User talk:Barkeep49/Sidebar closing

I've created this for us to work. My thinking is that the user page serves as our close (and which relects without statement, the consensus I see as noted below) while this can be our discussion. As a note, this is my third time reading through this in its entirity (as it existed on that date) and you'll see that there are a few places where I note that I need to do another re-read. My reading of consensus is as follows is below. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update - Consensus for with Special Pages under tools.
 * Needs to be something about implementation in general and other skins specifically here in the statement but nothing that I see which merits topline consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What's your reading on the Special Pages part of the consensus? Barkeep49 (talk) 23:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that few commented specifically on the special page aspect, I see consensus for it to go under Contribute as per the original proposal DannyS712 (talk) 23:27, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's always the tricky piece. I didn't see anyone suggesting against it though people who didn't mention it obviously outweighed those who did. So the lack of disagreement on it coupled by those in support is where I see the consensus but this is certainly a borderline call in the way that most of this RfC is not. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus against
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for
 * I don't see any overall consensus for the suggestions to A/B test or change the wording to Donate to Foundation or the like. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Moot in light of consensus for removal
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus against
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Contact us
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update
 * Somewhere between no consensus and consensus against - will need to reread later to figure out which way I think it lands- though the practical effect is the same Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm good with consensus against which is what you've noted below. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for User logs
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Change user groups for admin
 * While I need to re-read it I am leaning towards no consensus for changing wording for non-admin. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update
 * Either a weak consensus for Page tools or no consensus (my initial read is no consensus but another place which I want to revisit) Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Good with no consensus Barkeep49 (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update
 * I see a weak consensus for a change though it's less clear to me whether that change should be Print or Export. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * After discussion below ok with consensus against Barkeep49 (talk) 21:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus in favor
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update
 * I really dislike these proposals where there are only a few comments and there's is a fair amount of complexity to those comments. Anything we do here will be a major change for lots of people and this feels like a really weak consensus for doing anything. I think that needs to be noted in the overall close. But I do read a weak consensus here. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus
 * I am fine labeling this consensus against Barkeep49 (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for addition of Editing tutorial; no consensus for what that should be
 * We need to have a larger discussion about how definitive this close will be (e.g. will there need to be a confirmation RfC?) but however we decide there I think that what this points to needs its own discussion and airing for firmer consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus
 * I am fine going with Consensus against Barkeep49 (talk) 17:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus against
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus against
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for removal
 * This was close but I do see a consensus. Some statement about generalized support for resigning WP:CONTENTS seems supported by the discussion as well. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus against
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus against (maybe no consensus?)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus against
 * Tooltips
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for but moot in light of removal
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for articles on current events
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Visit a randomly selected article [Alt+Shift+x]
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Support us by donating to the Wikimedia Foundation


 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Moot in light of consensus for removal
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Learn about Wikipedia and how it works
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for change but no consensus on what that change should be
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for A list of recent changes to Wikipedia [alt-shirt-r]
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus lack of participation
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Add images or other media for use on Wikipedia [alt-shift-u]


 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus lack of participation
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Permanent link to this revision of this page'
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Weak consensus for Structured data on this page hosted by Wikidata [alt+shift+g]
 * I could be talked into no consensus given some objection, low participation, and no clarity on the comma. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:48, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for A list of logged actions by this user


 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update No consensus
 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Mute emails or notifications from this user


 * Requests_for_comment/2020_left_sidebar_update Consensus for Download this page as a PDF file

