User talk:Baseball Bugs/Archive013

JUL 2011 - DEC 2011

Image
I have just obtained a couple of images from the Nixon library which I will upload tonight. They were both taken at opening day at RFK. I'd appreciate it if you could look at them and see who, if anyone you can identify. I think he is talking to NY Manager Houk and Was manager Williams (this was 1969) and I think Kuhn is somewhere in the pictures but I don't know the guy by site. Your help would be gratefully appreciated. Also, Landis was promoted to FA.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Kudos on Landis. And for the RFK photos, post the links here when you upload them, and I'll take a look. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks.  here is the first.  Second will follow.  I actually got three, but the third is Nixon at Redskins Park with George Allen and a cast of several I need help from the Redskins people identifying.   I gather the guys in uniform by Nixon are Williams and Houk?--Wehwalt (talk) 02:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And the second one is here--Wehwalt (talk) 02:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd be interested in seeing the football one also, just to see if I recognize anyone. The ones that I can tell from these two photos (both obviously taken on the same day), are as follows, left to right:
 * 1 - "Brennan" - maybe Jack Brennan, Ted Williams, Bowie Kuhn, Richard Nixon, Bob Short, Ralph Houk, Joe Cronin
 * 2 - Nixon, Brennan(?), Short, Kuhn
 * Here's another photo from that same set. You see Williams' shirt better. He wore number 9. Also this black-and-white, where it's obviously Williams.
 * ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That is Jack Brennan, the archivist I deal with at the Nixon Library on images was commenting on that. Well, that is good, we have no image of Houk in his article, and I'll crop it when I get a chance.  I'll upload the Redskins one in a sec, ah here it is.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. Yeh, I'm sure I could figure out who some of them are, but the only ones I know for sure are Nixon and Allen. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In the first picture, I'm wondering who the guys behind Houk and Cronin are. They look real familiar, probably Nixon cronies, but I can't place them. Brennan himself could probably identify most of the pols in the picture. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And I hasten to add, these are really excellent photos. Probably taken with high-quality equipment and likewise scanned with high-quality equipment. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. I will send an email to the archivist if I don't see her today, which is my second and final day at the Nixon Library for this research trip, I may go back in September when I will be in LA again, if I have more work to do there. I believe they were scanned from negatives.  They have only a few from each roll of film taken in digital format; they have many more images on contact sheets, but turning them into digital images is not cheap.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought maybe they had scanned the negatives. It's amazing what they can do with negatives that are in good shape. Those two Nixon photos look like they were taken just yesterday. Or like you got in a time machine with your digital camera and went back to 1969. I wonder if anyone has tried scanning the original negatives of some old-old-time photos. I bet they would be a revelation. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * They are wonderful quality. No one ever complained about poor image quality from the WHPO under Nixon.  Part of his drive to have every aspect of his presidency recorded, which of course was a mistake on the audio ...  if you find the time machine let me know, I've got stock in Apple to buy.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In a twisted sense, it wasn't a mistake for him to record all his meetings, at least not in the bigger historical picture. If folks stop focusing on the Watergate ancient history, maybe they would find that there could be a lot of interesting and useful stuff on those tapes. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree
FYI, I agree (based on this discussion and the related AfD) with your suspicions. The quacking is familiar.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As is the quacking here.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think I'm familiar with this case. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:51, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The first one was an editor about whom you made some observations, that appear earlier on the same talk page.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I had forgotten about that guy. Looks like I thought there was something fishy about him in December, and it looks like those fish are still out there. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

SPI
Yes, they are the same, and there are others. Did you Check the ArmCom-L Leaks of WR? 184.80.4.146 (talk) 10:18, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I did. It wasn't very helpful. Also, that Wide Receiver page messed up my IE settings somehow, so I'll be staying away from it in the future. Looks like a useful website, though. Amidst the ocean of adolescent muck there are occasional gold nuggets of wisdom. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * They are both socks of Jimbo, who I will block as soon as I can find my fingers.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha, the mystery is solved! It's Miller time! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * When you get your info, I think that you will find a situation very similar to Law/The Undertow. On a separate note, aren't you the least bit curious as to why Lar took the time to get his things in order and then took the midnight train out of town?184.80.4.146 (talk) 10:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the case, so I can't say. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Law/The Undertow was a controversial matter in which several admins knew that a blocked user was socking, but were shielding him out of friendship, and were quite unrepentant.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeh, I remember that now - an admin scandal from a year or two ago. When I see admins do stuff that I would never, ever do as an admin, I wonder how they managed to get the job. Better PR, I guess. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of the things that admins, if I may speak ill of my brethren, lose the tools over are just so not worth it. I'm tempted sometimes.  Maybe it is age and maturity (so to speak) that prevents me.  And as for Rlevse, he probably realized no one checked if you attributed a statement to Jones, page 46, and it got easier and easier after the first time.  God knows I'm not perfect, but I do try to play the game by the rules.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hopefully the magic 8 ball will not turn up a "Fishing" or "Stale" response. 184.80.4.146 (talk) 10:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It would help if editors who know the case better would speak out, but even they don't, the editor in this case will have more visibility. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

@IP: Let them. At least I've tried, and anything but an identification between Mattisse and Barking Moon will take some of the wind out of the sails of those who are prepared to go to the wall to see that Mattisse never again sees the light of day on Wiki. (how about that sentence :) ).--Wehwalt (talk) 11:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Rlevse(vanished user) was big into scouting - this person is an eagle scout - James_Sanderson... - Off2riorob (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I had a distinguished career as a boy scout during which I rose to the dizzying high rank of Tenderfoot.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Even so, I bet you knew a shelter half from an entrenching tool. :) 3:40 of this clip ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

@ Robio: Please note the detailed knowledge of this facility...  BM's 1st edit was to tell us that she was a Wikignome, and in the next couple of edits, tell the Crats that she didn't know much and needed help. But as her history progresses she drops her gaurd. Knowledge of Scouting, Tidewater area/Naval facilities... A Good CU will find the trail. "Stale" is for what the logs retain, but there are those in the know that will have notes going back to M and can compare it with the BM. 66.87.80.43 (talk) 13:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

just...
thanks Bugs. I honestly do appreciate your friendship. You are dammed good people. — Ched :  ? 15:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. We try. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Landis
I did not feel the reader has to hear about every single case that Landis ruled on, and the Cobb/Speaker case, while God knows the people are prominent enough, it's unclear exactly what the allegations were, why they were made, why Landis ruled as he did (whether because he wanted to put an end to the endless pre-Black Sox stuff, or whatever. I don't care.  If you want to add something, I rely on you to source it adequately.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's OK as is. I just wondered why it wasn't mentioned, in case someone else wonders the same thing. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

General vague complaint about you
"So, do you "endorse" the claim that the admin was incompetent?"

I've just picked that one at random. I've not included the diff since I don't wish to be dragged into some pettifoggery over NFFCC or that one comment. If pressed, I will roll out the carpet of such similar sniping, but I'm sure you're well aware of how you speak and don't really need me to rub your nose in it... Instead can I please ask that you turn the spite down? Aaron Brenneman (talk) 01:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and the section header was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, as I suspect most of what you type is meant. But, in delicious irony, I see that it doesn't read that way. -_-   Aaron Brenneman (talk) 01:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

General vague answers

 * I'm actually better-behaved than I used to be. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * "don't really need me to rub your nose in it"???? ... ummmm ... I didn't know that "rabbits" could be trained like that. *sigh*.. the things ya learn on Wikipedia. — Ched :  ? 02:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't care what the critics say about me, as long as it's not true. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rabbits do perform a rather icky sort of culinary recycling. PhGustaf (talk) 03:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Ref Desk: Languages
I find it mildly amusing that you, Bugs, were discussing something with me, a Wabbott, on the Languages reference desk. :-) Anyway, I enjoyed the discussion, and keep up the good work! Wabbott9  Tell me about it....  15:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :) I had noticed your name. So now we have a wascally wabbit and a wascally wabbott. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why don't y'all get a womb? Drmies (talk) 18:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Totally templated, except for these words! Instant love--it couldn't be easier and more non-committal.

Drmies (talk) 18:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC) 

Errrrmmm actually it really could be easier and more non-committal, but you'd have to be gay.. ;) → ROUX   ₪  18:48, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm very fond of cats. They make good playthings for my Rottweilers. 0:) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
NOTE: The above has been a test of the "wikilove" tab. I tried the "build your own" option, but it was unable to retrieve photos from commons. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:37, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Bugs, sorry it didn't work. I've tested on a variety of configurations and haven't been able to reproduce the problem you describe. If you could let me know your browser and skin, that might help me track it down. Cheers. Kaldari (talk) 00:07, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

It works fine up until I post the name of a picture file. When I click on "review" it produces this vague error that "something went wrong" when trying to retrieve the file. I'm on IE 8 and using what I assume is the "classic" layout. Nothing special other than that. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That error means that the API which checks to see if the image exists on Commons returned an error, which is extremely unusual. Do you get this error even if you leave the image field blank (and it inserts the default)? What do you get when you visit this URL? Do you get something with in it, or something with in it? That API call is identical to what gets executed if you leave the image field blank in Make your own. Kaldari (talk) 19:17, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's very strange that you get an error from the API URL. Anyone should be able to access that URL with or without being logged in. I'm wondering if there's a separate IP blacklist for the API that somehow you're getting caught by. I'm going to ask some more knowledgeable tech folks and see if I can get to the bottom of this. Kaldari (talk) 01:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you send me your User Agent string? You can view it by going to http://www.useragentstring.com/ and just copy it from the box. Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 04:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean this?

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; GTB7.1; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; InfoPath.2; .NET4.0C)

←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sending me your User Agent string. It looks like there's a pretty serious bug with our API for Internet Explorer users right now, which no one realized until I reported your WikiLove bug. You may also have problems using UploadWizard on Commons until this is fixed. The fix is currently scheduled to be deployed on Thursday, but I'm pushing to get it moved up to Tuesday if possible. Thanks again for your help debugging this! Kaldari (talk) 20:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

test1
Letting it take the default worked. For the URL you gave me, I got an error something like "unable to display this page". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The error is:
 * The website declined to show this webpage
 * HTTP 403
 * Most likely causes:
 * This website requires you to log in.
 * What you can try:
 * Go back to the previous page.

←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

test2
So that's my "workaround" until the problem can be fixed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!
"Cheeseburger, cheeseburger, cheeseburger!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought wabbits were (munch! crunch!) wegetawians! Wetched wabbit stew is faw fudds. —— Shakescene (talk) 00:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

lmao
in regards to your AC post ... ummm ... did you have "clearance" ... BAAHAAHAA ... — Ched :  ? 09:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Shibe Park plexiglass
Bugs, I think it was you who added the item about the new plexiglass backstop in 1960 and the Crosley Field mention. Do you remember where you got that? Was it Westcott? I can't seem to find it anywhere and I need to give it a cite. Thanks! — HarringtonSmith (talk) 11:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there are many sources beyond the visual. Googling [shibe park plexiglas] I see a number of references. Googling [crosley field plexiglass], here's a mention of it in a newspaper's article about Riverfront Stadium: "Bob Howsam... the Reds' general manager... eliminated the order for a plexiglass screen behind home plate like Crosley Field's. It blocks out the sound, which is a big part of fan enjoyment, Howsam said." Andrew Clem's illustration for Crosley suggests 1958 Most of the sources indicate 1956 for Shibe, which did undergo some remodeling that year. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Thought it was you who first put it in. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 12:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I put in the Crosley Field comment. I might have had the wrong year. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:53, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The Crosley line says "around the same time" so I don't think it needs a cite. I put in ballparks.com for the Shibe cite. Thanks for help. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Bugs, I expanded the Spite Fence section at Shibe. Because there is so much Shibe-specific stuff, I didn't retain either the Wrigley or the Baker Bowl stuff. I did leave the old version in there though, hidden, so it'll be easy to extract those items if you think they need to go back in. Hope you like. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 19:30, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Wanna see a real spite fence? PhGustaf (talk) 21:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I can only think of Crocodile Dundee: "Now that's a spite fence!" — HarringtonSmith (talk) 19:37, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Abortion mediation
A proposal has been made to rename the two abortion articles to completely new names, namely 'Opposition to legalized abortion' and 'Support for legalized abortion'. The idea, which is located at the Mediation Cabal, is currently open for opinions. Your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 19:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Completely new abortion proposal and mediation
In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.

To avoid concerns that this notice might violate WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page (or either page's respective talk page) since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 20:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

!!
Do you think I should issue User:Mecanismo a warning for his deeds on M39 cannon? -- 203.223.238.224 (talk) 05:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you think I should issue User:Mecanismo with a level 4 warning? -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1184©♪♫® 05:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

[Note the above was actually posted by ]

RCP proposal
Adamrce, Anna_Frodesiak, Baseball_Bugs, Csloomis, Cntras, Evaders99, Fæ, Shrike, Qwyrxian, WWGB, Who.was.phone: met you guys at edit conflicts for undoing vandalism/ warning the same vandals/reporting at AIV. I've made a proposal at Village_pump_(proposals) This is regarding managing vandalism at RCP. What do you think?Staticd (talk) 11:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I'm not a Recent Changes Patroller, so I'm not really famiiar with whatever issues there might be with the process. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Priceless
--Anthonyhcole (talk) 15:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Or "half" wit, anyway. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You're quoted
I was reading a copy of David Horvitz and Ed Steck's exhibit catalog Public Access and I noticed that he quotes you several times in the book. Nothing bad or embarrassing, but just thought you'd like to know. Kaldari (talk) 20:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Quotes me, as in myself the wikipedia user, or quotes the actual Bugs Bunny? Hopefully the latter! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Was there a sketch of him, too? Then he'd have been drawn and quoted. PhGustaf (talk) 21:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "And the boy gets a cigar!"Go to about the 5:35 mark ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears as though your sense of humor is contagious. :) — Ched :  ? 22:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And it's incurable. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, the guy who kept uploading photos with him in every one of them? There's an old saying about names and faces and public places. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * He actually has a couple pages completely devoted to giant pull-quotes from you. Apparently, you've very quotable :) Kaldari (talk) 00:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Where would I find it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Good question. You'd probably have to attend one of his exhibits in California. Kaldari (talk) 00:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, so there are no online quotes, right? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, no. He's distributing a short book at his exhibits (technically an "exhibit catalog" but expanded into book form). No idea if it will ever be more widely published. It basically chronicles the entire story of his interactions with Wikipedia in agonizing detail. It also reproduces in full all of the articles that he added photos to. The exhibit is as much about Wikipedia as his photos it seems. Kaldari (talk) 01:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine who would buy such a book. So he exploited wikipedia's "any moron can edit" philosophy in order to get his stupid image in wikipedia a lot. That says a lot more about him than it does about wikipedia. But he's likely too narcissistic to recognize that irony, and has probably never heard the expression, "Fools' names and fools' faces are often seen in public places." (That's a quote I do not expect him to glom onto.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:54, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am visiting several museums in San fransico, please tell me where I can find this exhibit. ^_^ AerobicFox (talk) 01:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I would think Alcatraz would be more enjoyable. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I should have said they were all art museums. Since I love art, and coming up is free museum day I am very excited. ^_^ Lemme know where he is so I can drop by and see what he quotes :P. AerobicFox (talk) 03:55, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Today's link...
... is brought to you by the phrase: "leeet's get ready to RUUUMMMBLE". I cruising through my morning news feed I ran across a story. Had to find the video, and it's currently found at: this link, although I won't be shocked if you've already seen it. :) — Ched :  ? 09:58, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Baseball fights always look so wimpy. The best batter-charging-the-pitcher incident I've ever seen is Robin Ventura getting put into a headlock by Nolan Ryan, like he was roping and branding a calf. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:08, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Quiet Word
It isn't possible to have one on your talk page and I don't see email enabled. Do you have a suggestion? I am trying to avoid "pile-ons" from every imaginable perspective. Thanks Bielle (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what I thought I read yesterday, but it isn't there today. Ignore my email. It was sent with the best of intentions, but I screwed up. Sorry about that, really sorry. You may exact a punishment. Bielle (talk) 01:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * No hay problema. I sent you another e-mail. No punishment needed. But if I were to mete out a punishment, I would condemn you to be a Cubs fan for the rest of your life. That'd learn ya. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * A "CUBS fan"? .. zOMG .. that's almost as bad as having to be a Pirates fan ... lol. — Ched :  ? 11:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * For about 6 years (including the 1992 and 1993 seasons in the World Series), I had season's tickets to the Jays. Joe Carter: caught the final out in 1992 and hit that amazing home run in 1993. (I was at the stadium for that 1993 game, but I didn't see the Carter hit or any of his stroll around the bags except for the touch at second.  Everyone in the stands was standing up and screaming and I was too short even in Row 30 behind the plate. I finally saw it when we got to the bar for the endless replays after the game.) Is that worse? Bielle  (talk) 18:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * At least they won! I detect that your particular curse would be the Maple Leafs. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Somewhere around I have a "Croix de Candlestick" button, a prize awarded to anyone who sat through an extra-innings game through that park's noted chilliness. I forget exactly when, but my friend's accountant's front-row seats let me watch Frank Robinson glower from ten yards or so away.  Man, he could glower.
 * I forget how much of that game I spent in the warm dry stadium club, admission to went with the tickets. PhGustaf (talk) 18:59, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Frank Robinson managed the Giants during 1981-84, so presumably it was during that stretch. That's a prized possession, even if you did "cheat" by hanging out in the stadium club. : Robby was an intimidating presence, and it's just unfortunate that he generally got stuck managing such lousy teams. I recall a game against the White Sox while he was playing manager for Cleveland, probably in 1976. He was on the bench that day. He got into an argument with the home plate ump, and then put himself in as a pinch-hitter for the express purpose of arguing some more, up close. (He also got a base hit.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:26, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * PhGustaf, you are remembering the old, outdoor park, Exhibition Stadium, right on Lake Ontario. I've sat through snowfalls in opening week more than once. (P.S. And, that would have been "from 10 metres away" :-). Bielle (talk) 19:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, I'm remembering Candlestick Park, a stadium in the pleasant San Francisco Bay Area which has a famously hostile climate. Windy, foggy, rainy, chilly.  Canadian tundra would be a break. PhGustaf (talk) 19:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's fair to say that neither of those venues was ideal for baseball. Toronto had to put up with it for 22 1/2 seasons. San Francisco had it for 50. Things could be worse. The Phillies were in Baker Bowl for 51 1/2 years, with denizens whose perennial second-division finishes were livened up by the occasional fire or deadly collapse of seating areas. (Livened up for the survivors, that is.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Death of Caylee Anthony article -- thank you
Hey, Baseball Bugs. I just want to say thank you for taking an interest in this article, which has also been expressed by another editor at my talk page. Your opinions on this matter and presence there at the article has really helped, especially in regards to the few attacking me for being "too emotional" and as though I'm the problem at the article. I mean, seriously people can't feel passionately about an article they have significantly worked on? Aren't editors here encouraged to work on topics that interest them? Furthermore, I work on topics here that don't interest me much. But when I see a Wikipedia article that needs help, sometimes I jump to its aid.

