User talk:Basawala/Archive 3

Bollywood
Salaam Basawala! Your intervention is needed in these places: Talk:Bollywood and User_talk:Bharatveer. The disussions involve the use of scripts in Bollywood films. I felt you might have the answers. Thanks, AnupamTalk 14:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Your arguments are regarding something else.bollywood is also marketed towards all other indian languages, so that doesnt prove anything. Can you provide any references which shows bollywood films are made in Urdu language like the Film certificates given by Censor board of India which clearly mentions the language of the Film.-Bharatveer 04:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * After seeing your proof, i find many similarities of sentences in the two articles. It also explains "the mentioning of urdu in many times in the article".Pls bring more credible references.-Bharatveer 04:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Bharatveer 04:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Which line is biased?
-- Mary512 05:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Tamil
Hey this is pendotigers. You see I am a new wiki user but how can putting a tamil militant link make it a bad faith. It is pretty much fact. Thx--Pendotigers 10:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Can you help me see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Street_Scholar#Still_a_bit_Dubious I can't understand what he is trying do to and also excuses me of personal attacks on him when I haven't and I asked him to provide evidence and he hasn't. --Street Scholar 16:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have provided evidence on his talk page.Hkelkar 17:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Archiving
How do you archive? and yes, I accept what you wrote. --Pendotigers 12:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Incivil?

 * I told her I think she is a good editor. How is that incivil?Hkelkar 03:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I did not violate WP:NPA so I am clean. The WP:Civility page is vague and the arbitrary term "Rudeness" is only under the "Petty Examples" subsection. besides, I said that my advice was a "friendly warning". Hardly a "rude comment" (Rude people aren't friendly). You can't get me banned because of this. Try another one.Hkelkar 03:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's your opinion.Hkelkar 03:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine. I'll bend over for her. I have better things to do than bicker with you.Hkelkar 04:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for corresponding with this user on my behalf. Itsmejudith 18:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry.
Sorry, I'll stop.

WikiProject Uyghurs of Western China
I noted that you expressed an interest in helping the above project, and asked how you could help. A few things come to mind. The project is now listed as being ianctive; you could enroll yourself as a member and take the inactive marker off. Also, you might be able to get some ideas from WikiProject Council/Guide as to how to organize, structure, and publicize the project a bit better. I do get the impression though that you are right now the person most interested in the project. Good luck with all your future activities in wikipedia, whether they involve this project or not. Badbilltucker 18:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't revert war
I am warning you, don't revert war on Bajrang Dal. You'll gt into trouble. If you form coteries then I will count their reverts as yours when reporting you for 3RR.Hkelkar 02:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He can't do that in a 3rr Report. BhaiSaab talk 02:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We'll let admins decide, given your block log.Hkelkar 02:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

BhaiSaab, your meatpuppet.Hkelkar 02:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The admins will decide indeed. BhaiSaab talk 02:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Meatuppetry

 * Er no, this is meatpuppetry Sock puppet Hkelkar 13:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Archiving my talk page
Funny, I was just thinking today about doing that. It might have to wait a day or two though. Thanks. Itsmejudith 21:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Mall Sainthwar Rajputs
Shalendra Singh MALL SAINTHWAR RAJPUTS

The Malls are Vishen Rajputs of Majhauli who got the area of Madhuban following administrative division of the Majhauli kingdom at the time of Akbar. These Mall-Vishen Rajputs are one of the most prominent and old Rajput families of eastern U.P. In Ancient India they were very strong and were rulers of the Mall Mahajanpad.

The Sainthwars are not a single family but they comprise of 36-37 clans of Rajputs who had to migrate to easern u.p. from Punjab, Rajsthan and Kashmir during the reign of Jahangir. In 1625 Jahangir was taken into custody by his ex General Mahawat Khan in Kashmir. He was assisted by Raja Nattha Mall of Majhauli and other Rajputs including Raja Moti Das of Sihat in Jalandhar ( Punjab ).However the rebel was crushed by Noorjahan's skill and force. The defeated Rajputs had to flee in different parts of the country. A group of 36-37 types of Rajput families led by Raja Moti Das of Sihat fled to eastern u.p. and took shelter in Majhauli and nearby regions at the invitation of Raja Nattha Mall of Majhauli as they were in the same army led by Mahawat Khan. these 36-37 clans of Rajputs were later on called as Sihatwars or Sainthwars on the name of their leader Raja Moti Das's old estate Sihat See for details : http://rajputms.co.in