DannyS712's read through
This is based on a preliminary read through, and I will fill in the sections I missed. I'm aware that our job is to assess the consensus of editors involved in the discussion, but since some of the discussions were not based on all of the info (see phab tasks) that may be more complicated than normal. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update:
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - I see consensus against, but note that regardless of enwiki's preference, this is being worked on globally already, see T66315
 * True but it might live in that state of development for a while. If that gets implemented it gets implemented. Don't see that as necessarily a huge deal either way. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor, already closed by OhanaUnited
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor, already closed by OhanaUnited
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor, already closed by OhanaUnited
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - MOOT given removal; consensus in favor, already closed by OhanaUnited
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Contact us", already closed by OhanaUnited
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "User logs"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor
 * I see a clear consensus for leading with the verb which is the basis for this proposal. I see most of the generic supports in favor in that right with a subset of supports around specific wording. I definitely see the consensus as using the word groups rather than rights, though you could probably convince me that the consensus is for Manage user groups rather than the Change user groups that I had originally written. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * sorry I didn't note what consensus I saw - agree with change user groups DannyS712 (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for any specific change
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus
 * Strictly counting this is a no consensus. However, I still see a consensus for change; some of the opposes/neutrals are about the idea of the word export rather than preserving this. Thoughts? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see any consensus, sorry DannyS712 (talk) 17:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you explain what leads you to that reading? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * editors are evenly split, and I find the argument that not everyone is familiar with "export", coupled with the lack of a compelling reason put forward by supporters, enough to lead to no consensus DannyS712 (talk) 20:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah the neutrals in that context could be read as opposes. I am ok shifting to consensus against. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - I see consensus in favor, but participants were likely unaware of T46787, which will expand the scope of the special page to mute page notifications (thus no longer being for muting users) and am hesitant to close this as consensus in favor only for that task to render the label wrong or at least incomplete. I suggest only renaming it until that task is closed, if others would be okay with such a close?
 * All we can do is evaluate the consensus here. A new consensus could emerge after there are software updates in any number of places. It does seem more likely here than others because of the stage of the development but that's speculation that falls outside of the closer's scope. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus
 * How do you get to no consensus? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see the supports, including the proposer, a suggestion to remove, and a comment suggesting another option. I don't feel like there is consensus, but wouldn't object if you wanted to close it as consensus in favor DannyS712 (talk) 21:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor (add Help:Introduction, tooltip "Learn how to edit Wikipedia", weak consensus for "Tutorial" as the label since most supports came before the proposed label was changed)
 * I think we should close this as consensus in favor of addition. Further discussion/RfC needed about wording and where it will link to. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - withdrawn
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - withdrawn
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - weak consensus in favor of removal
 * I agree that it's a weak consensus. However, I've found labeling things weak consensus to normally be more trouble than it's worth. There are exceptions but I don't think this is one of them. You ok with that? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - weak consensus against
 * I see almost a tie when head counting and nothing weight wise or comment wise to suggest that the slight lean against means there is any kind of consensus to be found. What is your thinking in reading weak consensus against? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I went with weak consensus against based on the systematic bias argument, but its a very weak consensus and would be okay with closing as no consensus DannyS712 (talk) 21:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against, already closed by 207.161.86.162
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against, already closed by Sdkb
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "The best of Wikipedia"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus
 * How do you see no consensus? I hate these low turnout places but there's only one person opposed and it's a weak oppose at that. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see one support other than the proposer, 1 suggestion for something else, and one oppose to both the original proposal and the alternative suggestion. I think given the low turnout there isn't enough to draw consensus DannyS712 (talk) 21:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Visit a randomly selected article" (note that participants included the access key in their proposed text; that is automatically included)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Support us by donating to the Wikimedia Foundation"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - MOOT given removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Learn about Wikipedia and how it works"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of a change, only "The hub for editors" was discussed and has support
 * "The hub for editors" is probably fine but would slightly prefer just saying that consensus for wording needs to be further discussed given that it seems like we're going to be doing this in one other place at least. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of a change, weak consensus for "A list of recent changes to Wikipedia" (note that participants included the access key in their proposed text; that is automatically included)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Add images or other media for use on Wikipedia" (note that participants included the access key in their proposed text; that is automatically included)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for a change
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Permanent link to this revision of this page"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - weak consensus in favor of "Structured data on this page hosted by Wikidata" (note that participants included the access key in their proposed text; that is automatically included)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "A list of logged actions by this user"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for a change
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Mute emails or notifications from this use", however participants were likely unaware of T46787, which will expand the scope of the special page to mute page notifications (thus no longer being for muting users) and am hesitant to close this as consensus in favor only for that task to render the tooltip incomplete. There is currently no tooltip; the proposed text would be better than nothing even after the scope is expanded, and thus believe that this can be closed as consensus in favor, with a suggestion to revisit the tooltip text after the expansion of the special page
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Download this page as a PDF file"
 * the phab ticket stuff is important but all we can do is close on consensus - to say we have more information is a kind of super vote and not a weighted reading of consensus. To the extent you think it should be considered you could withdraw as a closer and participate in the discussion. Else I think we can think about that in terms of how we frame the overall close. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 22:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, will close based solely on the discussion, but can we include a note about the wikidata consensus against may be moot, and the mute consensuses may need to be revisited, in the close? DannyS712 (talk) 23:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I was suggesting. Feel free to take a crack at starting to write that on the mainpage. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:02, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What should be done about the sections already closed? DannyS712 (talk) 23:12, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? They're closed and that consensus is what it is. I don't see any issues with the sections already closed having judged consensus differently than I would have. Barkeep49 (talk) 23:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * the discussion regarding the new contribute section did not include placement of the user page-only links (contribs, block, etc) in the new layout --DannyS712 (talk) 00:35, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok I think I've compared our pieces and we're in agreement except for the few above. In terms of an overall close or reconfirmation RfC I don't see a need for either here and feel fine just closing each section with the possible exception of including our current/consensus layout chart for reference. Thoughts ? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think an overall close box should be added just to be clear that its over, and to centralize the notes about what may need to be discussed again in the future. I'll write up an overall and point by point close based on both of our comments above soon DannyS712 (talk) 21:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , apologies as I was the delay on this for a while but noting that I am planning to "go back to my roots" (e.g. focus on content creation, GA, and NPP) soon. So I am hoping we can finish this up today or tomorrow so that I can be appropriately attentive to any follow-up and discussion that is necessary. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Combined result

