User talk:BaronLarf/Archive 2

Operas by title
DrG seems to now be adding Category:Operas by title to every single opera. This seems rather superfluous and a misuse of categories to me; what do you think?--BaronLarf 03:27, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that he started doing that yesterday, and this morning 3/4s of the entries on my watchlist are his adding that cat to articles. I suggest the following strategy: I am going to copy your message on my talk page to the talk page of the opera project, and answer it there more at length. It would help too if you try to articulate your objections there as well. Then I will leave a message on the Village Pump asking others to weigh in. I will also ask DrG to consult with others before creating any more categories. -- Viajero | Talk 10:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, just noticed you did this already. Never mind. -- Viajero | Talk 10:20, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Did you mention it on the WP:VP? I can't find it anywhere.  If not, I'll post it; just didn't want to duplicate.  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 14:27, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * No, go ahead. I ended up bringing it up on Wikipedia talk:Categorization . -- Viajero | Talk 14:42, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Duly added at WP:VPA. --BaronLarf 15:19, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well done. It is important convey that several of us are concerned; that it isn't a unilateral issue. -- Viajero | Talk 15:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Princeton High School
I started what I thought of as a stub of an article (probably not correctly noted as such at first, but I'm a rookie) over at Princeton High School that has since been marked as VfD and then redirected to Princeton High School, Sharonville, Ohio. Over the past couple of weeks, I wholesaley (sp?) rewrote the article and yesterday posted the much improved version. The page is still marked for deletion, and I noticed that you'd voted to keep and expand the entry. I'm curious to know what else you would like to see added to the article in terms of expanding it. --phschemguy 10:46, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * There's been a big debate over whether or not your average, everyday high school should be allowed an article on Wikipedia. I, and others, believe that they should (with a few cavaets).  Others believe that there should be a requirement of "notability" about the school before letting it stay.  Sad to say, your article is just one of scores that have been nominated for deletion and battled over.  For a glimpse at some of the debate, see Schools (proposed compromise), Wikipedia talk:Schools (discussion on compromise), Schools/Archive (previous discussion that led to attempt at compromise), WikiProject Schools (project page for schools), Watch/schoolwatch (a nonpartisan page which lists schools up for deletion), Watch/schoolwatch/Votes for deletion archive (history of attempts at deletion over the past few months).


 * How do you prevent your school from being deleted, and how do you make it better? Follow the format given at WP:PJSCH, stay away from something that might be called a Vanity page, and write things that make your school unique and, possibly (hold nose) "notable."  --BaronLarf 11:21, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

The Bartered Bride
I totally agree with your reqest to move this back. Do you think that if any opera is originally titled in a non-Latin alphabet (Russian, Chinese, Czech, Hungarian....) it should automatically be given an English page name? I think that would make an excellent addition to the opera naming proposal. --DrG 23:49, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. I've changed the language to reflect this at WikiProject_Opera. Could you mention on Talk:Prodana nevesta that you support the move back, so an admin will make it so?  Thanks much.  --BaronLarf 02:29, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 08:11, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology
I noticed we were editing this page simultaneously this morning, and I'd like to get your thoughts how the article should be improved. (Initially, I should mention I am relieved that you pulled the trigger and removed a lot of the extraneous cruft (name of student computer administrators etc.)&mdash;since I hesitated for fear of being "the bad guy," despite the fact that it clearly junked up an otherwise serviceable article.)

I attempted to consolidate some of the extracurricular activities (e.g. the Shakespeare Troupe and TJ Theatre sentences), but I'm dissatisfied how the resulting article appears as a collection of one-liners without much substance. Any suggestions, or should the whole thing be excised&mdash;perhaps in favor of a single paragraph describing such matters in summary only?

Thanks. --Ryanaxp 05:33, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Drake University
Not really sure what your problem is, but stop deleting the Drake University page. There is no case of vandalism or copyright infringement. The only site that it has direct quotes from is Answers.com which was there before I ever made edits. (comment left by Iamblueman4. Previously unsigned)
 * I have no problem other than with the poor quality of the page, hence my cleanup notice which you prompty removed. I suggest that you read a bit more about how Wikipedia works before removing any more tags.  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 23:32, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

CfD accidental deletion - oops
Thanks for catching and fixing this. Pavel Vozenilek 19:19, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Inclusion not Deletion
(AIW) can you take a look at Wikipedia "apartheid"? There is a movement to delete a two-word inclusion that is fact and true. It's gotten to the point that everyone is focused on the disputing editors and not the edit itself.

" Deletionists are disputing the following statement: "South Africa was settled initially by the Dutch, Germans and French from the 17th century onwards. English, other European settlers, and Diaspora Jews followed in the 19th century." This statement is true, and it therefore should not be deleted.69.217.125.53 15:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Apartheid

Thanks!69.217.123.174 19:06, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Is someone trying to delete the page? If not, you are misusing the term.  Also, try working towards consensus rather that spamming user pages. --BaronLarf 02:57, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

List of operas
Hey! Some excellent work there! The names and years make a good addition. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 14:43, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :^) --BaronLarf 15:14, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Ghena Dimitrova
Hey! Yeah, I saw the article a couple of days ago. I had also been thinking about writing an article about her earlier but couldn't find too much information about her. The problem was the spelling of her name which is obviously Italian... VMORO 12:31, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Hi BaronLarf,

