard of User:Arditbido, his account seems alot like yours. Just joking. Waterjuice (talk) 15:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Map
Well, it's Hungarian, I try to find someone familliar with that language.Alexikoua (talk) 17:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Cham Albanians
I provided my assessment on the discussion page. Have a look, tell me what you think, and please don't be upset when I start implementing some serious tweaks in order to enhance the article's quality. Later buddy. Deucalionite (talk) 19:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I just conducted a massive overhaul of the article. I hope my edits are to your satisfaction. Bye. Deucalionite (talk) 20:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

HEY Friend !!!
Hello and good day from Scotland "Alba" I edited recently the Article Albania and would know what do you think of the new Albania article, please tell me how you find the article !!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by IslandShader (talk • contribs) 06:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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I THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART BROTHER AND I HOPE MEET ALWAYS PEOPLE LIKE ALBANIANS, SO WISE AND SWEET AND WITH BIG HEART AGAIN THANK YOU MY BROTHER IslandShader (talk) 07:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Maps
It seems that none of the maps I have seen in my archives (electronic and hard copy) mention Chameria. The most usual names are: Albania, Epirus, Illyria. The geography of Epirus never reaches north of Valona. Below you will find reference to some maps and the names they give to the region. You can google them if you like to see them.
 * •Illyris Greca, Epirus, Harenberg 1741
 * •Orestis Epiris, Macedonia [here the region reaches the Adriatic coast], MAP: Butler’s Ancient Atlas, 1863
 * •Thracia [the region streches from border of Austria to the Black Sea], Epeirus, MAP: Thierry Geography of Homer and Hesiod, 1837
 * •Ilyria, Epirus, 1849
 * •Chonra [village in] Epirus north of Sarande, MAP: Classical Thrace from A G Finlay /or Findlay/ Classical Atlas to Illustrate Ancient Geography, NY 1849
 * •Thespra In Cassi & Molossi, Cluver, MAP: Graeciae, 1661
 * •Haute Albanie, MAP: Nicolas De Fer, Grece Turquie en Europe, 1688
 * •Albania [southern Greek Macedonia’, cannot read Camne ?, MAP: Abraham Ortelius, Greece, 1500s
 * •[Region] Epirus, Chauria? [north of Corfu], MAP: Putzers 1928, Peloponnesischer Krieg
 * These maps are either made by west Europeans or based on Ancient Greek geographers. Remember that until the 1850s, very few westerners travelled inland in the Balkans, they went along the Venetian, Greek and Ottoman Turkish coastlines where there were ports. So there was no real need to define regions. There were one or two trade roots from Central Europe to Constantinople/Isanbul and Thessaloniki, but they had many problems. The Albanian inland and many of the Greek lands were very little visited because the Albanian, Greek, Vlach, etc tribes could be defensive and also because there was no demand for trade.Politis (talk)

Well, Thesprotia is a Greek 'nomos' or prefecture, so it appears on some Greek maps, and, presumably, on some EU map of European administrative units. As for the other names I am not aware of anything. Politis (talk) 14:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure, but next sentence says 'who came to identify politically and ethnically as Greeks'. Agree that some families (fares) were of clear Albanian heritage, but its fare fetched to claim that he is of unclear origin when his and certain Souliot families played major part on Greek political life. I believe that Markos Botsaris article states right (Greek of Arvanite orgin). What do u believe on that, how should this person characterized?Alexikoua (talk) 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Arvanites of Epirus or Chameria
Really confusing topic. How are usually orthodox Chams called on most sources? Making the equation cham orthodox=arvanites of epirus is geographically confusing, but I don't see a source stating this clear. Euromosaic says about arvanites of chameria in epirus. But as we agreed in the past, not all the Arvanites of Epirus are of Albanian ethnic consciousness, like families of

Arvanite origin (Grivas, Zervas etc.) living in Epirus. (I' ve read that they have links with the Shpata and Boua medieval clans.)

But it isn't on how we name them, I believe when a research agrees with that its ok, otherwise would be kind of original research.

