User talk:BalthCat/Archive 2

Re: Amiga IRC users
Dear BalthCat,

You wrote to me:

"Pardon if I'm unaware of current Amiga machines, but are they not old and outdated?"

Your questions are welcome! Here some answers:

Official Amigas
AmigaONE PPC machines from Eyetech (GB) have been dismissed in 2001 due to bankruptcy manufacturer of the chipset spare parts (MAI Logic Inc.) which developed Northbridge Chips for PPCs necessary to AmigaONE to pilot BUS, hardware, and RAM.

So Eyetech, the AmigaONE manufacturer ran out of spare parts and was forced to cease production of the new amigas.

It exists various versions of it (AmigaOne XE, AmigaONE SE and MicroAmigaONE)

Actual Amiga-like platform it is Sam440EP mainboard from italian firm ACube. It is ready for AmigaOS, and unofficially AmigaOS runs on it, but it is still awating for official License, due to actual court trial opposing Amiga Inc. which owns all Amiga Copyrights, and Hyperion Manufacturer of the AmigaOS.

AmigaOS 4.0 was released final version 24 december 2006.

AmigaOS 4.0 first update it is of july 2007

Amiga site at hyperion manufacturer. See "News" section.

Amiga Clones
Pegasos II platform from Genesi Inc. has been dismissed in 2002 due to incoming of RoHS CEE pollution legislation to reduce hazardous substances when manufacturing electronics. Its place was taken by Efika I motherboard (dismissed last month in favour of Efika II newest machine). Efika II will be shipped in shops in two or more weeks.

MorphOS 1.4.5 AmigaOS clone was of 2002

MorphOS 2.0 it is ready to be shipped with new machines Efika II, and it has been seen last summer in Amiga Exhibits. Pegasos users (me too) are waiting for MOrphOS 2.0 for Pegasos machines.

AROS
AROS Open Source (AmigaOS 3.1 API clone) operating systems runs on various platforms and mainly X86 normal Intel PC machines.

On it runs a version of WookieChat for Amiga systems.

It is an Amiga system and requires no more legacy Amiga hardware.

It is still unfinushed, but reaches new advances any little time.

Some days ago (6 october 2007) a version of AROS booted for the first time on 64bit CPU WINTEL machines

News about Aros 64bit

New Machines:
In the past years were sold about 1500/2000 AmigaONE machines, a number of 1400/1700 Pegasos machines, and circa 50 to 150 Efika machines to amiga users (3000 users circa of new Amigas).

Old Amigas still being used
Counting from Forum discussions, new users, various requests from users, there should be still circa 3000 Old Amiga classic machine users out there, but these machine are far from being considered outdated because we are talking of normal daily usage for navigating the internet (no high speed requests for heavy multimedia), and 1000 of them are equipped with PPC expansion cards of first generation which keep Amiga still more than usable (so count in 3000 users of classic Amigas).

Emulators users
There are circa 150 upto 300 users of Amithlon Amiga emulator, and a number from 300 upto 1000 users of WinUAE and other UAE emulators which use Amiga for serious usage.

Totals
So Amiga core users should be from 6500 to 7000 users, not counting those who don't have internet access (a vaste number of east european users), or those who uses Amiga rarely, as a second computer.

External supporters
There are also a vaste number of people asking for Amigas in various internet fora. Judging from the number of requests and ask for information (about 10 per month on Amiga sites), and judging from the requests of these people who ask for Amiga info, return of Amiga, and request for new Amigas to buy, as seen on other sites which are not related to Amiga (like Ars Technica, or OSNews, or other sites worldwide)...

For example here:

Ars Technica History of Amiga part one See how many comments and asks for Amiga to return.

...There should be a vaste amount (3000? 5000?) of people who could be potential new Amiga users, or want to return to Amiga, or just follows the Amiga platform from outside. But we do not count these.

Counting only 6500 to 7000 Amiga core users, it is more than entire BeOS userbase, or more than many userbases of minor Linux flavours...

See also discussion about number of people in Amiga Community:

"How big it is the Amiga Community? at Amigaworld.net.

AmIRC
AmIRC last version it is of 11 october 2007 (FOUR DAYS ago) when it was launched for MorphOS (first it was available only for AmigaOS)

News on AmigaWorld site

Amirc site

Historical AmIRC site

screenshot of AmIRC for MorphOS

Amirc on AmigaOS 4.0

AmIRC on AmigaOS Classic into WINUAE emulator

Not bad for what you believe it was abandonware...

WookieChat
WookieChat was last updated May 2007

Main Site

Wookiechat screenshot running on MorphOS

AmigaOS 4.0 running WookieChat and Jabberwocky instant messaging Jabber Amiga client

Amiga WookieChat, IBrowse browser and Simplemail

wookieChat, Simplemail, IBrowse, Wipeout 2097, AmiAMP (same of WinAMP), WordWorth 7 WordProcessor

BenderIRC
BenderIRC was updated last time in march 2005

BenderIRC site

BenderIRC can use themes (it is skinnable) at user request.