The Gaharwars are descendents of Raja Jai Chand's (of Kannauj) younger brother Manik Chand. They established a kingdom at Raj Kantit in south of Allahabad. In 1564 Raja Dadu Rai of Raj Kantit was killed by Ali Kuli Khan and Bahadur Khan. His son Bhual alais Bupal Rai took shelter in Majhauli as Raja Madhav Mall was his fufa. Raja Madhav Mall was later on given the area of Madhuban (named after him). Majhauli was ruled by his nephew Bheem Mall after he became adult.Bhual Rai helped Raja Majhauli in dethrowing Makwani Raja and was given 5 villages at Sidhua Jobana in Padrauna. Thus Bhual Rai became the founder of Padrauna estate. The area ruled by these Rais is also known as Raikkar.Luxmipur,Shekhwania,Semara, Bishunpura,Shivrajpur etc villages are well known.

The Sainthwar Rajputs were outsiders and were not accepted as such by local Rajputs except a branch of Mall-Vishen Rajputs of Majhauli (later on Madhuban) and Gaharwar Rajputs of Padrauna. As Nattha Mall of Majhauli was known to them before they came to this place and were oblized to him they made marital ties with a group of Malls.

The Sainthwars considered themselves to be of purest breed of Rajputs and they made marital ties with only those Rajputs who according to them were of so they kept on marrying within these 36-37 clans of Rajputs who were later on known as Sainthwars. These clans are described in AINE-AKBARI at different pages.( for details see VISHEN VANSH DARPAN . Please scan it from the book.)

They are khagis, Thakurais, Mohits, Karkotaks, Dovis, Mohatas, Soharas, Mangras, Pushkars, Bellas, Bathis, Usakas, Barhajas, Bais, Sahajas, Rawats, Kotharies, Rajpallies, Khuthanias, Barwas, Pundaris, Darwes, Bhakkhars etc.

Raj Bali Pandey in his book 'Gorakhpur ke Kshatriyon Ka Itihas' made a new theory about the origin of Sainthwars.He called them as Sansthagarik Kshatriya of Mall Mahajanpad who had taken to Buddhism.However no book written before him has ever mentioned this word Sansthagarik. There is no resemblence between the word Sainthwar and Sansthagarik neither by pronounciation nor by words.So Raj Bali Pandey's theory is not acceptable. The Sainthwars derive their name from 'Sihat' where their leader Raja Moti DAS ruled. see the resemblence Sihatwar - Sainthwar.

During the period of Aurangzeb a lot of Rajputs were forced to accept Islam.Raja Bodh Mall of Majhauli was also forcefully made Muslim and was given the name 'Salim'. When he returned to Majhauli his Rani asked him not to enter the palace. so he shifted to border and made Salempur his capital after his new name Salim. When he expired many of his relatives and pattidars bycotted his Brahm Bhoj. Madhuban was nearest pattidar and were strongly bycotting this. Theywere supported byVishens of Gonda,Pratapgarh and Kalankakar. Thus the Rajputs at that time were divided into two groups.Later on as time passed and Majhauli becama stronger many Rajputs gave bribe to Raja Majhauli and ate 'BHAT' with him but their nearest pattidars Madhuban and their supporters were still opposed to Majhauli. So the rift continued and worsened. A plot to defame Madhuban and their supporters mainly Sainthwars and Gaharwars was made. The Gaharwars of Padrauna were among the main targets as Rai Nath. Rai had not accepted Raja Bodh Mall's request to help. Rai Nath Rai was known to have good contacts in Aurangzeb's Darbar and was considered to be in his good faith. But he could not help Raja Majhaul;i who finally had to accept Islam. So Majhauli always thought that Nath Rai was responsible for this. Therefore his descendents had to face Majhauli's anger.Some wrong facts were written about Madhuban, and Padrauna by Lal Khadag Bahadur Mall in Vishen Vansh Vatika. No reply was given by ourside at that time.

