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LILFORD HALL
Hi. Thank you for starting Lilford Hall site! I am having problem linking Lilford Park to Lilford Hall. Can you help? Charles            aziza@micklewrightc.freeserve.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.226.201 (talk) 15:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi thanks, I am interested in the family and their connection with bank hall in bretherton, and yes, i will have a look for you and connect them both! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 16:27, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I think new blank site for Lilford Park needed, with re-direct to Lilford Hall site. I am new to this sort of thing! Charles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.226.201 (talk) 13:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC) we need some info on the park with a few references to start it off!Bankhallbretherton (talk) 14:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I suggest te following for new site on Lilford Hall. Tks Charles

Lilford Park is located in the eastern part of the County of Northamptonshire in the United Kingdom, south of Oundle and north of Thrapston. Lilford Hall is a parkland of 350 acres located around the village of Lilford, part of the parish of Lilford-cum-Wigsthorpe and Thorpe Achurch. The land which was turned into the parkland was mentioned in the Domesday Book, and owned by King David I of Scotland at that time. .

Lilford Park comprises pleasure grounds around Lilford Hall of around 100 acres, a former deer park of also around 100 acres, and woods of 150 acres. The Park was formalized between 1747 and 1776 by removing all of the existing village of Lilford (12 houses and the vicarage) as well as St. Peter’s Church, which buildings were all located close south of Lilford Hall. The remains of the church were then used to build a folly near the Achurch end of the Park.

The Park also still contains several aviaries built for Thomas Littleton Powys, 4th Baron Lilford, a prominent ornithologist. Lilford travelled widely, especially in the Mediterranean Region and his extensive collection of birds was maintained in Lilford Park. His aviaries featured birds from around the globe, including rheas, kiwis, Pink-headed Ducks and even a pair of free-flying Lammergeiers. He was responsible for the introduction of the Little Owl into England in the 1880s.

The 7th Baron Lilford restocked the aviaries around 1970, containing more than 350 birds of 110 species, and opened the Park to the public. In the autumn of 1990 Lilford Park was closed to the public, and the Park is now owned by the Micklewright family and used by them as grounds for Lilford Hall.

Lilford Park was used for the USA Air Force 303rd Station Hospital during World War II. After the war, the former hospital buildings in the Park were used for a Polish school called Lilford Technical School from 1949 and 1954.

Lilford Park was the subject of the 27th January 1900 issue of Country Life Illustrated, and also a location for the BBC television series "By the Sword Divided" made in the 1980s.

