User talk:BalticPat22

MSNBC
I think that your recent contribution to MSNBC was helpful, but I disagree with your decision to remove the part about Conservative criticism of Matthews and Olbermann's coverage of the 2008 election. I will add that part back in (with a reference this time). ~BLM Platinum (talk) 03:15, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

French Canadians pic stuff
Thanks for still following this page. Was afraid I would be alone there with that user that wanted to add the pic. Well explained, good work. Dbrodbeck (talk) 04:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Buzz here :).......we are redoing the Canada article as per here..but thats not y i am here - we have done some updating to the Aboriginal and arts content..i think you will be pleased --->Canada It was mentioned that Celine Dion should be represented in the music section!! :) ....Moxy (talk) 03:29, 9 April 2010 (UTC) aka BUZZZ

LaTraviata1453
I'm noticing User:LaTraviata1453's over-enthusiastic reverting of other people's contributions too (e.g. on the Vocal range article), though it's possible they aren't reading their talk page so I don't know if they are aware of our advice. Wondering what to do... --mcld (talk) 09:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok this guy wont stop can i get you to revert his last edits ..i have already reverted 3 times today, so its your turn now LOL :)Moxy (talk) 17:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!
Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. I've just read your profile and I understood that you're an open-minded and learned person interested in many cultures and you might be from Irish descent (I wish I can visit the beautiful Ireland some time soon!), so you understand what are a minorized language and culture and maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm a member of a Catalan association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to that moment. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. Supporting us will be like giving equal opportunity to minorized languages and cultures in the future! Thanks again, wishing you a great summer, take care! Slán agat! (if you're Irish of course...) Capsot (talk) 07:17, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Pat, I hope you're doing fine. Thanks for your support and your nice message! I wish you all the best! Grazie mile/go raibh maith agat! Take enormous care, your friend Claudi Capsot (talk) 12:18, 19 June 2010 (UTC).

Reviewer
You should consider applying for reviewer rights - Celine Dion's just been added to the WP:Pending changes trial. See --> Requests for permissions/Reviewer to apply !!Moxy (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
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You are incorrect. If you would like to remove it you need to take it to the talk page as I have full reason to add info to the article. And I am quite aware of the 3 revert rule, and I'm sure you are also quite familiar with it, having been blocked from it.--Peter Griffin  • Talk   00:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
Please, join the discussion here. Max24(talk) 20:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Re:Celine Dion
Hallo! I wasn't trying to create gossip, I simply made an error when I looked it up online. (Next time, I'll read the article first, before I look it up online.) The person who said she was gay made an error in sources, and I guess I did too. Thanks for letting me know! I appreciate it! :) -- Mithrandir∞ (Talk!) (Opus Operis) 20:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Please read this. Thanks. --Pracchia-78 (talk) 10:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Mariah Carey albums discography
Please leave your comment HERE. Baratayuda (talk) 07:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

How long can we tolerate this?
I think you'd be interested in reading this. Please leave your comment. -- Max24 (talk) 09:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Max24/Petergriffin9901
Talk:Mariah Carey albums discography.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:14, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

RIAJ One-million sellers database
Sure, this is the 1 million-seller-database for RIAJ. But then I use the google-translator (Merry Christmas by Mariah Carey) as the names of foreign artists are printed with Japanese letters.--Harout72 (talk) 02:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Celine Dion singles discography
Hi, Could you check Celine Dion singles discography and fix the lead if needed as you did some time ago to Celine Dion albums discography? I have nominated both articles to be featured lists (FLs). That is the reason for so many changes in the last days in both articles. Max24 (talk) 08:34, 01 October 2010 (UTC)

Sure, no problem! BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 19:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have added "That's the Way it Is" as it was the only US top 10 single not mentioned in the article. I have also removed the part about "To Love You More" in the U.S. and Canada. I think that only the most important things should be included in the lead. Besides, "To Love You More" was released in Canada in late 1996 and in the US in mid-1998. It peaked at #15 on the BDS Airplay chart and #11 on the US Airplay chart, but the sources you gave don't support that. I think it'd be better to focus on Japan in this case. If you see some more grammar to fix, please do so :) Max24 (talk) 20:39, 01 October 2010 (UTC)

MSNBC 2: Electric Boogaloo
I've reverted your change at MSNBC, though I messed up the edit summary. The material seems mostly devoid of any original research and is thoroughly sourced, save possibly the very last sentence (though it's easily verifiable). If you feel it's still an issue, can you please explain exactly which parts are objectionable? Thanks! //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 16:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