Just dropping by to say hello: I really appreciate your excellent work on opera, an area which has needed good contributors for a long time. Oh, and cheers from a native Milwaukeean, while I'm at it... rather miss that town. Antandrus (talk)  02:13, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :^) Any support on WikiProject Opera would be greatly appreciated.  (And don't the Wisconsin and Milwaukee pages suck?  I need to get at those, too.)  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 02:55, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

User:AAAAA
Hi there! If people such as this bother you and keep adding irrelevant detail, you should probably discuss it with them (preferably with a third opinion as well). Most people are reasonable about that and will understand what is and is not encyclopedic. Those few that don't could end up blocked - adding irrelevant or nonsensical material after being repeatedly told not to is a form of vandalism. Not that I mean that you should use that as a threat, but I just meant that there's a way of dealing with them if they really don't listen. Yours, Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 08:37, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * It took me a while to figure out what you were talking about, but I assume that you're referring to Dr. Michael M. Krop High School. I had indeed brought up the subject at Talk:Dr. Michael M. Krop High School in an attempt at discussion, but I was going through a bit of high-school burnout last week, so I really didn't want to have a long debate about why the top 10 students for each year should be listed, etc. Instead of it turning into a revert war, I mentioned my concerns on the article's talk page and then posted my concerns on WP:PJSCH where I hoped others could help me and give other opinions.  (I believe that this is where you probably saw my posting.)  If you check out User talk:AAAAA, you will notice that many other people had posted their objections to his level of detail going all the way back to September of 2004; my objections had been noted their by others and ignored.  I welcome your contributions to  help solve this, if you'd like to get involved, but I've see this sort of problem on a regular basis with high school articles;  this user just is more persistent in pushing his opinion that anything and everybody at his school is notable. Cheers.  --BaronLarf 12:21, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Opera
I am giving up writing about opera. It is just too stressful. I hope all goes well for you. Peace-out --DrG 06:20, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

Thanks for the kudos
Thanks for your comment regarding Wisconsin articles. You're right, a Wisconsin/Milwaukee Wikiproject is in order someday. I created the Milwaukee article many moons ago, so I have tried to stay with it somewhat. (It was more of a shell or list, but prior to that all the page talked about was beer and partying...) I have seen your editing at the Milwaukee article; hope you can continue in between your other contributions. Keep up the good work! HollyAm 21:52, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Birthplaces
Notice the George W. Bush has him as People from Texas & People from Conneticut; I don't know that he ever lived in Conneticut, thoought his father did.Nobs01 5 July 2005 03:11 (UTC)
 * His biography lists him as being born in Connecticut, so I'd understand that listing. The category Category:People from Texas has this standard listed: "This category includes persons born in Texas and non-natives who are strongly associated with the State of Texas at any time in its history", so he meets that qualification as well.  --BaronLarf July 5, 2005 03:13 (UTC)
 * So in otherwords, a person doesn't have to be born in that state to be placed in that category.Nobs01 5 July 2005 03:16 (UTC)
 * According to that category's definitions, no. But, according to Category:People from Wisconsin, the working definition is "This is category of people born in Wisconsin, a state in the United States."  I have no interest in the list for Connecticut or Texas, but I'm trying to maintain the integrity of Wisconsin's list.  Cheers.  --BaronLarf July 5, 2005 03:18 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I had no idea wiki's policies were not uniform. Must be a States Rights issue. Thanks. Nobs01 5 July 2005 03:22 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's too bad that the policies aren't uniform; it would take a person with more fortitude than I have to try to formulate a policy, get consensus, and then enforce it on 50 different, frequently-used categories. --BaronLarf July 5, 2005 03:29 (UTC)

Major cities in North Dakota
I'd like it if you'd reconsider your vote at CFD. The idea of the category is definitely different from Metro areas. I've also made significant improvements to the implementation of the category, and have incorporated the "Largest cities" section of Template:North Dakota as a guideline for what constitutes "Major".

Please bear in mind that there is no legal differentiation between large and small communities in North Dakota. I feel that Category:Cities in North Dakota, being the full list of all communities, is inadequate, while Category:Metropolitan areas in North Dakota is too restrictive. This category fills an important niche that until now has not been met. --Alexwcovington (talk) 05:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I still believe that it's an unnecessary category. If there really needs to be a further list of cities, I believe it should be done in list form, not in a separate category with an arbitrary definition.  Cheers. --BaronLarf 05:51, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * I feel that lists are rather archaic now that Wikipedia's been supporting Categories for a while now. I'll concede the point that the category is a bit arbitrary, but it does not follow that the category is POV and will get out of hand.  It has long been the case on Wikipedia that articles have been cared for by their editors, and I think that will continue in this case.  --Alexwcovington (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Gene Nygaard and User:MatthewUND are the other major Wikipedians contributing to North Dakota articles, and I believe with their support and intervention, the category can be kept to an acceptable standard. If you have knowledge of the subject matter you are willing to contribute, then by all means, participate in the editing of the category. But a steadfast hold against "arbitrariness" is not in the best interest of the way I and others have been improving Wikipedia's coverage of North Dakota. --Alexwcovington (talk) 07:33, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I applaud your work towards improving North Dakota articles. I have no objections about any material in articles you or others have created, nor am I trying to stand in the way of your continued improvements.  My arguments behind my delete vote speak for themselves.  Cheers --BaronLarf 07:42, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Getting Porgy and Bess to FA
Hello! Loved the work you did on productions and recordings. The article has improved beyond sight over the last month, but I would be grateful if you could write a quick checklist of things we still need to do. Also, I would appreciate some comments about the leitmotifs example. It was my interpretation of the score, but perhaps I have missed the point. --Alexs letterbox 11:20, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note! I edited entirely for idiomatic flow and more specific detail. Hope you approve. --Wetman 23:59, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course! Thanks much for your additions. --BaronLarf 02:34, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