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hi I would like to know more about the project regarding special gardens of interest? Bankhallbretherton (talk) 14:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Help with future photo uploads
If you want to run any problem items past me in future I will be happy to help out with assisting to compile a suitable description and non-free-use rationale. But actually you would be better enlisting the help of Skier Dude who appears further up the page. He is an experienced editor and administrator that specialises in image and copyright infractions. He is an expert in the field and I am sure he would offer help if you ask nicely. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 13:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed you talk on the page for Burscough regarding architecture. Thought this might be interesting to you: http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/burscough-bridge-regeneration-lancashire-by-bca-landscape-video/1874651.article m.frost@2009.ljmu.ac.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.30.180 (talk) 17:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the award. I really am grateful. Thanks. --L. Gregson (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2010 (UTC) No probs! maybe i will do enough work on here to earn one one day! I would like an architectural award and a history one too! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 00:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Hafodunos
Hello, and very well done on your revamping of the Hafodunos article. I've had an interest in the property for many years, too, having visited it and photographed it several times (see 'extensive photo tour' link in the article). Davellandudno (talk) 09:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Cheers Dave I will do! I have about 5 years ago came accross the building online and have followed it ever since, im involved with Bank Hall which was on the BBC Restoration (TV series) and i have a major interest in listed buildings. Many thanks for your aknowledgement. Bankhallbretherton (talk) 08:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Any news on the future of the building? Bankhallbretherton (talk) 21:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Bank Hall
You changed the rating to GA. I think you might have been a bit premature as the article hasn't been got GA assessment yet. Yes, it's been peer reviewed with a view to GA assessment but it hasn't been submitted for formal GA review yet (or at least not that I can find). If you want a GA assessment conducting list the article at WP:GAN. NtheP (talk) 20:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC) Thank you! Im sorry i didnt realise that a GA needed a review, I knew it dod for featured article, never mind... I have submitted it now, many thanks for correcting me, what do you think of the article? Do you think it will make it? Bankhallbretherton (talk) 20:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think there will be too many issues as you've done most, if not all of the stuff suggested in the peer review. NtheP (talk) 21:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah i did all in the peer review within a day or 2 of the review being done so I doing minor edits and hopefully get it to FA status when its ready but will wait for GA first and hopefully someone will give me tips for a FA status article Bankhallbretherton (talk) 21:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Atherton Hall
Atherton Hall was Atherton's manor house, the Lilford's were Lords of the Manor in Atherton. This part of Atherton wasn't incorporated into Leigh until 1894 I think. The Hall building was never actually in Leigh, it had been demolished by the time the area was incorporated. The information needs correcting.--J3Mrs (talk) 10:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have corrected the lead and linked it to the appropriate articles, It's a complicated bit of old Lancashre with boundary changes etc. :-) --J3Mrs (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

haha ok thanks! it sounds like the part of lancashire im from! boundarys changed etc! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 11:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've written quite a lot (a couple of GAs) about Leigh and Atherton but it's good to see some more contributions to this "unfashionable" area. I have the History of Atherton so I'll look out some more info for the article.--J3Mrs (talk) 11:48, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Great! do you have any history on the family that lived at atherton hall as i would be very much interested in it or any pics of them or the hall? also i think atherton hall should be mentioned as it was a landmark that has since gone and the estate is still a landmark as a park area, cheers Bankhallbretherton (talk) 11:50, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The Atherton history book has quite a lot of info. The park is now linked in culture in Leigh and Manor in Atherton but I know the area well and it simply isn't a landmark. You wouldn't know it had been there so I think it's linked in the right places.--J3Mrs (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Still i think any mansion house should be listed as haveing being there as they are notable places form the past and provide part of the history of the area and villages and towns etc Bankhallbretherton (talk) 23:20, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is now mentioned and linked but not as a landmark, (which it isn't) it is with Pennington Hall, also demolished, in Culture. As this is a Good Article I am trying hard to keep it brief. I rewrote the sentence to include the link and a tiny amount of background. If people want more they can click the link. :-)--J3Mrs (talk) 08:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Bank Hall
Here's a good independent source you might like to cite. [] When I'd read the ref there might be something I wanted to add. This is how I'd cut it back, your words, just lots of them cut out. I wouldn't mention Bank Hall by name too often, after all that's what the article is about so it doesn't need to be constantly referred to. If you think it's too much please ignore and see what the other reviewers think.

"For centuries Bank Hall was the manorial residence of the Banastres, "Lords of the Manor of Bretherton'.[6] The Banastres arrived in Lancashire after the Norman Conquest in 1066, where they held extensive amounts of land.[7] In 1608 the Banastres demolished part of the timber structure of the old manor house and built the first phase of the present hall. The new manor house was rectangular with two rooms to the east and a room and staircase to the west of a central grand hall which had a screen and fireplace. It is possible that the 1608 house had a timber extension on the site of the east wing.[8]" --J3Mrs (talk) 17:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Without being rude I'm afraid you won't get anywhere with the article as it is. I'm not even sure what to suggest. The fail at GAN was as much to the amount of irrelevant info as the need for a serious copyedit. You did receive some poor advice on the quality of the article before you submitted it. My copyediting won't get it anywhere. All I have tried to do is make it readable. You really are quite wrong when you think readers need every detail, most people don't persist if the article strays from the topic. Perhaps you could hive off the gardens to a Bank Hall Gardens article, and the residents, well I suppose if they're notable they should have articles but whether they are notable is another thing. I know they only warrant a sentence in the article. You need a lot more info about the hall itself. Is there a library where you could get a book? You need something like Pevsner. The Buildings of England: North Lancashire or a good local book, not by the action group. You also need some stronger references for GAN too and use inline citations, like the Christopher Saxton citation you copied fron Atherton Hall as well as citing book pages. I realise you have put a lot of work into this, but you did ask.--J3Mrs (talk) 22:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I did ask, your right, and thanks. I think i will make a Bank Hall Gardens page and take all that stuff there, and just mention them briefly in the main Bank Hall article, this is what i have needed, somone to say what is the wikipedia standards and which bits i should make into their own section. Do you think if I make a Bank Hall Gardens seperate page, i should do the same for the Estate? The residents make up the Hall's history as they have had the most impact on the place over its different periods and familys. To be honest there isnt alot of information about the hall available other than from what the action group have researched and published in a couple of books. There is information at the record office in preston but the majority is classed as Action Group research and would be first hand research which i read cannot go on wikipedia. Your view is much appreciated. Bankhallbretherton (talk) 22:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


 * After the Leigh Kecks the residents were just tenants who paid rent. They really aren't important to the article. Bank Hall is in the Pevsner book but it only shows a snippet view online.--J3Mrs (talk) 23:32, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I've gone through the rest and am now going into my real garden to do something similar, serious pruning. I have removed many ref to the BHAG as the article needs to be neutral. Please don't think this copyedit means the article is any nearer GA status, I'm afraid that with so little about the Hall and so much about the rest it is too unfocussed. If you do move the sections out of the article I would think the Estates would warrant a paragraph mentioning its location and the buildings (Not the people) and the gardens likewise.