February 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on Celine Dion. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Tb hotch *  ۩  ۞ 05:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I know the importance of citing correctly the sources, I've written 3 FLs. Now the real issue is that you are reverting sourced information because it "is not formated correctly". Just because it is a FA does not mean that a casue of those two URL sources the article will be taked to FAR. Also keep in mind that most IP users never source their information and for once an IP do it, and you revert him/her. Instead of delete 993 bytes of information, why do not correct the references and re-include the deleted information? Tb hotch *  ۩  ۞ 06:05, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not seeing a 3RR break, the only revert as far as I see is this, but, on the other hand, I'm seeing that s/he is using multiples IPs (1, 2, 3, 4), this is not a crime, unless s/he starts to be disruptive. Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch * <font color="#006600"> ۩ <font color="#DAA520"> ۞ 20:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Dion's voice
Throaty, heady, chesty are TECHNICAL terms. The voice must be supported by the diaphragm and projected in the "mask", not resonate in the throat or the nose like Celine Dion does. 92.90.21.1 (talk) 18:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * OK. You're a blind fan. Dion try to sing in the upper face (the mask), but tight a lot the throat, so the the voice sounds very nasal and throaty. Listen to All by Myself, in the refrain, her voice sounds nasal and tight, and she do the F5 at 3:15, her voice is throay and scratchy. Or listen to her high notes in Next plane out or Be the man or Love Is On the Way Tell Him, A World to believe in, her voice sounds SO NASAL AND TIGHT in these songs. In reality, ALL HER SONGS SOUNDS NASAL. And from Eb5 her voice sounds so throaty and scratchy. Listen to ALL her live of To Love You More. As always, her voice sounds very nasal, and when she does the E5 (on the phrase "We find a way"), she forces her voice, she takes the note with her troath, when you do that on your highest notes (the highest belted note of Dion is the F5), the sound is inevitably forced and scratchy. And when she does the "aaaaaaaaaaay aaaaaaaaaaay" after the E5, she tight the throat, it sounds so nasal. Christina Aguilera also do that, and listen to her song, you'll hear her belting voice is throaty and scratchy. Streisand, Carey, Houston never sounds throaty or scratchy, because they supported their voice with the diaphragm and project the sound in the mask (the upper face). Streisand sometimes tight SLIGHTLY the throat, so she sounds a bit nasal, but she has a great technique. Her voice is strong, bright, rond,vibrant. She has such a great sense of rythm, such a perfect legato, such a breath control. Yes, as Goldman said, Dion "has no problem of accuracy or tempo", yes, as TYN said "She can deliver tricky melismas ...", but her voice is very badly placed. It's thin, nasal, tight, throaty or scratchy, with no resonnance all is in the nose or the throat. I know you'll not put up my contribution, but I wanted to write this. 92.90.21.1 (talk) 12:18, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Requests for page protection of Celine Dion
For your FYI Moxy (talk) 19:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)............✅ : Semi-protected&#32;indefinitely.

Thank you
Thank you so so much! I'm glad to make you happy. I love to make people happy. I love Dion's voice and I wanted to do very detailed, but relevant section for it. Again, thank you for your congratulations and to show me that my edit is not useless! SemiramideSutherland (talk) 20:08, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

celine dion's voice
I noticed your edits and others' on the celine voice section. you seem to be a celine fan but also level headed

it seems the edits are by a troll. I checked out the links and none of them are accurate. for one I doubt cecilia bartoli or regine crespin ever did an analysis of celine's voice..it's absurd. it seems like someone gave their own analysis of celine's voice and attributed it to sopranos and vocal experts. I think it should be checked out Oarhoaleftroom (talk) 09:07, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, the sources seem to coincide with WP's policies. I don't understand what you mean by "none of them are accurate." Please elaborate, because you seem to be providing mixed messages, such as your statement, "I think it should be checked out." If you have any qualms with the statements and their accuracy, feel free to use the talk page. As of now, they are all sourced correctly, and I don't see anything that would make the quotes violate Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Also, I try to make the article as non-biased a possible, hence the large revisions from the other user. Other users also do a lot to keep the article featured. I appreciate your concern, but you must seperate sources that you believe are indeed incorrect, with ones that you, or any other user simply don't like personally. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 22:02, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, basically a lot (if not most) of the additions by SemiramideSutherland are all fabrications meant to spread his negative view of Celine. The first quote I have an issue with is one he attributes to Andre Tubeauf which says "Music critic, André Tubeuf states, "[...] for all its natural lack of varnish, velvet and richness, this voice can acquire such distinctive colors and timbres as to be unforgettable. However, Dion often exaggerates her nasality for expression or for effect, producing a sound which generally becomes acidic and unsightly"

The user claims this quote came from "Bel canto: a history of vocal pedagogy" by James Stark. This is absurd to begin with since such a famous book on classical singing would never mention pop singers but techniques, but if you check the book yourself on Google books, you can do a search for "Celine" or "Dion" within the book here: http://books.google.com/books?id=rVFQdViY7jAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=bel+canto+james+stark&hl=en&src=bmrr&ei=WKWOTfyfFJKw0QHh4-WbCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