Khadag Bahadur Mall denied Nattha Mall as his ancestor. The name of Raja Nattha Mall has been written at many pages including page38-39 of chapter 1 by Badshah Jahangir in his book TUZUK -E -JAHANGIRI. Khadag Bahadur Mall says Nattha Mall is actually Bheem Mall. He explains that due to change of positions of points Bheem Mall has become Nattha Mall. But this is not accepable as in Pharsi even if positions of points are changed Bheem can never become Nattna. (see Vishen Vansh Darpan page 39,4. Aina -e - Awadh page 270.

As differences between the two factions of Rajputs continued, efforts by some like minded people were made to unite them,a conference of all Kshatriyas was held under the leadership of Raja Awadhesh Singh of Kalankankar,Pratapgarh.The conference concluded that Raja Nattha Mall was son of Raja Madhav Mall of Majhauli. Their descendents known as Malls are Vishen Rajputs.It also held that Sainthwars and Padrauna are also Rajputs and are related to Malls.

A writ petition was filed by Sainthwar Rajputs in 1942 in the court of collector, Gorakhpur for the correction of papers in matter of caste. The court ordered that corrections be made as demanded. The word Sainthwar to be replaced by Kshatriya. Following this,correction were made accordingly. ( Please scan page 103,104.105&106 of Vishen Vansh Darpan ).

Thus this communityis perhaps among the few communities who have so clear-cut historical facts about their originality yet because of certain persons malintentions the community is facing identity crisis and inthe name of taking advantage by becoming O.B.C., the truth is not only being forgotten but has also been made to be subcaste of such caste with whom it has had no connection.

Serious thinking about the situation seems to be necessary. See for details : 
 * What does this have to do with anything?  Mar de Sin  Speak up!  19:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Your message
I have, thanks --Omar Muhammad 19:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks I am not well versed with vandals and warnings.
Thanks. Stoneice02 suggested me this earlier but I am not well versed with Vandal and Warnings. I will learn in due course. Swadhyayee 20:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Ramadan mubarak 81.178.67.150

Thanks
Thanks, well suggested. Never thought the way you suggested.Swadhyayee 01:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Austrailia
That's no problem - I was getting confused with all the different versions myself! --Casper2k3 21:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Sare Jahan Se Accha
The Urdu version and the Hindi version are actually supposed to be different I think. I looked at the Urdu version (english script) and apart from the beginning, looks little like the Hindi version.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Intimidation tactics
You have tried numerous intimidation tactics against me before.I have chronicled them all.They, together, constitute a huge personal attack.I know you are itching to get me blocked, but I will fight tooth and nail.Hkelkar 22:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Your warnings were all bogus since none of my comments are directed at you. If you read Wren and Martins's High School English grammar and composition you will gain the knowledge that you may need to see that you were not the subject of any of my sentences. My nose is clean here and I can prove it by using the rules of English grammar. If you can dig up any diaparaging comments made by me where you are the subject then send me the diff and I will apologize to you for them. I will not apologize to you for any statements that I made where you were not the subject.Hkelkar 22:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am perfectly aware of your hostile attitude towards me.Hkelkar 22:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you prove by wikipedia policy that the statement was directed at you and not someboy else in the talk page?Hkelkar 22:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

defending racists etc.

 * 1) You have defended User:Street Scholar on several occasions.If you see his talk page you will see admonishments made by admins with diffs that point to racist attacks on D-Boy as well as sexist attacks on User:Zora.
 * 2) Both you and I know that you have been making anti-Hindu falsifications so let's not get into that.Hkelkar 19:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not aware of any anti-Hindu falsifications. Mar de Sin  Speak up!  19:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Sare Jahan se Accha
Since Sarvagnya wont listen to me, could you remind him that consensus is opposed to him? You, dpk, anon IP (220.xxx), me, mahawiki, and Anupam all support Hindi, Ragib is opposed (but definitely doesnt support Sarvagnya), and of course Sarvagnya's actions obviously illustrate his POV and "vote" on the matter.Bakaman Bakatalk 19:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not in India (never been there), and I can only read/write Hindi (I'm not a fluent speaker). It will tkae me a while to try and make sense of the article.Bakaman Bakatalk 19:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Apology
Blnguyen says that my statement regarding Jihad has been ad-hominem.I am therefore apologizing to you for making those statements that are regarded by admins as ad-hominem viz: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Indian_caste_system&diff=81092624&oldid=81077060

I apologize for this comment.Hkelkar 19:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate your apology. I hope we can settle our differences and work together in the future. Mar de Sin  Speak up!  19:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Diwali
I think there are some Buddhist communities especially in Nepal and India which do celeberate Diwali. However, I am pretty sure that Diwali has no historical significance in Buddhism though some followers of Buddhism celeberate it. Also note that there are a lot of Hindus who regard Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu (similar to Rama). Buddh Purnima is a popular Hindu festival. Hence, there is no clear line of distinction between certain sects of Hinduism and Buddhism in India and Nepal. However, I do share your concern and will raise the issue on the talkpage of Diwali. Happy Diwali to you too :) --Incman|वार्ता 21:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Just block it
Just block it it is a puplic computer system and so has hundreds of users a day216.174.135.175 21:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

occurring vs occuring
I can see that you are going about to various pages on Wikipedia changing the spelling of "occured"/"occuring" with "occurred"/"occurred" ("r" vs "rr"). The former is not incorrect, it is a British/Commonwealth style of spelling the word. The general policy when it comes to this sort of thing is not to change the spelling of the word unless the article is specific to a particular national variety of English. As "occured"/"occuring" is an accepted British spelling, unless the article is specifically American the spelling should not be arbitrarily changed. Cheers! Captmondo 00:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello there: Sorry for not responding sooner! For an online reference regarding occurring/occuring, see: http://www.xpdnc.com/moreinfo/orlabour.html. This is the only reference I can find that covers the word online. I have seen offline references in the past, but my Concise Oxford is apparently too concise in this matter. ;-) It is admittedly a small point, but I wouldn't want anyone to waste their time fixing British/Commonwealth variations of words for their American spelling when the time can arguably be better spent elsewhere in Wikipedia. Cheers! Captmondo 22:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Layout in Chinese templates
Hi there. I'm not sure why you contacted me about this problem, but I have fixed it. There was a stray line break before the "noinclude" element in the Zh-s template. Mike Dillon 21:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 11,000,000 PASHTO-SPEAKERS IN INDIA!!! OK.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 11,000,000 PASHTO-SPEAKERS IN INDIA!!! OK. Urdu-speaking Muslims are not Pashtun, they are just plain Indian Muslims. OK. Just referencing from the “The Joshua Project Website” is not going to cut it. I want to see a proper government census by mother-tongue to prove your claims. Napoleon12 7:58, 16 October 2006

Saare Jahan Se Achcha
I dont wish to go 3rr, even though it is combatting vandalism. Please see to it to take whatever action you see fit.Bakaman Bakatalk 03:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Babar
Actually I didnt quite understand what pronunciations they were tying to articulate in the article. I have done my best, giving the original french pronunciations. Kindly comment. Cygnus_hansa 06:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks!KaElin 14:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I apologized to terry
So please stop bothering me. Unless, of course, you have something you'd like to discuss concerning edits to wikipedia articles or any matter between us. In that case bother away.21:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Roman Urdu
Salaam Basawala! I hope you are doing very well these days. It's had to believe that the month of October is coming to a close. Most of the work on the Roman Urdu article is complete and done well. Kitabparast did a great job of adding the Perso-Arabic and Devanagari scripts to the article. I haven't heard from him in a while but I am sure he will return soon. Meanwhile, I am wondering whether you can complete the task of adding the Devanagari script to the Writing system section. Both Fayyaz Abbas and I are waiting for this task to be completed. Then we all can work on the system we will implement in the article (right now there are two). I am wondering if you can graciously add the Devanagari to the Writing system table at your earliest convenience. I feel you have the knowledge to do so. I would really appreciate this. Please let me know if you would be willing to do this. Thanks! Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 20:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Basawala! That would be great. Once again, I really appreciate your help in this article. Khuda hafiz, AnupamTalk 01:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's very understandable. I will try to find someone else. Thanks anyways! Khuda hafiz. AnupamTalk 03:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Diwali and Buddhism
I live in a town with a large Indian population and much is made each year of the Diwali celebration. Students from the University's India Association have told me Diwali is celebrated by Buddhists.

thanks for the welcome
I just got Wiki-access from here in China, so I started an account. I would like to try to get my ESL students to write something for Wikipedia, to practice their English.

Arbitration
Hello, you are involved in a request for arbitration. Please see this case. TerryJ-Ho 02:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for Rving the Vandalism :)
I appreciate the rv, thanks! ¤~Persian Poet Gal 22:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)