User talk:Baristarim/Archive 3

Admin oylama
User:Khoikhoi admin olmak için oy topluyor. Lütfen hemen oy kullanın. Görüşlerinizi yazın. İşte benimkiler: "Strong Oppose User:Khoikhoi is leading a group of user, menaging and communicating among group genarally by e-mails not in talk pages directly.This group acting in a systematic way to revert articles, when one of member make 3rv reverts than one another continue with 4rv(against punishment for violating 3rv rule). All member of group are very radical nationalist. They are working generally Turk/Turkey and Religion related articles to put anti-Turk POV and anti-Islam POV. Some of the member are suspected as Suck poppet, one is clear; User:Tekleni and User:Tzkeai, till to 03 Oct.2006 there were two users, at that date User:Tzkeai redirected to User:Tekleni.No need like an Administrator in WIKIPEDIA Mustafa AkalpTC 11:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)" Görüşlerin iletilmesi çok önemli. Selam. İlgili link; Requests_for_adminship/Khoikhoi_2 Mustafa Akalp Mustafa Akalp TC  11:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mustafa, you've been warned twice already for campaigning against this RfA. And read wp:npa. yandman  14:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Request of assistance for vandal user behaviour by Khoikhoi
Could the administation and users take an independent look for the following reversal of useful and pertinent contributions at the Mustafa Kemal Ataturk site please? It is very difficult for me not to interpret the revision by Khoikhoi as disrespectful vandalism and disruptive behaviour. More I studied his log history at various article related to the Turkish subjects and prior bans for the same disruptive behaviour, more concerned I became. Could someone help revert the edits he damaged and request him to be more respectful to others' work? Thank you.

(cur) (last) 16:06, 10 November 2006 Khoikhoi (Talk | contribs) (rv to last version by me) (what last revision? this is a whole sale deletion and vandalism, is it not?) (cur) (last) 14:59, 10 November 2006 Incir (Talk | contribs) (→External links) (cur) (last) 14:26, 10 November 2006 88.242.84.98 (Talk) (→See also) (cur) (last) 06:19, 10 November 2006 71.162.66.250 (Talk) (→An Overview in A Nutshell) (cur) (last) 05:59, 10 November 2006 71.162.66.250 (Talk) (→International relations)

Hey Baris
Re you comment below my note regarding the spam in Khoi's RfA, if you need further explanation, let's do it outside the RfA. I'm sure you'll agree. •N i k o S il v e r• 22:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias


Hey Barış, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, &mdash; Khoikhoi 05:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Mustafa Akalp
Hey, could you please check out the discussion here? What do you think of Niko's suggestion? Would you be able to do it? &mdash; Khoikhoi 01:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Unblock
Please see my message; here, and here. Regards Mustafa Akalp TC 09:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Not a joke
Look, I included every side of the argument. Just because you may not agree with it, it's not a joke. Give me more credit than that. --AW 21:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see my talk page for the rest of the discussion. Thanks. --AW 21:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Wassup?
Hey man, how's it hanging? :-) Welcome back BTW. I just made the edit because that's what the article said for awhile, until it was recently changed. This article, for example, says "Ataturk drank to excess and liked amorous company". I know he wasn't an alcoholic, but I don't think it's a huge deal even if he was. For example, Winston Churchill, John F. Kennedy, and Franklin D. Roosevelt are all at the List of famous alcoholics page. As for the debate, I don't think we should have a section titled, "opinions on genocide". Rather, we should create a (neutral) criticism section and add the stuff there, among other things What do you think? Khoikhoi 02:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Turkish President
Thanks for the info! Not that complicated... i got it:). the turkish president has in education more privillages than he has on other fields, e.g. economy. btw, i suddenly remembered what the other field is: the law. politics are complicated, not only in Turkey, but generally in states where the head of state and the head of the government is not the same person (as it is in France and the US). in Greece we had a ridiculous incident a couple of years ago: the parliament voted for a law (not an important one), which later was found to be slightly in conflict with an article of the constitution. but the paper had already been handed to the president (Stephanopoulos at that time). so, the President signed it, and then said publicly, that he was obliged by the constitution to sign a law accepted by the majority of the parliament, even though this law was incompatible, and called for the parties to be more careful next time and not bring him in an awkward situation. of course, that law was declared invalid by the parliament the next day... But, the President of Greece has some real special powers, such as the right to dismember the parliament and to proclaim elections, or the right to declare a war. though no president ever used these powers (and, i guess noone will ever use them in the future...). (not to mention the "stupid" english law that if the Queen kills the PM, noone will be blamed for it:p). i have been watching in the news about Erdogan wanting to become president, and what Sezer and the generals say (also, what people were shouting in Etsevit's funeral). i think Turkey will be in a mess if he wil be elected... i hope not! however, for the majority of the Greeks, this does not seem important. i mean that nothing really changed, regardless if Ciller, Etcevit, Erbacan or Erdogan was on power, concerning Greco-Turkish relations. so, we more or less think that an Erdogan as president will be bad for the Turks themselves (we have taken it for granted that this does not really affects us directly). Regards Hectorian 04:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Criticism of the Quran
You may or may not have any interest in contributing to this article. We haven't put in very much of Ibn Warraq's points, for example. Maybe you'd have some interest in doing that. Arrow740 08:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Turkish History Brief
Template:Turkish History Brief has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Khosrow II 23:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Just read your explanation of the Turkish education system on Hectorian's talk page. Very good and informative. Politis 18:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hi, i noticed your absence for a while, welcome back. As you can see, not much has changed :) --A.Garnet 21:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Barış, you really gotta calm down man. It's extremely important that you don't let your emotions get the best of you. Take a deep breath and try to relax. When I get frustrated I usually get up from my computer, and do something else. However, it's important that we don't take things too far... :-( Khoikhoi 04:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of whether they are racist or not, it's best to not comment on other contributors. If anything, it stops the discussion from going anywhere. I'm glad you understand my point though. Cheers, Khoikhoi 04:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW, my suggestion Barış, is that you work more on improving articles, something that you seem to enjoy a lot more than getting into debates. As you mentioned, you were working on the separation of church and state article, right? As for my RfA, yeah it all turned out to be alright. :-) Ciao, Khoikhoi 06:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop
What do you want with me? Just because I'm an Armenian, you decide to call me a racist among other things? If anything, you're the racist, in fact, its your government that's been oppressor minorities as they aren't "pure Turkic" whether they be Kurds, Armenians, Jews, Greeks or Greek Cypriots, Assyrians, Arabs, Laz, Zazas, Georgians, Bulgarians, Serbs etc. -- Clevelander 04:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not picking on you because you are Armenian, but your post to my page shows who is a nationalist. Anyone who dares suggest that a group of people should be converted to a religion as if they are some kinda of a lost flock of sheep is racist, whether this suggestion comes from a Turk, Chinese, American or Armenian. How dare you suggest that I am criticizing you because you are Armenian???? That is extremely offending. And instead of arguing ideas you simply say "your govt is doing this, doing that". Really sad.. Baristarim 04:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't even know the meaning of the word "racist" because if you did, you wouldn't be using it so loosely. And just how does my above statement portray me as a nationalist? -- Clevelander 04:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, Baristarim, I'm frustrated at you right now for bringing in personal, unrelated talk page discussions into the debate in order to discredit me. But I forgive you and I apologize myself for maybe going off the handle too.  I want to work with you and I'd be open to working with you.  I'm all for cooperation between Turkish and Armenian editors on Wikipedia.  But please try to be respectful of others.  Kindest regards, Clevelander 04:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you know what Atatürk once said, Peace at Home, Peace in the World. Truce? :) -- Clevelander 04:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Şerefe! -- Clevelander 04:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I decided to withdraw my nomination for deletion of the article and instead we can now work constructively on it together. Armenian or Turk, Christian or Muslim. Kindest regards, Clevelander 20:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry for stalking:). This: Anyone who dares suggest that a group of people should be converted to a religion as if they are some kinda of a lost flock of sheep is racist, is correct from one point of view. However, we should not forget the extremely racist and inhuman methods used in the past to convert these people (religiously or ethnically), before saying Anyone who dares suggest this... is racist. Kind regards and happy that u have both decided to work closer (u know i can assist in everything u may ask:)...) Hectorian 21:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi
In the talk page, I wrote about the fact that religion was a stronger common denominator, since, as you said, nationalism didn't exist prior to the 19th century. Check the rest of my answer. Ciao -- Davo88 04:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I can share the same title with Davo88. I just wanted to say a hi. I appreciate your contributions to deletion discussions of Ottoman Muslim casualties and History Template. Selamlar! Okan 11:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

E104421
Hey! I didn't block anyone, but I think Karcha's ban should stay. He has proven to have been an extremely disruptive editor, with 90% of his edits being reverts, and the rest being personal attacks. However, I honestly don't care if E104421 is a sockpuppeteer or not; I was just undoing Karcha's edits. Khoikhoi 23:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I had to revert your edit at the AfD because there's a clear note at the top of the page that says:


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  


 * Khoikhoi 04:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I just really don't want this to start up again man, you (and Clevelander) can do better things with your time. Can't we do something more constructive with your time? Ok, I agree that it's not a good idea to delete comments, but isn't the AfD supposed to be closed? BTW, I had to delete a comment by Cali flower to your talk page, hope you don't mind. ;-)
 * Speaking of Turkish History Brief, I know that there's some vote stacking going on, and I was just about to report it. For example, notice how ErdemTuzun, who hasn't edited since 2002, suddenly comes out of nowhere and votes... Khoikhoi 05:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I was just using Erdem as an example, I never said we weren't going to count him. Some of the users that voted had like 5 edits, which is why I said they might be sockpuppets. All I requested is that admins check out the TfD, I never said, "don't count the Turks", or anything like that. As for Karcha, the discussion is ongoing it seems, so I'd rather not take any action until we hear from Dmcdevit. If you can show me any message boards where the template was mentioned, that would be good.
 * Again, I never said there was anything wrong with his opinion, but where do you think he heard about the nomination? I just want everything to be in-line with Wikipedia policy, that's all. Khoikhoi 05:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is getting out of hand, I'm not exactly sure what to do at this point. Also, please don't follow Khorshid around anymore, it's starting to result in negative energy, which is something we don't want. Khoikhoi 03:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Barış, can you please explain to me how you found out about this page?? Khoikhoi 01:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

(talk page spamming)
Care to join the discussion here? Khoikhoi 01:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. This was your problem. Khoikhoi 04:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Try to avoid unnecessary sarcasm
Hi, some users complain that some of your comments are off-topic, unnecessary sarcastic and plainly clutter the official pages. Lets see e.g. |this this edit of yours. What Gollum has to do with the deletion or keeping of a wikipedia template? Do you imply that you want to kill Tajik or Tajik wants to kill all the Turkish editors? Do you suggest something disrespectful about Tajik? Honestly I do not know what to answer since I probably have not completely understood the joke myself. Wikipedia is not a blog, each page here has a specific purpose, please stay focused on this purpose. Happy editing Alex Bakharev 08:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Baristam. I do not threat you with blocks or anything, just try to find some commons points with the Iranians instead of antagonizing them even more. You will make a half-step towards their position, they would make a half-step... Nobody need the situation then the best editors are occupied with the war plans instead of writing the articles. Cheers Alex Bakharev 10:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Your message to Khoikhoi
Please see Regards. Must TC 10:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

User, 3RR
Please see Afsharid dynasty page for reverts. Must TC 13:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman Muslim casualties of World War I
Don't worry, I'm sure we'll be able to find better sources eventually... Khoikhoi 03:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Stalking
Please re-read into the WP:STALK policy. You may be not aware of it but "wiki-stalking" described as following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor consider to be a serious violation of user behavior. This is distinct from following a contributor in order to clear repeated errors. Edits like, and  looks like wikistalking of User:Mardavich. I got similar complaints from the other editors on the same behavior of yours. Please do not do it again. Alex Bakharev 06:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This is groundless.. I don't know if as an admin you can see which pages I have on my watchlist, but if you can, you will see that I had all those articles on my watchlist. Please look at my contribution log, I edit and engage in up-keep tasks in many articles.. The fact that I ran into Mardavich doesn't mean that I am wikistalking. I am sorry to say this, but I have better things to do with my time then stalk him.. I have told you before about being aware of this trap: please do not fall for this. I had "Military of Armenia" on my watchlist for months, it had nothing to do with Mardavich. I made a very legitimate edit to that page, please have a look. I guarantee you, I was not stalking him. There are instances where I am contacted by e-mail about certain articles, but none of them are ever person-specific. And I was not contacted by anyone for any of the pages mentioned above. Three coincidental edits doesn't prove the gravity of the charges laid: harassment. I am also having enough of this, blatant blackmail, insults, vote-stacking campaigns.. In any case, just be assured that I was not stalking Mardavich.. I will try to be more carefull about "perceptions" then.. I just would have wished that he had contacted me before to ask me if I was actually doing so. Pff.. Have a good day in any case. Cheers! Baristarim 06:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)