User talk:Basawala/Archive 1

Ayodhya
I think you needed this: Naming conventions (Chinese) --Dangerous-Boy 22:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

politics and so forth
Hi.

I read your description of your political views on your userpage. Thanks for actually taking the time to figure out where you stand on things rather than adhering to social conventions and party platforms and such.

I'm a very conservative Libertarian, myself, which means I don't agree with, say, gay marriage, but I respect the rights of the states to make laws regarding it.

I get the pleasure of alienating people on both sides of the issue.

Cricketseven 23:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I used to follow Democratic guidelines, but stopped when I realized they were not exactly what I believed in.  And yeah, I am writing too much on my politics, I was gonna shorten it, but didn't want to. Basawala 23:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Xiaor-jing
I would gladly expand both the Chinese and English versions of the article, however at the moment I have to review for my exams. Sorry for the inconvenience! --Shibo77 07:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Urdu
In response to your comment on my user page and the reverting of my edits, I did not make a biased claim or place inaccurate information on the Urdu page. I actually put the Grammar info in the article because Hindi and Urdu grammar are almost identical. It was not directly inserted in the article either. I edited the text before placing it in the article. The statement: "Sociolinguists also consider Urdu itself a variant of Hindi" is a FACT and is taken directly off the Hindi page. Keep in mind, the subject of that sentence, 'SOCIOLINGUISTS'. Ethnologue also supports this statement. I also wrote the statement about vocabulary based on Hindi and Sanskrit being colloqial as well. Please do not revert my statements without discussing them beforehand. Thank you.
 * Basawala, thanks for your concern on this issue. I just placed what I found and researched to be correct on the Urdu article. I have two sources for Urdu being a variant of Hindi: (1) [Ethnologue: Comments] (2) [Sociolinguistics of Hindi]. For the second issue regarding Sanskrit loanwords in Urdu I, as native speaker of Urdu and Hindi, found there to be a significant amount of Sanskrit borrowings in the Urdu language, such as dant (tooth), dhuan (smoke), nakhun (fingernail), aag (fire), etc. Also, since 60% of Urdu uses vocabulary from Hindi, which is based on Sanskrit (as all Indo-Aryan/Indian origin languages are), one could deduce that Urdu would also have some Sansktrit borrowings. The same is true of Persian words in Urdu. Urdu is also based on Persian, which has a singificant amount of loanwords from Arabic. Hence, we can say that Urdu (which has a large number of borrowings from Persian) also has a significant amount of loanwords from Arabic. A source that I found hepls support this argument: [Hindi-Urdu FAQ: What are the origins of Hindi and Urdu?]. Thanks for not reverting the Urdu page. I also hope there will be another expert to help us. Thank you again for all your understanding in this matter. --Jdas0706:23, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Basawala???
Um, the correct transliteration for "language person" from Devanagari is "Bhaashawaala" (spelled with the letter 'Bha' rather than 'Ba', and the 'madhyannah sha' rather than the 'danta sha'). "Basawala" is somebody who sells "Basas" (whatever they might be) for a living :) . To a native speaker of any North Indian language, 'Basawala' is hilarious.(Netaji 20:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC))