University of Wisconsin
I think you need to ask your question about moving the UW page history on an Admin's talk page or they are unlikely to see it, judging from the 3 month span without a response. --Blainster 20:11, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

I've enjoyed your participation in the Broadway WikiProject. Recently, a stub that I created for the project,, has been nominated for deletion. I apparently neglected to follow the correct procedure in creating the stub, however I do feel the stub would be useful. If you would care to add your opinion to the deletion discussion, I would be most grateful. EvilPhoenix talk 02:57, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Wisconsin
I saw that the other day on your userspace and meant to ask you about it...lemme finish up sorting through all the Wisconsin articles I can find that need my pretty stub tag slapped on them first, and then I'll get back to you w/ my thoughts on the WP:WP_W. Tomer TALK 21:23, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I've lost interest in this for a while...I haven't done the Wisconsin Sports and Wisconsin People cats and subcats. The first thing I'd like to see with WP:WPWI is how you think the project should be divided up.  I haven't looked at my watchlist all day tho, nor checked my email, and it's almost 9:30 PM.  So, I'm done with Wisconsin for today.  Tomer TALK  02:23, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * I haven't fully-formed my ideas about the WikiProject yet, though I've been toying with the idea for two months. When I saw you creating a new stub type and implementing it on lots of articles, I thought that it might be time to set up a WikiProject so we could work together on destubbing them.  I'll add more to the project page tomorrow, and help you add the stub messages on those sports and people pages.  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 05:06, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Great to see the Wisconsin WikiProject! I've only signed in for now, but will add tasks, etc. as I think of them HollyAm 04:27, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Good idea with this wikiproject! I can help out part-time, as things come up. I'm still awfully fond of Milwaukee, even after all these years. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 05:13, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Beloit College
Nice fix on my Mounds link, to Tumulus#U.S.A. - much better approach. Question, though - should the first "Mound" link also go to the same spot? Was just curious why you changed mine, but left the original that I modeled mine on....
 * I didn't see the first link, only yours. I've now changed the first one, and removed the second wikilink; consensus is to have only the first instance of a term wikilinked.  (see WP:MOS)  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 20:08, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation, and the heads up on etiquette!

Congrats. on Porgy and Bess
I would like to conglatulate you on getting Porgy and Bess to FA. The page has undergone some amazing work over the past semester, and most of it has been you. Now I need something else to occupy my time. Do you want to try another opera page? I was thinking Wagner's Ring. --Alexs letterbox 06:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd be interested in working to get another opera article to FA, but just not right at the moment. I've started an unrelated wikiproject WP:WPWI and I'm devoting my time right now at getting off the ground.  Congrats to you, too. --BaronLarf 12:43, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

RfA
I nominated you for admin: Requests for adminship. Buon fortuna, -- Viajero | Talk 23:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod
For Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod you put the WikiProject Wisconsin link on the Talk page, not the general page. Shouldn't it be on the general page? (from Johnh; originally unsigned & on User:BaronLarf)
 * The Template:WikiProject Wisconsin template goes on to the talk page, not the article page, since the message is meant for people editing and discussing articles, not those reading the article. Also, please leave messages on user talk pages (User talk:BaronLarf) rather than user pages (User:BaronLarf).  Cheers. --BaronLarf 23:43, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, if that's what you want. Sorry for marking up the wrong page (your user page). Johnh 03:36, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 23:44, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :^) I will tread this new ground cautiously. --BaronLarf 23:49, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * That went well. Have fun with new buttons...;)--Viajero | Talk 01:05, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Well deserved! Welcome to the Caba Mop Brigade!  Antandrus  (talk) 01:28, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats on your adminship! You will do well. HollyAm 02:07, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * What's the big deal? It's only a mop. ;-) Congrats! -- BD2412 talk 02:32, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats fro me too, and thanks for the kind words! No problems with support from me, you'll be a good admin. Grutness...  wha?  06:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. You impressed me greatly during the Great Jeb Bush Incident, so I have great faith you'll be an impressive admin.  Joyous  (talk) 14:31, August 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * I hope you don't mind my message to Boothy; I of course was hoping it wasn't a typo. Let me take the time to add my congratulations.  Cheers, Slac  speak up!  23:02, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It really doesn't bother me that I got 37-1 instead of 38-0; what does bother me is that Boothy used my nomination as another one of his antisocial soapboxes.  Thanks for the note. :^)  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 12:22, August 12, 2005 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) 13:52, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * How did I miss this?! Here I thought I was paying attention!  Congrats. :-)  We need more people with mops. :-)  Tomer TALK  01:32, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Re: BaronLarf's RFA
I have received your acknowledgement and you are welcome. As I also plan to become an administrator here sometime soon, you may nominate me if you would like to.--Jusjih 07:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Jusjih - I hope you don't mind that I decline; to tell you the truth, I have never run across you when editing.  Doesn't mean that I wouldn't support you, just that I'm not the person to do the nominating. Cheers.--BaronLarf 12:22, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Please do not keep undoing other people's edits without discussing them first. This is considered impolite and unproductive. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. Thank you. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 22:11, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I am aware of the 3RR rule, thank you. As you can tell be looking at the history of Talk:Truth, I was replacing text which had been repeatedly removed by an anonymous user who has since been blocked. No need to threaten me.  Cheers. --BaronLarf 22:14, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Silas Warner
Hi. I posted a bio on Silas and you reverted it. I used to work with him. I'm new to Wikipedia so I don't really know how it works. What did I do wrong?

