User talk:Barts1a/Archive 2

Relaxation of restrictions
Hi Barts1a. I've started a discussion regarding your editing restictions at the Administrators Noticeboard. I am giving you leave to comment in that section at that noticeboard. The link to the section can be found here.  Worm TT( talk ) 12:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 08:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As there were no objections, I've removed those two restrictions. Remember, any uninvolved administrator can re-instate them should you return to past behaviour. I would also recommend that you do attempt to vaguely stick to them, the restrictions were placed for your own good, so returning should be done slowly.  Worm TT( talk ) 08:39, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have full intentions of doing so. At least now I know that if I spot a problem I can now report it in the right place and that it will be dealt with appropriately (And hopefully the throwing stick does not make a comeback! :P )

I'll wait 24 hours or so from now until I consider the restrictions lifted. If anyone (aside from the Baseball Fanatic socks...) has any reason to think that my restrictions should not be lifted just say so. Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 10:00, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Time's up. Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 11:36, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Pointy point points pointily
Oh, Bart. We relaxed your restrictions because we thought you'd gotten a handle on the "you don't have to police everything other people do" thing. But watching your user page/talk edits on my watchlist today, I'm really worried that you actually haven't grasped that. Wikipedia policies are unevenly enforced sometimes. That's a side effect of a lot of people doing a lot of things at a lot of places, and of the fact that consensus is a living being and can change and, sometimes, do unexpected things. None of this is stuff you should take personally - it's not your job to make everything on Wikipedia run perfectly, and that means it doesn't reflect on you in the slightest if something doesn't run as well as it could, or in the manner you think it should. Your reactions today look like you're taking it very personally that someone "got away with" something you think they shouldn't have, which seems strange to me because as I said, it's no reflection on you at all what other people might "get away with"! Can you put into words why you feel it matters so much to you, personally, that timeshift's userpage be deleted? My best guess is that you think if we fail to uphold WP:POLEMIC, the next step will be anarchy, with no one following any rules and the encyclopedia being ruined. If those are your thoughts, let me reassure you: lots of things go wonky on Wikipedia, every day, and the place hasn't fallen down around our ears yet. The community has enough common sense to bend the rules to fit what needs to be done, when rule-bending is needed. If you're upset that you're being held to strict rules but timeshift isn't, all I can tell you is that you're two different people, and you can't draw parallels between you and someone else when the odds are that very few of the same people have looked at both cases. If you wish to appeal your restrictions, you can do that. What you can't do is yell loudly about how it's not fair that someone else is allowed to do something else somewhere else entirely, because other stuff (and people) exist, and there's nothing any of us can do about that. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 23:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I was told throughout my editing life that WP:UP was a non-optional thing. There have cenrtainly been more than enough ArbCom cases taking a hard line against all POLEMIC content. My main concern is that should User:Timeshift9 be dragged to AC for an unrelated manner the arbs will see the POLEMIC content and possibly apply a large number of cautions to the community and possibly place a ban on User:Timeshift9 due to said content.(And possible de-sysopping of involved admins...) for ignoring the policy on POLEMIC... and I have seen AC throw admins and editors under a bus (and in some cases a train) for much less (In one case it was basically a couple of sentences of POLEMIC content IIRC)!
 * Another concern I have is that because the content is related to AUSTRALIAN politics then non-australian editors and admins might not even recognize it as POLEMIC content until it is pointed out to them by AC! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 06:33, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Really, you can't assume what Arbcom will do, based on your opinion. Arbcom takes a steer from the community and would take into account the MfD. That also assumes that Timeshift would be brought to Arbcom, something that is very unlikely, it's only happened to about 0.00001% of editors. Secondly, I've pointed out why the content does not breach POLEMIC, something you do not appear to have considered. Finally, I believe most editors here understand enough about politics that they can identify POLEMIC content, but please do feel free to explain why it breaches POLEMIC. However, regarding the pointy behaviour, please see below Worm TT( talk ) 08:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you please link to the diff in which you pointed out why you think the content does not violate POLEMIC because AFAIK this has not actually been pointed out in a clear enough fashion yet... Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 08:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly. In this diff I point out that whilst the material could be interpreted as polemic, it does not appear to violate POLEMIC, due to the nature and amount of the comments. Worm TT( talk ) 08:44, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the extra explanation! Would you like me to remove the comment relating to this on my userpage, or do you just want to do it yourself? Note to self: Once this discussion is over I think it's wikibreak time! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 08:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to - if there's one thing I'm always happy to do, it's explaining things. If you'd like to remove that from your userpage, I certainly won't complain, but at the same time - as long as you're not adding to it, I'm not going to make a big deal of it either. As for the wikibreak, just long enough to stop you stressing! Don't be gone too long :) Worm TT( talk ) 08:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. I'll only be gone at most for a couple of weeks... Still got to get through Black Mesa Source though so i'll be gone for at least a couple of days! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 08:57, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Warning
Barts1a, I hoped that after 24 hours, you might have moved on from this, but since you haven't, I'll put this plainly. This is textbook "disrupting the encyclopedia to make a point". You are acting in a way that you believe is disruptive - and that makes it disruptive. If you do not stop acting in this manner, I will block you. You can either discuss the content rationally here, at Timeshift's page, at an independent admin's page or at DRV - explaining why it is a problem. Or you can go to WT:UP and discuss POLEMIC in general. Or you can drop the matter. However, continuing to act in a "pointy" manner will see you blocked. Consider this a warning. Worm TT( talk ) 08:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You feel that Timeshift's page is disruptive.
 * You feel that the outcome of the MfD was incorrect, and problematic.
 * To right that wrong, you are highlighting it on your userpage and mirroring Timeshifts behavior.
 * Fine. If you must block me for pointing out non-enforcement of a rule then so be it. Hell, even remove the content that points out the non-enforcement of the rule and I won't reinstate it! If I need to be subjected to a cool down block then just go right the fuck ahead and subject me to a cool down block! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 08:32, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't do cool down blocks. They're never any good - but I'm trying to make this as plain as I can, you are complaining about this in the wrong manner. I've given you 5 routes to sort this. There may be more, but causing disruption is not one of them Worm TT( talk ) 08:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Community ban appeal
If someone could copy this to the relevant noticeboard; it would be greatly appreciated.