Labs and Chams are of different origin, right? (dif. Albanian 'tribe') so how could we incorporate them into the term 'cham orthodox'? Alexikoua (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Still the term 'Arvanites of Epirus' is product of original research. I have still to mention that:

There could be a section like 'Arvanites of Albanian ethnic consciousness' or referring to helsiki's 'Arvanites of Epirus and Western Macedonia'
 * The two Lab villages could be included in the term 'Arvanites of Epirus' but not in 'Chams' (different heritage, tradition though same nationality).
 * According to helsinki there is the term 'Arvanites of Epirus and Western Macedonia' incorporating probably also 2 villages in Florina prefecture (w. Macedonia), see:
 * Orthodox and Muslims were the 2 major social groups in Ottoman society (every ottoman census was based only on religion) with different customs and habits and social behavior. So, we have not only a different geographical (Chameria-Epirus) but also cultural background.
 * I disagree on the point to name Cham every orthodox (Arvanite) of Albanian consciousness wheather from Chameria/Tsiamouria or not.

On Greek bibliography often when referring to the Ottoman times there is the following distinction to the population of Chameria/Tsiamouria: Muslims Chams (also Turko-chams according to Souliot sources) and Christians Chams. Dividing them not by nationality but by religion like Ottoman authorities. In fact some revolts (I believe almost all) in the region (like the one at 1854 against the powerful beys of Paramythia) were between the 2 religious groups.Alexikoua (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, ok about the ChamVLab appoach. But the term 'Arvanites in Epirus' incorporates also those in Epirus of non-Albanian consciousness, there should be a clear exception about that.

About the historic section, I feel its better to focus on society and migration in the region than to political leaders out of Chameria/Tsiamouria that occupied that region (like making a copy-paste job about Ali Pasha's politics and personality I believe its better to mention information about revolts and social structure of the region)Alexikoua (talk) 21:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Image File:Party for Justice and Integration logo.jpg
Please review the copyright status. If it's a party logo, it isn't yours, and you can't release it as self-made. You'll probably have to invoke "fair use" (but that means it should be used only once, on the main article for the organisation, not in other articles.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

And a warning
File:Cham march.jpg, which you also claimed as "entirely self-made", was a copyvio from flickr. '''Don't. ever. do. that. again.''' If you have mistakenly posted other images under such a claim, please come clear and say so now, then all is okay and we'll just delete them. But if I find such uploads from you again, you'll be blocked for a long time. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but the Cham March is my photo and is in flicker, because my friend, wanted to add it in his profile in there. My friend and I were together in the march, with my cam, and so the photo is mine, even if he has added in his profile in flickr.Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah? And I suppose File:VeshjePopullore11.jpg is also yours and just happened to be posted to Skyscrapecity by a friend of yours . And you were also there up in the mountains in 1944 as a communist government agent, taking this photo. You were also at the performance of the dancers of "Bashkimidance.com", taking photos of exactly the same dancers in the same scene as the ones that somebody else then posted on the dance company's website . Right? Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Given the problems with the other images, I think it is safer I wait for clearer confirmation. If the guy is your friend, I suggest you ask him to confirm the free license by an e-mail to our OTRS system (permissions-en (at) wikimedia.org, private information will be confidential), or even more easily, change the licensing status on the flickr page. The two others will be deleted, with a strong warning to be more careful in future. As for the 1944 image, we need the actual *source* (who took it and where was it published), otherwise there's no way of knowing whether the law you cite actually applies. For the party logo, please check WP:NFC to see how to declare non-free fair-use claims. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Hasan Tahsin(i)
I notice you had a discussion with an anon on Cham Albanians about the (non-)identity of the Cham Albanian Hasan Tahsini and the Turkish Hasan Tahsin. I don't know anything about either, but the anon clearly has a point: the same photograph is being used both on the Turkish guy's article and in your Cham Albanian collage. So, either the two are in fact the same person, or somebody got their picture wrong. Can you check?

By the way, I also had to tag your Cham Albanian gallery file. For such files, you need detailed source declarations for each component. Please do not file such images as "self-made". Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Please categorise articles
Again, please categorise your articles. I've had to add a category to over a dozen articles you've written on Albania. Please categorise them properly, so that a non-expert cleaning up after you doesn't mis-file them. MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC)