User talk:Barbetorte

Travail en perruque
You ask what the English for this phrase would be. I'm not sure; a literal translation is "work in wig". From your description it sounds like you mean "doing personal work on company time, using your employer's workspace, tools, office machines, etc. to produce work for oneself". Does this mean secretly, without the company's approval? Is that why "in wig", as in hidden?

If that's the correct concept you're trying to express, I don't think there's a specific English phrase for it, though it certainly occurs. I've used the office copier for myself on occasion (shh, don't tell anyone). I've heard of it, though, not just for office workers but for factory workers using the machines to turn out trinkets for household use. I don't know how you would express a concept like it in an English Wikipedia article. The closest phrase I can think of is "on company time", but that's not really a good foundation for an article. I would almost be tempted to suggest creating the article with the French title.... Fnarf999 15:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Reply: I'm sorry, I don't speak French at all, and I'm not qualified to write such an article. Fnarf999 19:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's generally referred to as theft of company time and supplies. I don't think there's a word for it because most places will fire you for it. :) Kafziel 03:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't think of or find any English word/phrase for it either. The closest word I can think of is business on the side, or side-business, but that doesn't have to be with your employer's time/equipment.

side business on the company's time or side business out of your cubicle.... not a catchy phrase. Gzuckier 18:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17234
 * http://www.opengroup.org/security/papers/pc_week/story06.htm
 * http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1186321,00.html
 * http://www.goldenwords.net/issues/article.php?id=401-16

Mesoamerica
I used your fantastic icon on Template:WP Mesoamerica! &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I am ...proud ! The fr:Wikipedia took the grey version one year ago, and as far as I am concerned, the color one is better and much more accurate. So, you made the good choice, Martin ! --Barbetorte (talk) 11:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Meulan
Hi Barbetorte,

Personally I am quit happy that after about 4,5 years digging on Internet and Musea I found some resonable reliable information on this one:-) The name differs from document to document. Olympic monotype it self is not unique since there where some others. Also the Addition Olympic is not allowed (anymore). The Olympic classes are not allowed to call themself Olympic classes:-(. Meulan was used in some old magazines (1923) over here but I agree that was just a name given by one or two journalists. For me that was just a workaround.

The Dutch/Belgium class has some different measurements (among other things 10cm smaller and less sail and no spinnaker) so we can not use Scheldejol.

I have tried ISAF early 2008 for this one and to get more info on the the 18 foot Dinghy of 1920 but they could not help me.

I agree that we must come up with something better. What do you think off French National Monotype 1924? When we settle on a name can we leave the link to Meulan intact so that it links to the new name?

RegardsNED33 (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * French National Monotype 1924 is a perfect name for me. And Meulan (sailboat) will be a redirection to the new name. No problem. --Barbetorte (talk) 19:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. What about the suggestion of me that the organizing committee came short of a six boats and they used the Scheldejol as extra and even then they needed a 17th one? We know for sure there where 6 boats with different measurements.NED33 (talk) 20:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

An other question. Do you happen to know also a bit more about the 18 foot dinghy used in 1920? Any pictures or drawings maybe dimentions or class insigna? NED33 (talk) 20:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * About the 1924 dinghy : I dont know much more than what is written in the official olympic report and in the book of Pierre Belugou I used in reference for french article Monotype national. It seems to me that all boats has been built by the same boat builder, even the 17 sails sets were coming from a unique source. But the official report does not say the name of the company(ies) who built the boats. About the 18 foot dinghy 1920, I am in the fog ! I did not found any paper for his description. --Barbetorte (talk) 21:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ThanksNED33 (talk) 09:45, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Problems with 6.5 metre an Ton classes 1900
Dear Barbetorte,

First I like to express the good feeling that I have since we are communicating about the history of the former Olympic classes. Since the start of the Vintage Yachting Games idea (about 2005) i'm digging into the history of the classes involved and many times I was disappointed how bad history of such an important area of sailing is preserved. Even at the committees and federations involved it is hard to get (right) information (if any). E.g. within ISAF is seems impossible to get the right information of which person on board was the helmsman. So it is good to meet a person who knows where he is talking about.

About the 6.5 Metre I have mixed info too. I'm glad you have changed it already. Besides that I'm trying to get even more info from the family of Mr. Carp the gold medalist of the event yacht club and from the Metre association (pictures and so on).

With the Vintage Yachting Games Organization we have several objects:
 * For the participating discontinued Olympic classes we organize every four years the Vintage Yachting Games Next, a true Post Olympic event, next event 2012 at Lake Como.
 * Try to conservate the history and heritage of the former Olympic Classes
 * Give sailors a true alternative for the Olympic Games if time or classes does not suit their lives
 * Supply a quality mark for classes. These Vintage Yachting Classes provide the sailing world for many years in the past and also many years to come a high level of international regatta sailing

So thanks again for your help and I hope we can continue to work together to improve the quality of the articles on Wikipedia.