Anyway, Blackie Lstreet has had his support, even in the face of very inappropriate edits, and it's nice to have a new editor of the article backing my valid additions to them and recognizing Blackie Lstreet's continued inappropriate editing. The discussion with Avanu at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard combined with people at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ‎not taking action (and the accusation that I am basically some emotional idiot) almost made me quit Wikipedia yesterday. I suppose that would also be considered the action of a very emotional person, but I was very close to leaving for good. I'm sure that I still might. I need to rid myself of Wikipedia and get the other portion of my life back. Flyer22 (talk) 22:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Sanity check

 * Talk:Singapore
 * Bugs, sorry to trouble you but could you provide some sanity check on the above? I get a feeling that someone is trying to bait me. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 14:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That user seems not to understand what collaboration is about. If he's getting on your nerves and might be baiting you, I recommend taking it off your watch list for a week or so, and check back to see if there's still damage going on. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:28, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You can'ta fool me. There ain't no sanity clause. PhGustaf (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And the boy gets a cigar! Here's a good quarter cigar. I smoked the other three quarters already. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * SNIP! -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 19:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

User:TomPhan is at it again!
I could really use your help on this one, man. See this link for more information. Buffs (talk) 03:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not an admin. Your posting it to ANI was the right thing to do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:11, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I know you aren't an admin, but you are quite well-versed in sockpuppetry and have proven quite adept in getting it curtailed. Thought you might have some input that would be useful.
 * I'm not sure what I've done to annoy this guy, but apparently I pissed in his Cheerios at some point and he's been bitter for over 3 years. Makes me wonder if TomPhan is this guy's brother? Buffs (talk) 21:32, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Cryptograms and crosswords
Hi BB. Your namesake (the toon not the sport) was featured in the cryptogram that was in my paper today. That reminded me that I have had several crosswords with the clue "He bugs Bugs" or "Bugs bugs him". To this point they have always used the five letter word that begins with an "e". I hope that they acknowledge your work here one day by having the answer be a ten letter word that begins with "s" and ends with "t" and has three "p's" in it as well. I always appreciate your ability to sense these returning pests. Keep up the good work and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 17:28, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! With a capital "T" and that rhymes with "Z" and that stands for "Zap"! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

FYI
Hi again. In case you aren't already aware of it HBO has I new sports documentary entitles "The Curious Case of Curt Flood" I just finished watching it and I found it to be fascinating and very well done. It is certainly thorough in showing all the strengths and weaknesses of the man. I thought you might find it interesting and if you don't have HBO it will probably be available on the web somewhere down the road. Two items of note. Bob Gibson looks like he is still in great shape and could pitch a couple strong innings today. It was fun to see the big sideburns that were in fashion in the early 70's (and which I sported in high school) again :-) MarnetteD | Talk 18:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiAlpha
The matter is more serious than it appears. See Jimbo's talk page on this.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

FYI: ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I just pinged the IP address of WikiAlpha hosted by Future Hosting LLC at Novi, Michigan. Don't ask me how I did it. ;P -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Good for you. And whatever you do, don't start spamming them just because they did it to us. 0:) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:09, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, really not my cup of tea... FWIW, I'm told that it takes a fair amount of money to buy a domain name, host (this includes how much data they are allowed to store online) and setup a website. Without sponsors, they will die off eventually much like most WP clones out there, either that or they lose their core cadre of contributors/editors in the end. If there's one thing great about Wikipedia, its the diverse background of contributors/editors that it draws from, much like what the United States of America has its talent pool. And thats why or how, as far as I can see, Jimbo is able to continue getting sponsors to come aboard the WP bandwagon.

Circus?

 * Bugs, you really have to come see the show that's playing on User talk:Since 10.28.2010 now... almost a week has passed but its like Arnold on T2, "I'll be back!". Wonder what happen to the nanny anyway? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 13:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Bugs, you really have to come see the show that's playing on User talk:Since 10.28.2010 now... almost a week has passed but its like Arnold on T2, "I'll be back!". Wonder what happen to the nanny anyway? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 13:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I HATE you
I look at your replies on the refrence desk and each time I get angrier. There is insufficient deference given to Islam. Show some more or VERY BAD THINGS will haoppen to you, as I am unstable and violent. 82.165.144.51 (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's obvious that you're in very serious need of enrolling in an Anger Management class. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:50, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

"Couple"
I wish to inform you that your joke exceeded the official lameness threshold, and I have removed it. Looie496 (talk) 02:33, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Question
Hi. I know you have worked a lot with baseball articles, so I have a question that you may have a view on.

I have an editor that is insisting that I have failed to properly source text that says that a certain baseball player was an All-Conference wide receiver for his high school team.

The statement is sourced to MLB.com -- if you click bio at his listing (as well his college bios at two different colleges, and one college media guide) Thoughts? I'm sure I've read that mlb.com is our highest-level RS for baseball player bios, though I don't know off the top of my head where that is written. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The concern I have was with the "All-Conference wide receiver" assertion in the Jason Kipnis article, which was initially sourced only to media guides/bios of the colleges for which Kipnis played. The new mlb.com bio on Kipnis has picked up the same statement. Vague and unsupported references to "all-conference" and "All-American" honors are rampant in American sports and one of my pet peeves.  In this case, I dug for the original source on the supposed "all-conference" honors and added the more precise information to the article. Kipnis was selected by the sports staff at the Pioneer Press (suburban Chicago newspapers) for its all-star football team for the Central Suburban League's North Division (a group consisting of six suburban Chicago high schools). Rather than repeat the vague "All-Conference wide receiver" statement, I modified the article to reflect the more precise information.  I think my change was appropriate, but Epeefleche has reverted. Cbl62 (talk) 21:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * (ec)
 * Answering your question, the discussion is at the DYK page, for Jason Kipnis -- the second baseman the Indians just brought up. Discussion is taking place here.


 * That is the main issue. But the editor also views all university media guides on athletes as non-RSs.  Even for something such as "player x was an All-Conference wide receiver in high school".


 * And denigrates such a statement, sourced to MLB.com and to two college's bios, by implying that what is required to support such a statement is a "primary record of an All-Conference selection".


 * It might be helpful if some sports-focused editors were to give that section a look. If we couldn't use MLB.com and college media guides, that would be a revolutionary change.  Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:04, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, I only reverted Cb's deletion of text; text that was sourced to MLB.com, 2 bios at 2 different colleges, and 1 college media guide. I didn't delete his addition.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:09, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have never said college media guides can't be used. To the contrary, they are very reliable sources for much of the historical and statistical information.  What I have said is that I have found player bios published by colleges to sometimes be unreliable in recounting high school accomplishments.  Also, in AfD discussion, I have been reminded that college media guides, while they may be reliable for some information, are not "independent" of the athletes who they write about.  Cbl62 (talk) 22:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Cb -- you wrote that it was a problem that "the sourcing for the "all-conference" football status is Kipnis' bio from the Arizona State web site, which is not independent (Kipnis was a student-athlete at ASU)". You then deleted the text, supported by his bio at the Arizona State website, the University of Kentucky website, the Arizona State media guide, and MLB.com.  By your statement, and your deletions, it looks as though you do not believe that college media guides are RSs for such statements about college athletes.


 * Furthermore, I see that you just accused me at the DYK page of "canasing for support on other talk pages", based on my lone initial comment to Baseball Bugs above. My initial comment at this talkpage is not canvassing (and of course this is only one talk page).  Baseball Bugs is a seasoned baseball editor.  Contacting one informed but uninvolved baseball editor, "Baseball Bugs", who is known for expertise in the field, and asking his view on a baseball subject is not canvassing.  That was an unpleasant false accusation that you made publicly at the DYK page -- I would appreciate your crossing it out.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I recommend that you pose this matter to the baseball project page and see what the real experts think. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

A chance to strike back at the deletionists!
Hey, Bugs. I dunno if you saw it at Shibe Park, but Ww2censor, a long-standing image deletionist, has listed the USPS Shibe Park Stamp image near the end of the article for deletion. If you think that the image contributes to the readers' enjoyment of the article, you can enter a Keep post. Enough Keep posts will help ensure that the image stays in the article. If you have any friends who like the article, like the way the image enhances it, or just want to strike a blow at deletionist bullying, please encourage them to make Keep posts, too. This fellow's contribution list reveals that he patrols the stamp images, looking for ones to delete. Working together, maybe we can keep his mitts off this one. Thanks, Bugs — HarringtonSmith (talk) 06:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you find the photo on which the stamp was based? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

No, I looked, but no soap. I think the artist painted it from photos, but changed it to show the corner without a game day crowd. S/he also added a trolley car on Lehigh Ave, which is what really makes it charming. I'd sure hate to lose it... after seeing the place crumble throughout the length of the article, I like having the stamp there, with the park all fresh and new, as if it were in ballpark heaven. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 12:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I just wondered, because I know that several of those stamps came directly from colorized postcard photos. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I've been warned about "canvassing" on this, so we can't talk about it any more. No, this one looks to me like it was painted. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 21:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Our recent altercation
I want to apologize for [ this comment] (the bottom one). It was said in anger, and I'm sorry. I don't actually believe you exult in executions. Pais (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I accept, and would like to point out that I do NOT exult in executions. The death penalty is more often a thorn in the side of justice than it is anything else. For example, I suspect the recent Anthony decision was influenced by the death penalty being on the table. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Ummmm
Pirates — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 10:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thing is, I watched the video 7 times, and I still can't see a clear tag. Maybe there was another angle that showed it clearly. This wasn't the worst call in history, silly sportswriters; how about Denkinger, or Pallone (precipitating the fight with Pete Rose? How about Enrico Perlazzo against the Angels? Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 22:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's not forget Jim Joyce in the Galaraga perfect game. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't claim to be a big baseball fan (but always like to see the Pirates win), but IIRC .. that Jim Joyce thing was something else. I seem to remember being so impressed with everyone involved in how maturely and respectfully it was handled.  We're all human, so there's always going to be mistakes.  It's just important to be adult about it when it happens. — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ?  19:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * See also this essay → WP:The best way to avoid ever being blocked. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 03:45, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

FYI
Hi Bugs. Your toon namesake showed up today in this comic strip. If you don't get this until tomorrow go back to August 3rds strip. May not be an all time funny but any tribute is worth acknowledging. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Funny. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:22, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Bugs, seriously dude
This is getting a little out of hand. Maybe its time to disengage. It's OK sometimes to just let people be wrong. It's getting a bit uncomfortable to watch. You've said your piece, and an admin will decide how to rule on the DRV based on how people comment. I don't think, at this point, you're helping very much. For the record, I'm with you 100% on the matter. But, for real, sometimes its best to back away for a bit... -- Jayron  32  20:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur, let's watch an interview by Graucho Marx, shall we? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 01:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude, I rofled. Thank you for that.  Seriously.  Groucho is a genius, though the unintentional slips by the chick to his left are nearly as funny.  Thanks again for bringing some lightness to us all.. -- Jayron  32  01:25, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Elephants In pyjamas? Except for Alabama where the tuscaloosa, but﻿ thats entirely your elephant to what i was saying! You know we didn't ask for chairs, put them right back where you found them. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 01:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Priceless. :) It's interesting to see the less-structured approach to game shows in those days. "The gal to his left" on this What's My Line? episode was Dorothy Kilgalen, who was a gossip columnist and died under somewhat mysterous circumstances. At the far end of the panel was Bennett Cerf, who founded Random House publishing and was a great punster and hence another of my heroes. To Groucho's right was Arlene Francis, who I think was a stage actress but overall was probably best know for this program. She was married to Martin Gable, who occasionally appeared in the "guest spot" on the panel which Groucho was occupying on this occasion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:31, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Animal Crackers is primitive but very funny if you're a Marx fan. The classic bit where he dictates a letter to his lawyer is one I resurrect whenever I feel like making a "legal threat". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is great to see Cerf's name again. It was worth watching ...Line? just to see what he would come up with to tickle our funny bones. FYI he has a small role in A Face in the Crowd (film) a film that may be more timely now than when it came out. I suspect that you've already seen it but I thought that I would post this for other talk page watchers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:32, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I was much too young to remember Cerf in person, but when I was a kid (and a nerdy kid, somethings never change), my grandmother gave me a bunch of his books to read. I remember them fondly.  I never learned until later who he was, but I always did enjoy those books.  -- Jayron  32  16:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The "Panel Show" like What's My Line is a now-extinct genre, but in the '50s it was a descendant of the Algonquin Round Table with persons-about-town being witty for the rest of us. The game part of the show was secondary, the point was to showcase the wit of people like Cerf. They used to show old kinescopes of it on Game Show network at 3 am up till a few years ago. Incidentally, Arlene Francis's husband Martin Gabel was much more than just "Mr. Francis" — he was a Broadway and Hollywood actor, director and impressario, quite the man-about-town himself. Today, he's virtually forgotten. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 17:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There have been a few recent attempts to revive it, The Marriage Ref is a recent incarnation of the format. The artform really reached its zenith with What's My Line and the much later Match Game, but it has largely been replaced by shows like I Love the XXs) and the like, where you get C-list celebrities to give witty comments on various topics.  Those have basically replaced the panel show, as they serve roughly the same purpose (though, I must admit, are much less entertaining).  -- Jayron  32  17:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, to a point. WML was more of a window into the New York smart set, while Match Game was kind of smarmy and vulgar, laden with double-entendres. Of course, they were from vastly different eras. On one of the I've Got a Secret shows from the '50s, the contestant was a hundred year-old man whose secret was that he witnessed the assassination of Lincoln! as a boy in the crowd at Ford's Theatre! Wow. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 17:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * One of John Charles Daly's great moments was his introduction and narration of the first episode of Green Acres, as kind of a parody of a documentary. Match Game and Hollywood Squares were both filled with suggestive stuff, springing from the late 60s when TV standards were loosening up a bit. They were funny, though. Another good early panel show was To Tell the Truth, hosted by Bud "Superman" Collyer. Their panelists included Kitty Carlisle Hart, who was a star in A Night at the Opera and thrived for most of her 90-plus years, having just died a few years ago. Back to What's My Line?, one of the items on youtube had Col. Harland Sanders, who was then unknown outside of his home region, and it was interesting watching the panelists try to figure out what his product was, when any American watching it today would know. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:09, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the biggest diff between WML and the Match Game was in the panel itself: Cerf, Kilgalen, Gabel, all were accomplished celebrities with achievements outside the show. Nipsey Russell, Brett Somers and Patti Deutsch's only notoriety was the Match Game. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 19:19, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly. And John Daly's primary job at the time was as a CBS news reporter. WML was kind of a fun weekly get-together. The informal way they conducted the show, as for example with Groucho jumping in with quips while Dorothy was trying to ask questions, was what he was expected to do - liven the place up. The original fourth panelist on WML was also an accomplished celeb, the radio star Fred Allen. He died unexpectedly, and they had a series of guest panelists henceforth. I used to see Nipsey Russell as a panelist on TTTT occasionally also. But you're right that MG was likely the primary source of income for a number of those other folks. Hollywood Squares, in contrast, featured well-known performers who generally had other jobs. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Continued From MFD
(Replying here so as to not lengthen that thread any longer)

Yes, I posted on his talk page that his section addition was counter-productive. But that doesn't change the fact that IMHO a number of your posts there have been unseemly. I think toning it down a bit would be a good idea. But I'll say to you what I said to the other fellow. Take my advice for what it's worth.--Cube lurker (talk) 19:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The ones who want more drama are taking it to MFD. They're welcome to it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:24, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Ref Desk Removal
User:Jpgordon has deleted a comment you wrote on the reference desk. It is being discussed on the talk page, if you'd like to discuss it. Buddy432 (talk) 05:53, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

civility redux (well- you are a Rabbit?)
I have been editing on DICK fwiw. I think you may like it. Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:01, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I've Got My Captain Working for Me Now
I uploaded and added a public domain ogg file sung by Al Jolson. Joe Chill (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Train wreck approaching...
Have you ever seen a train wreck coming down the tracks, and your first instinct is to pull up a chair, grab some popcorn, and get ready to watch a great show? Because I'm not sure Casey Jones himself could stop this impending disaster... -- Jayron  32  20:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * SMASH. I hope you don't mind me sharing this moment of Schadenfreude with you... -- Jayron  32  20:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I've been on that train myself from time to time, as you well know. :) But the IP's excessive response to your pointed comments only suggests that you were onto him. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:54, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Methinks he doth protest too much.  Or more to the point: only the guilty feel the need to mount a defense.  My wife has some police training, and one thing that has always stuck with me is that the innocent express incredulity and astonishment while the guilty usually provide excessive details to explain while they are "innocent."  The first clue that police have that they are onto something is when you start defending yourself. -- Jayron  32  22:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello
I'm not entirely sure what an ISP tag is or what it does. I apologize, I am not tech-savvy at all. I removed it because it looks very unsightly and I was under the impression that you could do whatever you want with your page. Could you explain how this works please? 76.125.58.198 (talk) 05:53, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

ISP tag
Hey Baseball, this is my home computer. 76.125.58.198 (talk) 15:16, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * See my response at User talk:JoeSperrazza. Cheers, JoeSperrazza (talk) 01:33, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

1880s Polo Grounds shot
Hi Bugs, I wanted to ask your opinion on something: you uploaded an 1886 photo of Polo Grounds I quite a while ago, and I recently came across the same photo in an old, digitized issue of the NY Times, except it was quite a bit larger and has some more detail. It's a little less cleaned-up, and the resolution isn't that great, but it still reveals some detail that the old one doesn't. I uploaded it to TinyPic here. Whaddya say, should I update the old one, or leave it as is? Delaywaves  talk  •  contribs  03:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Your feud with GTBacchus
Kindly desist in your stalking and trolling of GTBacchus. It seems that you may be harbouring a grudge. The discussion at ANI doesn't even concern Bacchus. You need to grow up and move on, and at the very least stop your completely off-topic trolling, like you did here. Than you for your attention. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 06:33, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Kindly desist in pretending to be an admin by presuming to give me orders. GTB is a poor excuse for an admin and should be defrocked. And with your approach, it's a good thing you're not an admin, or you'd be in line for defrocking also. So make like a bumblebee. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:38, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Awww... Bugs, you should have told the confused one to WP:MYOB. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 13:55, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * On another note, it's Monday so enjoy this~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 14:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And another one~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 14:22, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