 * Great Ghu! Can you make this concise and clear? The longer the |text, the less likely it is to be read. Thanks--  Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do. I may have to make a TL;DR. There's a lot I need to address to have a successful appeal. Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 01:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Hopefully this TL;DR helps. I used ChatGPT to get the general format of it and used that to build this in my own words. I can't condense those points any further. Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 01:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I probably missed this, but which is your original account? Why are you not appealing via Twitbookspacetube? --  Deepfriedokra (talk) 11:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the oldest account and therefore the original account. I was community banned under twitbookspacetube, but I can’t appeal there because that account has their talk page blocked due to my misuse of it. Barts1a / Talk to me 12:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It'll take a while as the feeling in my fingers returns -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * carried over -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. Barts1a / Talk to me 14:15, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Questions When was your last edit on the project as an IP or under any account? When is the last time you evaded your block? Do you have any undeclared accounts? -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I also saw in a previous appeal that you claimed to have made positive contributions to other wikis. Can you point to any that you're proud of? Being productive on other wikis is generally seen as a good step in an appeal. Additionally, what are some things you would be interested in doing on Wikipedia if the ban is lifted? The Wordsmith Talk to me 19:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The only edit I can really say I’m proud of is my simplification of https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysaethesia_aethiopica - I honestly wouldn’t be interested in much beyond providing updated photos of places in Perth and possibly a few minor edits here and there. Barts1a / Talk to me 23:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I made one edit as an IP a couple of years ago, the last time I evaded my block would be when I created the “Sir Uncle Ned” sleeper, And if I have any undeclared accounts then that would be news to me. Barts1a / Talk to me 23:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh crap. I just remembered I made some disruptive edits in either late 2022 or early 2023 as an IP, And tripped edit filters in the process. My apologies. Barts1a / Talk to me 00:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Since it came up, here is the email I sent to TonyBallioni that was generated by ChatGPT, For those of you with access to UTRS, you can look up where I copied the email into UTRS under "twitbookspacetube" and the responses to it. - Barts1a / Talk to me 02:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I would like to file a formal ban appeal.