My name in Urdu/Hindi
Thanks for pointing out a possible error in the spelling of my middle name. I replaced انوپام with اَنُپم Do you think that makes a better translation of my name in Urdu from the original अनुपम? If not could you please provide me with an accurate translation. Thanks Jdas07 00:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for taking the time to respond to my querey. It was really helpful and I changed my name (in the Urdu translation) to match my Hindi script with the translation you provided. Even though I know the Devanagari script a little better, I still have a great love for the Urdu script (my family is from Lucknow and I am a part of the Methodist Church, which has used Urdu as its language in India). However, I am able to speak both Urdu and Hindi very well. When I originally put my name in the Urdu script, I was slightly unsure about the translation so I verified it with someone else's. I even put my name in a Hindi to Urdu transliterator. That is how I got the vowel marks. I'm sorry I don't know how to get them on the Urdu keyboard. However, when I find out, I will let you know. Thanks also for the insight on the alif ا and the alif madd آ. That was also very helpful and much appreciated. Thank you once again for all your help. -Jdas07 07:20, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions
Thank you for your contributions and comments! They do help and make a difference. Kitabparast 22:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Cygnus_Hansa
Do you know anything about the history of Cygnus_Hansa? He seems to be a bit belligerent and obtrusive. Kitabparast 01:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Jdas07
If I remember correctly, Jdas07 was found to be the puppetmaster of a few sock puppets. His account was suspended for three days. I think this came about during a revert war on some Pashtun page. I do hope he returns soon. Kitabparast 23:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:Hateful comments
Hi Basawala - I saw your comments on Anonymous editor's talkpage. You should not do anything, becoz a person's views are his/her own to hold. The only thing Subhash Bose did wrong was to discuss his personal views here - Wikipedia user and talkpages aren't to discuss non-Wikipedia business. I could be mistaken in that Subhash's comments were probably a deviation during a discussion about article content. Rama's arrow 13:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I am indeed sorry but Bose's comments are a criticism of a religion, not a personal attack - it is a sensitive thing to say, but its his right. Only thing is, Wikipedia is not for passing judgment on issues, so its "non-Wikipedia business," unless it concerned some article's content.


 * I am not trying to heighten any problems. You seem to think that talking straight to Magicalsaumy will heighten the problem, but this will only be if you or he is uncivil. Don't think that I'm interfering in your dispute - I'd just like y'all to keep the best interests of Wikipedia in mind. Rama's arrow  22:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not trying to heighten any problems. Rama's arrow  22:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Directness helps us to get to the point. I always like straight-shooting - I too am not criticizing y'all in particular. Its just that we all need to keep calm and focus on WP work, not inter-user issues. Cheers, Rama's arrow  22:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

ठैंक्यू वेरी मच
You posted "ठैंक्यू वेरी मच" on Rama's Arrow's talk page. I like that very much! Very clever. :-) Kitabparast 22:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You did it perfectly. Kitabparast 22:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the right conversion is थैंक्यू वैरी मच. Hope you dont mind my correcting. Just doing it for fun -- Lost(talk) 05:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop quoting hrw

 * Human Rights Watch is a controversial org. It has been accused of "obsessive bias" by several scholars like Anne Bayefsky and Abraham Cooper and prominent political figures like Shimon Peres.Netaji 23:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sources need not be neutral, just reliable. For the most part, I'm pretty sure Human Rights Watch is reliable. BhaiSaab talk 23:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

anti-Semitism

 * I have evidence to suggest that Bhaisaab has a tendency to have anti-semitic views. He may not be consciously aware of it, but surveys indicate that his views are common with those expressed by declared anti-Semites.Netaji 00:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have evidence to suggest Subhash Bose speaks negatively of people who tend to disagree with him...BhaiSaab talk 03:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have evidence to back up Netaji's alleegations and . I also have asked Netaji to refrain from insinuating when BhaiSaab's views are well documented.Bakaman Bakatalk  04:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Those edits don't back up allegations of anti-Semitism at all. BhaiSaab talk 05:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * All editors are entitled to hold their own beliefs, and please do not try to incriminate/lay blame on another user unless he/she is actually disrupting another user and/or vandalizing Wikipedia. Thank you, and I hope your differences can be settled.   Mar de Sin   Speak up!  16:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hindi movies
Thanks Basawala! While you were on your Wikibreak in the summer, I was actually thinking of asking you to add Hindi and Urdu translations of the Bollywood films since you do such a great job. I also thought "translation" would be better than "English" because the movie title isn't in English but Hindi/Urdu. I really appreciate your help in contributions (and your help and suggestions before your wikibreak as well). I also think its great you are working with Kitabparast on many Hindustani related articles. He is very knowledgeable in the subject and is a very altruistic person. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 01:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Grogs
Yeah. I misspelled Thrint'o'n when I tried checking on Google and it came up with no results. Oops...Thanks for the heads up though. --Onorem 22:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

RSS talk
An admin told him (BhaiSaab) to lay off the edit wars with Hindu users. If you're going to define things ("personal attacks") you may want to actually look at the whole situation.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, User talk:Blnguyen is "master of all WikiThings Indian". His talk page is referred to.Bakaman Bakatalk

Umrao
I believe "Umrao" (as in Umrao Jan Ada) would be written as: امراؤ. An alternative is without the hamza on the waw: امراو. Hope this helps! Kitabparast 20:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Urdu alphabet
Salaam Basawala! You did a great job of creating the Urdu alphabet article. It is very comprehensive and is thorough in describing the Urdu script. Could you please tell me the differences between the Nasta'liq script and the Urdu script? I was wondering about this earlier. From my new understanding, the Urdu script is a variant to the Nasta'liq script which is in turn a variant of the Perseo-Arabic script. Is this correct? Thanks again. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 05:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response! It did indeed help. I am wondering if you could make more mention of Nasta'liq on the Urdu alphabet article since it is the preferred style for writing Urdu. Do you think this is a good idea as well? Thanks. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 20:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I figured it would too. Please do write about it then! Thanks again. Khuda Hafiz. Jdas07 21:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Helping with Urdu alphabet page
I would love to help out with the Urdū alphabet page! Please let me know how you'd like to redo the tables, and what other sections you'd like and what you'd like to see in them. Thanks! Kitabparast 20:21, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

American Union
It's a term used to define the proposed North American Union.

Why do you want to delete this information?

I've requested some people who are more expert in the matter to expand the article.

It is very suspicious that first North American Union was deleted and locked, and now American Union is at risk for deletion.

Is there a reason you don't want information about this to get out to the public? -- I've requested experts to add information to the entry for American Union.

You say the exact term is not at Google--you're not correct. Exact search "American Union" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22American+Union%22&btnG=Google+Search gives 702,000 results.

Exact search "North American Union" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22North+American+Union%22&btnG=Search gives 180,000 results.

If you read or watch the videos you will see that it's not a hoax but a very real plan. Thorson 17:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Qowmi Tarana
Thanks for your comment. I know the difference between Urdu and Persian, and usually, a Persian-speaker does not understand Urdu. In this case, however, the entire lyrics is deffinitly Persian, totally understandable for a Persian-speaker, and that one little Hindustani word was integrated because of poetical devices.

It's deffinitly more correct to say that the lyrics is in Persian than in Urdu - just compare it to other "normal" Urdu songs and texts.

However, it you want to name it Urdu, then you have to explain that it is extremely Persianized, to an extent, that it is totally understandable for a Persian-speaker, while it might be difficult for a native Urdu-speaker.

The best solution would probably be calling it both Persian and Urdu.

For now, I will revert it back to the "Persian" version. Maybe you can find a better solution.

PS: the pronounciation of "a" is not really a reason to call it Urdu. In Iran, for example, they pronounce the "a" like a "u" or "o". They say "Iroon" instead of "Iran", "joon" instead of "jaan". It's a matter of regional dialects, not that of the entire language.

Tājik 13:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I am OK with the new version. Thanks for your efforts. Tājik 19:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Mughalistan
Two different things. Do not redirect. Mughalistan is an actual place, Mughalstan is anti-Hindu propaganda.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Dalitstan (the site u are talking about) was banned by Indian gov't and it has been down for a while. It may be back up soon, or it may not. (personally I pray for the second).Bakaman Bakatalk 22:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The site is down as of the moment. By consensus (myself, nids, Vikramsingh) we reverted lots of each others contribs but the anti-Hindu tag is still kept due to its links to LeT, United Jihad, Khalistan etc. By association, it is anti-Hindu.Bakaman Bakatalk 21:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. But add "Supportive of and associated with anti-Hindu organizations"Bakaman Bakatalk 21:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah its good, but google cache does show the supportive and linked things so the citation tags will be cut.Bakaman Bakatalk 21:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

BASIK
Thanks for the message, i have to agree it can be Addictive.