 * I have reorganised some of the content. I would seriously advise you to get rid of the section on the tenants as I see there is already an article on Crippen and a redirect to Harcourt Clare. This section adds little to an understanding of Bank Hall. I found a decent ref for the architecture in the VCH and I do think the Pevsner would be useful. I doubt if my library has Lancashire volumes. The Action Group's published works will do as refs but need page numbers. Just copy the garden stuff across to your redirect and then we can summarise it for the article, same with the estate.--J3Mrs (talk) 09:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok thats fine, but the residents however are part of the history of the house, crippen was responsible for renovating the sanitation system at the hall, sir harcourt clare was the second clerk to lancashire county council and held many dinner partys at the hall and events in the gardens. seddon-browns constructed the swimming pool and where the only family to live in the fully extended 1832/3 house to its capacity as a family with kids and the last with servants, seen as the legh keck's had no kids and elizabeth died not long after the extensions where done. so i think it is best that the residents stay, residents to these old mansions are the heart and soul of the place and make up the history as you will know if you have been to any national trust properties or to bank hall it'self.Bankhallbretherton (talk) 09:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not disputing the residents' contributions, just that it is overly emphasised. Anyway I'm not sure there's much more I can do without reference material. Just remember this article shouldn't duplicate the material in another article, it can summarise it, otherwise there's no point having a link if it's all in here. If Crippen renovated the sanitation system, that's all it needs in here, not his life history, that's for another article.:-) I'll convert you in the end!--J3Mrs (talk) 10:23, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha! No i see the point very clearly and i think i just put everything into one article in a panic to get it all in, it just needs sorting oput into smaller catergories. Someone told me that a few articles should be merged into bank hall, such as carr house. I disagreed cause they are two separate buildings and i think i actually did have the view you have, that relevant info should be put into articles, however i had each tenant under a sub cat, which really bulked the article up! but i learnt that things need to be condensed alot as im not greatly experienced with wikipedia and as you will know its all about learning how to word things and lay out relevant info, or thats how i now interprate it! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 16:14, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Your first sentence says it all. You aren't the first editor to do that and you won't be the last! Just cut out the gardens and estate and when you've thought of a short paragraph on each you can add it back. Do the same with Harcourt Clare (It sounds so made up) and then think of his contribution to the house, not Lancashire County Council. Same with the others. I think it's time for you to do some of the work now.:-)--J3Mrs (talk) 18:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * i very much agree! I am ready to do some work on it now. I have already written a page for harcourt, just need to skim thru it again and then transfer it over to the main page im making for him! that bryn hall one somone has put in the discussion page that it isnt in that location, but if you look on the maps there where two collierys one is unnamed on the map and is the one nearest to bryn hall on the goolge map the old main roads and the train track still exist today! i will re instate the links to the page and have a look yourself, it is where the colliery used to be as its nxt to bryn hall hence why it was called bryn hall colliery. and is now the site of the three sisters racetrack. see what you think... :) Bankhallbretherton (talk) 19:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That someone is quite right, Three sisters is on Garswood Hall. Bryn Hall is to the north of the road, it isn't a part of Three Sisters. I have looked and you ought to change it back.--J3Mrs (talk) 21:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * no no, Bryn Hall is, but the colliery was situated next to Garswood Hall Colliery, where i said it was and can be seen on the maps. I have looked into this person as they havent got a registered account and they have been causeing trouble saying that things didnt happen or dont exist when they are clearly referenced. They have caused alot of trouble on other pages like St Helens, Merseyside page. So we will have to watch the page to see if they try to change it back! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 22:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We have some old OS maps, whoever the IP is, they are right about this.--J3Mrs (talk) 22:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Where exactly was the colliery then? Im confused of its exact location, cause on the map there are two collierys one named and one unamed and the unamed one is closest to Bryn Hall.... hmmm... Bankhallbretherton (talk) 22:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have looked again and the circle you refer to appears to be Bryn Gates. I think Bryn Hall was to the north of Bryn Hall. My opinion. I think it was closed by the time of the Location map, hence no circle.--J3Mrs (talk) 22:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I think it is all Garswood Hall--J3Mrs (talk) 22:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

hmmm.... ok... seems a bit odd having two circles though, maybe it had just shut but was still on the map as a colliery site as a circle? Bankhallbretherton (talk) 22:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Look on here, 1908 map, search for Bryn Hall. Its very close to Bryn Hall, infact to the west.--J3Mrs (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Anderton, Lancashire
Thanks for the help, it looks better already, well done,(having problems with the button on the top for signing it keeps putting it in wrong place, think I have found where it went and moved it to here, but if its landed elsehwhere it was not intentional) -PL.-Snr (talk) 02:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Its ok! i like developing the villages/hamelets and some towns in my local area along with identifying historic buildings and places of interest and adding then to wiki! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 18:54, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nominations
I think that, if you look at the criteria for DYK here, you'll realise that the article is simply not eligible. DYK is for new or recently expanded articles, and the Bank Hall article was created in 2008. To make it eligible you would need to expand it further, to five times its current length (!) You might instead want to nominate it as a Good Article (GA) - that is something in which I have absolutely no experience, I'm afraid, but I'm sure you could find others who would be happy to help. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you're right, although I can't help noticing that the article actually seems to have shrunk in recent months! Anyway, you may want to withdraw or strike out your nomination on the DYK page, so that no-one there spends more time on it.  Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Re Bank Hall Gardens - sorry, but the expansion was not within the last five days. You would now need to expand it by a further five times to be eligible.  The knack for DYK is to nominate an article as soon as (or a day or two after the day) you create it or start expanding it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Interference
I regret to say that, in innocence and ignorance, I have written two new articles in which I have just discovered, you have an interest, St Mary's Church, Tarleton and Becconsall Old Church. My reason for this is that I am creating a list of the churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England in my sandbox here, and before moving it into the main space I want to ensure that every church in the list has an article; where one is not already written, I write one myself. If you can improve these articles (with inline citations from reliable sources, of course) please do so. If you want to reply to this message, do so here, as I shall be watching this page. Cheers.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello! thats great im really glad you made the pages, even if i was onto the job myself... haha really want to get all local major buildings on wikipedia. have you made one for Holy Trinity, Tarleton yet? if not i will help on that if you want? I have just been away on holiday so sorry for my late reply! If i can dig any more info out about St Mary's Church, Tarleton then i will add it! Aparently it was first constructed by a member of the Leigh Family from Bank Hall, not sure which one or if I have a reference for it but i think it was either Elizabeth or Lettice Leigh (George Anthony Legh Keck's grandma).

I look forward to working with you on the pages. Bankhallbretherton (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kingsway, Southport
Hello! Your submission of Kingsway, Southport at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I reviewed your hook nomination on 16 September, saying that I did a lot of editing and more research to improve the article, but it still lacks proper citations in many paragraphs. When you add the references for these statements, it should be ready for DYK. However, as you didn't respond on a timely basis, on September 18 the nomination was removed from the DYK page. Usually I see the nominations being removed after 5 days of no response, so you could probably contest this if you improve the article today and I resubmit it to DYK. Please let me know. Yoninah (talk) 09:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * well unfortunatley i couldnt access a computer as i was on holiday abroard, which is understandable that I wouldnt access a computer, as i came back late last night and only accessed this morning I would like to contest it if I can find more references.

Thanks Bankhallbretherton (talk) 10:42, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Laxton's Superb (apple)
Hello! Your submission of Laxton's Superb (apple) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! PM800 (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I've left a comment too. SmartSE (talk) 16:34, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hall
This article is in considerably better shape since I removed most of the uninteresting trivia, and copyedited it, yet you persist in adding stuff about people who never lived there. I simply do not understand why you think someone coming to read about the hall would want to read this stuff. I have said before it's not a place for dumping unrelated trivia, it's supposed to be about the hall.--J3Mrs (talk) 20:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As I have also said before the history of a house is made by the people who lived there and/or owned it. What you may think is "trivia" other people may find interesting and is taken from questions that visitors to Bank Hall and students while studying Bank Hall have asked on numerous occasions in the past. So I would most certainly say that the so called "trivia" is relevant and in demand and should therefore be available to those who wish to learn about the hall and its history, occupants, gardens, etc... Bankhallbretherton (talk) 20:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You appear to be far too involved to make decisions about what is encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not the voice of an action group, it is an encyclopedia and you appear to taking on Ownership of these articles.--J3Mrs (talk) 21:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia's are about factual information, which is the information i am providing that you feel the need to edit. An encyclopedia is a body of knowledge that includes EVERYTHING relevant about the subject, in this case Bank Hall... the family/residents and ownership, architecture, extensions and additions to the building and by whom, what happened to the building throughout different time periods eg WWII, the current state, and plans for restoration and what the future may hold. People come on to wikipedia to find out information about a subject, by reading the bank hall article they will get ALL the information they will need to know the facts about the house. Bankhallbretherton (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Bretherton
I refer you to WP:UNDUE as regards your recent additions to Bretherton. This article is about the village as a whole and not another platform for Bank Hall.--J3Mrs (talk) 23:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC
 * Yes but the action group is part of the community with many members coming from the village and local area and villagers having been part of the group and still are. It is not another platform for Bank Hall... but for the community and village of bretherton... Bank Hall is in Bretherton and is why the building is heavily documented. Anyway the edit was about the Action Group and community! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 00:19, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I refer you to the letter on the Bank Hall page, too much about one aspect.--J3Mrs (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You do the article no favours, any interested editor could click the blue links. Its a pity Wikipedia policies take second place to your Bank Hall campaign. You have provided no further interesting information for all your bluster and angry edit summaries. You do realise constant repetition is more likely to turn readers away as they've seen it all before. My understanding is that the campaign is not universally popular, but what do I know? It would also be polite to use citations like the rest of the article rather than the basic bare url. I trust you have read WP:UNDUE.--J3Mrs (talk) 17:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree what do you know...?? not the facts thats for sure... I dont know why you bother to edit these pages if your going to edit to "your liking" and when you dont know a thing about these pages just as somone else pointed out on your first edit on this page, and you admitted yourself you had to research it. Why not leave it to the people that know about the area, its like i wouldnt edit your rivington pages cause i dont know enough about them, so why do you bother here? Bankhallbretherton (talk) 18:09, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

But I was told to leave Rivington alone but it got to GA! I edit lots of things and won't be told what to do. The article is now readable and more encyclopedic:-)--J3Mrs (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Clearly.. you missed the point... you are editing things out that are correct, Bank Bridge is in tarleton as one example and you dont know the facts about it so thats information lost. You may aswell pick a place in china and start editing that page, but whos to say what you have edited is right? Thats why wikipedia will NEVER be a reliable source despite the edits and seems quite pointless which means a GA article status is not actually that good, but only to the people that may have rated it as that. Edit what you want about Bank Hall, Bretherton and these other places but it wont be updated with correct inforamtion that should be there from someone that actually knows the place and not from the person that has just researched it that does not know what they are talking about. Basically what comes from the organ grinder and not the monkey! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I have provided more factual information and reliable references in a couple of weeks than has been added to the article since it was started. OK I got the bridge wrong but it is virtually on the boundary, no big deal on my part. You really do WP:OWN these articles and that's what rattles.--J3Mrs (talk) 23:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It shows obviously that you have something dead against me, I just want the correct information in these articles as i have a vested interest in them Bankhallbretherton (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't have an opinion on editors only edits but do I object to being told to go away or being called a vandal, WP:NPA. My objective in editing is to write neutral articles with good references in as few words as possible without over linking and interminable repetition. I've actually made a few odd errors, missed out odd words, but I have remained neutral unlike you who "have a vested interest" WP:OWN.--J3Mrs (talk) 23:57, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You edit things far too much so much so that the article becomes you own and you may not realise but you actually end up "owning" the article yourself, by editing it so much and reverting edits made by others... bit pot and kettle really Bankhallbretherton (talk) 02:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * No I edit first to improve then to prevent the article deteriorating or losing focus, bit of a difference between that and your "vested interest".


 * Forgive my intrusion, but this discussion seems to be going round in circles. It's fine to have a special interest and to want to bring this to the attention of the readers of WP.  But it must be done in the style of an encyclopedia, and not in the fashion of an action statement or a tourist guide.  You have received quite a lot of advice from more experienced editors (not only from J3Mrs), and you do not seem to really be receiving the message(s).  At the end of your  failed GAN you asked for advice.  Now you are getting it you do not like it.  We all have to step back from our passionate interests, and present them in encyclopaedic form rather than in the manner of a campaign.  In this way you will achieve more interest in "your" articles (which of course you do not "own" anyway).  Having said this, good luck in your editing, and enjoy it.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * There is a difference between advising and taking over and doing all the edits, maybe if i learnt from my own mistakes as said previously editing information out that is factual and ok it needs references but im sure many wikipedia articles have info without references and also people may still be trying to find them to validate. If i hadnt created any of these pages then the information would not be there in the first place, thats the thing i have provided nearly all the information and references but when they get edited by someone who doesnt know that the information they are editing is valid or should be worded in a specific way so the reader doesnt get the wrong end of the stick. I asked for advice and guideance so i could edit the article but instead i get told that i am too involved. Maybe thats a bad thing for wikipedia but not for overseeing that the content is factual and not missed. For instance i was told that the residence of bank hall where irrelevant. Im sorry but they make up the history of the place as do any residence of any building. I really cant be bothered arguing about this any more, now i have said my bit I think I will take side lines for a bit. Another thing wikipedia i keep being reminded is an encyclopedia. Pick up an encyclopedia in a book shop and you wont find half the stuff you find on here... hence its a modern encyclopedia and people need to realise that it wont be what they are calling it so there are going to be differences. Bankhallbretherton (talk) 13:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Lists of minor Coronation Street characters
Thought this discussion might be of interest to you, would love your opinion. Ooh, Fruity  @  Ooh, Chatty  19:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Request not to continue adding trivia
Please do not continue to add trivia to the Bretherton article. Bank Hall and its flowers are mentioned in enough articles without adding tourist type information to this settlement article. You have been told this by other editors. Reference to a website that includes your user name adds to the argument for POV and undue weight being given to trivial details.--J3Mrs (talk) 19:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