There is not a single instance or mention of Celine or even Andre Tubeauf in the book. It is a fabrication. The wikipedia user continues to attribute about 4-5 other quotes to this same book/source, with quotes from opera singers like Regine Crespin, Joan Sutherland, which again i assure you, as you can search through that book on Google books and they are not even mentioned, not even once. It is all a fabrication by this user to preach his personal views on Celine's voice, and it is an elaborate one using sources to pass it off as real. I could change it myself but I wanted to contact some more established members before I take action. Those sources are all real but none of them support any of the quotes he lists, basically = it's all fake. You can see for yourself. Oarhoaleftroom (talk) 02:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC) --Oarhoaleftroom (talk) 02:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, well the talk page is always there. If you'd like, you can start a discussion about the issue, and in the meantime, you can revert the edits that you explicitely know to be false. However, this cannot become an edit war, because I've had enough of those already. I appreciate you bringing this up, though. Thank you.BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering in you in any case. I just wanted to let a veteran member know before I made any rash edits in the very case an edit war might happen (although it seems since the page is semi protected I can't edit anything anyway for now lol). Sorry if it was a bother. Oarhoaleftroom (talk) 18:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You have any proof of what you says ! You says that because you don't accept the statement of Tubeuf. I don't understand why opera singers and Tubeuf would not describes her vocals ! SemiramideSutherland (talk) 13:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a disccusion already underway in the Talk Page section of Celine Dion. It is very obvious that the statements you gave are not in the sources, which presents a large problem. I suggest you take any qulams you have to the talk page.BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 18:54, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

French language
Hello :)

Dear BalticPat22, you reverted recently my afterthoughts on this article. As I didn't understand exactly the reason of this revert, I will try to explain you why I added those pieces of information, and I'm sure that we could eventually find an agreement.

Firstly, I have to say that I used a 2010 OIF report as a source of my changes : I dindn't really understand why what I've added is an "Orginal Researsh".

Then, I wanted, in accordance to the 2010 report- I don't know whether you can or not read French, so I will explain it directly to you here -show that the very particularity of French is that it is a language that have, as a world language, relatively few native speakers, but that much more people can speak it as a second or third language. Another specificity is that many people in Africa can converse in French, but cannot read or write it, for the simple reason that they are illiterate. As a consequence, those people cannot be considered as full-fledged francophones, but they are still capable of speaking the language. However, the difficulty is that one cannot really make a trustworthy estimate of them, thus the number of people able to speak French is unkown (as I wrote it in the article yesterday).

Those statements also make sense with the end of the introduction, as a forecast is mentionned : if so many people will be considered as francophones in 2050, it is because by the time, education will be much better organised and present in the African countries; people there will as a consequence be able to speak, write or read the official language of their country properly, and not only their local dialects.

All this makes French a very special major language. Since those important informations were not present in the article, I thought it was a good move to add them. I can understand that the lenght of the paragraph could be reduced to facilitate the reading, but I see no reason in deleting it enterely.

Je vous remercie d'avance pour votre réponse.

Celyndel (talk) 16:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I understand that, but I was trying to abide by Wikipedia's policy on lead sections. While the report was interesting (and maybe noteworthy), I did not find it appropriate or necessary enough to take up an extra paragraph in the lead section, since there are already five paragraphs in the lead to begin with. Secondly, this isn't a discussion about the substance of the article. In other words, don't bring personal information into the conversation. That said, I do speak French, but I think that is wholly irrelevant to the issue at hand. One doesn't need to be conversant in any language(s) in order for that person to be able to edit articles. My other main qualm was that you placed personal wording in the paragraph toward the end, without any edits to support it. That's why I placed "original research" into the space box. Along with grammatical errors, and the sheer length of the paragraph in relation to its relevance, I decided it was necessary to revert it. Feel free to place it into another part of the article, but six paragraphs in the lead section is too much, per WP:LEAD and may overhwhelm the reader with information before they even read the article after the lead section. Anyway, that's why I reverted your edit. I do appreciate the explanation, though. Not too many users have the courtesy to do so. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 23:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring report
I have declined your 3RR report against User:REGICUAZA. Per the 3RR policy, making multiple reverts in a row, with no intervening edits, counts as a single revert for purpose of counting towards 3RR. This is because some editors prefer to make one big edit that handles all of the changes, while others like to make small, incremental changes. Plus, there's no "edit warring" involved if it's just one user making a bunch of changes. I recommend that you try to get the editor to engage on the article's talk page if you don't agree with the changes xe made. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

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