Thanks
 * Your additions to Silas Warner were simply copied from http://www.atarimagazines.com/creative/v10n11/124_Zaron_and_the_art_of_moto.php, as I stated in that articles talk page. Copy violations cannot be tolerated.  This is why I removed your edit. --BaronLarf 21:19, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

I was pretty sure that my quote - since it credited the original publication - was ok under "fair use" however, I contacted Kevin Savetz who has permission to post the articles on the web. His response seems to ok that. I would like to resubmit my entry but before I do - what other objections to you have that would prompt you to summarily revert my edits?

-Original Message- From: Kevin Savetz Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:43 PM To: Eric Ace Subject: Re: regarding http://www.atarimagazines.com/

I short quote from that page won't be a problem - it'll fall clearly into Fair Use. A link to the article would be appreciated.

On Aug 15, 2005, at 4:49 AM, Eric Ace wrote:

>> Hi Kevin, >> >> My name is Eric Ace. I wanted to create an entry in Wikipedia for >> Silas >> Warner, who I worked with at MUSE software many years ago. I'd like to >> include a quote from Ed Zaron that appeard in an article you've >> posted on >> the web: >> >> http://www.atarimagazines.com/creative/ >> v10n11/124_Zaron_and_the_art_of_moto. >> php >> >> How would I go about inquiring about getting permission to do that? >> >> Thanks! >> >> - Eric Ace
 * Your email did not mention the GDFL. It doesn't have to be this complicated.  Just write an article in your own words and list the website as a source.  --BaronLarf 00:08, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

WVTV
You reverted the additions I made to the entry on WVTV, saying that they were copied from: http://www.milwaukee-horror-hosts.com/MilwTV.html. I happen to own that website, and am the author of that page. Most of the other Milwaukee TV station histories are, for the most part, rewrites of information on my page.

As such, I rewrote my information on WVTV and added it as a way of making that information available to folks here. Am I to assume that you don't want me to?
 * Sorry, but there's no way of showing that you are the same person who wrote the website article. In order to protect his copyrighted material, it was removed.  A rewrite of the article, with different wording, listing the website as a source would easily solve the problem. --BaronLarf 00:09, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Well, it was a rewrite. You reverted it 6 minutes after I posted it - hardly enough time to check.

The easy way to clear things up would have been for you to have gone to the website, write an email to the contact, and I would have responded that I wrote that section and that it was ok.

If we work this out, I'll write the histories of WJJA and WPXE, but I'm not going to take all of the time to do so and then have those pages reverted.
 * I was on vandalism patrol. I selected a random portion of text, googled it, and found an exact match to another portion of text.  I looked over the article and it was a match.  Wikipedians can't sit down and write letters for every copyviolation that they find.  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 11:18, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Well, you've turned me off. I was offering my material - which I've spent 100's of hours digging up - so that others might find it here organized by channel.
 * I'm sorry you feel that way. --BaronLarf 12:02, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

user:DotSix
If you block this user before getting the go-ahead from the arbcom, please remember to log this fact at policy enforcement log. Uncle Ed 22:27, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I lost my internet connection for an hour before I could do it.  --BaronLarf 23:23, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Friends of Soviet Russia
May I remove the copyright warning on the Friends of Soviet Russia page? The material cited as being possibly in violation of copyright protection is in fact not covered by copyright. It is taken from the Marxists Internet Archive which allows free use of its material, when that material is not explicitly copyrighted. MIA's 100% free pledge: http://www.marxists.org/admin/legal/charter.htm This notice applies to all texts on the MIA that are not otherwise indicated as copyrighted.

Furthermore, the original author's main and subsidiary pages do not have copyright notices:


 * http://www.marxists.org/subject/usa/eam/index.html
 * http://www.marxists.org/subject/usa/eam/fsr.html
 * http://www.marxists.org/subject/usa/eam/socialistlaborparty.html (sample of organization page).

Also, I obtained prior permission from the article's author to repost his original organizational histories from the Marxists Internet Archive on Wikipedia. Please see the Talk:Friends of Soviet Russia page for my acknowledgements.

This is a revised post, since my initial response was unclear. Cheers. DJ Silverfish 03:02, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Just a friendly notice that I am removing the copy vio from Friends of Soviet Russia. I think the allowable use of the text is suffiently clear to move ahead.  If you have any concerns, please contact me via my Talk page. DJ Silverfish 16:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Chicago meetup
''I live up in the Milwaukee area, but might be interested in a Chicago meetup. :^) --BaronLarf 00:41, August 19, 2005 (UTC)''
 * Well, you're welcome to locomotate down here to join us, but I rather doubt that we'd select a venue north of about Gurnee (assuming we ever get one together at all). Kelly Martin 00:45, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * That's fine; when you Chicago people decide upon a time and location, I might join you down there.  --BaronLarf 00:58, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on Porgy and Bess Front Page
Just wanted to drop a line and congratulate you on the Porgy and Bess article. I don't think I've seen a front page article have as few edits and vandalism as this one did. I'd say that was due to the article's overall excellent shape. Best, --Alabamaboy 00:56, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your improvements, too, and for the kind note. Cheers. --BaronLarf 04:22, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Catholic encyclopedia
I've noticed you have worked on incorporating information from the Catholic encyclopedia into wikipedia. I've created a project page for the Catholic Encyclopedia as part of the Missing encyclopedic articles project to coordinate efforts and hopefully make the work easier. Reflex Reaction 14:11, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

User categorization
Greetings, BaronLarf! Please accept this message as an invitation to categorize your user page in the category Category:Wikipedians in Wisconsin and removing your name from the Wikipedians/Wisconsin page. The page will be removed when all users have been removed. Even if you do not wish to be placed in a category, could you take a moment to remove your name from the Wikipedians/Wisconsin page? Thanks!!