Here are some benderIRC themes (Personally I found it UGLY) but it is not me who created it or use it.

BenderIRC theme from Filou

BenderIRC MangaClub theme

BenderIRC featuring Amiga MasonIcons

Notability
As stated in various sites, Amiga IRC client made the history of IRC, and AmIRC was the program which inspired the famous multistandard X-Chat. into X-Chat license somewhere it should be also present the greetings to AmIRC author.

(This fact of the greetings in the license it is uncredited info).

Sure it is real that since 1999 X-Chat it is stated as similar to Amiga AmIRC and inspired by Amiga IRC program.

See here an almost recent document in Debian.org:

Debian.org XCHAT Package It is a document showing this release of Xchat: Package: xchat (2.6.8-0.3) which is released with Debian Linux. It is stated clearly that X-CHat is:

IRC client for X similar to AmIRC

XChat is a graphical IRC Client with a GTK+ GUI. It has a look and feel similar to AmIRC for the Amiga.

(current XChat version it is 2.8. It is a relese not so far from 2.6.8 which was described in this debian site...)

And again in the far 1999 in a discussion installing XChat 1.0 for Debian Linux:

Debian Devel-Chaneges discussion message

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Format: 1.6 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:29:38 +1000 Source: xchat Binary: xchat xchat-gnome Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.0.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Edward C. Lang  Description: xchat     - IRC client for X similar to AmIRC xchat-gnome - IRC client for GNOME similar to AmIRC Closes: 29550 29697 32266 32857 34430 37088 Changes: xchat (1.0.0-1) unstable; urgency=low

Conclusions
I presented to your attention a vaste number of infos regarding vitality of Amiga, its platforms, userbase and supporters, and screenshots of programs complete with original home sites.

I brought also to your attention some testimonies of the fact that the famous X-Chat was surely inspired by AmIRC Amiga program.

And in conclusion:

Amiga IRC programs are updated frequently, are professional, and inspired IRC software on other platforms.

AmigaOS has been updated recently.

Amiga new platforms like SAM440EP had been realized last year and it is now selling on the market starting from september 2007.

There is also a consistent userbase of 6000/7000 users.

This all demonstrated that Amiga it is Vital, its notability clear, and its programs deserved to be mention in IRC article.

Hope also that you have enough patience and beer to read all this discussion of mine.

Thanks,

--Raffaele Megabyte 08:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S.
Well, I forgot to say the main things, so a post-scriptum it is required.

If there are enough info for you, I hope that you are completely satisfied and you will restore yourself the Amiga IRC info I wrote on IRC article.

Ciao, --Raffaele Megabyte 09:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S. 2
Another Post Scriptum!

Whoops... I beg your pardon! I believed you deleted the "second" edit I made.

While you just informed me the fact you deleted my "first" edit!

It sure was too big with some non relevant infos.

I made a second edit on IRC article before reading that there was a new message in my Talk page containing your objections and questions.

Sorry, --Raffaele Megabyte 08:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have read through a bit of what you've said above.  I'm not sure that a few thousand people counts as notable in the grand scheme of IRC of things, however you've provided enough information for me not to be confident in declaring it not-notable, so I'll be leaving it alone now. :P - BalthCat 14:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Naturalismo / freak folk merge
I forget now why I proposed the merge. Presumably at the time, I thought that the two articles appeared to be two names for the same genre. My reason for doing this was more to prevent the unnecessary effort of someone eg. developing a perfectly good Naturalismo article, and then discovering that Freak Folk covered the same material, but better.

-- TimNelson 03:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as I figured after reading it. I just have a peeve when I read "Discuss!" and then click and nothing's there. Since I'm not sure whether one or the other is actually the more acceptable name, I didn't state my opinion on the matter. - BalthCat 03:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Industrial Mental & Marilyn Manson
H, just being curious, but isn't Antichrist Superstar and example of the lighter side of Industrial Metal? is there any proof that the band doen't deserve to be listed on that page?  Doktor  Wilhelm   14:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * One album of at least half a dozen does not make an artist an exemplar of a genre. That was my point.  It wasn't a list of example albums, it was a list of example artists.  In that case the majority of the artist or group's discography should represent the genre to be included. - BalthCat 00:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:CHSR Current Logo.jpg)
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Giuliani controversies article
The Time Waste R editor did not like the controversies article. A majority of other editors in the discussion agreed. Here is the article, prior to the deletion {via "redirect"} by another opponent of the article:.

So, now, people must hunt for controversial material in various articles, Rudy Giuliani, Giuliani Partners, Mayoralty of Rudy Giuliani, Political positions of Rudy Giuliani, Judith Nathan,
 * Rudy Giuliani promotions of Bernard Kerik
 * September 11, 2001 attacks
 * his role in minimizing the dangers of the unhealthy air at Ground Zero, see Health effects arising from the September 11, 2001 attacks. Regards, Dogru144 (talk) 22:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)