 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update:
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor (both), disagreement regarding section for Special Pages link
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor (both), (already closed by OhanaUnited)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor (both), (already closed by OhanaUnited)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor (both), (already closed by OhanaUnited)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - MOOT (both), (already closed by OhanaUnited)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Contact us" (both), (already closed by OhanaUnited)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "User logs" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Change user groups" for admins (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for any specific change (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus (DannyS712), consensus against (Barkeep49)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus (DannyS712), weak consensus (Barkeep49
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor (add Help:Introduction, tooltip "Learn how to edit Wikipedia", weak consensus for "Tutorial" as the label since most supports came before the proposed label was changed) (DannyS712), Consensus for addition of Editing tutorial; no consensus for what that should be (Barkeep49)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - withdrawn
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - withdrawn
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - weak consensus in favor (DannyS712), consensus in favor (Barkeep49)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (DannyS712), consensus against (maybe no consensus?) (Barkeep49)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of removal (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (DannyS712), (already closed by 207.161.86.162)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (DannyS712), (already closed by Sdkb)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "The best of Wikipedia" (both), MOOT
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus (DannyS712), consensus for articles on current events (Barkeep49)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Visit a randomly selected article" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Support us by donating to the Wikimedia Foundation" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - MOOT given removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Learn about Wikipedia and how it works" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of a change (both), only "The hub for editors" was discussed and has support (DannyS712), no consensus for what that change should be (Barkeep49
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "A list of recent changes to Wikipedia" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Add images or other media for use on Wikipedia" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for a change (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Permanent link to this revision of this page" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - weak consensus in favor of "Structured data on this page hosted by Wikidata" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "A list of logged actions by this user" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for a change (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Mute emails or notifications from this use" (both)
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Download this page as a PDF file" (both)

does this accurately reflect your current position? I've highlighted places that should be addressed before this is closed --DannyS712 (talk) 20:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * For print/export (10) I wrote consensus against but came to your position and just wrote the wrong thing; fine with a no consensus close.
 * Fine with no consensus on Printable version (12)
 * As for introduction (1) I feel pretty strongly that things were too all over the place to have any kind of consensus about wording and where it should point to. I think this needs a follow-up discussion (and/or RfC)
 * We agree that Featured content (1) should be removed. Whether to label it weak or consensus is a tactical one. As I noted yesterday I think labeling things as weak consensus undermines that consensus - it might be weak but it's still present, if it weren't present it would be no consensus. It emboldens those who feel the opposite way to challenge it.
 * We're in agreement on permanent link (3)
 * As for current events (2), the proposer supports. The second person supports but has a wording they prefer. The third person opposes. The last person supports the alternative wording. There is consensus to change there as I don't see the proposer being against that alternative wording. It's low participation but just because they didn't write support for the same thing doesn't, in my eyes, mean there's not consensus.
 * Community portal (7):If we're going to have follow-up discussions, and given the my strong feelings about introduction I think we are, I see this as needing one too. Hub for editors is probably defensible but I think, given my overall stance, this is preferable.
 * Wikidata tooltip (14): same general tactical feeling as featured content. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * So we recommend a follow-up discussion, including:
 * Introduction - consensus it should be added, needs discussion regarding wording, etc.
 * Community portal - consensus for a change, needs discussion for what to change it to
 * Perhaps also include the current events tooltip in the follow-up?
 * I'll also remove the "weak" consensus notes before the actual close, it was just included here for my reference to tell how similar our analysis was DannyS712 (talk) 23:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Including current events for follow-up works for me. In terms of mechanics I was assuming you'd post your overall draft which we'd get consensus on before doing the close? Barkeep49 (talk) 16:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was my plan DannyS712 (talk) 19:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , how's it going? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, was having some internet connectivity issues today. Will post soon DannyS712 (talk) 04:07, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Sub-discussion closes:

 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update:
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor, disagreement regarding section for Special Pages link
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against reordering
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of reordering
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for reordering
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of reordering
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of changing the label
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - MOOT
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against changing the label
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of changing the label to "Contact us"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against changing the label
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of changing the label to "User logs"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for changing the label
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Change user groups" for admins
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for any specific change
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for changing the label
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of changing the label
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for changing the label
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against changing the label
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of an addition, recommended for further discussion
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - withdrawn
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - withdrawn
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against addition
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against addition
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against addition
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus regarding removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus against autocollapsing
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "The best of Wikipedia", MOOT
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - recommended for further discussion
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Visit a randomly selected article"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Support us by donating to the Wikimedia Foundation"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - MOOT given removal
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Learn about Wikipedia and how it works"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of a change, recommended for further discussion
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "A list of recent changes to Wikipedia"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for changing the tooltip
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Add images or other media for use on Wikipedia"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for a change
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Permanent link to this revision of this page"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for changing the tooltip
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Structured data on this page hosted by Wikidata"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "A list of logged actions by this user"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - no consensus for a change
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Mute emails or notifications from this use"
 * Requests for comment/2020 left sidebar update - consensus in favor of "Download this page as a PDF file"

Remaining issues
feel free to expand on my overall statement, and please let me know if I misstated your position on any of the sub discussions. --DannyS712 (talk) 06:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Contribute section - where should the special page's link go? Recommend for further discussion?
 * Thanks for tackling the first run at this. I have made revisions to the close statement above to formalize and otherwise tighten it up a bit. Will look at the sections below soon. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Danny I understand your reading of Special Pages as not having consensus. The reason I find consensus is that of the people who mention it at all, there is a clear consensus in favor. It was brought up early and referenced frequently so I effectively count the people who say nothing as neutral on that topic and thus get to consensus. I also do not think this needs a further discussion as I find the consensus clear in the original. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Modifications look good to me. I took another look, and agree with putting special pages under tools DannyS712 (talk) 01:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I have implemented the close which just leaves your signature in appropriate places. While this page is obviously there I think when we get questions best to not refer to it directly (though we can certainly summarize our discussions). Many group RfCs are closed off wiki and while I think we benefit from the transparency and format of doing it here I also don't think drawing too much attention here is helpful in the close being accepted. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you also going to implement the changes? At least the tooltip ones are pretty easy to change DannyS712 (talk) 02:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, you didn't sign Special:Diff/960636914 DannyS712 (talk) 02:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Or Special:Diff/960637228 DannyS712 (talk) 02:59, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , per Advice on closing discussions it's the rare RfC close that I then implement. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)