To add your name to the category, please use the tag   to ensure proper sorting.

For more information, please see User categorisation and Category:Wikipedians by location. -- Roby Wayne  Talk &bull;  Hist 04:14, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello, congrats, Bjorklunden
BaronLarf, Wow. Congratulations on getting the admin tap. I hope that when you settle at your new location, you still have time for the old WP, which needs good editors. Speaking of that, I wrote an article for Björklunden based on a newspaper clipping my mother sent me (I even referenced it). It could use some treatment from a student who actually had a chance to attend something there (NPOV of course). Mention of Bjorklunden (this is a redirect) should also be added to the Lawrence page. I made some attempts, but all involved major changes to the order of the page and it's after midnight. I'll see if I have more time for both articles tomorrow. Will you do what you can? Thanks. -Acjelen 05:27, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I'll definitely take a look at it and try to help you out.  I don't get internet installed at my new place until tomorrow, but I'm hoping to become active again soon after that.  --BaronLarf 19:26, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Chicago area meetup
I've finally decided on a place for the first Wikipedia meetup in Chicago: 2 p.m. at Saturday, October 15th at Cafe Iberico, a tapas bar in the River North neighborhood of Chicago at 739 N. La Salle Drive. They have parking available and are 0.3 mile from the Chicago stop of the CTA Red Line. See their website for parking information; for transit planning use the RTA trip planner with a destination address of "739 N. La Salle Dr." Cafe Iberico has vegetarian selections for those who are so inclined (sorry, they're not very vegan-friendly, I'm afraid). The food is excellent and the environment very suitable for an informal gathering. Do check their webpage for any additional questions, or ask me. They typically cost typically costs between $10 and $15 per person; I'm willing to cover for anyone for whom this is too much (as long as we don't get too many people).

Please let me know before Saturday, October 8th (by email or on my talk page) if you're planning on coming so I can make the appropriate reservations. See you there! Oh, and please share this invitation with anyone you know of in the Chicago area who I've missed. Kelly Martin 19:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Wisconsin/Wisconsin recent changes
Just out of curiosity, how did you go about populating the list at WikiProject Wisconsin/Wisconsin recent changes? older&ne;wiser 21:53, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I manually add them by pasting the results into a spreadsheet of the output from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchangeslinked/Template:WikiProject_Wisconsin . I remove the "talk:" prefixes, and paste wikilinks of the articles, categories, images and templates into WikiProject Wisconsin/Wisconsin recent changes.  --BaronLarf 01:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Porgy and Bess
This will be much easier since it is you. I was cleaning up Category:Classical albums and discovered Category:Opera albums. What would you think about placing the Porgy and Bess recordings in a subcategory like Category:Porgy and Bess albums, Category:Porgy and Bess opera albums, Category:Albums of Porgy and Bess etc.? What to do then with the jazz albums? Anyway, I wanted to run it by you before changing anything. -Acjelen 20:04, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Works for me. This is a weird exception, since there are both opera and jazz albums based upon the original work. --BaronLarf 01:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I used Category:Porgy and Bess recordings. At the moment, only the operatic recordings are included. -Acjelen 02:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Comics RFA
I saw your personal RFA standards of at least 3,000 edits. Comics, who is currently applying for adminship, has only 286. See Requests for adminship/Comics freestylefrappe 22:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Seinfeld quote on your user page
Actually, what Jerry and George famously said was: "Not that there's anything wrong with that". Cheers JackofOz 06:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Broadway WikiProjects
Hi. You have listed yourself as a participant in one or more of the following wikiprojects: WikiProject New York Theatre WikiProject Broadway WikiProject Off/Off-Off Broadway

I wanted to send out this bulletin to re-spark interest in these projects and hopefully advance their progress. Please contribute in any spare time you may have, in order to make this section of wikipedia even better.

If you know anyone who may be interested in working on this project, please say something to them.

Clarkefreak &#8734; 02:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks you very much for all that you have done to help with the Wisconsin School Pages. It is very appreciated.

Long time no talk. I see, given your contribs, that something has been keeping you quite busy of late. I'm writing tho, because I'm beginning to become mildly concerned about what might have happened to User:HollyAm... Any ideas? Tom e rtalk 02:18, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no idea. I abruptly became much less active when I moved and got a new job.  I'm not sure what happend with her. --BaronLarf 17:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome
Thanks for the welcome message. I've thrown myself down user page. Do you have a perferred genre of opera? Is this the proper location for such a question?
 * Thaumato 20:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back
Good to see you around again. Welcome back! Btw the April issue of Milwaukee Magazine was supposed to have a piece on Wikipedia (I can only get the online version where I live though). Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 21:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I really can't say how long I'll be able to stick around before my job starts sucking up too much of my time again, but it's good to be Wikipedia-ing again.  I think I overdid it last time around, and got burned out.  Let me know if you find out anything more about that magazine article; I can't find out anything about it at the Milwaukee Magazine website.  Cheers --BaronLarf 21:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Beer info box
It has been suggested by User:BrianSmithson that the Beer and brewery categories should be renamed. The proposal has been supported by User:Syrthiss, and supported and expanded by myself. The notion is that the regional categories should follow the format of "Beer and breweries in Africa" /Europe/Asia/North America/South America/Oceania. "Brewers and breweries" could also be renamed "Beer and breweries by region". And all the countries should also be renamed (and merged if needed) as, for example, "Beer and breweries of Germany", "Beer and breweries of Britain", "Beer and breweries of Poland". The word in each case would be beer rather than beers to allow for general articles on beer culture in each region as well as individual beers.