So everything you dont agree with will be deleted and known as trivia?
Regarding your post on my talk page regarding my edits. I am starting to find a pattern of anything i add to articles that you do not agree with, you class as "trivia". I have not been told by other editors, just yourself about adding "trivia" as it is you and only you that seem to have a problem with anything related to bank hall and any edit i seem to do. If we are going of what other wikipedia users have said then i have seen that you have been accused of stalking other people before on here. which i can agree with, as i can say that is how I also feel, I have even edited articles that you have never edited before and you stick your foot in when you clearly do not know the facts and when you have no history with the article. I dont see the reason why you need to do this. If you actually knew bretherton, then you would know that the village is known for the snowdrops as i stated in my edit. As for the reference, it should not matter what my user name is, if the article written was written by a proffesional and published not done by myself but by the group in question then I am perfectly entitled to use it as a reference, i can even reference the persons name that made the document if that resolves the issue! I strongly believe in only editing on wikipedia the things you know, like i dont go editing every article you make a post on so why do you feel the need to do it to me? I dont understand why you edit things you clearly do not know about. Bankhallbretherton (talk) 00:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


 * To clarify matters I refer you to Tendentious editing. You continue to promote your pet project even though you have been informed by other editors it is not a good thing--J3Mrs (talk) 08:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC).

You clearly have some type of issue which i cannot get my head round to why you are so rude and awkward, i know im not the only person you have had run ins with before but the way you edit everything i post pretty much is a form of internet stalking and is quite worrying that someone would even do that and is most certainly "not a good thing". You have said before that i need to distance myself from certain pages and not be attatched to them, maybe you need to do that with me!? Bankhallbretherton (talk) 22:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Username policy notice
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. However, I noticed that your username (Bankhallbretherton) may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it is identical to the first part of http://bankhallbretherton.webs.com/, and you contribute a lot to the Bretherton article. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username, or you may simply create a new account and use that for editing. Thank you. --Bbb23 (talk) 20:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi I have actually wanted to change my username for some time but didnt know how to or if i was allowed? please could you help me change it? I dont understand what relevancy it has to "http://bankhallbretherton.webs.com/" as i have just referenced that website and i have nothing to do with personally. Also I contribute to the Bretherton article alot as I have a big interest in the village as i am part of the community there. I have had problems with editing under this username as there has been an editor who has personal issues with me for some unknown reason which has included stalking articles related to my username and removing information that is factual and related to the article to which i have been accused of many negative things. I have tried to resolve the issue but this certain editor seems to be very rude and keep watching every edit I make, which has even included editing other pages that they have had nothing to do with in the past until i have edited it! If you could help me change the username i would be very greatful Bankhallbretherton (talk) 22:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert on this, but look at Changing username and see if you can follow it. If you have questions, let me know.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

cheers, its ok thank you for your help! it seems hard to follow but i have managed to contact someone, many thanks for your help in helping me try to resolve a long running issue! Bankhallbretherton (talk) 22:30, 13 February 2011 (UTC)