User talk:Bam21

Kenny Meiselas
Hi. Welcome, again. I deleted this, as you tagged it so very emphatically (one db tag is enough) but I didn't see any obvious reason why you wanted it gone. If you change your mind, I will be happy to bring it back for you. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have "userfied" it for you - moved into a sub-page in your "user space" - at User:Bam21/Kenny Meiselas. You can work on it there.


 * When you are ready, you can either click the "Submit" button in the box at the top, which will put it into a queue at WP:Articles for creation for somebody to review and make live, or move it directly into the main encyclopedia by using the "Move" tab at the top of the screen. The "move" tab won't become available to you until your account is "autoconfirmed", which happens automatically after four days and ten edits. Moving would leave a "redirect" behind, which you can get rid of by tagging it db-userreq or (shorter) db-u1.


 * The thing not to do is copy and paste it back into the mainspace - "cut and paste" moves are not good, because they lose the editing history, and the license terms require that to be maintained. It wouldn't be serious in this case, because you have provided all the content so far, but in principle cut and paste moves are to be avoided.


 * Notice that I have "commented out" the categories by putting round them, so that the page is not put into categories while it is in user space. JohnCD (talk) 11:16, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Possible conflict of interest?
Hello Bam21. I recently noticed your edit request at MeidasTouch. While evaluating your request, I noticed that the founders' surname, Meiselas, matches the surname of a person who you once created a Wikipedia page about, before having it deleted (and then it was moved to your userspace), as briefly explained here on your talk page. Is it possible you have a conflict of interest with respect to MeidasTouch?

If so, you you must disclose it; please read WP:DCOI for the process to disclose any conflicts of interest. Second, when making edit requests related to your conflict of interest, please use the COI edit request template.

--Pinchme123 (talk) 18:53, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the message, I just submitted a new COI edit request. I am not very good at Wikipedia but am just trying to update this as it is currently very out-of-date and inaccurate. Thanks for your assistance. Bam21 (talk) 23:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on MeidasTouch
Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page MeidasTouch, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows: Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:Qwerfjkl/Botpreload&editintro=User:Qwerfjkl/boteditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:Qwerfjkl&preloadtitle=Qwerfjkl%20(bot)%20–%20Bam21&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=&preloadparams%5b%5d=1181064801 report it to my operator]. Thanks, Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk) 16:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
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October 2023
Hello, Bam21. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page MeidasTouch, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the edit COI template);
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see );
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see );
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. ''Two separate editors have responded to your COI edit request to say they do not think there is enough sourcing for your proposed changes (in addition to my initial decision regarding sourcing on your first-posted edit request). Instead of editing MeidasTouch again, please continue to engage in the COI edit request process.'' Pinchme123 (talk) 22:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Pinchme123, I am simply trying to update this article to reflect reality. It's completely inaccurate right now. I've provided multiple sources to prove that point. It is currently misleading the public. Nobody is responding to the change requests. Can you please assist? Here are two such websites that make clear that this article in its current form is inaccurate:
 * "The post, which was spotted Thursday by the pro-democracy news website MeidasTouch, " "A previous version of this story included an inaccurate description of the MeidasTouch website; it is not a PAC."
 * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-arthur-engoron-threatens-prison-trump-apparent-breach-gag-order/
 * "Updated Oct. 16 at 7:05 p.m. to note Meiselas is co-founder of MeidasTouch Network. He was co-founder of the MeidasTouch PAC but the organization no longer exists."
 * https://www.al.com/politics/2023/10/that-viral-video-of-tommy-tuberville-falling-down-stairs-its-not-what-you-think.html
 * I don't think it is too much to ask that this article reflect reality. It is currently misleading journalists to print false stories, perpetuating a cycle of misinformation.
 * Could you please assist in fixing this issue? I'd greatly appreciate the help. Bam21 (talk) 22:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have little experience with COI edit requests, which is why I haven't been comfortable with helping further. The good news is your requests have had steady responses, so I don't think you're being ignored or anything. I know you're looking for a particular outcome, but Wikipedia has specific guidelines for how things appear on pages that need to be followed. For example, primary sources are only acceptable in certain circumstances, but one of the concerns about conflict of interest editing (and one reason I'm less familiar with it) is the overuse of primary sources that often moves beyond those circumstances. I hope you understand that, to maintain the relative integrity of information on Wikipedia, editors will stringently hold to those guidelines in all these scenarios. --Pinchme123 (talk) 00:44, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the problem is there is no integrity to the information presented. It is quite frankly entirely inaccurate and all I’m looking to do is make it accurate. Nothing more, nothing less. I’ve provided primary sources. Secondary sources. All of them continue to be disregarded. Whatever help you can provide would be greatly appreciate. It does not feel like changing the word “is” to “was” should be a tough thing to fix; and it is doing real harm to people’s livelihoods. Bam21 (talk) 04:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

21-OCT-2023
I'm placing my reply here because it goes off topic from the article. Regarding your last reply message, you make a good point, but this is still inescapably an ontological discussion. There is in one realm the PAC which is devoid of human beings and their resources, which exists only as inanimate objects like office equipment paperwork and office buildings. Those can be eliminated or closed down so that they cease to operate and could be considered "no longer in existence". Then there is the PAC that is made up of animate humans, people and their minds, their thoughts, their business connections and their social resources. Those processes cannot be eliminated destroyed or ceased to exist unless the person ceases to exist. Because living people continue living and carry over into other vocations while keeping all of their human resources and business connections, it can be surmised that though they may not be organized in the same exact way, they still effectively function elsewhere doing probably similar work. They remain in existence. The PAC is arguably not the room or building where people meet or the desk where they work at. It's actually the people who inhabit it and make the PAC function. On paper we can say an organization no longer exists but that's a misnomer. The people who make up the PAC are doing something else under a different name. That's where you and I agree. Mentioning in the article that MT PAC was reorganized as DDA with the intention of operating completely separate and distinct from MT would ideally be a much more intellectually honest rendering of this information. On the other hand, saying that the MT PAC no longer exists is hyperbole, because nothing moves in and out of existence so easily. When I throw a ball to my cat and it goes behind the couch, my cat still looks for it, even though he doesn't see it. The ball's "existence" is so strong, that even when he doesn't see it, he knows it's there. Questions of existence are not to be taken lightly — they very easily render as being highly subjective, and are better to be completely left out of the discussion. That's why in the end I think a blanket statement that It "no longer exists" is intellectually dishonest and that it only tells half the story. To put it another way, is a fact that only tells half the story, half a fact? If the reader is told that this no longer exists when the human resources that powered it are functioning under a different name elsewhere, then the reader's only getting half the story. I don't think the reader should have to settle for half a story. But unfortunately to get that other half we need a reference. Right now It appears that none exist, but it takes time for something to come into existence (which proves my point — that moving in and out of existence rarely happens overnight — and more often takes a lot of time) Regards, Spintendo  23:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)