User talk:Baloopa33

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Hello, Baloopa33, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, your edit to 2014 Scottish independence referendum does not conform to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy (NPOV). Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media.

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"Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media."

Indeed. I quote directly from the articles I cited:

"Scottish referendum: yes and no agree it's a once-in-a-lifetime vote

Both sides of the campaign have made it clear they will abide by the result, as political fallout from reneging would be significant" - Guardian

"Salmond: 'Referendum is once in a generation opportunity' SNP leader Alex Salmond has said the Scottish referendum is a "once in a generation opportunity".

Speaking to Andrew Marr he said that a simple majority, however close, would be accepted by both sides in the campaign and there would be a "generational" gap before another independence referendum"

So what I said was absolutely true and verified by reputable sources. As I said on the page, if you continue to disagree, you are either thick or a liar.

2014 Scottish independence referendum
Your edit says "Both sides agreed that the result would be binding for a generation". They did no such thing. All that was said was that the referendum could be a once in a generation opportunity, because the political circumstances necessitating the first referendum may not recur.

By the way, accusing other users of being "thick or a liar" is no way of influencing people to agree with you. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

The other part of your edit, " so there will be no second referendum in the immediate future" violates WP:CRYSTAL. That's a prediction, not based on any established fact. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:25, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

"All that was said was that the referendum COULD be a once in a generation opportunity.." (my emphasis)

No, that's a flat out lie. Let's look at what was actually said shall we.

"Salmond: 'Referendum is once in a generation opportunity'.."

Those words speak for themselves. The referendum IS a once in a generation opportunity, not COULD BE a once in a generation opportunity.

"Speaking to Andrew Marr he said that a simple majority, however close, would be accepted by both sides in the campaign"

This also speaks for itself. Salmond said that the result WOULD be accepted, not that it COULD be accepted. And finally:

"and there would be a "generational" gap before another independence referendum"

And yet another quote that speaks for itself. There WOULD be a generational gap, not that there COULD be a generational gap.

So we can clearly see that I am right and you are wrong. What both sides agreed was that there WOULD be a generational gap, not that there COULD be.

Oh and if you don't like being called either thick or dishonest, then I suggest you don't behave in a thick/dishonest way.


 * You should refrain from editing until you learn to be civil with other users who happen to disagree with your interpretations. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:33, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

You should refrain from editing until you learn to cite sources accurately.


 * I am reverting your terrible edit precisely because you are NOT citing sources accurately. WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NPOV apply. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Really? As I see it, you made a quite terrible argument that the sources said that the vote COULD be a once in a generational vote - and I have demolished that contention so thoroughly you aren't even trying to argue against it.

Edit warring
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Oh I see. You've completely lost the argument, so now you're trying to win it by threat. So sad.


 * "Stop this nonsense, or you will be reported" sounds like a threat to me. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Ah, but the difference sir is that, as we established above, my interpretation of the sources was right and yours was wrong. Thus, you were effectively trying to vandalise the page by removing accurate and sourced material. That is wrong and cannot be allowed to stand.

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