IP joke
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22 August 2011 15:42 (UTC)

Thanks
On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, thanks for the editorial contributions. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thank you! I'm pleased to see that the article didn't crash and burn. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Dumb guy
Hey Bugs. I'm working on a userbox and need a caricature of dumb guy's face to make a point. Any ideas where I can find these? Slight Smile  22:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Is Bugs passing out self portaits? -- Jayron  32  22:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Poor Bugs! They picking on you? Slight  Smile  23:07, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Caricatures of dumb guys? Surely you could just pick portraits at random from the current session of Congress and it would suffice. Soxwon (talk) 18:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I could fill up ten megs of talk pages with real life morons but their portraits wouldn't have that funny cartoon effect. Also wouldn't there be legal issues using real people? I've seen good ones on Conan, for example his quarters segment where an outline of the map of one of the states (starts with an "A") has a dumb guy face - funny yet nothing fancy. Where's Mister Bugs? Slight  Smile  02:44, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I would post a picture of Alfred E. Neumann, except he's copyrighted. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I used to find Mad hilarious - I'm one to talk about dumb guys. Can you guess which userbox on my userpage I'm doing? Alfred E. Neumann wouldn't have the effect I'm looking for. I'm using a stand in image till I find Mr Right. Slight  Smile  22:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A lot of things are funny when we're in the 12-15 age bracket. National Lampoon once ran a parody of Mad (a parody of a parody), with Neumann saying, "What? Me funny?" However, guess which publication is still in business. You and I might outgrow it, but there is never a shortage of 12-15 year olds. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:28, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * How about any picture of Carlos Zambrano? Or is that on a class of its own? –MuZemike 03:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Um lemme guess, not a very good pitcher? I just figured out how to make UBXs and having fun with that. I made one about how stupid lawn spraying is and I want a simple cartoon dumb guy face to make a point. I tried finding in the Commons but I can't figure out what category that might be in. Wouldn't be under dubya because that would POV, right? Slight  Smile  16:23, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he likes to vent his frustrations out on his fellow teammates, coaches, and Gatorade jugs. Then he said he was going to retire from baseball when he realized the gravity of his situation (i.e. playing for the Cubs). Wonder how good a Wikipedia editor he would be? Seem like he would fit right in :) –MuZemike 20:12, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What a maroon! What an embezzle! I'm sure his name would come up once or twice at ANI if he ever came to edit here. Slight  Smile  00:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Oops
I took out a post of yours while e/c at ANI:. Since its ANI, its probably better restored by you than me William M. Connolley (talk) 22:00, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 'S'all right. I posted a better response than that one was. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:06, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello again...
What has been going on since I was gone for a while? I know it was that long ago, but it seems like ages... Anyway, I have been wondering what to do. I find no reason to be here (except the occasional fixing) but I have been doing well (playing poker, playing Vega Strike, ect.). But I still don't understand the east earthquake. That did not effect me, however. But I was near it. But I am effected by the hurricane (if its still on my course to my state.)

That is all I have to say. --<font color="BlueViolet">Hinata <font color="BlueViolet">talk  14:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey, do you remember me?
I'm Ezekiel63745. Remember I screwed around with your userpage because it was too funny? Yeah, I won't do it again, though I have a new over-humorous personality, so if you see me using it, don't take it to seriously; Just as a joke. Okay? Thanks. Ezekiel! Talk to meh. See what I'm doin'. 21:34, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

La Marseillaise
Removing unsourced material is not to be done blindly. If you do not know anything at all about a specific aspect of a subject, it is not very wise to eliminate a long existing sentence immediately after someone tags it as needing a reference. Robots automatically date these tags, and that was done before your action. It allows checking how long ago something has become questioned. It was even contemptuous because the tagger left a hidden inline comment that indicated only a part of the phrase having been questioned - something any editor should spot. The tagger, &#8203; ▲ SomeHuman 2011-08-29 01:12 (UTC)


 * I assumed the alleged "fact" was made-up, until or if someone provides a valid citation. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

&#8203; ▲ SomeHuman 2011-08-29 10:10 (UTC)
 * If I hadn't incidentally spotted (and reverted) it, no-one could ever see that a reference had been asked for. Ignorence is most forgivable, but by no account an excuse to assume someone's statement to be fictive. If a statement exist for a long time, unless you do very thorough research to disprove it, leave it tagged for the editors that have been working at the article. If it's a recent addition, check the internet for any trace (if something can be found, but not a good source, leave it tagged as it is) and check the links (e.g. the article on Yves Leterme had the same story).


 * If you have a source, then post it in the article. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

&#8203; ▲ SomeHuman 2011-08-29 11:24-11:47 (UTC)
 * Completely beside the point. And precisely that had already been done well before your first comment here, but that did not matter at all. Your action was an abuse of my tagging: my request for a citation took more time than your blind unargumented deleting, I could do that myself. Because I did not, and someone else had introduced the statement more than a year ago, and meanwile there had been hundreds of edits by a large number of editors who worked at the article without finding it necessary to even question the statement, your unilateral action was highly contemptious, against consensus. The more because you also disrespected the work of people who introduced and improved the procedure (with a better template, and its dating bot) for requesting a reference, expecting that request to be handled in a proper way.


 * If you have a source, then add it. If not, then shut up about it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Imperial units
I noticed you made a comment on Medeis's talk page about the U.S. and the U.K. using imperial units. In the same way the Canada uses Imperial units in conversations with those over 50 who grew up with them, the U.K. uses them. However, they are not official in either the U.K. or Canada. I think there is one country other than the U.S. who still uses them, but I can't recall which one. The whole rest of the world uses metric. Unless an article is about the U.S. or its citizens, I would be hard-pressed to defend you change from metric to Imperial. I am missing something here? Bielle (talk) 04:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I may have hung around Wikipedia talk:MOSNUM for far too long, but my fuzzy memory is that (being the English-language Wikipedia) conversions between metric and Imperial/U.S. Customary are almost always provided, at least at the beginning of an article or section. The only question is which is provided first. An extreme example in the opposite direction is my careful provision of metric equivalents for yards and feet at Yankee Stadium and Yankee Stadium (1923), even though metres are almost never used in discussing U.S. baseball games or horse races. The object is to allow as broad a selection of readers as possible to read as many articles easily as possible without having to consult reference works or do too much mental arithmetic. —— Shakescene (talk) 04:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. The guy was totally removing feet and inches using the term "medieval" in his edit summaries. So I put them back. If someone wants to have it as meters (feet) instead of feet (meters), that would be fine. But meters without feet is a slap at the USA. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:42, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:UNIT addresses the issue. While imperial units aren't mandated to be used wth SI units, thay are certainly permitted in most articles. Btw, when you said "medieval", I half-expecpted that someone had used cubits! - BilCat (talk) 13:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think "a slap at the USA" is a bit strong. There are millions of educated people in this world who won't even know that, except for their scientists, and those who publish internationally, the USA uses the Imperial system. However, it makes good sense for all measurements to be easily accessible to all readers. I commend your efforts, Shakescene, with respect to Yankee Stadium. Bielle (talk) 01:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you! As you well know, my jokes cost nothing, and worth the price. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Battle of France
Hello Baseball Bugs!

Thank you for showing goodwill to contribute to the article Battle of France. Another discussion about the lead image is on-going and we would appreciate if you give us your point of view about a proposition of collage including the current photo and three others. You can read the thread here.

Best regards. Mouloud47 (talk) 17:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

A small project for you
Forbes is complaining that we don't have an article on Gladys Gooding, the famous Brooklyn Dodgers organist. Looks like there are lots of sources. Kaldari (talk) 18:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How many ballpark organists have articles? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ten it looks like: Category:Stadium organists. Kaldari (talk) 23:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Bugs
I left it for the short term, but I had only seen it on the edit screen. Now that I look at it again, I didn't think it should stand. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:34, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * He didn't appreciate it... Hey, have a nice weekend! Football! Wings! Drmies (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

He survived
See his returning remarks. Bielle (talk) 03:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

More phallic phobia
See Talk:Reciprocating engine, which links to an old discussion with several of your wise cracks. This one could use a few too. :) - BilCat (talk) 18:07, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

The Cow
I'm not her. I would give you at least 3 reasons why if I had been around here long enough to know about stuff like that. Being a newbie, I can't help you though. You'll have to do the detective work yourself on the differences in editing style, subject matter, and other peculiarities that make your remark less than accurate. Shell (Nut Case) (talk) 00:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Correct. So far, all evidence points to a user who used to pretend to be a blind kid but was really a middle-aged pervert. Just waiting on an IP lookup to verify. -- <font color='#ff0000'>k <font color='#cc0033'>a <font color='#990066'>i <font color='#660099'>n <font color='#3300cc'>a <font color='#0000ff'>w &trade; 19:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm in an arbitron! Oh noes...
Made one comment. BAM! In one. Some even made a vote and got included... --<font color="BlueViolet">Hinata <font color="BlueViolet">talk  23:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Beware of attacks. Ya gotta watch out for them arbs barbs. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Apparently...
...as if the sockpuppets weren't bad enough, now we have to look out for suckpuppets, too! - The Bushranger One ping only 06:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

War (2007 film)
Can you please answer my questions about War (2007 Film)?

1. Rogue's about to murder Crawford, but Tom manages to shoot Rogue in the face. Rogue's presumed dead.

2. Rogue's still alive. Rogue locates Tom's house. Crawford believes that Rogue killed Tom, Tom's wife, and Tom's daughter.

3. When Rogue uses a sword to fight Shiro Yanagawa, Rogue says, "My real name's Tom. I killed Rogue. I used plastic surgery to change my face." Shiro hired Rogue to kill Tom & Tom's family.

4. Since Shiro sent Rogue to Tom's house, it's because Crawford gave Tom's address to Shiro.

5. When Tom fights Crawford, Crawford realizes that Tom's still alive & Crawford realizes that Tom killed Rogue.

6. Crawford says, "I thought that you killed Rogue at the beginning of the movie. Shiro told me that his henchmen were going to beat you up for shooting Rogue. I didn't know that Shiro wanted you dead. I didn't know that Shiro wanted your family dead. I'm sorry Tom. Please forgive me." Tom still killed Crawford.

6. At the beginning of the movie, Tom shot Rogue in the face & Rogue fell into the water. Rogue was presumed dead. Tom & Crawford thought that Rogue died. Before Rogue went to Tom's house, Crawford gave Tom's address to Shiro. When Crawford gave Tom's address to Shiro, did Shiro tell Crawford that Rogue's still alive? When Crawford gave Tom's address to Shiro, did Shiro tell Crawford that his henchmen were going to beat up Tom? When Crawford gave Tom's address to Shiro, did Shiro tell Crawford that Tom's family was going to die? When Crawford gave Tom's address to Shiro, did Shiro tell Crawford that Tom was going to die? Since Crawford gave Tom's address to Shiro, is it because Crawford was forced to do it or did Crawford choose to give Tom's address to Shiro?

7. Is Crawford really sorry for the death of Tom's family? Is Crawford really sorry for giving Tom's address to Shiro?(99.88.78.94 (talk) 14:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)).
 * I've never seen it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

http://www.solarmovie.eu/movie/playlink/id/230242/part/1/

The Website Address shows the movie called War (2007 Film). Do you have time to watch movie called War?(99.88.78.94 (talk) 22:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)).
 * I don't trust websites like that. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How come you don't trust websites like that? Can you please watch the movie called War on some website?(99.88.78.94 (talk) 08:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)).
 * Anything that runs something like a video could plant a virus. Otherwise, I'm not all that keen on battle movies. I got more than my fill of it in "Lord of the Rings". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Frequency (film)
1. Have you seen the movie called Frequency (2000 Film)?

2. Do you like to watch the movie called War(2007 Film)? YES OR NO.

This website address shows the movie called War (2007 Film).

Are you fine with this website address or will this website address plant a virus on your computer?

Is this website address illegal? If this website address is illegal, then I did not know about it.

When I go to this website address, my computer doesn't prevent me from watching movies & tv shows.

http://www.1channel.ch/watch-1411-War (99.88.78.94 (talk) 20:37, 16 September 2011 (UTC)).


 * (1) Never heard of it. (2) No. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:09, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Face/Off 1997 FILM
On wikipedia, the plot summary doesn't answer any of my questions. Are you able to answer my questions one by one? Are you able to write an answer for each of my questions?

1. Castor Troy has a girlfriend, Sasha.

2. In the movie, does Castor find out that Sasha gave birth to a kid? Yes or No.

3. When Archer breaks out of the prison, Archer goes to Dietrich's apartment. When Archer goes to Dietrich's apartment, Sasha is on top of Archer's body. Sasha, Dietrich, & Dietrich's henchmen don't know that Archer has Castor's face. If Sasha hates Castor Troy, then why is Sasha on top of Archer's body & why does Sasha kiss Castor/Archer?

4. When Pollux Troy informs Castor that Archer's sitting inside Dietrich's apartment, Castor sends the FBI Team to Dietrich's apartment.

5. Since Pollux & Castor are brothers, it means that Pollux & Castor love each other.

6. Castor & Pollux are evil. I know that Castor & Pollux are not gay. I know that Castor & Pollux are not bi-sexual.

7. Since Castor's sending the FBI Team to Dietrich's apartment, I know that it's because Castor wants to kill Archer.

8. Since Castor's sending the FBI Team to Dietrich's apartment, is it because Castor hates Dietrich? Yes or No.

9. Since Castor's sending the FBI Team to Dietrich's apartment, is it because Castor wants Dietrich to die? Yes or No.

10. Since Castor's sending the FBI Team to Dietrich's apartment, is it because Castor hates Dietrich's henchmen? Yes or NO.

11. Since Castor's sending the FBI Team to Dietrich's apartment, is it because Castor wants Dietrich's henchmen to die? Yes or NO.

12. Since Castor's sending the FBI Team to Dietrich's apartment, is it because Castor hates Sasha? YES OR NO.

13. Since Castor's sending the FBI Team to Dietrich's apartment, is it because Castor wants Sasha to die? YES OR NO.

14. In this movie, does Castor love Sasha? YES OR NO.

15. In this movie, does Castor stop loving Sasha? YES OR NO.

16. Does Sasha love Castor? YES OR NO.

17. Does Sasha stop loving Castor? YES OR NO.

18. When Castor sends the FBI TEAM to Dietrich's Apartment, Castor was pointing the gun at Sasha. Since Castor was pointing his gun at Sasha, was Castor planning to shoot Sasha? YES OR NO.

19. Since Castor was pointing his gun at Sasha, was Castor trying to lure Archer or Dietrich into a trap? YES OR NO.

20. Since Castor's bullet entered Dietrich's body, it cause Dietrich to die. Since Dietrich died, is Castor happy about Dietrich's death? YES OR NO.

21. Does Sasha realize that Archer has Castor's face? YES OR NO.

22. After Lazarro's funeral, if Sasha realizes that Archer has Castor's face, then how did Sasha realize the truth?

23. When the African American man threatened to shoot Sasha, is that when Sasha realized that Archer has Castor's face? YES OR NO.(99.88.78.94 (talk) 20:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)).


 * Geez, Bugs, you've found a new friend. How did you manage that? PhGustaf (talk) 21:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * My popularity knows no bounds. Regarding the many questions, unfortunately it has been a long time since I've seen that film, so I remember very few details. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:27, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

http://www.1channel.ch/external.php?title=Face%2FOff&url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tZWdhdmlkZW8uY29tL3YvQVBPOU1CUzY=&domain=bWVnYXZpZGVvLmNvbQ==&loggedin=0

That website address shows the movie for Face/Off movie. Do you have time to watch the movie Face/Off? Do you have time to answer my questions about FACE/OFF movie?(99.88.78.94 (talk) 07:05, 17 September 2011 (UTC)).


 * How do you know the answers to #6? I mean, you claim to know that Castor and Pollux are neither gay nor bisexual. But evil? Apparently "yes". How did you arrive at this conclusion without outside help? Doc   talk  07:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Would you be willing to take over this discussion, on either this page or yours? Because my recollection of this film is pretty much limited to the surgery (whose premise is highly questionable) and to a lot of slow-motion automatic weapons fire. And it's not the kind of film I'd want to see a second time (unlike, for example, Buccaneer Bunny. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * All I remember was Nicholas Cage doing a bad Travolta impression and vice-versa. I'd be happy to engage the fellow in some light conversation, provided he drops the demanding "YES OR NO" approach. As far as Buccaneer Bunny: love the Charles Laughton homage! Doc   talk  01:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you have time to answer all of my questions about Face/Off movie? Yes or No. Can you please watch the movie called Face/Off again? Is it possible for you to say yes or no?(99.88.78.94 (talk) 09:32, 18 September 2011 (UTC)).
 * The answer is No. I saw the movie once, and didn't like it. So I don't plan to watch it again. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

WBISP
"Beep-Beep!" 67.78.255.226 (talk) 22:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

"Beep-Beep!" 71.43.35.197 (talk) 22:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Message
It's me Sean. On Wikipedia Entertainment Reference Desk, why can't I post questions about movies? On Wikipedia Entertainment Reference Desk, I posted questions about the Superhero Movie.(Sean Archer123 (talk) 20:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)).

Message
On Wikipedia Entertainment Reference Desk, why was it terrible for me to post questions about Without A Trace Season 3 Episode 4? I was unable to understand most of the events in Without A Trace Season 3 Episode 4.(Sean Archer123 (talk) 07:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)).

Note
Above user now indef'd as a sock. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Finally, a few Sportsman's shots!
At long last, I got a Flickr user to change the license on a few shots of Sportsman's Park from the '46 WS. They're the first 5 shots here. The first photos is up at the Sportsman's article. A couple good ones of Dom DiMaggio and Ted Williams are there as well. Not amazing, but they'll help. Delaywaves  talk  02:40, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I see you've noticed they were marked for deletion. I've seen so many Fickr photos taken by the uploader's father or grandfather that I guess I just assumed those were too. I asked the guy where he got the photos, and if he says they were in the family I'll get him to change the description. Delaywaves   talk  11:31, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Have a nice day~!

 * Here, have a wrigley~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 11:07, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * User talk:Favonian
 * In the end, he gave us a good laugh~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 13:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Stop poking Cush
Hey Bugs, I thought I should point out Cush lacks a sense of humor and you should probably let him be. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 14:13, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeh, I figured that out. It's sad, but that's how some folks are. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, I personally found it quite amusing. ;-) The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 14:35, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's worth pointing out that (1) no one forced him to choose that username; and (2) I've been ribbed about my own username more times than I can count. Some folks take themselves a tad too seriously, and it's their loss. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wanna see you wiggle it... just a little bit. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:03, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Mail Address
I know this is rather sudden, and unexpected. :P I've been a member of Wikipedia for about 3 years, never overtly active, but taking interest in everything that goes on here, particularly the Ref Desks. I stopped editing entirely after shifting to a new city, where I was left laptopless for over a year (Oh the horror!! XD). And after getting it back, (the laptop, I mean), I've gotten myself the new hobby of snail-mailing people. I'm usually on the lookout for interesting, innovative, fun, witty people to write to, and I've seen you around and read your posts on the Ref Desks with many a laugh in the last couple of years, and I'd love to mail you. I was wondering whether you'd mind giving me your postal address? You can leave it on my talk page, or mail it to me at sakura.avalon2 at gmail dot com. Looking forward to hearing from you. Cheers! <font face="Broadway" color="cornflowerblue">La <font face="Broadway" color="royalblue">Al <font face="Broadway" color="blue">qu <font face="Broadway" color="mediumblue">im <font face="Broadway" color="darkblue">is <font face="Broadway" color="midnightblue">ta  18:06, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I don't give out personal info on the internet. Good luck with others. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Eeek~! This reeks of a anthrax mail in the making~! d:( -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 20:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The fact that the username means "alchemist" is not altogether comforting. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:53, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Should have given him the address of a P.O. box in Albaquwirky... - The Bushranger One ping only 20:56, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "When the Fail is so strong, one Face Palm is not enough." -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 21:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I did notice very recently that the old email address I had corresponded with you at no longer works. Toddst1 (talk) 21:34, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

=_____=" "Him"?? I'm a girl. And there's nothing fishy with my account, if you haven't noticed. A simple "no" would have sufficed, but I'm a bit upset that you find me suspicious to boot. Dunno if this might help, but here's my FB account: https://www.facebook.com/aanusha.ghosh. Do I look like spammer/troll/vandal/bad guy now?? <font face="Broadway" color="cornflowerblue">La  <font face="Broadway" color="royalblue">Al <font face="Broadway" color="blue">qu <font face="Broadway" color="mediumblue">im <font face="Broadway" color="darkblue">is <font face="Broadway" color="midnightblue">ta  04:30, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I don't do facebook, either. I don't trust it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:25, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I hear that! If anyone knew what I really looked like via something like FB, I'd never be able to edit (for instance) my favorite Holocaust conspiracy articles. You live, you learn. Doc   talk  05:45, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Notability of Superior Senators?
Hi BBB - leery of hitting the button without asking an expert. Your thoughts? --Shirt58 (talk) 12:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think minor league teams are considered notable, though not necessarily their rosters, except for those who made it to the majors or had extraordinary minor league careers. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:59, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, forgot to close the   tags.  Article only mentions two of their roster who did in fact go on to play Major League ball.  And if you say the article's OK, a far as I'm concerned, that settles it for me! --Shirt58 (talk) 12:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:REDACT or not?

 * Bugs or any lurkers around, please advice me... an IP editor on edit history of Talk:City Harvest Church keep removing his signature saying that he is not forbidden to do so according to WP:REDACT. I'm confused now, any advice or help is appreciated. Thanks and best. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:05, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * According to WP:SIGN, "Any posts made to the user talk pages, article talk pages and any other discussion pages must be signed." (emphasis in original). WP:SIGNHERE for direct linkage. (Seing the edit summaries makes me question the IP's knowledge of WP:CIVIL too.) So if his comment's on the page, his John Hancock's on the comment. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:16, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up, User:DeltaQuad just warned him and told me to poke him again should the IP return to cause more trouble. Ahem... don't get too carried away there or things might get hard for you. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:21, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problemo, glad to help out. I tend to steer clear of more contentious stuff as a rule, I know sticking an oar in is usually just inviting the sharks to bite it off. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:23, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Awww... It's time like these I miss Bugs... -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As an admin, you can electrify those oars! ;) - BilCat (talk) 18:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoa! That's another lurker~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm shocked, shocked, at this charge of a salted battery! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:29, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * My last trip to NYC, there was a fish-and-chips place called "A Salt And Battery", run by actual British people. It wasn't bad at all. –MuZemike 22:05, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent. That joke appears in the Spike Jones rendition of the William Tell Overture, from the 1940s,at about 2:10 and was probably old then. Oldies but goodies. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:40, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks at the bunny below (alt: "Don't Stand Too Close to a Naked Man")... ball carrier sighted~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 10:46, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

This is a broadcast to all bunnies that play baseball...
Click here for awesomeness! LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 03:02, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You bet! That's why I have it at the top of this page. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:37, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I think I know a good quote to put in the quote box at the top of this page. *goes to put it there* LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 12:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, I put that there. That was my first thought of what to put when I saw it. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 12:22, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If there are issues with my user page and/or talk page, I would prefer that you raise questions and comments rather than just unilaterally changing stuff. Danke. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And whatever it is, he's against it. Or he's so close he's in back of it. Those are his principles, but if you don't like them, he has others. ; ) - BilCat (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, if someone thinks he has a good idea, I'll consult my lawyer; and if he advises me to do it, I'll get a new lawyer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:18, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well! I'll see my lawyer about this - as soon as﻿ he graduates from law school. - BilCat (talk)
 * Or try my lawyer, Hon. Charles H. Hungadunga. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't that be Hungabunga? Hon. Buggy... -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 07:08, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As with this: ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cowabunga~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Needed at ANI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Concerns_with_User:Havermayer. You're saying the guy is a banned user, I need you to help me prove it. <font color="#0000FF">Rainbow <font color="#009900">Dash  !xmcuvg2MH 14:23, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't prove it. I'm going by what some editors have said. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Dude...
Really, was this useful/beneficial/appropriate/not a massive violation of WP:NPA? ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 20:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude, I could elaborate on that if the meaning is unclear. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, the meaning is clear. Piling on, poking, and beating the dead horse just really is pushing it.  Hey, I even recommend WP:OFFER to him, even considering his unique actions ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 20:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude, I'm saying that those who come here to promote a "cause" are typically of no use to wikipedia. If you can find evidence to the contrary, I'd like to see it. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:55, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you know my philosophy: everyone has something to add: some just don't know it yet. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 20:59, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Dude, I have to give you points for eternal optimism. So what are you doing dinking around with wikipedia? You're desperately needed in the Middle East. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds like the way a Mao might of fired/had executed one of his subordinates "Minister, you've done so well, your talents are desperately needed in the Middle East."--Tznkai (talk) 04:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * More like Papa Ooh Mao Mao. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Mao the dude fired/executed someone? And here I am, thinking instead that Joseph Stalin was the scourge of Russia, ayayayaya... -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 07:18, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I find it quite humorous that only Bugs, myself and a handful of others realize that this is either a) troll or b) someone so grossly incompetent that they cannot possibly edit here any longer; while others are bending over backwards to accommodate them. Oh, I've seen it before, and some people obviously cannot figure out when they're getting burned until its too late - and even then they usually don't want to admit it. This self-confessed "Lower-Class Autistic Israeli-American Genderqueer Jew" claims to be "homeless because of my gender and sexuality", has their "life threatened everyday walking down the street for being who I am" and is "raped constantly by people trying to turn me straight". Are you fucking kidding me? And they're going to have the money to hire a lawyer and sue the WMF? This person needs a good doctor. Bugs is only calling it like he sees it. Doc  talk  19:35, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I assume you're talking about . I'm waiting for he/she/it to also tell us that they are quadriplegic and do all their internet work by clenching a pencil between their teeth and tapping it out on a blackberry. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:27, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * - You're right, I was talking about Rainbow but I put this in the WalkerThrough section by accident. It gets confusing, you know: two trolls/incompetents making sweeping legal threats days apart and two AN/I discussion archived because of "smart-assery". Hey... WalkerThrough's a Christian, and perhaps could show some kindness to Rainbow, who seems to have it pretty rough. Perhaps a class-action suit that could be the beginning of a beyooo-tiful relationship for them? Doc   talk  20:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ... I'm flabberghasted~! Those melon famers, they never shut their front door~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 20:45, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I originally was assuming t'was one of those people who interpret "neutrality" as "discrimination", because not being biased towards them = discrimination against them, in their minds. Given the statements quoted above though...the Troll Alert is at Red. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:26, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * But wait - there's more. There's been a half-assed retraction of the legal threat, but public protests are not out. In fact, "most protests I've done before againist wikipedia have added tons of new editors who became permanent members of the wikipedia community." Really?! Some bleeding-heart admin will probably unblock now. Pathetic. Doc   talk  22:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ... It's like you're married for a long time and you start wearing funky underwear... -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 22:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh :> Oh, BTW: like clockwork, Rainbowofpeace has been unblocked. Not surprising. Doc   talk  23:05, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * - BilCat (talk) 23:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be interesting to put Rainbow into a tank with Walker and see which one would survive. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * If a WP admin is judging the match, it's no contest - Rainbow! If it's God, I imagine they'll both be wet for a long time. ;) - BilCat (talk) 23:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * And does anyone else find it odd that a user with the name "Rainbowofpeace" seems to cause so little peace? Or have any? - BilCat (talk) 23:45, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Indeed. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a ceiling fan paddle. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd advise y'all not to join in the possible "baiting" accusation that could be thrown at me {esp. you Bugs, as I can think of a couple of admins that would surely jump on you if you did ;P}, but I'd really like to know how this combination threat/recruiting tool works, and I eagerly await Rainbow's response. Doc   talk  23:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Bye, Doc, been nice knowing you. Send me an email if you comeback under a new name. ;) - BilCat (talk) 23:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He might come back as Cod1789. Although as a cod, he'd have to be especially wary of de bait. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Now that was a good one! You must have had the good cereal and the rest of the "good balanced breakfast" today! Doc   talk  00:06, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't understand how someone who says: "As an Lower-Class Autistic Israeli-American Genderqueer Jew I have faced alot myself so go ahead and laugh at what I'm saying Basball Bugs. But as long as I still have my life threatened everyday walking down the street for being who I am. As long as I continue to contemplate suicide, as long as I get raped constantly by people trying to turn me straight. As long as people attack my home country and rob me because of stereotypes of my ethnicity and religion (because I wear a kippah). As long as I am homeless because of my gender and sexuality I won't stand for it." Given all the bad things that happens to he/she/it everyday, how to they have time to lead protests? A per-offspring (I hope that's the correct gender-neutered word for it) who has all that sort of bad stuff happen to them on a daily basis should still be comatose in the hospital. Very odd. ;) - BilCat (talk) 00:07, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Presumably the user lives in a grate somewhere near a library that has internet access. Also, I've known a number of lesbians, and none of them are homeless, so it's hard to tell what's going on (apart from the possibility that it's an ItsLassieTime-like fairy tale). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I certainly had fairy tales in mind - it certainly stinks of gross exagerative hyperbole to the point of straining all credulity. (Other than male dog actors plating a female character, there's nothing else here in common with the Lassie morality tales!) Anyway, he/she/it clealy has a point to push, an axe to grind, and a very large soapbox, and it that isn't toned down, his/her/its time on WP will indeed be short, LGBT bully-tactics notwithstanding. Btw, if you're ready to put this thread to rest, feel free! - BilCat (talk) 08:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Lesbian? Craig Ferguson: "My uncle Scott once said, send the lesbian to me and I'll straighten her out." Makes one wonder, how is he going to "straighten" her out? ... -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:30, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Tfd: Facepalm

 * See WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 October 3
 * ... Goodness, gracious, great balls of fire~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 17:33, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like some people have been taking pages from the No Fun League's playbook. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:49, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Take a peek at my talk page history and you'll noticed a couple of them, all clad in humourless breeches and walking around with wigs. ... -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oddly enough, the ues of seems to have increased quite a bit today! I wonder why? :) - BilCat (talk) 22:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fittingly directable toward the bozo that deleted it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:14, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yup!, certianly in my case here! :) - BilCat (talk) 23:40, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Beautiful. And way ahead of me, as usual. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Although newbies may be delicious served with some Fava beans and a nice Chianti, taking a nibble is actively discouraged. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 07:06, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

nicknames of presidents article
Attracted a new editor who seems to have disparate views from all the prior editors thereon. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:08, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been so long since I've been called a 'new editor'. Golly gee! "I don't quite know how this 'wikipedia stuff' works. But it's mighty impressive."   Will Beback    talk    13:22, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And your sudden entrance here is phenomenal for a new editor. alas - I figured an "old editor" would have known about WP:CONSENSUS - ergo the use of the word.  Oh - and your suden appearance at that article making numerous edits and removals wthout deigning to see if consensus would back you.  Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:26, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank-you for the laugh
"The probability of Italy being able to enforce that law against Florida is roughly the same as the probability of Amanda Knox taking another trip to Italy." I laughed so hard I almost spilled my coke over the keyboard. Thank-you for the laugh :-) <font color="Blue" face="Mistral">Deterence  <font color="Blue">Talk 01:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. My jokes cost nothing, and are at least worth the price. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Winner???

 * According to this link, you made it but so did Scott MacDonald, Cirt, Georgewilliamherbert, MZMcBride and countless others, what gives? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 09:03, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I do note the winner of the "Lifetime Underachievement Award ". Well deserved! - BilCat (talk) 09:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Some of us are born to greatness, others have it dumped upon us. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:56, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Jewphone
I am not interested in discussing content of specific pages on my talk page, but for your personal information, the Jewphone bit resulted from a Philly talk show after 9/11. Callers where saying that the Jews hadn't gone to work that day. Host Jeff Katz finally said, yes, that's because we all got messages on our Jewphones. Then idiots started calling in asking how they might get a Jewphone for themselves. I have been trying to find a clip from the radio show, but what I have found on youtube is nor relevant. This comment is meant for your personal edification only. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 15:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

A discussion that you may be interested in
Hi Baseball Bugs, I believe that you are interested in the way opinion polls are dealt with in articles. There is a discussion taking place in Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources, releated to changing the guidelines with respect to these, that you may be interested in. -- de Facto (talk). 15:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:StateFarmCalendar2002andEagleCreekSilence.JPG
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 * Fixed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't feed the troll
Responding with taunting is exactly the wrong way to respond. Don't feed the troll. Remove the post without comment, or don't do anything at all. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Equestria Daily
A new deletion review has been created regarding an article you've recently discussed. Dr. WTF (talk) 20:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Pagemove dispute
Are you trying to get me blocked because of a page move? Shifty333 (talk) 10:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Whether you get blocked or not is up to the admins. The specific help I need is for them to fix your screwing around with the renames, since I can't fix it myself. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Bugs may not be, but I am. - BilCat (talk) 11:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Since the editor won't stop, I am now also calling for a block. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've stopped and the move has been corrected. So there's no need to block me.  Shifty333 (talk) 12:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Says you, I've nominated you for the honour of mischief-maker-then-blocked-editor, congratulations~! You're now officially BLOCKED, O'come all ye shifty ones~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 12:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Duck with orange sauce anyone? Sometimes you have to wonder why these rock-em sock-ers even try! - The Bushranger One ping only 16:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooh La La~! Oui oui, merci! As Craig Ferguson's robot sidekick Geoff Peterson, on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson might say: "The answer is... IN YOUR PANTS!~!" d:) -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The guy is a serious sock. Who'd a-thunk? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not really surprised, as I had a hunch the renaming was part of long-term misbehavior on someone's part. User:Don't Feed the Zords, whom I've not had the displeasure of encountering before, has now alerted the A-T.E.A.M. to his existence. Not a good idea. :) - BilCat (talk) 00:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The most amusing part is their continued insistiance, "I am not a sock!" - The Bushranger One ping only 00:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

It could have been worse: He could have move the New York Yankees to New York Highlanders, and the New York Jets to New York Titans! - BilCat (talk) 00:43, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Remember the Titans"! When the owner used to pay kids on the streets a quarter, to come in and sit in the stands, to make the Polo Grounds attendance look bigger. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

His attempts to move Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim to Anaheim Angels probably shows his lack of age, as anyone older than 15 probably still remembers the California Angels. - BilCat (talk) 00:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Or for us serious old-timers, the Los Angeles Angels of Los Angeles. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * At least there wasn't a page move to Boston Braves... - The Bushranger One ping only 00:51, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hush. Don't give him ideas. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The one that came to mind for me re: the current playoff tems was - at least he didn't try to merge the Brewers with the Seattle Pilots. The AL/NL conundrum might have made his head explode. MarnetteD | Talk 00:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes... the Cardinals and Brewers, squaring off in the 2011 NLCS, facing each other in the post-season for the first time since... the 1982 World Series??? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Now you're giving me ideas! Shifty's Head exploding sound like a good idea! ;) - BilCat (talk) 01:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Give him a dollar bill along with one of those does-not-compute ideas, and you'll get some bang for your buck. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:06, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * His head would really explode if we told his the Los Angeles Angels used to play in Wrigley Field! - BilCat (talk) 01:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * He seems to have stuck with the same cities, else we might also have had the New Orleans Jazz, Vancouver Grizlies, Dallas Texans (KC Chiefs) and Houston Oilers (TN Titans), et al, showing up again! At least in the Oilers/Titans' case, it really was the Tennessee Oilers for 2 years. - BilCat (talk) 01:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeh, if he had tried to move the Chicago Bears back to Decatur, I would have thrown him for a loss. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Or the Arizona Cardinals back to Chicago (pre-St. louis). - BilCat (talk) 01:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, the Racine [Avenue] Cardinals. I'm waiting for him to try to revive the Oorang Indians. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * And don't forget the undefeated Portsmouth Spartans, who're playing the Decatur Staleys right now, btw. ;)- BilCat (talk) 02:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Note to self: Visibly clear are the players of our own Wikipedia mini-league rambling on up there... d:) -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 12:48, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

AIV insulting a country
Re this: Watch it, the sheriff's a n---(bong). What? The sheriff's a n---(bong). What? He says the sheriff's near. That has to be one of the funniest scenes in any movie ever, apart from when the "nigger" sheriff finally rides up with his Gucci saddlebags. Now that's the funniest scene ever. Apart from
 * I... am not left-handed.
 * You are amazing.
 * I ought to be, after 20 years.
 * Oh, there's something I ought to tell you.
 * Tell me.
 * I'm not left-handed either.

If you've not seen that movie you really ought to. Cheers, Tonywalton Talk 23:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've seen both Blazing Saddles and Princess Bride many times. Great stuff. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * One Saturday I was in the pub with my mates and the Grand Prix was on. The commentary kept mentioning Montoya and every time they did I was muttering "You keel my father. Prepare to die". None of my mates, sadly, had seen the film and were asking what the heck I was on about, but in the end some stranger who was playing pool wandered over and asked me "But will there be Rodents Of Unusual Size?" It's excellent when two cult-fans meet... Tonywalton Talk
 * And when they baffle everyone within earshot. But as for ROUSes, I don't think they exist. Bas... AAAARGH! 23:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For Princess Bride fans I was fortunate enough to have a conversation with another editor who appreciates that film here Talk:2011 Rugby World Cup and it might bring a smile to your day. MarnetteD | Talk 00:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A user called . Priceless. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Alas, the dinner was spoiled when they mistook iocaine powder for Sweet'n Low. :( ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * "You can't hire HIM! Can't you see that he's a ni--"
 * <notices the sheriff has moved closer and can clearly hear their conversation>
 * "Excuse us for a moment"
 * "You can't hire him. Can't you see that he's a nit!"
 * "You can't hire him. Can't you see that he's a nit!"


 * BTW, here's a link to some great tits (and this isn't even a piped link. They are real tits!). Buffs (talk) 02:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * HOT! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:41, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Sexist jokes are not appropriate
This joke was sexist and not terribly funny. You've been warned before about being civil and constructive in your comments at the Reference Desk; that post was an extraordinarily ugly and ill-judged step backwards. If I see anything like it from you again, I will block you. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 04:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't actually believe Medeis is female, because women don't act like that. Sorry if the joke was too subtle for you. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes your most recent comment on the RD was sufficiently unsubtle that I've removed it Nil Einne (talk) 13:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for the above comment. It's not appropriate to respond to a warning not to tell sexist jokes about another editor with further commentary and speculation about that editor's gender. Bugs, you need to recalibrate your sense of humor if you wish to participate in discussions on Wikipedia. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I have not a clue what your issue is with what I've said. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Ref Desk Anecdote
Bugs,

In the current discussion on the ref-desk talk page in regards to Jack and Medeis, I have told a little story about some of our history together. I hope that you don't mind, but if you do, you can feel free to remove that part of my post. Buddy431 (talk) 06:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Do what you have to. I don't recall the specific argument you're talking about, and it's probably best to leave it that way. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:39, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

On vacation until further notice. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry I nearly always do I clicked submit to fast and didn't explain myself properly. I actually came here to ask you to remove it that comment, regardless of any warning. But seeing you were already blocked for basically making the same comment here, I felt the best option was just to remove it. Despite myself making a perhaps ill-advised joke earlier in the discussion, the discussion now seems sufficiently serious with clear ill-feelings on several sides, that comments like that are not helping anything. You are entilted to your POV, it doesn't mean you have to let others know of it. Nil Einne (talk) 13:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I am very angry about this block. I am fairly certain that Medeis is male. Regardless, Medeis makes a HIGHLY OFFENSIVE accusation towards Jack ("telling n****r jokes") and is not held accountable for it??? Something has gone seriously wrong here. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:36, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't want to comment much on the block nor on μηδείς (I've probably spent way too much time on that at WT:RD). But can you not understand why your comment is problematic? If μηδείς is female, saying 'you can't be female because of your behaviour' is likely to be extremely offensive (some may embrace that, but many will not). And when they have already taken offense at similar things, regardless of whether you feel their offense was merited, it definitely doesn't help the situation. In any case, if someone has said they are E, saying you are not E, unless you actually have evidence is simply not acceptable on wikipedia, as a regular at WP:ANI you must know that. (And no, you can't use behavioural evidence to prove someone's gender.) As it stands, I think μηδείς wants to remain ambigious on their gender, so even though I don't agree with the way they've gone about it, I've refrained from making any comments or assumptions (in particular I've made sure I use gender ambigious pronouns which as you may know I usually do when uncertain) except offered explainations where relevant. Also remember whatever mistakes JoO and μηδείς may have done, it doesn't excuse poor behaviour on your part, particularly since little of it was directed at you. Okay μηδείς took issue with your comment about their gender even if they identified JoO as the one who made it, but they don't seem to have been wide off the mark so it's difficult to say gives you much more latitude. BTW, you want to know the funny thing? I vaguely remember reading the joke although didn't understand (didn't think about it) until I noticed μηδείς complaining about, but for some reason I had the impression you wrote it. Nil Einne (talk) 16:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * What a poor block. Bugs, would you like it undone? All I ask is that, right or wrong, you avoid that particular thread, not because you've been a bad, bad wabbit, but because it might calm things down. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind offer. Let's leave it in place. I've never asked for an unblock, and don't intend to start now. Until Medeis is held accountable for his/her/its highly offensive accusations, especially the one I mentioned above, I don't want anything to do with this place. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. I'm quickly coming to a "the hell with this place" point myself. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll see how I feel at this time tomorrow. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me know if I can help, Bugs — HarringtonSmith (talk) 13:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind offer. I'm just royally irritated right now, so it's probably best to do nothing at this point. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Flo's assessment of the block. Come back soon Bugs!  The sun ain't good for you and there are too many (Redacted) puritans in this place. Favonian (talk) 14:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Gotta run. Toast has given me a headache. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I have received your email, Bugs. I will note that you have been previously warned that you shouldn't engage in attacks on other editors, even if you suspect they might be trolling. Responding in kind is unproductive and unhelpful. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not "attack" either Jack (for his stupid racial joke which you uncovered) nor Medeis (for his gross exaggeration of that joke). Unless you're talking about "Light current", who I made the mistake of taking your advice and zapping a couple of his stupid questions. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Saying you are not gender 'E' because of your behaviour is basically an attack particularly if that person is E. Nil Einne (talk) 16:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree. While I, personally, wouldn't assume one way or another regardless, I fail to see why it would be an "attack". I guess the defintion of "attack" has gotten stretched in the name of rainbows and unicorns and PC friendship forever. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are free to read WP:NPA. You are also free to read this 2004 version. The core reasoning why it's an attack is in both versions. Nil Einne (talk) 16:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've read WP:NPA. Sexist comments are attacks. That's alright. But I fail to see how the comment Bugs made was sexist, especially since, as far as I can tell, the person being commented about has not stated their gender at all, instead - as commented above - being ambigious about it. Having somebody else say "they're female", in that case, should be just as much an attack as somebody saying "no, they're not." - The Bushranger One ping only 16:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem is not because they made a statement or speculated on the gender of the editor. (Well that was a minor problem since said editor has already asked people not to make such statements.) The problem is because they made a comment on the gender where they used behavioral evidence to decide that person's gender. And although it's worse if that person is the gender they saying they aren't, it ultimately it doesn't matter. Saying that 'I know you're male because only a male will behaviour in the way you behaved' is also a sexist personal attack although probably not offensive as the former. (And yes as a male I would find such a statement a sexist personal attack.) If you want to believe someone is whatever gender because of how they behave, that's your choice as I said earlier, but to actually tell someone their behaviour means they are gender E, that's simply not acceptable, particularly when that person you're addressing has already expressed concerns about such statements and when people have asked you not to do so. If it helps, try substituting gender with race/ethnicity or sexual orientation. Nil Einne (talk) 17:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC) Edit: I wouldn't personally ask for a block if someone makes such a statement of me, but it doesn't mean I'm going to say it wasn't basically a personal attack. Nil Einne (talk) 17:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Were it directed at me, I wouldn't even consider it an attack, not in the least. But I guess I have thicker skin than your average denizen of the Internet. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually I suspect the average person wouldn't mind, because they'd be happy that someone perceives their behaviour as affirming their gender identity. (I'm not saying this applies to you.) That ultimately doesn't affect whether it was a sexist personal attack though. Note that, I'm not suggesting I'm some sort of super aware metrosexual. I would in fact generally be happy about such a comment to myself, but I also see that it is ultimately a sexist personal attack. Nil Einne (talk) 18:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, applying the block because he explained the reason for his comment to the admin admonishing him (rightly or wrongly) for it, is IMHO extremely bad form. It gives the impression that you're supposed to "sit down and take your medicine", and that you aren't allowed to so much as explain yourself. Should he have commented with the explanation on the ref desk? I don't know. But I do know that blocks like this don't make Wikipedia a friendlier environment - quite the opposite. A community in which "attack" is so broadly defined isn't a happy community because nobody attacks, it's a distrustful community because nobody dares says anything lest it be construed as an attack. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I strongly second Bushranger's comments. This situation proves, once again, that punitive blocks happen here all too often. Please return after this nonsense is over Bugs. Wikipedia would be a darker place without your presence. MarnetteD | Talk 16:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Your anger is righteous, Bugs; it's a bad block. Please come back soon; your sense of humor is wonderful, but sometimes misunderstood.  --  Kenatipo    speak! 17:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Enjoy your vacation. It's good to get away from this place for a while now and then. Take a drive, unwind, we'll be here when you get back. :) -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -  Opposites Attract  ‖ 17:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Count Iblis (talk) 18:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Block review at ANI
I have asked for a review of this block at ANI. <font face="High Tower Text" size="1px"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> 20:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I've unblocked you, given there is no consensus for this block. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Lot of love on that thread methinks. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 13 Tishrei 5772 21:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Please delete if you don't like this image link, wait... methinks you likey! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 03:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

A gender-neutral unblock kitten for you!
Time to come out from hiding you're no longer blocked! Have yourself some tasty stew to celebrate!

Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 13 Tishrei 5772 21:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC) <br style="clear: both"/>
 * Meh. Rabbit stew is soooooooo much better than cat. Pedro : Chat  22:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Rabbit stew has too many hares. Collect (talk) 22:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

TAGGED

 * You're it~! Don't run back into the rabbit hole again, ever... please? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:01, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Sexist jokes
The next time you make a sexist joke, at least make it a funny one. Tonywalton Talk 00:10, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, the funny ones get you in trouble the most. Of course some women know to just respond with a very good joke about us guys, but not all of them sadly. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 14 Tishrei 5772 03:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

NL
Did you know that it's illegal to insult deaf women in all but fourteen states? Arkansas, Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah and Washington. Slight Smile  00:44, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, lizard~!

 * ... Jesus Christ Lizard~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:53, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * A bad block, IMHO, thankfully overturned. Political correctness is not dead Bugs: and civility is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe if you write some FA's centered around the Greater Manchester area, you'll be immune to such nonsense in the future.  Doc   talk  03:16, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, Doc... do you really think its a good idea for Bugs to venture into the Greater Manchester area? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 03:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Good point, as apparently Bugs has to hide from half of the human race right now, as he's egregiously offended them.. Perhaps he should hide in a closet under a pile of clothes and hope that everything works itself out. Doc   talk  03:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Jesus Christ, DOC~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 03:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I nearly hit a bunny that charged right in front of my car an hour ago, almost gave me a heart attack. Chiming in to say glad to see the block undone. ^_^ AerobicFox (talk) 04:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Was it a male bunny or a female bunny? Ah, forget it. It was probably hard to tell. Doc   talk  04:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We could psychoanalyze the situation, but suffice to say the bunny, male or female, was probably closer to a heart attack than I.AerobicFox (talk) 05:04, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Jesus Christ, DOC~! ... -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 04:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * As what User:DoRD might say. And since you got lucky today, mind applying for a new vacancy? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 04:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Block review for Baseball Bugs
I would like to respectfully request a review of the block given for personal attacks allegedly made by Baseball Bugs as possibly being too harsh and not sure that I see where he was warned. It is clearly a block that doesn't sit well as given by comments posted to his talk page. It stems from a dispute on the Reference Desk talk page (that really shouldn't be there in the first place as it looks like something for WQA or Dispute Resolution).

I fully respect the blocking admin but I don't believe that the block is warranted.

I will notify the involved parties. <font face="High Tower Text" size="1px"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> 20:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock. The blocking admin gave a warning to Bugs about a comment a week after the comment was made.  Then, when he didn't like Bugs' response (which was benign IMHO), he blocked.  Admins should not be re-starting fires that have long since gone out.  Wknight94 talk 20:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock - unnecessarily punitive. Off2riorob (talk) 20:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock That's a punitive block if I ever saw one. The Bushranger also makes some good comments on Baseball Bugs' talk page.  I've never been a fan of Baseball Bugs, but this block isnt right.--v/r - TP 20:27, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak support for block. 24 hours is pretty a short block, rarely an excessive amount of time for an established user who crosses a line after being warned (and yes, Bugs was clearly warned on his talk by Tenofalltrades). The sense of "boyzone" that pervades some parts of Wikipedia is problematic, and it's simply never going to be appropriate to mock or invalidate another user's gender (and/or gender identity). Bugs was warned that his comment was across the line, and went ahead and, rather than backing off, "clarified" the joke. That's not good, and I can see how it might feel necessary to draw line in the sand before anyone got the impression that sexual jokes were ok (I know of at least one other, unrelated, case that happened recently where sexual jokes were made and the offender didn't seem to understand the problem). That said, however, Bugs's comments weren't particularly egregious, and might not even read as problematic to users who aren't already sensitised to gender-related issues. This isn't a "omg ABSOLUTELY" sort of block, and if Bugs shows some indication that he understands that fighty gender jokes aren't a great idea, I think that the issue can be comfortably concluded with an unblock. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's unnecessarily PC. The user, if I understand correctly, has not identified their gender. A comment was made that they were female. Bugs said they were not based on their comments. I do not see how the first comment that they are female is any different than Bugs assertion they are not female. Further, that the incident happened a week ago it cannot be a preventative block in my opinion.--v/r - TP 20:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said, this may turn out to be a "sensitised to gender issues"/"not sensitised to gender issues" divide, in which case I'll probably show up to be the minority here, and the community is quite capable of overruling me if so. But I do want to point out that though the initial incident happened a week ago, the warning and subsequent reiteration of the (bad) joke happened today, which would tend to indicate that, warned or not, Bugs did not grok that his behavior could be viewed as problematic. That would make blocking in response to apparent recidivism less clearly punitive. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Unblock And note that the blocking admin is well-advised not to seek any retribution in any venue. The block was absolutely arbitrary and punitive. Cheers. Collect (talk) 20:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock. A very mild joke, and a week later?!? --GRuban (talk) 20:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock - "Blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, not to punish users." GiantSnowman 20:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock - If food is stale you do not eat it you throw it away; if a comment is stale, the same rule applies. No need to make Hasenpfeffer out of the guy. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 13 Tishrei 5772 20:39, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * unblock wikipedia, pull up your big redacted possible offensive term *alt wording*/underwear and move on. this block madness is taking up apx 33% of all keystrokes on wp.  Darkstar1st (talk) 20:41, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock - That's quite a stretch to call the series of comments a sexist attack. Toddst1 (talk) 20:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock. I don't even see anything worth warning that strongly about, to be honest. I don't see that the joke (and I don't even see how it's a joke) was complained about except by the blocking admin (who is not the person it was "directed at", in which case I would take the complaint more seriously), and the response to the complaint was certainly not worth blocking over. Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 20:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Would say unblock save that Bugs has made it clear that he's not asking for unblocking. FWIW I'm no fan of Bugs' sometimes edgy approach, but would never have made this block myself and don't think it was well-judged. <font face="century gothic" color="#0E6E2D">Kim Dent-Brown  <font face="century gothic" size="1" color="#0E6E2D">(Talk)  20:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This is clearly a punitive block and should be reversed whether Bugs asks for it or not to uphold our basic principles when it comes to blocking. Like Toddst1 I also fail to see this as a clear sexist attack.Griswaldo (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock - I'm not an admin, but this appears to be punitive. I would probably not have made such a comment, but if I did, I would not have expected a block to come of it. Especially not after a week had passed, and especially not based on such a mild clarification posted on my talk page. BB didn't repeat the behavior, and so didn't violate the warning. What disruption in this 24 period are we trying to prevent, and how is it fair to block him for such an incident when he hasn't even repeated the supposedly problematic behavior? Blocks aren't intended to be just handed out like this, for mild disagreements...  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 20:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock. Per the above, the comment was a week stale, and not blockworthy. I appreciate that Bugs has not requested unblock, but the block is here for review anyway - so I'd recommend unblocking. If I knew it would not further the drama, I would have undone the block myself citing this discussion as consensus; rather, it would be better for the blocking admin to reverse the block and have done with it. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 20:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock. Stale comment + squawking about sexism + understandably annoyed and sarcastic response ≠ reasonable grounds for a block. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 21:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've unblocked Bugs, given there is no consensus for this block. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I've got this wrong... So, what I'm seeing is that Baseball bugs was unsure about the gender of a user who does not state in English her gender on the userpage, and guessed (rather reasonably) that the user is male. When someone else stated the user's gender, Bugs said "That clarifies it." A week later, that statement was taken by the blocking admin as a personal attack. When Bugs gives a light-hearted defense of the perfectly understandable gender confusion, he is blocked. I don't know everything about blocking policy, but I was under the impression that that sort of behavior was not blockable, or even warning worthy. Is there a general "don't piss off the admins, even if it's not your fault" rule? Ian.thomson (talk) 21:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock. I know it's been done now, but wow, this may be the stupidest, most ridiculous block I've seen in a long time, and the way Ten went about doing it makes it even worse. Deserves a trout at minimum. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 21:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblock. I too am late for the party, so I can only express my happiness that there is a solid consensus against that ludicrous block. Favonian (talk) 21:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (After-the-fact non-admin comment) I think it can be agreed that Bugs has a somewhat twisted sense of humor. I do too, but I also try to keep it in check, with varying degrees of success. Still, sometimes attempts at humor fail miserably, and are taken in a spirit completely opposite that which was originally intended, resulting in being hoisted on one's own petard. With all that said, I'll offer my thanks to for lifting what, IMO, was pretty obviously a punitive block. Yes, Bugs can be abrasive, but I also think he (I'm making a presumption on gender here) has a knack for seeing through a great deal of bovine excrement and spotting the core of a given issue, with more successes than failures. That's as far as I go. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (User:N5iln)  (talk) 21:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

A passing note from the blocking admin. Obviously the ship has sailed and there's no benefit to be gained from me arguing my case now, but I do wish that the community had waited a little while for any comments from administrators who have experience at the Reference Desk and who are familiar with Bugs' history there&mdash;or for input from me. Examining this block as if it were for an isolated incident without context leads to the questionable conclusion that we have achieved here; were this Bugs' only questionable edit I would not have blocked him. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You knew it was a controversial block and you should have stayed around to defend it or not made it - if you had have done that you could have been the correct person and reverted it yourself. Off2riorob (talk) 22:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * (I don't care or pretend to understand the block or unblock situation), but are you saying that blocking administrators can't even leave their keyboard for one hour? ---Sluzzelin talk  22:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In this case - Thats right - that admin knew it was controversial and blocked a user that is a long term contributor and with a clean block record for the last four years - this block was snow reverted. That admin should block himself for the same period of time as his bad block. Off2riorob (talk) 22:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The "leaving the building defense" - right after making a block which anyone would recognize as being controversial at best - does not hold water. Off2riorob is being conservative. A specific apology is called for when the opinions of others are this unanimous. Cheers. Collect (talk) 22:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 8 hours = "right after making a block" ... I guess I live a hectic life. Never mind then. ---Sluzzelin talk  22:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like TOAT spent three hours at the keyboard, and discussed the block with anyone who asked. That it was overturned after an incomplete filing here is a good indication of its inappropriateness.   Will Beback    talk    22:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not commenting on its appropriateness. As far as I'm concerned regular content editors should only be blocked if they are actually harming article space, and I disagree with a majority of blocks directed towards regular content editors, including blocks that have been proposed by a large portion of admins commenting here. I am commenting on "you should have stayed around to defend it ". How long, exactly, should TenOfAllTrades have stayed around to defend it? ---Sluzzelin talk  22:54, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Until he overturned it and blocked himself for the same period. Off2riorob (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks for the laughs. ANI strikes again. ---Sluzzelin talk  23:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, he should own his bad block in his own contribution history. Off2riorob (talk) 23:06, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I'd quite go that far, but there should certainly be an application of seafood. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:08, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In response to the passing note, I've conversed with Baseball Bugs before and he is a fine user, and one to admit when he is wrong. He was not in the wrong here.  The block was unjustified and I am glad consensus is to overturn it.  CycloneGU (talk) 22:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think "That clarifies it." is an ironic statement. It is ironic in that it doesn't clarify it.


 * I think the theme of irony is continued in the statement, "I don't actually believe Medeis is female, because women don't act like that" because clearly there isn't a simple way to identify how women "act".


 * I would chalk this up as a misunderstanding. Bus stop (talk) 23:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

This is looking like a "please move on, nothing to see here" discussion. Alexandria's marked it as resolved, I propose marking it as "archived" in 10 minutes from now ("now" being 23:33 UTC) unless anyone has a pressing reason not to do so. Tonywalton Talk 23:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I was just analyzing what went wrong. I hope that isn't the reason for a hasty archiving. I think it is an interesting issue because of the subtlty and the simplicity of the factors involved. It also involves one of the simplest and most basic issues in the "political correctness" area—that between men and women. Bus stop (talk) 23:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine, I won't tag it as archived. Seems to me though that the original issue regarding BB's being blocked has been snow closed, and wider issues of questions about men, women, Mars, Venus, misunderstandings and jokes (misunderstood or not) aren't appropriate here. Tonywalton Talk 23:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

We need to wait for the analysis by Wikipedia Review. Count Iblis (talk) 23:54, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but it has to be done... That is all. Night Ranger (talk) 00:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * User:TenOfAllTrades has got only thirty edits (those thirty look minor with no content additions) to article space in the last six months - users that are not actively contributing have got no reason or right to restrict active contributors, and if they do and they are snow reverted they should realize they are out of the zone and not use their tools for any controversial action again. Off2riorob (talk) 00:22, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

THANK YOU
To all who supported and/or put up with me in the last 24 hours and in the past. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:15, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad to have you back, Bugs. - BilCat (talk) 14:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay guys, let's have a group hug~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 15:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * (It passed that stupid TFD, btw. :) - BilCat (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, no doubt because I was getting irrated at the feet dragging by the reopening Admin even though the consensus was quite clearly a SNOWBALL (80% voted keep while only 20% voted delete isn't a good enough reason to SNOWBALL, can you believe that???) and had to start a new section to comment on the wishy-washy situation. Clearly, someone has gotten their common sense and comptency all fouled up that its beginning to cloud their Admin hat... another sure sign some of these has to be defrock of their Admin rights so as to clear the way for other editors who are more capable to rise up to the challenge of holding the mope and bucket. Thoughts? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 15:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There are times when I think a significant chunk of admins ought to be compelled to re-apply for the job. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Bugs, I was tempted to paste this photo somewhere here. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 15:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad to see your flag flying again, Bugs! --  Kenatipo    speak! 15:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the shit went down when I wasn't here; I'd have stepped up to support you, but I wasn't around for the whole time between the block and the unblock. Let this me my belated "I woulda had your back" for what its worth (probably not much).  -- Jayron  32  15:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support-in-spirit. :) Being forced to vacate for 24 hours was not totally a bad thing, though. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cleaned your closets out and got to watch the game? Maybe they should hand out blocks more often? We'd all get a lot more done. <font face="High Tower Text" size="1px"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> 18:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That, and also had a chance to organize my carrot drawer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:36, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * We'd probably get a lot more done if we didn't have to spend so much time on WP dealing with the consequences of actions by incompetant admins. I for one would like to see all adminships expire after a year or two and require re-application. - BilCat (talk) 18:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Or maybe give admin rights to all established users. That could make things interesting. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * ... Bugs, already I can hear some murmurs in the background, you've groucho marxed them again. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 19:51, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Glad to have you back, Bugs. Dayewalker (talk) 15:33, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I am also glad to see you back. I completely agree with N5iln's (Alan the Roving Ambassador) comment at the ANI thread about your ability to spot the core of a given issue (I wish I had written the whole comment but I am not that erudite or creative.) When the Blah-di-blah gets cranked up around here we need somone like you do get things in focus. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 16:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Elmer Fudd nearly got you this time, but shot himself in the foot instead. Welcome back! Favonian (talk) 16:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Elmer Fudd, hell no...d'oh! I thought it was more like Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner on the Road Runner Show. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you back, Bugs!--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Things can be much worse. I was just reading the saga of some user named Zords, whose little "prank" as the sock Shifty 333 mushroomed into a site ban. Anytime one of us gets blocked, we've boomeranged ourselves to some extent. But that Zord case was one serious boomerang. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Charles Conlon baseball park photos
Hi again BB. I know that you and other editors like HarringtonSmith have researched photos of old baseball parks so I wanted to let you know that I recently saw that Neal and Constance McCabe, who published Baseball's Golden Age several years ago, have produced a followup book entitled The Big Show  with more of Conlon's photos. You probably already have one or both books but I thought that I would mention them just in case and maybe some other of your talk page watchers might be interested also. Welcome back again. MarnetteD | Talk 20:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I need to stop by the local bookstore and see if they have the recent book. Yes, I do have the first one. Great stuff. It's interesting to see the uncropped Ty Cobb iconic pic, for example. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:46, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Hello, Bugs. I've been almost entirely absent from Wikipedia for a while, with a serious case of real life, but I did see the tail end of this brew ha ha, and I'm sorry it happened. I don't know why, and maybe I'm mistaken, but something told me you are from my neck of the woods. If so, and if by any chance you can attend the thing at the St. Paul library, this admin would be willing to buy you a real beer afterwards, with real foam and everything. If not, consider the gesture honestly intended. I've always thought you add color to this place, which is much needed at times. Cheers. Jonathunder (talk) 18:37, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

KC Municipal from Truman Library
Hey Bugs, whaddya suppose the copyright is for this photo? I know many photos from the Truman library are {PD-USGov-POTUS}, although this one doesn't seem to include Truman at all. One thing that suggests it could be PD is I've noticed some photos' thumbnails are replaced with the words "Copyright Restricted Image," which this image doesn't have. I could always contact the library if you're not sure.

P.S. I read your ordeal above - quite a nuisance! Glad to see you're back in business. Delaywaves  talk  01:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeh, it was, but I can live with it. I just hated having my blockless streak here broken. ); Regarding the KC Muni pic, I went back a step to the picture page, and there's nothing said about it. I would say wikipedia's stance would be that when in doubt, assume it's copyrighted. If it were me, I would send them an e-mail and ask them explicitly about there copyright policy. Hopefully, they could send you to a link on their site that clears it up. An email response by itself would probably be insufficient. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:10, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fortunately, it is PD. I had emailed the library about a different photo, this unusual (but not very enlightening) view of the PG. (Also PD.) She pointed me out to the full image record, where you can see it says "Unrestricted." Will be nice to have a free image of KC Municipal, and the Polo one can go in the article's photo gallery. There are a few other photos from KC Municipal, none showing the stadium itself, but a few of Truman watching games and throwing out the first pitch. Delaywaves   talk  02:41, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Not very enlightening" is putting it mildly, as the King is at Ebbets Field, not the Polo Grounds. But if the pics are unrestricted (beyond mentioning their source, of course) then this could indeed be another little gold mine. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:49, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Dissenting opinion
Hi Bugs, I saw your block happen just shortly before my "5-minute" service outage for a network upgrade, that turned into a 30-hour saga, with 3 hours on hold and not leaving the house for a minute all day then the Telus guy showed up at 4:30 PM - so I missed the fun. I would have vigorously defended your blocking at the time. Less vigorously now, having read your comments over several times, but I would still defend it as appropriate and well within admin discretion: So even though I'm an internet-week behind, that's what I would have said. Doubtless I'd get the questions of competence and mainspace edit-count as well, but that's still what I would say. Going forward (and as a given, I think you are a good all-round contributor who often makes witty and very perceptive comments, even when I groan while I laugh), please think again about how you approach the desks. They are a totally superfluous space, apart from, yet part of, English Wikipedia - and they are a beautiful little garden where the very best contributors are the gardeners pottering around, digging about interesting little questions, and they are very tolerant people. Just like your own experience, everyone comes across that space and tries to figure out what to do with it. Some people decide they can make their own rules and have to be disabused of that notion, and you are an edge case for that. Everyone frequents the desks for their enjoyment, just leave enough space for others to enjoy equally. Please keep an internal watch over your own witticism and irony (you are pretty good with the puns though) and recall that the project will not suffer if you don't comment; and please stop getting personal there, whether in disputes with other respondents, or especially your perennial jousts with drive-bys and trolls. You are just as much an enabler as anyone else, more into irrestible target territory for trolls. Given the ANI reaction to your block, you have every reason to send this to archive straightaway, but there you go. And there is the tl;dr Telus revenge for keeping me off the internet and if you read this far Ha Ha Made You Read! :) Regards. Franamax (talk) 04:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It was appropriate within the current context. There was a highly acrimonious discussion happening at WT:RD, of which you were well aware. Ten was trying to sort that out before anyone from the RD community waded into unfamiliar waters (ANI) where they could get badly shark-bitten. Your actions were not helping to calm things down. One interpretation would be that you'd decided to take the line of "they're saying they never said what gender they were. so I'm going to call them a he, and if they're a she, they will have to say". Anything along those lines would be disruptive, given the tense situation. Even given the interpretation that you were indulging in irony (whatever random stereoetype of women), that was far too obscure in the context. Since you didn't back off and any further posts on those lines would only tend to worsen things, a preventive block was justified.
 * It was appropriate in the long-term context of your behaviour at the Reference desks. I hope you'll agree with me that your edits there are a long way from what they were shortly after you discovered the RDs, and that a bunch of people worked for quite a while to wrestle you down from what you originally thought they were all about. And you still, though less and less, need to rein it in occasionally. This was one of those times, and instead of recognizing it and just backing off with or without an explanation, you showed every sign of continuing. So a preventive block was justified.
 * Good advice. Keep yer piehole shut from now on if you know what's good fer ye, Bugs. That block prevented a ton of damage, and was 100% completely necessary. "A kinder, gentler Wikipedia..." it has a nice ring. Doc   talk  04:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Doc9871, you don't seem to have opted in to the edit counter, can you give me a quick rundown of your activity at the Reference desks? I don't recall having seen your sig there all that often. Nor most of the other editors who commented on the block. If you wish to apply the typical confrontational style of Wikipedia, please do continue to avoid that space. Franamax (talk) 04:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no activity at the reference desk: I'm a and I've already commented on the block and seen what happened. You and I have encountered each other before in a ban discussion for an editor awhile ago, BTW. I have no need to avoid any area of WP, and I have had no one ever tell me to avoid any such hypothetical area. Until now. Bugs is fine: why not let him contemplate his block without a "I would've done the same thing" speech? Yeesh...  Doc   talk  04:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have plenty of "stalkers", and they have often kept me out of trouble, but this time I didn't see the storm coming. :( ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If it truly prevented you from causing "damage" and a block was needed, then I'll just shut my big fat mouth and apologize to all for my sarcasm. The blocking admin (and all other admins involved) acted in nothing other than good faith, and I've never thought or said that they did otherwise. "Civility blocks" are just so tricky (and unevenly applied), you see. Cheers :> Doc   talk  05:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * e/c with the page owner no less! so I get to orange-bar you once more. :) I was trying to explain to Bugs more of the rationale (or at least what I construe as the rationale) behind Ten's block as I am in a similar, and relatively unique, position to Ten in that I am very familiar with the RD environment, the ANI environment, and the general confrontational enviornment that pervades many article-related spaces but not the RDs. I (mistakenly) was trying to communicate with Bugs on that basis, but of course anyone is free to comment. I just didn't find your seemingly off-hand and all-too-generic comment helpful, and I responded with some snark as I'm really trying to focus on the RD-related issues (which no-one else seems to have done). Apologies, and you are of course welcome to encounter the Desks at your convenience and pleasure, and mayhap you will become another of those aforementioned excellent contributors. Cheers! :) Franamax (talk) 05:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I "chime in" at AN/I from time to time. No offense taken or meant, and Cheers :> Doc   talk  05:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sarcasm is not unwelcome here. Just be prepared to get what you give. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:32, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * As I noted here and on ANI, the block did serve some useful purpose (other than besmirching my block history), so despite the "early release", I waited a full 24 after my last edit, by which time I was calm again. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:05, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well now that you are all sorted out again and have recieved both beer and kittens, you are needed at a thread which has quickly turned to the topic of microwaving infants and/or toddlers . Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15 Tishrei 5772 05:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm reminded of one of Robin Williams' jokes from a few decades back: "Let's put Mr. Hamster in the microwave... Pop goes the weasel!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That's tame compared to the show he put on at our Uni. Now THAT was comedy (I also have not heard the word fuck used so much since I watched Natural Born Killers). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15 Tishrei 5772 06:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Somewhat related is this story told by Alan King: ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Back when I lived in Ontario, I decided to naturalize my 1/2-acre back yard, ie stop mowing the grass. After 5 years you will have almost all native plants, after 10 you will have a diverse functional bit of paradise with no uncontrolled weeds and dozens's's of plant and animal species in the space you put aside for God to work on. And the township bylaw dude, who decides he has other priorities when you show him appeal court decisions on freedom of expression. One time I was sitting on the back patio and noticed something darting around. It turned out to be a very young weasel sheltering under a bit of plywood. It could have run away up beside the wall, but that wasn't how it came there, and it couldn't figure it out - so I went back in the house to ease the stress. A month or two later, I was awakened in the middle of the night by an unearthly and chilling scream. My eventual conclusion is that little weasel grew up and killed a rabbit for dinner. I was so proud of that yard, including the bunny rabbits that called it a sanctuary - and now I had an apex predator too. Mixed feelings, but naturalization was my aim, and I'd truly achieved it. No relation at all to current events, just gratuitous personal anecdote about wabbits and weasels. :) Franamax (talk) 06:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Poor little bunny. ); ); ); So, did you leave your lawnmower out in that wilderness area, for creatures to nest in and so forth? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a whole 'nother story, when the grass was pretty high in the back and I was pushing through it with the mower. They waited right 'til the last moment and all of a sudden just in front of me the lawn exploded wirh mommy and little baby rabbits dashing off in all directions. I shut off the mower and ran away, pleading with them "I didn't know". They never came back to their little home and I realized later that I left the monster behind, I should have dragged the mower away with me. That wa actually one of the big moments that crystallized the nature thing, and at least the back part near the stream never got cut again. It went on from there, those bunnies were practically begging for weasels after I bowed out. :) Franamax (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Leaving something by the curb is the surest way of getting rid of it. As regards rabbits and weasels, nature is what it is. As Woody Allen said in Love and Death, "Nature... is basically a gigantic restaurant." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I am stuck on the first comment way above: "It was appropriate within the current context." Unless I'm missing something, there was nothing "current" about it. There was an entire week between the context and the warning/block. That's what caused the snow unblock IMHO. Wknight94 talk 16:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey Bugs, although I don't agree that a block was necessary in this case, I'm disappointed to hear that you're still telling sexist jokes at the Reference Desk. It's great to have some humor to lighten the mood, but please consider being more respectful of your female colleagues. Thanks. Kaldari (talk) 17:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah Wknight94, there ya go, precisely. You read one sentence then decided it was time to stop reading and start talking. I could have saved all those extra word thingies after, where I explain what the context was. That is exactly how the situation was evaluated at AN/I, superficially. Franamax (talk) 17:54, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that's a poor assumption. I read the whole note.  None of it addresses my point, i.e., do you really think there was still so much tension a week later?  Seems to me that the entire thing had pretty much blown over and Bugs' remark was left well in the past.  Wknight94 talk 18:29, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The comment sighted in the block summary was made on the same day as the block. Regardless, this was not an isolated incident. That said, I think there are better ways this could have been handled. Kaldari (talk) 18:37, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What was the link to the 2010 discussion about? You lost me there. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember that one, "Give a woman a diamond and watch what happens" (in the collapse box). Not one of your finest moments. Franamax (talk) 23:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you're too young to remember the songs, "Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend" (a Marilyn Monroe hit), and the theme from Diamonds Are Forever. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:32, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * True, but I'm not too young to remember Larry Summers saying that women are underrepresented in science and engineering due to their lack of "intrinsic aptitude". Sexist stereotypes just aren't funny, and they're certainly not appropriate for discussions with your colleagues on Wikipedia. If your jokes had been about race instead of gender you would be banned from the project already. The fact that Wikipedians have a higher tolerance for gender jokes doesn't make them OK. Wikipedia attracts a diverse group of contributors and we should be respectful of those differences, not poking fun at them or using them to demean people. Although it may seem like harmless fun, to some people it is hurtful and unwelcoming. Kaldari (talk) 02:11, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Summers got a bad rap on that one, as I recall he was actually suggesting that such possibilities should be explored as a possiblr causal factor, which could be institutionally mitigated. I still don't understand what is wrong with noting that if such factors exist, they should be taken into account. I have the map setting on my GPS receiver to always have north at the "top" of the display, my sister has hers set to orient the map to the way she's facing. And she's the one who says it's a biological difference. There's a ton of literature on the differences in how men and women contruct mental "place-maps". And Summers wasn't cracking a joke or blindly perpetuating a sterotype, he was just raising a question. But I digress... Franamax (talk) 02:27, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You know, there's a part of me that can't help but think if Bugs had said "I don't think so-and-so is male, men don't act like that" there wouldn't have been the slighest peep of protest. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:31, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't at the movie openings, no, but thanks to TCM I'm able to access those spiritual states - and I am well aware of the general trope. There's two points here: first, your response at that thread was gratuitous, as unlike most of the other responses you were not providing sourced evidence of a link between giving diamonds and women achieving orgasm without manual stimulation. And there is no such link, though there most probably is a link between giving of jewellery and the likelihood of having a sexual encounter (which was not the question). Now quite obviously, you were trying to make a joke, the smiley-face being a definite clue. So let's look at that humour. We have tons of problems already on the Desks where if a (good-faith) question even remotely involves human sexuality, the sniggering teenage boys at the back of the class feel compelled to jump in with a guffaw or two, and that doesn't fit well with how we try at times to at least pretend we're a valuable encyclopedic resource. And we come back to what I suggested above, that whilst you enjoy yourself at the desks, you should also leave room for others to have enjoyment too. Your comment was meant to be humourous, and yeah, I got the joke. But that's the kind of joke you let out at a poker game with the guys, or dressing after playing hockey, or whatever. Or in mixed company when you know all the people. But would you turn to the person sitting beside you on the bus and say it? Because Wikipedia isn't a locker room or a poker game where everyone know everyone else, it is a bus, and a darn crowded one at that. Your joke would leave a large proportion of our readership cold, either not understanding at all, or feeling somehow insulted. So that's where I feel you're more indulging just yourself, or you and the limited audience that "gets it" (which as you just said, is only the decrepit old farts anyway ;). It's not a requirement for political correctness, just pick your moments. You are well able to crack humour that has broad appeal. Me, I'm about 50-50 on small-smiley comments on the RDs, between commit and kill window. And to Bushranger, noo-o-o, calling a male editor a female is pretty likely to get you a very quick response. It's like the surest way to find out if someone is Canadian - call them American. :) Franamax (talk) 05:03, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * They're all Americans...they're just hiding in the closet. They can't help that they're in the 51st state.


 * If the Ref Desks are such high profile, why are such threads as Medeis vs. Jack of Oz going on the talk page? That should have been shut down and rocket launched to either WQA or DR. <font face="High Tower Text" size="1px"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> 05:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You're unwittingly backing up what LC once said to me, that no one cares about the ref desks. Meanwhie, it's becoming clear to me that even properly sourced male-female humor (such as well-known songs and comedians) has become off-limits, even in questions about the subject. That's sad. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:52, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Bugs, do you like your carrots boiled, baked, fried or raw? Gwen Gale (talk) 06:34, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Raw. Nice and crunchy. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:35, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh, up until a few years ago, we could just shut off the natural gas exports, and the Americans would be the shivering ones. That was before shale gas, which the world now has tons of, but they'll still take our (supposedly) dirty crude oil, which note, is proposed to be piped unrefined down to where the refineries have grandfathered (high) emission limits.
 * The RDs are not high-profile at all, they exist as a dumping-ground for inappropriate Help desk questions, although they do rank up there on my watchlist with the ANx boards as most-recently-changed. The simple (though incredibly patronizing) answer to why disputes don't get bumped up is that the RD community tries to solve its own problems, and many deskers would not stand a chance in the rough-and-tumble of the general encyclopedia, where sharks circle in all waters. To start with, WP disputes are evaluated as to their potential to damage the encyclopedia articles, and in the case of RD disputes, the risk is essentially zero. So who would even bother to comment, except to take the desks to MFD? Bugs, yes, no-one cares about the RDs, that is what makes them such a special happy place. And I'm missing something here, did Marilyn Monroe say that diamonds gave her an orgasm without manual stimulation? The subject was female orgasm, not what pleases females in general. And to return a bit to Bearean's statement, where else on Wikipedia would you have potentiallly made that comment? You made it on a RefDesk, was that because you think the desks are a good place to make jokes? You make many edits at AN/I too, how well do you think such humour would go over there? Franamax (talk) 06:35, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe you missed the quote from Jay Leno, about women in a survey about what turns women on, actually being turned on by the money they received for participating in the survey! Underscoring that joke is the fact that women, in general, are practical, and not so sex-obsessed as males are alleged to be. Regardless of that subtlety, apparently Jay would get run off wikipedia if he made that joke here. (Generally related jokes by Lenny Bruce, Jerry Seinfeld, Larry Miller and Chris Rock immedately come to mind, and if they were users, they would probably get banished also.) The ref desks did, indeed, begin as a spinoff of the help desk, as questions began to appear that were about facts rather than about wikipedia as such. ANI is mostly about disputes between users, so I can't think of a likely context in which pointing out the practical side of women would figure into it, outside of an edit war about a related article. In reference to the OP's question from early 2010, I've known women who could climax with very little direct stimulation. That's OR, of course. 0:) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

ah-WOO-ga!

 * First edit was on his own user page, not good. Second edit was on Pershing's article page with a misleading edit summary, and my alarm bell just went a-klaxon-ringing... Bugs, do you spot any similarity to the "nigger"-yapping jerk we dealt with last year or can any patrolling Admin help with this guy? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 17:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to say this chap has me smelling dirty socks too. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:05, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just checking, summer vacation is over, right? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would think it ends well before Columbus Day. Regarding Pershing, I recall an editor who was obsessed over the nickname "N*gg*r Jack". I can't think of his username, but it should be easy enough to find. Is that the character you're talking about? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the guy! Think he was eventually BANNED by the community, no?-- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:12, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Mk5384, perhaps? - The Bushranger One ping only 02:02, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ah-WOO-ga! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 02:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, that sounds like the one. I don't think this particular guy is him, I think he's just a vandal. Mk5384 was acting in good faith, but wrong-headed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ah-WOO-ga! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 02:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, that sounds like the one. I don't think this particular guy is him, I think he's just a vandal. Mk5384 was acting in good faith, but wrong-headed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Truman Library photos
Good grief, of course that's not the Polo Grounds. Shows how gullible I am! There are quite a few good baseball pics there; many boring ceremonial first pitches, but also some shots of the Walter Johnson plaque dedication at Griffith, Truman meeting with Clark Griffith, and some others. If you're interested, I also noticed that on the JFK library has a bunch of other photos from his visit to Griffith in '61. Delaywaves  talk  22:14, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

ANI thread
Just had to say that your posts at the Abusive sysop are spot on. Especially the once about taking 5 or 10 seconds to investigate what was going on. If I had any talent at all with photo shop I would try to whip up a userbox that stated that "AGF isn't just for newbies". It has felt for some time now that that long term editors experience with trolls/puppets/POV editors etc etc is not valued at all. Frustration over that is driving responsible admins away just at a time when we need them the most. Well thanks again for cutting through the BS and isn't it nice that we only had to wait three days for the World Series to start this year? The year the Rockies made it they had to wait nine days and, although they probably would have lost anyway, that destroyed the momentum that they had enjoyed the previous four weeks. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 16:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. And well-stated, better than I. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Please don't do that again
Comments like this one are not acceptable, and I'm asking you once, nicely, to refrain from making such blatantly offensive comments in the future. --Conti|✉ 17:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are out of line. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Clearing the page so nothing will encumber the block notice that I'm likely to get for calling admins on their incompetence. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Here. Cuz I think you could use some laugh medicine. Delete as desired. Peace out. *hugs* --<font color="#111111">‖ Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites  ‖ 18:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Final warning
Kindly refrain from comments about me: I carefully looked over the Chinese culture issue before blocking. And yes, you have attacked the blocking admin — lots. Believe me, I don't like blocking admins, but this was the appropriate thing to do, as it is also for uninvolved admins to block people who persist in calling other stupid and clueless. Nyttend (talk) 01:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A wise admin once informed me that it's important to keep admins' "feet to the fire". Hopefully you've learned something from your mistakes on this occasion, and will act more wisely in the future. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:59, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Smelly sock

 * WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Arun1paladin‎
 * What a big mess... see also the loud quacking now by a newly registered user, I'm really lost for words and I'm going to stay off for a while... everytime I see this, I get a big headache. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 02:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Holy Mother-of-Pearl! And such exotic names. Arunantamil and Vyaghradhataki, I could see. But HudsonBreeze? Where did they come up with that???

Regarding headaches, keep this in mind, from Horse Feathers:


 * Groucho: I got it... haddock!
 * Chico: 'at's-a funny, I got a haddock too!
 * Groucho: What do you take for a haddock?
 * Chico: Sometimes I take an aspirin, sometimes I take a calomel.
 * Groucho: I'd walk a mile for a calomel!

←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:46, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

It's Over 9000 !!!!!!!!!
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is It's Over 9000 !!!!!!!!!. Thank you. -- :) Dianna (talk) 04:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've undone that edit, and Bugs, please do not react (over or otherwise) to that. SirFozzie (talk) 04:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to the above? It's pretty funny.
 * Although I've got some work to do if I'm to win the Wide Receiver "Vexatious Litigant of the Year" award again this year. :)
 * ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hush... those were meant for someone else, however you belong to another category altogether. Yeah, I'm back... the haddock's gone. d:) -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And so now you're editing just for the halibut... - The Bushranger One ping only 17:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Personal attacks
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at [[:]]. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Your use of words such as "idiotic", "troll", "bad faith editor", "blatant lie" etc. is quite offensive and against wikipedia policies WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA, WP:AGF, and you need to refrain from this. Wangleetodd (talk) 23:06, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude, or dude-ette, that train has left the building. Contribute constructively, and you have nothing to fear. Move along, folks, move along. --<font color="#111111">‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel  ‖ 23:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Met Stadium photos
Hi again, I just got a Flickr user to change the license on a great series of abandoned Met Stadium photos. (Their descriptions on Flickr all include the fact that he took them, so we should be OK on the deletion front.) I decided to put them in a gallery on the Met's article, but had to remove your closeup of the red Killebrew chair due to a lack of space. Please change anything you'd like, since it's pretty rare for me to make edits like this without flaws! Delaywaves  talk  22:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, awesome and also sad. The closeup of the chair is still in the MOA article, so that should be OK. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Guys: Couldn't resist tweaking Beatles caption; you know my caption compulsion. Great add, Delay! — HarringtonSmith (talk) 23:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cute. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:16, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ironically, the original ticket stub, by itself, would probably fetch hundreds of dollars as a collectible. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:45, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

question
How long are you going to keep encouraging DeeperQA? As they say in the deep south, you can't kill a weed by dumpin' crap on it; weeds like that.-- Ludwigs 2 15:38, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to figure out where he's coming from, or what his complaint is. But I'm beginning to think that figuring it out is going to be a tall order. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:51, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't think he's that complex. he's obviously relatively smart and highly opinionated, and he's come to the conclusion that the project is (for some reason) suppressing his viewpoint.  He's got that kind of defensive activism that you see in extremists on both ends of the spectrum (that "I have a right to force you to listen to me" thing), and I suspect he is reveling in being indeffed because in his mind it (a) proves we think he's important enough to take action against, and (b) confirms his sense of victimization.  I actually think he might be a good editor if he could get the chip off his shoulder, but that chip is so much a part of his wikipedia identity that I'm not sure that's possible.


 * No idea how old he is - he sounds a lot like a college undergrad - so it may just require some maturing. or maybe he's an ideologue who's never going to mellow.  But either way what he needs is some time away form the conflict for his attention to wander.  if you really want to talk with him, I'd suggest you drop it for a month and try again; see if anything's shifted.  -- Ludwigs 2  21:51, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I was thinking he really did not "get it" and I was trying to explain it. But it's running the risk of getting circular. So laying off for a stretch is probably a good idea, unless the tone takes a positive turn. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * His comments are making less and less sense, so I have taken him off my watchlist for the time being. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:40, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Any idea...
...what the heck this was about? Wknight94 talk 22:13, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No earthly clue. I don't usually revert stuff from other users' pages, but along with posting his stupid insults, he also rubbed out someone else's edit, and of course we can't let that happen. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:18, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I just can't imagine what they're referring to. All I could find where me, baseball, and the year 2006 crossed paths was Articles for deletion/Fort Myers Miracles players from several years ago.  Otherwise, I'm at a total loss.  Wknight94 talk 22:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Whatever he's ranting about, I'm not seeing it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:45, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Re: the above AFD, perhaps User talk:Johnny Spasm this discussion is relevant. Just a stab in the dark. - BilCat (talk) 23:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * This is quite odd: I Googled "Johnny Spasm", and this came up: A ling to JS's user page, plus a few pics of some Miracle players. Quite odd. - BilCat (talk) 23:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Meanwhile, I was kind of taken by the guy who said something about Jesus being a "mythical creature", and his admonition to "please refrain from being ignorant". That belongs in the famous-quotes collection. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:36, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Survey for new page patrollers
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 * Thanks for the invite. I don't generally do surveys, especially not at weird-sounding websites. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * SurveyMonkey is reputable, just with a very silly name. But then again I don't do surveys either! - The Bushranger One ping only 16:06, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For my standard answer to any given survey, please consult the Groucho Marx quotation near the top of this page. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Ridiculous arguments
I hope you don't plan on getting anything productive out of this discussion. It doesn't look to me like he is taking the conversation seriously at all, so unless you are just taking it lightly yourself, I doubt you will find any actual closure or satisfaction in trying to reason with him. &mdash;Akrabbimtalk 14:42, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Which is why I've stopped responding. He keeps talking about the British government being a sockpuppet of Wikipedia, and how such sockpuppetry has been illegal since 1776. Funny, I didn't think the internet was around in 1776. But what do I know? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you have to wonder, when people have such a bizzare view of the world, how they've managed to function in it... - The Bushranger One ping only 18:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sometimes tempted to ask a user something that Frasier once asked Cliff in the old TV show Cheers: "What color is the sky in your world?" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.
Re:  Very decent of you. Thanks for noticing, caring, and doing something about it. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm not sure why TT is on my watch list. If we had any encounters in the past I don't recall anything specific. But anonymous hit-and-runs are not acceptable. If I had admin authority I would also have immediately blocked the IP for 24. (Maybe it's a good thing I'm not. Besides, you took care of it.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:08, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

AN/I
Please stop stirring the pot here. We are well past the point where anything constructive is being discussed. Comments that don't speak to how to reach a productive resolution to the original content dispute are disruptive. If you think user conduct on the part of Maunus or anyone else needs independent review, you can pursue the appropriate channels separately. Regards, causa sui (talk) 20:20, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The only "productive resolution" would be to put the admin on ice for a week or two. Like that's going to happen. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:02, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Otium
This is my latest article. Feel free to make any improvements. --Doug Coldwell talk 19:36, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty good at first glimpse. I'll read more of it when I get some more of it. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I have recently added a Background section.--Doug Coldwell talk 10:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Expanded article. Any ideas for a DYK hook?--Doug Coldwell talk 11:07, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

AN/I
Hey bugs, your comment in the ludwigs2 thread got deleted in the midst of a big edit conflict, do you wanna repost it or alternatively I don't mind doing it. N <sup style="color:red;">o f o rmation <sup style="color:black;">Talk  02:00, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I see that it got put back. Thanks for letting me know about it. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

IF!....
If there were a barnstar for "Being the voice of common sense and reason", you'd be one of those I presented it to. Thanks, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  17:02, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. But given my reputation here, I'd best not let it happen again. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * LoL!!! I sometimes disagree with you (probably far less than the times I agree with you), but I've always respected and appreciated your bluntness and the fact that in the face of adversity you never try to explain away your reasonings with backtracking rationale. R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  17:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha. Well, I might try to weasel out of things, but I'm not very good at it. I guess I'll never be able to run for public office, as weaseling is a required skill. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:27, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's always the full-bore version of this:
 * It might do in a punch pinch ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 17:36, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * LoL! That would do in a punch! Errr... pinch! Consider both of you awarded one by me. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  17:39, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ummm... wow, that'll take me days (wading through BWilkens' userspace for more useful stuff)... R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  17:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, this barnstar is humiliating humbling. I'm thinking I should also get the corollary, the "you're not as dumb as you look" award. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:27, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * LoL, BWilkins didn't have one of those amongst the dozens of others, and I couldn't find one elsewhere. I'll keep an eye out though. ;-) R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  19:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My list of barnstars are merely miniaturized versions I created of the real ones, allowing one to use them like userboxes, instead of the honking banner-sized thingies :-) ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 12:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The obvious "not as dumb as I look" image would be Alfred E. Neumann, but that's copyrighted. :( ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Bugs proves it's hard being omniscient in a wiki-world of know-nothings! ;) - BilCat (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Color
I dare you.Cgmellor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC).
 * It turns that I didn't have to do anything. An admin took care of it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi im Mab546 and I am writing a sports article on the the Texas Junior Golf Tour and i was wondering what sports information i should include? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mab546 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Worst Films AFD
Even though you went the other way, you can still understand where I'm coming from, can't you? I do feel the article isn't discriminate enough to pass WP:NOT muster; we either have to be subjective on the films or be subjective on the critics. Plus the article seems to me to be more trouble than it's worth. And I doubt you would go as far as Mark that it's a needless deletion  Purpleback pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  16:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Bugs - a belated note of thanks for your encouraging comment on my talkpage at a time when I was in need of such - I am grateful - best wishes to you. - Off2riorob (talk) 19:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Otium
I've made the article more concise. Does it need more "fine tuning"? Good Article possibility?--Doug Coldwell talk 16:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Time flies like an arrow
- Alas, much to the dismay of most straight men, I'd wager. ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 17:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, at least they're theoretically available again. All I need to get their attention is to offer them rides in one of my fleet of Rolls Royces. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * How about a Ford Explorer? They rolls... - The Bushranger One ping only 19:27, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Especially if going downhill. Which is where my fantasy of hanging with J-Lo and/or Kim is rapidly going. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:31, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh grow up!
;). Love ya Bugs... -- Jayron  32  18:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As a wise philosopher once said, "There's no point being grown-up if you can't be childish sometimes." :) --<font color="#111111">‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health  ‖ 19:25, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And, apropos of nothing, Allon-zee-yah! :) --<font color="#111111">‖ Ebyabe talk - Repel All Boarders  ‖ 19:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