PS I apologize, my knowledge of the France language is very limited (à droite, à gauche, tout droit:))

Regards

NED33 (talk) 12:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

PS2: I hope you can agree with the (re)new(ed) entries of 6.5 Metre • 8.5 Metre • 9 Metre and Ton Classes (½, ½–1, 1–2, 2–3, 3–10, 10–20, & Open)

NED33 (talk) 17:07, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes ! It looks good ! ( I am going to add some information which will interest you, into the talk page of 18 foot dinghy. I put these data in talk page sothat it is easier to follow.) --Barbetorte (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Olympic Classes 1972
Hi,

Is it possible for you to make a better one for my attempt of ?

Thanks in advance, NED33 (talk) 13:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will draw that all in vectors with Inkscape. --Barbetorte (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC) And add RS:X ! No not the RSX, it was in 1972 ! (I was sleeping, just before)
 * Thank you very much.NED33 (talk) 15:17, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * WOW!

Thank you. NED33 (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Sailing at the 1896 Summer Olympics
Hi,

I't me again:-) In the upgrade of sailing at the .... Summer Olympics I also added 1896!. Some controversion has arisan about this. Since sailing was a Olympic sport as well as that it was on the program I like to keep it as separate article. Can you please shine your light about this issue?

RegardsNED33 (talk) 21:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not make enought posts in en:WP to write "Keep" or "Delete" in the discussion. But I think it is not so important, even if you put 1896 in some sheets. Forget that, you will not winn against the "Wikiproject Olympics consensus" !! --Barbetorte (talk) 22:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Sailing at the...
Hi, I just saw the new ones. They look better all the time. Specially the tonners are a eye opener for me. Regards and complements. NED33 (talk) 18:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What a team:-)NED33 (talk) 07:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We are the best ! I discovered at this occasion, than few dinghies 5 meters long, copy of Davis Lark dinghy, copy of Sorceress designed by Linton Hope were used as 0-0.5 tonners at the 1900 Olympics. They became the famous (in France) one-design fr:Monotype de Chatou at the begining of Yacht Club de l'Ile-de-France in 1901. Names of boats and sailors are in the historic of YCIF, I referenced it in the fr:WP article. And there is nothing about Olympics (or Exposition universelle de Paris 1900), in this history ! I just discovered that by the names of dinghy-boats and the name of their owners who are the same in YCIF history of Porc-épic Monotype de Chatou dinghy than in Olympics results!! (Texier, Monod, Souriceau, Sarcelle...) Perhaps all competitors were not using Davis-Hope-Texier design, but this sort of small scow (5,05 meters long !) represents pretty well the smallest class. Obviously, they were not designed to the Godinet rule, they were just only very small! It is not the same for One-tonners, (a kind of scow, too, but some of them were keelboats) specially designed to Godinet rule, they are 0.99 T, and one of them, who was 1.01 T, was removed of this class by the racing comity. Starting 1 T up to 10 T they seem to be specially designed to Godinet rule. Above 10 T, I dont know.
 * In fact, the big problem to find the kinds of sailboats used in 1900 Olympics is that these Olympics are not considered by specialists as Olympics : they are "Sailing at Exposition universelle de 1900 à Paris". And the results of the One Ton Cup of Cercle de la voile de Paris is much more important for historians of sailing than 1900 Paris exhibition ! So I am proud of discovering the relation between 0.5 class and Monotype de Chatou.
 * I made one big mistake in drawing of 1920 Olympic Classes : 30m2 is bigger : I made a confusion LWL/LOA, I will redraw it.
 * I try to find WHEN Metre rule boats started to put 6 ..12 on the sails. It looks like an anachronism to put 6 on the sail of old 6mR. But I did not found when they started. Do you have an idea ? --Barbetorte (talk) 09:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The Lark! That's quite a discovery. I looked them up on the web because I knew they are still used (and build) in Friesland. I mail you some pictures. I can not find the dates. The hull looks similair but in the early 1920's they start to use full battened sails. I try to find pictures of the newly build. as well.
 * I will also mail the secretarty of the 8 Metre club maybe he knows when they started to use the 6, 8 12 in the sail. On the otherhand it makes it easier for the less historic sailor to recognize them in the oicture.
 * I will add the lark into the 1900 article.
 * The Dutch entry in the 1900 Olympics was a sharpy design. Giving the starting point of the Lark this might have been a "Vrijbuiter" or "Z" class. I will include a picture in the mail as well.
 * Regards Rudy, NED33 (talk) 12:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, You are moving ahead now. I have to make some speed to stayed overlapped for the next mark... or I have to slow you down:-). So I have a question. Is the riging of the Star in the years 1948 - 1956 not too modern? I was thinking the top batten became a full batten in 1999? Thanks for your help, RudyNED33 (talk) 14:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have to check that point ! --Barbetorte (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, this is as example the gold medalist of 1952. It seems like the Jib is smaller and the main leech less curved than the modern star. It looks more like the 1936 rigg. File:1952 Star I 2958 Gold Medal.jpg.Rudy.212.127.188.208 (talk) 20:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

French capitalisation
Thanks for the thanks, and for not pursuing it further, as others have done in the past, often at interminable length. We have always found it best to cite authoritative English-language sources (Grove, as I mentioned, but also the Oxford Dictionary of Opera, the Viking/Penguin Opera Guide, etc.), since this is en.wp and not fr.wp or it.wp, etc. Happy sailing! --GuillaumeTell 15:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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