“Dear Wikipedia Community,

I am reaching out to you today with a heartfelt apology for the disruption caused by my excessive filing of ArbCom cases, which ultimately led to my community ban. In hindsight, I recognize the unintended consequences of my actions, and I deeply regret any harm I may have caused.

I acknowledge that, in my eagerness to hold administrators accountable, I failed to consider the well-being of fellow contributors. My approach was, in essence, like a metaphorical bull in a china shop, and I want to express my sincere apologies to those I may have affected.

While I understand that this appeal may seem like a challenging endeavor, I am committed to making amends. I am genuinely open to learning and improving my contributions to align with the collaborative spirit of Wikipedia. In any future interactions, I will ensure a more considerate and constructive approach.

I am fully aware of the importance of maintaining a positive and collaborative environment within our community, and how my editing restrictions were intended to serve this end. If given the chance, I am willing to undergo additional training or mentoring to better understand and adhere to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.

I appreciate your time and consideration of this appeal. I am hopeful that, with the support and guidance of the community, I can reintegrate and contribute more thoughtfully to Wikipedia.

Thank you for your understanding.”

———

So it seems like I’ll have to wait another six months. As much as I appreciate the support shown, it seems that my previous actions have doomed this sincere appeal. I can’t provide updated photos under a community ban. No matter how objectively punitive this ban appears to me; it is ultimately not my decision to make and I have to respect it. I had a chance at a clean break and couldn’t bring myself to it. I understand why I got the ban but that’s obviously not enough. Actions speak louder than words but I can’t commit actions to back my words with this community ban keeping me on the gallows. What will it take to get you to remove this community ban? Barts1a / Talk to me 06:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * 😢 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 06:51, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The discussion hasn't been closed and the number of comments is relatively small. As of right now opinions appear to be split. IMO it's a bit early to throw in the towel. That said, if they say not now based on recent block evasion, then you can always come back. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m not exactly optimistic. It seems like people are not reading the whole thing before !voting oppose, or are not considering that if a CU found anything beyond what I already disclosed they would be shouting it from the rooftops by now. I’m not stupid anymore. I know that the oppose !votes would influence others to trust them over independently reading the appeal. Barts1a / Talk to me 04:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Well shut my big mouth. I fully accept that this is the final chance and any disruption will encounter a swift reblock and potential reban. I heartily thank the community for their leniency. Hopefully this message doesn’t also prove to be incorrect later. Barts1a / Talk to me 03:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, assuming this thing passes, there should be no doubt that this drink is being served in the Last Chance Saloon. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Update This seems to have fallen off everyone's radar. I have posted a request at WP:CR for someone to close the discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Barts1a / Talk to me 22:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC) Barts1a / Talk to me 22:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Discussion has continued long enough and appears to have enough participation. While it's not unanimous, there appears to be a consensus to unban you at this time. You seem to have learned from his mistakes, so we can give you a Last Chance(tm). Any existing editing restrictions would need to be appealed separately, so please review them before returning. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I cannot thank the community enough for this last chance. It's up to me to make sure I back my words with actions. Reblocks are cheap and on a hair trigger, so if I screw up it'll be the end of my editing career. This time I won't fall back into the old ways. Barts1a / Talk to me 22:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC)