User talk:Barniv

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Barniv, good luck, and have fun. -- B  music  ian  08:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. ''You appear to have a conflict of interest in editing Rami Bar-Niv and Fingering or articles pointing to them. Please consider the policies and reply here if you thing this is incorrect.'' Ariconte (talk) 11:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Barniv,


 * In addition to soapboxing, you appear to have a second account, User:Magazine1212, whose sole activity on Wikipedia so far has been to edit articles about you or related to you. This is called sockpuppetry, and is strictly forbidden by Wikipedia policy. I am surmising that Magazine1212 and Barniv are the same or related people by the commonality of interest; however, Wikipedia does have methods for identifying sockpuppets, and, should such an investigation take place and confirm my suspicions, both these accounts would be banned permanently from editing the Wikipedia.


 * I advise you to cease immediately from all editing involving Rami Bar-Niv, because of the danger of conflict of interest, and undertake the editing of other articles. I am guessing that you have a wide knowledge of classical music and piano playing, and any constructive, well-documented contributions in these areas would be welcome.


 * Regards,


 * --Ravpapa (talk) 18:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Bmusician, Ariconte and Ravpapa,
 * Thank you for your messages and welcome note.
 * Someone unrelated to me apparently Joseph10741 decided to create a page about me: Rami Bar-Niv.
 * Magazine1212, who is not me, but knows a lot about me, also got involved.
 * In the process both of them contacted me for verifying and acquiring additional and correct information about me.
 * The information I gave them got mixed up and was delivered on the page in a non-orderly manner.
 * That's when they suggested that I do some editing by myself, as not only I am alive and the main source of information, but I am also knowledgeable about the subject of music, piano, concerts, etc.
 * I did not realize that I am not allowed to edit a page about me, or add my name and my work where it is missing and should be added. If that's the (clear) case, I won't make any new edits that have to do with information about me.
 * TY,
 * barniv (Rami Bar-Niv)Barniv (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Message
Hello Mr. Bar-Niv:

You are apparently being frustrated by the actions of other users to you, such as User:Ravpapa's. I understand this frustration, I have been there. I also want to compliment you. This has something to do with your pianism. Your interpretation of the Mozart sonata K332 and Chopin Heroic Polonaise (which is my favorite Chopin piece) on YouTube is among one of the best I've heard. Of course, flawless, making very few mistakes, but also you played with great passion and emotion, which is required of Chopin. I am a professional musician myself, and it is a fact that you are one of the leading Israeli pianists in the world.
 * About COI. Just because you have a conflict of interest doesn't mean you're forbidden to edit articles related to you, you just need to exercise great caution while doing so. If there is blatant misinformation on your page, remove it quick! All articles about living people must conform to WP:BLP.
 * I do not agree with the fact that you are connected with any of the accounts listed at the Sockpuppet investigation. Unfortunately another user thought you were using those accounts and filed a report. If you did not operate any other accounts then nothing can happen to you!

Best regards, B  music  ian  14:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Bmusician Thank you for your good words re my pianism. Not only there is "blatant misinformation" on my page, it is completely destroyed now by this User:Ravpapa. Perhaps you would care to check the previous versions of the page before User:Ravpapa destroyed it and do your own edited version of the page. Please see also my recent talk on the Rami Bar-Niv Talk page. thanks again for your encouragement. Rami Barniv (talk) 15:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Mr. Bar-Niv,


 * I agree with Bmusician that you are very fine pianist. I can say so with more authority than Bmusician, since I have also heard you play in concert, not only in Youtube videos.


 * However, fortunately or unfortunately, my authority is of no account here at Wikipedia. Here we rely exclusively on published, verifiable sources of information, not on personal opinions or knowledge. And much of what was written in the article about you was not verifiable. Biographies written by yourself or your press agent and published on pay websites like pianist.com do not count as a verifiable source. Self-published books do not qualify you as an author. Calling someone a "virtuoso" or "master teacher" is mere hype, unless these words appear in quotations from a highly reliable and established source.


 * You are certainly noteworthy enough to merit an article in Wikipedia. There are reliable sources which discuss you and your career, which I have left in the article. I suggest that you take a deep breath, step back for a moment, and then reread the article. I think you will find that it now reads like a real encyclopedia article and not like a piece of fluffy PR in which readers will place little or no credence.


 * Regards,


 * --Ravpapa (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Ravpapa Thank you for the good words re my piano playing. Every word in my article before you destroyed it was verifiable, the citation work was not by any means finished yet. At the request of the 2 main editors of the article I am still working on finding proper material to support the text. I have endless piles of reviews, newspaper articles, letters, and programs of over 50 years of creativity. It takes me hours to recheck them all and choose the right ones. Now all this work seems useless and unnecessary. Instead of destroying the editors hard work you could have just asked for proper citations wherever you thought they were needed. Perhaps you should check things before you make various statements. e.g., "pianist.com" is not a paid site, I am embarrassed to say, I never paid a penny to be on any Internet site. Re self-published books, on the article page of Nadia Reisenberg it says: "Her son Robert Sherman... He and her other son Alexander co-authored a biography on their mother, Nadia Reisenberg: A Musician's Scrapbook (1985)." I do not see any citations next to this statement, nor an ISBN number, and yet, no one dared changing it. As I said, every word including "virtuoso" and "master teacher" are verifiable, I just need time to find the correct reliable sources. I've already found a good one, which is the hard copy book about the 100th anniversary of the Ron-Shulamit Conservatory. see all details on Talk:Rami Bar-Niv in my comments to yours. TY, Rami Barniv (talk) 18:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * If you feel strongly that my rewrite is inappropriate, I suggest that you ask for other editors' comments. You can do this by posting the following at the top of the talk page of the article:




 * and adding a brief statement of your concerns after this code. You can also post a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music asking for the opinion of other editors. This might be more productive than continuing to discuss it just with me. Regards, --Ravpapa (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

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=================================================================================               That's a good cop out on your part, instead of directly addressing my concerns. I've had already plenty of opinions. TY, Rami Barniv (talk) 21:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)