User talk:Ballog

AfD Nomination: Billy Byars Jr.
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but all Wikipedia articles must meet our criteria for inclusion (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Since it does not seem to me that Billy Byars Jr. meets these criteria, I have started a discussion about whether this article should be kept or deleted.

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Billy Byars Jr.
Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I remind you of Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy for editors. You must not add negative statements to a biography without sourcing them. One Night In Hackney 19:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The only person risking getting blocked here is you. There are already two reports about you on WP:ANI. JuJube 21:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Civility
Hello Ballog. I've noticed your conduct in the Articles for deletion/Billy Byars Jr.. Please discontinue your incivility and treat other editors with respect. Please take a look at WP:CIVIL, and WP:NPA for our policies on conduct. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 05:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. One Night In Hackney 20:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Clint Hartung
I've closed this AfD as a speedy keep. Professional Athletes meet WP:BIO and it would appear this is a WP:POINT nomination initiated due to the discussion at Articles for deletion/Billy Byars Jr..--Isotope23 20:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Last warning for WP:BLP
If you make any further edits like this one, this account will be blocked. Do not add poorly-sourced or unsourced potentially libelous material to Wikipedia articles about living people. Jkelly 21:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Billy Byars Jr.

 * [[Image:Stop hand.svg|left|30px]]This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you will be blocked for disruption.  JuJube 22:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Actual Article Discussion
Anyone wishing to discuss this amazing article should do so here. Please limit yourself to the article only.

How to work within Wikipedia policies
As you claim to still be learning about Wikipedia, let me give you a few pointers:

1. Do not shift article talk to your user page. That is not what the user talk page is for. The whole point of having talk pages on articles is to facilitate discussion of the article there.

Then why are you commenting on the article here?

2. AfDs: The point of an AfD is not for you to refute every single person who makes a comment, and thereby "win". The point of AfD is to open commentary on an article that someone deemed unfit for WP. You should make one or maybe two comments (one being your vote, and any other when something really off base might need to be explained. You don't "win" an AfD, no matter what; it is up to community consensus, not your personal opinion.

'''I think you should read the post by one of the founders of Wiki, Mr Sanders?, that I posted earlier. Your above comments are exactly what he is talking about.'''

3. Wikipedia policies: You need to read all of a given policy, not just the piece that suits your argument. In general, Wikipedia does not allow original research, which is defined loosely as anything not printed by a third party. (See WP:OR). There are also policies governing the reliability of sources (WP:RS). There's also WP:NPOV, which explains what neutral point of view means as far as WP is concerned. There's also WP:BLP, which governs articles on living people, and WP:NN for notability guidelines, WP:FRINGE for fringe theories, and probably a few other that might be appropriate to this situation. The important thing to note is that these policies do not function in a vacuum; they interact with one another, and therefore, while an article may meet one requirement, it may not meet all of them.

'''You joined the article discussion about 90% of the way in and then make comments which have already been rehashed over and over and settled. I and everyone else is aware of all of the above. Just what is your point? Also, "NPOV" and "FRINGE" have nothing to do with any article I have written. Don't just take a quick glance at a very lengthy discussion and make uninformed assumptions.'''

4. User conduct: There are also policies on user conduct. For one, I notice you aren't using four tildes to sign your posts, which is a basic item of Wikiquette - people need to know who has said something, and when. There is also a policy governing disrupting WP to make a point (WP:POINT), which seems to be what you are doing through your behavior in relation to the Billy Byars AfD. You have over 100 edits on WP already, 95% of which are either to the article, to the AfD page, or your complaint on ANI related to the AfD. The other 5% are for another AfD which was a bad faith nomination. While WP is "the encyclopedia anyone can edit", there are policies and procedures in place to handle users who are overly problematic, and you are clearly leaning towards that category, if not already in it. If you wish to be a positive contributor, you can learn from your mistakes. If not, you'll certainly be blocked sooner or later if your current conduct continues. MSJapan 03:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

'''I have almost always made tildes to sign my name. If one or two are missing out of 100 it is simply an accident. The vast majority of my edits are simple puncuation and grammar corrections due to my lousy typing. Your only post to any discussion that I have been involved in clearly showed that you didn't read the article being discussed. You made some bizarre statement about "two years of research about Usenet quotes". Absolutely no one in the discussion knew what you were talking about. You then attributed a nonsensible fact to a magazine article that didn't state any such thing. When these issues were pointed out to you, you never returned to the discussion to aknowlege your mistake. This can only show that you are trolling articles and attempting to start personl flame wars. This is not acceptable and you need to stop or you will be blocked.''' Ballog 04:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Ballog