Comments, suggestions, objections and simple votes to Wiki Beer Project SilkTork 14:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Camp Timberlane edits
You deleted much of the Camp Timberlane article, mostly about the camp-related podcast. The podcast is a major new "off-season" thing that everyone listens to. Can you restore it please? 66.82.9.81 21:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No. WP:N. --BaronLarf 02:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't Understand. The podcast is a very big part of Camp Timberlane, and not mentioning it in an article about Timberlane borders on censorship. Plus, you told me to get my own account. I have one, but due to something, the login doesnt stick. Know anything about it? 66.82.9.81 03:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Please don't keep deleting a perfectly good article section becuase someone wrote an essay telling you not to. At the very least, post on the talk page and then the various editors of the article about your proposed delete rather than just deleting and citing non-official policy as your reasoning. 66.82.9.81 03:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Upon your request, I separated the two topics (Timberlane/KTIM) and placed a short summary in the Timberlane article. But now some other admin wants me to merge it back. At least he told me with a notice on the page rather than taking action straightaway. 66.82.9.81 03:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * In view of the fact that this user appears to be referencing me (although I should note that I'm not an admin), I write to direct your attention to KTIM Online, the article about which he writes and an article that I PRODded a bit ago. Surely the station itself, and especially the podcasts thence issuing, is non-notable, and so I imagine that if the PROD tag is removed, the article will be deleted at AfD.  Even as I've only looked cursorily at the Camp Timberlane article, I think you are altogether correct that the information as appended is non-notable, and, for that reason, I wouldn't support a merge.  Inasmuch, though, as the user seems to have been relatively cordial and to have attempted to comply with policy in his creation of the article, I don't think the "merge" tag is applied in bad faith; I think simply that he/she fails to understand that, irrespective of one's politeness or compliance with otherwise applicable policies, that which is non-notable is non-notable (whether as a standalone article or as part of a broader art).  For my part, then, I think the new article should surely be deleted (although not speedied, since it seems to make some argument--however spurious--toward the notability of its subject), and I will leave you to continue what seems to be altogether sound work in policing the Camp article.  Joe 03:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright.. sorry about that whole mess. One more thing: Where can I read dicussions/discuss notability? I don't like the idea that a certain number of people have to know about it for it to be in WIkipedia. If everyone knows about it, then why does it get priority over a topic that 30 people know about? How does that expand human knowledge. Sorry to criticize, and thanks for helping out. 69.19.14.23 01:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC) (Yet another post by "66.82.9.81")
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a collection of links. Notability is indeed a guideline, and it's a subjective one.  But I think you would agree that not every podcast that has 30 listeners deserves its own Wikipedia article.  For more on notability, see Articles_for_deletion/Precedents as well as all the articles on the infobox to the right of the Notability article.  Discussions can be found under the "discussion" tab.  Cheers.--BaronLarf 13:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Font on your user page?
How did you get that Lucida-ish font on your user page? Ccool2ax 13:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh heh. You must be using a mac;  it looks like Arial to us PC users.  Just click "edit" on my user page and you can copy the code.  Just don't click "save page", please. :^)  --BaronLarf 13:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Lynda Barry
Many thanks for the information about Lynda Barry. RFD 19:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. :^) I hope you don't think I'm following you around today; I'm just on a Wisconsin article kick, and some of your edits are bringing some Wisconsin articles to the top of my watchlist.  Cheers--BaronLarf 19:07, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Flurry of changes to List of opera companies
Hi! Since I put up the new list of opera companies (complied by three of us on the Opera Project), there have been a flurry of changes by first you and afterwards by E Pluribus Anthony. It's actually difficult to work it all out. Would it be possible to put your recommendations (which I probably agree with) on the List of notable opera companies (present title - not that I like it) Talk page under the explanation of what we did?

One point: you changed the category to opera companies rather than opera. At the moment all the lists are top level (i.e. under Opera) rather than sharing a category with individual items on the list. Is this wrong? It seems a common sense arrangement. After all someone who checks the opera category with want to know what is in it. Regards.

Kleinzach 14:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Apologies! I have just seen your comment on the Talk page - which I will respond to there. On the other hand my question about the categories still stands.


