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Your submission at Articles for creation: Psychic painting (May 17)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by KylieTastic were:

The comment the reviewer left was:

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KylieTastic (talk) 16:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Psychic painting (May 18)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sulfurboy was:

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Sulfurboy (talk) 03:35, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Spiritualist art has been accepted
 Spiritualist art, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

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Thanks again, and happy editing! Sulfurboy (talk) 03:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Sex Island for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sex Island is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Sex Island until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ~ Amkgp 💬  09:43, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Deep Blue Aerospace moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Deep Blue Aerospace, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Celestina007 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Galactic Energy moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Galactic Energy, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Celestina007 (talk) 21:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Galactic Energy (June 14)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Dan arndt was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

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Dan arndt (talk) 13:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Tidepool (company)
Hello Barecode,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Tidepool (company) for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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SamHolt6 (talk) 21:32, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Project Sauron moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Project Sauron, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Megan Barris  (Lets talk📧)  11:09, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Project Sauron has been accepted
 Project Sauron, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

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Thanks again, and happy editing! ~ Amkgp 💬  18:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Supply Chain Resilience Initiative
Good day, When reviewing a new page created by you, I noticed that it is very closely paraphrased from one of its sources. This is a copyright violation. Please re-write the article using unique, non-copyrighted sentences. Since the page is so new- I wanted to give you a little time to fix this before I submitted the article to be deleted. THank you. Nightenbelle (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Supply Chain Resilience Initiative
Hello Barecode,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Supply Chain Resilience Initiative for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.

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Nightenbelle (talk) 13:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Car-centric city


The article Car-centric city has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Dictionary definition of a Neologism. None of the sources given use the term. WP:NOTDICT"

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You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. noq (talk) 20:33, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Suez Economic and Trade Cooperation Zone


A tag has been placed on Suez Economic and Trade Cooperation Zone, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. 1292simon (talk) 06:01, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Isar Aerospace moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Isar Aerospace, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. John B123 (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * - now it has 5 citation. How many citations it needs in total to be accepted?

Speedy deletion nomination of Aphelion Orbitals
Hello Barecode,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Aphelion Orbitals for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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John B123 (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Isar Aerospace (September 10)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Zppix was:

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Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 17:44, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

List of orbital launches by year moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, List of orbital launches by year, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. John B123 (talk) 22:23, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding 'Expected maiden flights' in the Timeline of spaceflight pages
Hi, I have something to comment about the section Expected maiden flights, which you added to 2020 in spaceflight and 2021 in spaceflight. The section currently fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE and potentially WP:NOTCRYSTAL. Furthermore, the 2020 version currently lacks any references. Unless the section is improved considerably (such as adding refs, clarifying what gets listed and what doesn't get listed, requesting improvement in the talk pages), it will probably get removed. For your information, a list of future launch systems is already given at Comparison of orbital launch systems (To view as a list of future launch vehicles, click on the box First located on the second row). I suggest what you added in the 'Expected maiden flights' to be moved to this page, or perhaps start a new page covering the specific topic. Kind regards, Hms1103 (talk) 14:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Psychic painting


Hello, Barecode. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Psychic painting".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Bimodal reproduction moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Bimodal reproduction, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  SMB9 9thx   my edits!  08:08, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bimodal reproduction has been accepted
 Bimodal reproduction, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Thanks again, and happy editing! Zoozaz1   talk  22:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Deep Blue Aerospace


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:38, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from Orbital Express into On-orbit satellite servicing. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g.,. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted copied template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. If you are the sole author of the prose that was copied, attribution is not required. — Diannaa (talk) 20:03, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Lucas Silverio Mendoza


A tag has been placed on Lucas Silverio Mendoza requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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Your draft article, Draft:Isar Aerospace


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:List of orbital launches by year


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:5th Passenger
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Isar Aerospace has been accepted
 Isar Aerospace, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Thanks again, and happy editing! Sionk (talk) 22:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alerts
Doug Weller talk 15:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)