User talk:Barbasca

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Removing a source on Maria Yudina
Hi,

Can't see how quoting a source can be "Cross-wiki abuse". Please address this topic on the Talk:Maria Yudina page before making this change again. Thank you!

== Peter NYC (talk) 07:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi,


 * Looking at your other edits, some of which I reverted, I may get what you are doing, but would you please explain more? As you seem to be new, your edits are hard to understand unless you provide more details. Thank you!


 * == Peter NYC (talk) 08:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Peter, Sorry for not explaining more the deletions I did. I'm usually active in the German language wiki and there someone noted that more and more (nonsense) references where added with a wiki-link to Jean-Pierre Thiollet (btw many of them mentioning the same p.50 in his book as in the case of Maria Yudina). Adding those references has started years ago and in many wikis but more recently their number increased considerably. Currently the IP is blocked for one month after having done several hundred edits in English and other language wikis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:861:4981:4510:0:0:0:0/64). I think that "someone" wants to appear more important than he really is and many wiki views seem to help him (https://pantheon.world/profile/person/Jean-Pierre_Thiollet/). In fact, when I did the first deletions I mentioned the name but then thought it could give him even more importance/links than he is probably worth. Should I do more deletions I will think of another wording for the explanation. Have a good time! --Barbasca (talk) 09:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Barbasca,

Thank you very much for the explanation. I guessed it would be something like that after looking at some of your other edits, hence my second message. Two things occur to me.


 * It would probably be best to use an edit summary along the lines of "Banned reference spammer operating across several international Wiki projects" when you delete this stuff.


 * A quick search shows that there are 431 articles on en.wiki containing 88 notes pour piano solo, and 439 articles containing Jean-Pierre Thiollet. Some are likely legit, but knowing that this is citation/reference spam, on others one would have to have doubts at first glance, such as in Emmanuel Macron, where Thiollet is used to reference Macron's piano playing and studies at Amiens Conservatory. Because this is so widespread it would be best to address this at WikiProject Spam and ask for advice there.

It would be good to know what the two Thiollet books referenced actually contain, in order to make it easier to detect the spammy references. Or maybe the references should be deleted wholesale and regardless, simply because this is such relatively widespread spam. You'll likely get some advice at WikiProject Spam; if nobody there is willing to give advice you can always take it to the Village pump. If you like, keep me updated with how things progress.

BTW, for some reason I didn't get a notification of your reply, maybe because you used the pipe symbol. I like to use the { {User|USERNAME} } template.

Grüße, == Peter NYC (talk) 23:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Danke, ,
 * Following your recommendation I have meanwhile contacted the WikiProject Spam and hope to get an answer. I will keep the Village pump in mind (there are still many things to discover here for me). Regarding the source I'm not sure if will be able to check it. I checked if I can get the book but libraries are currently still closed in Germany. When I found the book as a reference in the E. Macron article I asked the user who had reverted the respective entry in the Martha Argerich article and who mentioned that her name did no even appear on p.50 if she could check if Macron was mentioned at all. She said about the source: "In the book some of the names are actually mentioned - as an enumeration - but the added value of the reference is below zero. In terms of content, the book offers nothing useful to the biographies (that the mentioned pianists play the piano was already known and certainly does not have to be explicitly proven by this work)." Regarding my question regarding the specific page she could not take care because she was overloaded in her job. Shortly after her answer she requested to be blocked globally. This is really sad, not only because I cannot ask her again.
 * Should I get any news I'll let you know. Schöne Grüße zurück --Barbasca (talk) 23:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)