 * Kleinzach 14:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * First, I want to applaud you for all of your high-quality additions to opera-related articles; though I'm an admin and the third member of WP:WPO, I have had to take a wiki-break until a month ago, and was pleasantly surprised by all of the great new opera articles.
 * With the lists, I see it as pretty straight-forward that articles having to do with a specific aspect of Opera should go under that category; lists of operas go under "Operas," lists of opera houses go under "Opera Houses," lists of opera singers go under "Opera singers," and so on.  If someone is looking for a list of Opera Houses, they can simply click on "Opera houses".  At that category page, a user will see "Main article: Opera houses: Houses listed by continent, then country", making it clear that they can click on that article for a list.  The same goes for Opera companies, etc.
 * If someone is looking for lists, they can also click on the "Opera-related lists" category under the Opera category, linking them to the lists.--BaronLarf 15:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I should also applaud you for developing the opera project! I'm delighted you are back and look forward to cooperating on projects. I've been recruiting some opera enthusiasts and specialists to work on articles - mainly people who write on the Opera-L email list. They know a lot about opera but not a great deal about Wikipedia. Having an admin around to support the group and help solve technical problems will be great!
 * With regard to categories, if a list has the same category designation as an item, surely it will be listed as such? For example if the 'List of Opera Companies' is categorized as an opera company, surely it will appear as an opera company under the letter L? Isn't this a problem?
 * Kleinzach 15:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would normally be listed just plain alphabetically in the category. To get around that, the following things are done:
 * The list is given the following code for categoization: instead of .  This puts the article at the very top of the articles in the category (see Category:Operas, where List of operas is at the top of the list.)
 * The list is mentioned in the text of the category page (see Category:Operas where List of operas and List of famous operas are prominently mentioned.
 * Cheers. --BaronLarf 16:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Fine, though I see that List of famous operas still appears under 'L' on Category:Operas. (List of operas does not.) Maybe the cat is wrong? - Kleinzach 17:17, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. I've fixed it.  --BaronLarf 17:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding School Name Categorization
I hate to be pedantic on the categorization of Montgomery Blair High School, but I'm just looking for a standardization here. Does that mean Winston Churchill High School should really be under C, Thomas Sprigg Wootton High School should really be under W, Albert Einstein High School should really be under E, Colonel Zadok A. Magruder High School should really be under M, John F. Kennedy High School (Montgomery County, Maryland) should really be under K, Richard Montgomery High School should be under R, Our Lady of Good Counsel High School should be under G, and Archbishop Curley High School should really be under C, per their common names? Certainly, that seems a bit unnecessary; I think we should just stay with the official name. joturn e r 02:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I really don't feel all that strongly, so I'm not going to revert things if people change back my edits. I just saw what User:WhisperToMe was doing and it made sense to me; but he was only putting the first letter, not the whole name in, so I corrected two I saw he had done to spell out the name.  This is too minor of a thing for me to make a fuss about, so that's fine.  Cheers --BaronLarf 02:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Richard Montgomery High School
In this edit, you changed the cat key to Montgomery High School, something which I had previously removed to instead file it as Richard Montgomery High School (R, not M). As I have never heard of it refered to as just Montgomery (to prevent confusion with Montgomery Blair, perhaps?) shouldn't it go under R? Or is there some standard of which I do not know to file by last name? Thanks. -- M @  th  wiz  20  20  00:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, oops - I didn't see the above section of your talk page. -- M @  th  wiz  20  20  00:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Washington state
10 days ago, you fixed this redirect, and you appeared a bit perturbed (excusably) about it. Okay, I can clear up the confusion for you on why on earth this page (improperly) liked to the university. (The page history might help.)

Four years ago, the page was created to link to Washington. Then, two months ago, an ill-advised (probably East Coast ) user attempted to move Washington to Washington State, and subsequently "fixed" the redirect. Problem is, Washington State (with the capital S) is not the state's actual page, and it redirects to the university, as well it should. A robot then "fixed" the double redirect, automatically assuming that the redirect wanted to go to the university. Finally, you walked in and solved the problem.

What boggles my mind is how this could have possibly gone on for two entire months before someone fixed it. (Due to the Washington State redirect, Washington State University did already have a disamb header on top of the page, which probably had something to do with it...) It's also stunning that in the week after the double redirect was created, nobody noticed it enough to fix it. But in any case, thank you very much for doing so, and I've now added the page to my watchlist, so problems like this probably won't happen again. Thanks again... and happy editing! Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 00:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time for the explanation. I just figured it was some Washington State University alumni.  :^)  --BaronLarf 01:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk Ex-Yugoslavia
Talk:Kosovo- The voice of Kosovar

UW vs. UW-Madison and Wisc. schools.
It really irked me, but I'm over it. I wanted to talk to you about the possibility of overlaying on  for use in Template:Wisconsin-school-stub. I'd recommend resizing the Wisconsin map down a bit closer to the image size of the schoolhouse. I'm not much for image manipulation... Tom e rtalk 03:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have photoshop on my new computer, but I'll work on it when I get a hold of something that can merge the pix together. --BaronLarf 13:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's what I've done, in MSPaint. Lemme know if you think it's not up to par, and I'll try to do a better job.  Cheers, Tom e rtalk  02:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. :^) --BaronLarf 02:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Milwaukee
For the climate section of Milwaukee, how does, "Milwaukee's location in the Great Lakes region of the [[Midwestern United States.." I think it is important that we include the Great Lakes in the intro because being on the shores of Lake Michigan is a veyr important factor in our climate. Or do you prefer to keep it as it is without Midwest? Thanks, Shawn 22:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that the Great Lakes are important to the climate; that's why a couple paragraphs down there's a discussion of Lake Michigan and the lake effect. But the region is known as the Midwest more often than the Great Lakes region, and that's where there's a good article to link to. So, imho, the "midwest" should stay as the name of the region.  Cheers. --BaronLarf 13:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * good enough for me. --Shawn 13:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Fond du Lac Indian Reservation
I changed the template on Talk:Fond du Lac Indian Reservation to WikiProject Minnesota, since the reservation is in Minnesota. I'd support removing it from the relatedarticleslinked for WP:WPWI altogether, as the reservation is in Minnesota, and the Fond du Lac band hasn't had much of a presence in Wisconsin since the 1800s. Tom e rtalk 00:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Good call. It won't be included when I update the related links today or tomorrow.  Thanks. --BaronLarf 18:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Dhwani1989
I've been following behind User:Dhwani1989 who I am virtually certain is a sock or campaign operative. In fact, just today, I reported User:Dhwani1989 for copyvio and that block resulted. He was warned and warned, but was deleting the warnings from his talk page. Take a look at his contributions list and edits and tell me he's not with the DSCC or DNC. With elections coming up, we have to very vigilant. Merecat 03:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw this message which you copied from Talk:Russ Feingold. I think we should assume good faith; I see no reason to think he's a puppet of some political group, only that he likes putting pictures on pages about Democrats.  It's clear that he has problems with copyviolations of images.  I'm an admin, and will be watching to make sure that he doesn't continue to violate policy when he's unblocked.  Cheers --BaronLarf 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Jim Sensenbrenner
Thanks for your efforts as well. Hopefully, we'll be able to get the POV-pusher to stop messing with the article. I'm actually surprised this article isn't hit more, considering how much Sensenbrenner's been in the news lately. OCNative 11:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC) Despite my own very strong (and longstanding) opinions about Sensenbrenner and his record, I apologize for any and all ninnies who violate PoV guidelines, as well as (obviously) the actual vandalisms.--Orange Mike 16:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Camp Timberlane for Boys edits (2)
I thought on the KTIM Online AfD page a consensus was reached to include a shortened version of the paragraph about KTIM Online in the Camp Timberlane Page. How about (another) compromise: a link to the TimberWiki KTIM Online Article and one accompanying sentence? Chris  Ccool2ax  13:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --BaronLarf 13:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Your front page has been vandalized. Incase you didn't know. Chris  Ccool2ax  23:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Revert and block.  --BaronLarf 23:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Bout the "baronlarf's a dick" thing, that was an error, if you havent already see my talk page. -- Chris  Ccool2ax  23:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Thanks for the clarification, though.  Cheers.--BaronLarf 23:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to keep coming back, but i think the 11-time violence thing was probably a mistake from an edit conflict. It was 9 times before the 6 may violence, so I changed it to 10. Then you probably came upon an edit conflict when reverting and changed it to 11 or some other mishmash. I'm guessing the true vandal count is 10.

On a related note, have you considered protecting your user page? -- Chris   Ccool2ax  02:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. It was 9 back in August 2005.  Then someone vandalized it in September 2005 (I didn't change the vandalism count), plus the one yesterday, for 11.  And, nah, no need to protect it;  it only gets vandalized around once every two months.  I can handle that.  --BaronLarf 05:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Walter Ristow
The La Crosse Tribune had an article in today's paper about Walter Ristow May 7, 2006. I managed to get that article linked to the Ristow article. I also started the Chester La Follette article; he was a painter and did the painting of his cousin Senator Robert M. La Follette, Sr. in the United States Capitol. I was able to link the information about the painting to the Chester La Follette. Sometimes, I do pretty well with external links.Thank you-RFD 13:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Bob Uecker
Hi. I noticed you reverted my edits from the Bob Uecker article that I made late Friday night (early Sat. morning). Your edits are incorrect. I was watching while Uecker was on 'The Tonight Show with Jay Leno' Friday night when Leno asked him if he was born in Milwaukee. He said many people believed that he was but that he actually had been born outside Chicago while his family was traveling. He said he had always lived in Milwaukee. If you have any other information suggesting that the tonight show interview was false, please let me know. Otherwise, I do not see why Uecker would lie about his own birthplace on national television. Just wanted you to know the reason for my edits and that I am not a random vandalist :-). Thanks!
 * Thanks for your message; I still have my doubts, though. Please see Talk:Bob Uecker.--BaronLarf 17:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

IPA
Being civil in these cases hasn't worked. You and your buddies are missing the point. This is an English page. I shouldn't have to "figure out" how to pronounce something that's already in English based on this IPA gibberish. Feel free to post it, but don't remove the English pronounciation, ya dig? Wahkeenah 05:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no "buddies" on here, and I'm not removing either English pronunciation, either the IPA or your on take on it. And if you can point out to me where I can find a word spelled "Uecker" in an English dictionary, I'll give you a cookie.  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 12:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, as I say in the article, it's a homophone for the card game "Euchre". In past arguments with other IPA proponents, we have compromised on this approach: You can have your IPA stuff, and for words where the pronunciation is not necessarily obvious, it's acceptable to also say "rhymes with" or whatever. Hopefully, we are all square on this particular one. :) Wahkeenah 12:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed; that's why I haven't removed your "euchre" stuff. I just didn't want it to be thought that I was part of some IPA cabal; I've never added IPA pronunciation before. Now if someone just put up a sound file of his name, there could be no doubt.  :^)  Cheers.  --BaronLarf 14:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If we could get a sound file of him saying his own name and telling that tale of the "oleo run", we could cover both bases. The sound file is theoretically a good idea, except that it requires special software, maybe, which is a worse issue than having to learn another language. I saw there was a sound file in the Chicago article. I've heard it said "chi-KAH-go" (which is how I usually say it), "chi-KAW-go" (which is how trained radio announcers say it, or used to), "chi-KAW-guh" (which is how some of the natives say it) and probably other ways. However, it's curious that the IPA thing is not even there. There seems to be a lack of consistency. Wahkeenah 17:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)