User:BruceWHain and Luchow's
Bugs I've been following the rather strange conversation on User talk:BruceWHain, and I'm concerned about what he plans to do when he comes off his block. Would you mind keeping Luchow's on your watchlist, and keeping a eye on it? Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. That's certainly an odd discussion, yes; but I think the user might be understanding the situation better now. We'll see. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Given his 18:45 edit ...I don't think he's understanding things at all. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oy. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Bugs: Regarding this, he's not talking about the article, he's still complaining about my restoring the talk page to some semblence of coherence. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Good grief. Well, unless he's got some changes to recommend for the article, he's accomplishing nothing at this point. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Cgmellor
I posted his unblock request the way he likely intended. Not that I think he'll be unblocked, but at least a different admin will tell them so. Yeah, weird, me. :) --<font color="#111111">‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health  ‖ 23:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's your good deed for the day. :) P.S. They declined it. That's show biz. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:36, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Good catch ... but I fixed up his original unblock a bit ...always make sure you don't sign it yourself :-) ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 23:40, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I also took away the "your reason here" part. I don't think I put my 4 tildes on it, but I'll check to be sure. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm quite clearly taking the piss you cretin! Anewhopeforcolour (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC).
 * Looks like taking the orange sauce to me. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:46, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Holy Grail
I suppose that is the reference, though it's vague and a bit of a stretch. I guess the larger question is, given how influential the film has been, how many references can we allow before it gets out of hand? ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 18:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The answer, of course, eludes us... ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 19:29, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Woohoo
Congrats Coach K! The article looks alright still and I hope we don't have to protect it. Drop me or anyone else a line if it changes, or run for admin of course. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 03:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, we'll see. I thought the ESPN interview last night was quite insightful, but someone keeps zapping it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I put it back--it was accidentally removed by a jerk. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 03:35, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * He's concerned about the foot-in-the-door for random links. I'm thinking it could be worked into the body of the article where it talks about Knight? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Albumcaps
I am requesting your further input here (or wherever the discussion may end up).— Ryulong (<font color="Gold">竜龙 ) 00:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Another interesting effect of that volcanic disruption
Hi Bugs. I noticed your comment about the cooling effect of the Indonesian volcanic eruption (the Mount Tambora for any talk page watchers that might be interested) on Off2riorob's talk page. The subsequent Year Without a Summer had one impact that I've always found interesting. In May of 1816 a group of "Romantic" writers and artists had gone to Switzerland to enjoy and commune with nature. As one of them wrote "incessant rain often confined us for days to the house". Under the influence of ghost stories that they had read (and perhaps some recreational drugs depending on which accounts you read) they decided to write their own supernatural tales. As you are probably already aware one of these turned out to be Frankenstein or, The Modern Prometheus. I still find it fascinating to contemplate that, without that volcano's eruption, they probably would have spent the summer hiking and swimming and we might not have that wonderfully influential work. As I say I suspect you already knew this but I thought I would share it with you and those that watch your talk page anyway. Have a great Turkey Day next week. MarnetteD | Talk 16:42, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
That guy's inability to see the obvious and refusal to get the point is just so damn annoying. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of the story of the really smart mule that you have to hit with a club before he'll do anything, because "you have to get his attention first." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I second that. 94.194.34.10 (talk) 00:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

This is the only warning
Why do you fight with the celebration of the highest art in this sad world.... You are against of the conception of open source, which provides the Internet Archive. Also, you against of more than 7000 of people who use the universal program "Team Viewer". All these people are the volounteers of the CC, of the organization, which gave for you large chance to use its licenses. I ask you undo all your rollbacks, which related to the songs of The Beatles. War against the OPENESS or the FREEDOM, is wrong, you can be sure. This the only warning. Take action. Otherwise, this info will lay at the table of highest staff and not only here. Besides, your activity now, is the war of edits, and you can be blocked because of this even. You must undo your illegal actions directly now. Play in war of edits nobody will. I wait results. I let you remove this message after correcting of mistakes, for saving honor. If you have any questions on this issue, you can right letter here: [mailto:metadata@creativecommons.org metadata@creativecommons.org] - 93.81.10.71 (talk) 08:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC).
 * Hit the road, comrade. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

YesAutosign template test
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Impossible!
Over the years I've noticed that you and I disagree on virtually every subject from the trivial to the profound. However, moments ago I was surprised to find myself typing "I agree with Bugs"! If we agree on whether unwanted spelling corrections are rude, it must mean that we're either absolutely correct or that at least one of us has finally gone insane. I think it's that we're correct, but maybe we should avoid heavy machinery for a couple days just to be safe. APL (talk) 08:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your good comments. My money's on the both of us being right. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:29, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

More on WP:RD/H
Do you know why the Democrats basically switched from racism to supporting black rights? C T J F 8 3 18:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the Democrats, but I saw a documentary about the propaganda war between the Soviet Union and the US in the late fifties. The Soviets were the stars in the space race while the US was ahead as being a happy place to live. And then images of black people being mistreated in the South started making it's way around the world. People were horrified. Not good, especially in newly independent African countries. That image had to get cleaned up quick as a bunny. Slight  Smile  02:47, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's amazing how long it took for the USA to live up to its supposed ideals. And it never goes away. Much of the criticism of Barack Obama has a racial undertone to it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya, land of the free, all men are created equal...what a crock of shit. Thanks again for your answers, C T J F 8 3  08:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * At least we try. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:50, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * It's an incredibly complicated question. More often, the questions asked are (1) why, when and how did the Party of Lincoln become the party of the White South? (a process that began as early as the Disputed Election of 1876 followed by Rutherford B. Hayes' removal of Federal troops protecting black citizens in the Reconstructed South; was advanced by Southern defections from the Irish Catholic, anti-prohibitionist New Yorker Al Smith in the Election of 1928; took definite form with the 1964 nomination of Barry Goldwater, who'd voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 more for ideological than racial reasons; and later became irreversible under the Southern Strategy of Richard Nixon, Strom Thurmond and John N. Mitchell) and (2) why, when and how did Negro voters move from the Party of Lincoln to the Democrats? (a process that began abortively as early as Woodrow Wilson's 1912 campaign, definitely gained pace with the New Deal, was strengthened by the Civil Rights plank in the 1948 Democratic National Convention, and became permanently entrenched with the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act of 1965, Fair Housing Act of 1968 and the Great Society programs of Lyndon B. Johnson).
 * ¶ Some possibly fortuitous circumstances helping the Democrats move from a Negrophobic to an integrationist stance are (a) the personal views of the First Lady: Woodrow Wilson's first wife (Ellen Axson Wilson, 1860-1914) was even more of a segregationist than President Wilson, while Eleanor Roosevelt was a militant advocate for equality, and (b) the fact that FDR was president when A. Philip Randolph, Bayard Rustin and the March on Washington Movement put immense nonviolent mass pressure on the government to establish a Fair Employment Practices Commission for wartime workers. Less fortuitous, but harder to document and specify, was a movement away (at a faster rate than the general public) from racist attitudes among many intellectuals, progressives, liberals, leftists and labor activists. As a more concrete, practical matter, the Great Migration of the 20th century moved millions of Southern blacks into Northern industrial cities, where (able to vote as they had not been able in the South) they formed an important constituency that Democratic urban machines could not afford to ignore. Nor, in the long run as opposed to immediate conflicts, could labor unions, who both had moved closer to the Democratic Party and needed to organize new domestic migrants for the same reasons that they had to organize foreign immigrants: to reduce non-union competition in the labor market and possible sources of strikebreakers.
 * ¶ There's ton more to be said (and learned), but I'll give some disorganized bibliographic references as best I can remember them and their authors:


 * 1) Farewell to the Bloody Shirt (how the 19th century Republicans moved away from civil rights);
 * 2) Reunion and Reaction by C. Vann Woodward, about the "corrupt bargain" of 1876;
 * 3) The Democratic South by Dewey Grantham, a short book about the evolution of Southern politics;
 * 4) The Strange Career of Jim Crow by C. Vann Woodward;
 * 5) Farewell to the Party of Lincoln, about black movement from the GOP to the Democrats;
 * 6) The Emerging Republican Majority by Kevin Philips (1969), often called the bible of the Southern Strategy
 * To see how the Democratic and Republican platforms evolved over the years, see The American Presidency project of the University of California, Santa Barbara at http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/index.php The platforms are searchable, so you can enter a search term like "Negro", "civil rights" or "lynching" to see how different platforms treated a subject in different years. Particularly interesting are the Democratic and Republican platforms of 1948, which were both strongly pro-civil-rights, and which can be compared with the even more fiercely pro-civil-rights plank of the Progressive Party and the staunch segregationism of the States' Rights Democratic Party, who walked out of the 1948 Democratic convention to run Strom Thurmond, then Democratic governor of South Carolina, for President.
 * ¶ Being no more eager than any other Wikipedian to hide my attempted erudition under a bushel, I suppose I should copy all this, with all its errors, deficiencies and imperfections, to some page that has an even wider readership (and less of a sense of humour) than this one. But I have no idea where this discussion came from, or where it should be anchored. —— Shakescene (talk) 11:53, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that! I find it very fascinating and will read more about it. C T J F 8 3  18:45, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Proposing Major Content Changes on a Page
Hi! You seem to know your way around questions like this, so I am coming to you for advice. I hope that is okay. Recently, someone changed the content of Autoblog. It is now a discussion of automated blogs, rather than an article on the more widely-recognized usage related to the automotive news website, Autoblog.com, which gets 2.4 million visitors each month. I have recreated the Autoblog.com article in a manner that clearly demonstrates notability. I've also initiated a discussion on the Autoblog talk page suggestion that we change content, while including a hatnote link to the newly-named "Autoblog (automated blog)" article. My question to you is, is there a tag I can place on the current Autoblog page, or talk page, suggesting this content change and pointing to the discussion I created? If so, what is it? Thanks in advance! Ebikeguy (talk) 16:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a "Split-apart" tag to the article in question. Was that the correct thing to do?  Thanks.  Ebikeguy (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You're getting into areas that I don't have a lot of experience with. If it were me, I would say go ahead, and see what the reaction is. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:CookieMonsterToys1.JPG
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:CookieMonsterToys1.JPG, has been listed at Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Magog the Ogre (talk) 02:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Curds, whey, and tiny white flowers
Sorry. Couldn't resist after reading your ANI post. Best, Kafka Liz (talk) 10:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Groovy. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:47, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

"One final question"
Bugs, please see here and here. Your observations added here would be welcome as well. Thanks. Centpacrr (talk) 06:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI see here. Centpacrr (talk) 22:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, looks like we have a trend here. To put it another way, "It's not just you." The admin is getting delete-happy in general. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:25, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * So it would seem. Funny thing I had never even heard of him before last week, let alone ever had any interactions with him. Odd. Centpacrr (talk) 00:43, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Re: Demi Moore

 * "Most" is unprovable

Huh? There are a finite number of biographical sources, most of which list her birth name as "Demetria". Although I can prove it to you, I don't have to because the secondary sources say this, not me. Where exactly is your confusion? Viriditas (talk) 09:57, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of the "most" sources simply copy from each other. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a reasonable assumption that you can apply to most articles. But not this one. In 30 years, there isn't a single retraction or correction on this.  Not one.  All we have are Wikipedia editors interpreting Twitter feeds.  That's not good enough. Viriditas (talk) 10:12, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * In the absence of concrete evidence, such as a birth certificate, Demi's statement trumps any so-called "reliable" sources. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:57, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit notice
Please get in the habit of reading the User_talk:Viriditas/Editnotice before posting a message. I don't have time to have a discussion across two different talk pages. Viriditas (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Re: Most
"Most references say Moore’s name at her birth in 1962 was Demetria Gene Guynes." Viriditas (talk) 11:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Editorial speculation. Unreliable as a source. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, an observation by a secondary source about the state of biographical literature is highly reliable, and that's precisely the kind of reference we look for when we write about such topics. Editorial speculation is when a Wikipedia editor reads a Twitter feed, which is a primary source, and interprets it to mean something without a secondary source supporting it. That's generally not acceptable. And for the record, I looked into the matter.  Most reliable biographical sources list her birth name as Demetria, although it isn't clear why, if she does dispute it, she has never disputed it within the last thirty years. Viriditas (talk) 12:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "[X] is the name I was born with" does not require interpretation. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Pssst...

 * Wanna see a bulldozer and railroader at work? Click → Talk:Airbus A380. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 14:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Claudia Black
I saw. Thank you for staying atop the situation. And may I say, quite genuinely, that it was good to work together to stop someone disrupting Wikipedia that way. Despite our differences, I know we're both editors of good will trying to make this wonderful free encyclopedia the best it can be. With regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 01:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * True that! And ditto the sentiments if I occasionally say something stupid. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That evidently disturbed individual placed a swastika on my page, too. I've reported him to Administrator intervention against vandalism. He's escalating. It's a pattern. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I like your dry humor--! --Tenebrae (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey, bud. Someone just made a post at Talk:Demi Moore about the name. Nothing groundbreaking or anything like that, but I just wanted to give a head's up since I commented (again, nothing groundbreaking) and, well, it's kind of like we're combat buddies, so... With respect and regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 23:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. I've kind of pulled back from that one. It was causing me more aggravation than was appropriate or necessary. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, at least maybe Demi is getting a good laugh about now. Heaven knows she could use one these days...! :)


 * Hey, thanks for watching my back on this unbalanced person. Much appreciated. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks again, B. I don't know why they won't block that 58.178 range. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Lordy. We should ask for a raise! :)  --Tenebrae (talk) 21:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

What's up, Bugs?
Hey c'mon bugs, usually I love reading your salty comments at AN/I and elsewhere but this one had a touch too much vinegar in for my taste. Where's fluffy, cuddly ol' Bugs disappeared to? <font face="century gothic" color="#0E6E2D">Kim Dent-Brown  <font face="century gothic" size="1" color="#0E6E2D">(Talk)  18:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thumper seems to have appointed himself as Bugs' foil some time ago, and is known to take potshots at him on AN/I for Bugs'... willingness to lend his opinion there. He's done it to me before, too, saying something to the effect of "AN/I already has one Bugs, and we don't need another." Too bad anyone can comment there whenever they want, and not just admins. Since Bugs won't listen to him, and Thumper knows this, it's probably for the best that he not stir the pot and jump in to "solve" situations that Bugs is already a part of. You know, to create less drama. There's lots of other admins perfectly capable of solving problems over there. Jus' sayin'.... Doc   talk  18:59, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Stalking my talk page is fine. There are very few rules here. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * He seems to have a chip on his shoulder about some of us for some reason. He's not the first admin to make gratuitous personal attacks, of course. Hence, as regards the Crackerjack box, he's not the first one I've hit with that theory. I just think it's a funny idea, that you would open your Crackerjack box, and instead of finding a little toy or a puzzle or a coupon good for a free visit to your orthodontist, you would get a card that says, "Congratulations! You have just won an adminship at Wikipedia! Use it in good health!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:24, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * A prize in a Crackerjack box! Wow maybe I should apply. I don't know about Thumper but I've seen RfA's where the applicant got really grilled and dragged over the coals. Not a fun process. Slight  Smile  22:57, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it's funny when a significant portion of the loudest opponents eventually get drummed out of wikipedia. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * See the far from gentle treatment doled out to the tender, fragile, easily-bruised ego of this talk page's subject at his own RfA. ;-) One consolation is the number of friends he had there. —— Shakescene (talk) 05:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hideous. So many admins act like angels until they pass their RfA; and then the glee sets in. If you "call it like you see it" beforehand - "Oh, he's a big meanie". Pfft. The meek shall inherit the earth - until the tools are given to them. Doc   talk  05:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * As Shakescene points out, posting an RfA is a good way to find out who your friends and enemies are, as well as actually garnering some occasionally thoughtful and constructive criticism. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:41, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

—— Shakescene (talk) 06:14, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome. To quote one of the Peanuts characters from a few decades back, "It's not often you see such carefully prepared sarcasm!" :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:41, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * As for User:Thumperward, whom I've encountered as an admin a couple of times, and then recruited to close the latest battle over Talk:The Bronx/Name, he can be a bit brusque in tone (as when he was impatient to delete a template of mine) but he seems basically OK. —— Shakescene (talk) 06:29, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahh, Thumper's not a bad dude. But he needs to lay off Bugs - it's not helpful when he preaches to him at AN/I. Doc   talk  06:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, we seem to have reached an equilibrium. He fires at me, I fire back at him, and then it's over for awhile. Kind of like with Pakistan and India. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Or... if I make an Elmer Fudd reference, I'm sure I'm in for it, right? It's no personal attack whatsoever, but it's such a beyooootiful relationship. I'm a goner, ain't I? Doc   talk  07:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Mmmm... could be! You'll be hearing from my lawyer, Hon. Charles H. Hungadunga, c/o Hungadunga, Hungadunga, Hungadunga and McCormick. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Should I send a copy to Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe? :) ... how ya doin Bugs? — Ched : <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? 10:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, just send a stamp, airmail. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:28, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * All that lawyering is giving me a haddock~! Hey, Ched~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 10:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll bite. What do you take for a haddock? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:28, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Usually a bit of tartar sauce and a squeeze of lemon, plus some chips/fries. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 10:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Be right back, there's a plate with my name on it~! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 13:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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 * Mmmm, battered fish. (Victims of oceantic violence.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:01, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well... I think a certain intrepid Belgian boy-reporter might have a word or two to say about battered Haddock! And I'd hardly be surprised if the Captain himself had rather more than a few choice words of his own, although unprintable in a family encyclopédie, even if uncensored. —— Shakescene (talk) 07:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of artists who have recorded "Jingle Bells"
How was this closed as keep no concensus? I have already taken it up with the admin, please see my talk page for their comments. Knowing you feel as strongly as me what's the next stage? Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:43, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Good question. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:13, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No good losing your head over it :-) --Richhoncho (talk) 20:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Bons mots that missed the deadline
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 * Whatever. I didn't post it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Mea culpa. I illustrated the post mentioned with a Wikimedia file in the previous thread (and thought I could get away with it). Silly me. Sing along with the Village People, " D – M – C – A ! ! " —— Shakescene (talk) 04:36, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

No hard feelings
Hi, Bugs. I just want to say you've been much more civil and friendly and reasonable with me overall than some other editors in this case, and I'm glad to have you involved at the ARB. Even though we disagree, you make your points honorably, calmly and maturely &mdash; and as I've always believed, to quote the saying, "your idea plus my idea equal our idea." Thank you for being kind and civil. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:05, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Will the wonders ever cease. Slight Smile  18:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I would just like to get a ruling of some kind on issues like this. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Deleting others' comments from talk pages
I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do this. Don't worry, I've restored the post you deleted. An explanation however is requested. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't often mess with others' posts, but I make an exception for things that appear to be BLP violations. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:39, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * But there was nothing in my post that constituted a BLP violation. Misinterpret the header if you must (but why? I thought your gig was all about the laughs), but for the rest...  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure that Bugs was fully right on this one. Let's not edit-war over BLP's now. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 13:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur. Definitely a BLP problem on that one. Bugs was correct.-- JOJ <sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton  13:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Doubling down, are we? Here is the text of the post that Bugs deleted: "It gets more delicious. One of the noble edit-warriors is now edit-warring over the thread header (see the history for this talk page). It goes without saying -- really it does, on this particular talk page -- that "fully stupid" refers to the edit war, not the person. I have nothing but respect for Ms Moore, whatever her real birth name might have been." Where is the BLP violation? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't forget...his revert also removed the BLP-infringing section header - that's the kay aspect ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 14:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me join the chorus of people who support the removal. I suggest you let it go. Bugs reverted to the last version before your BLP violation. If you edit war to make a BLP violation (which nobody but you has apparently interpreted as anything other than what you actually said) then don't complain forever if the reverter doesn't spend time sorting out your mess. Your later comments became irrelevant anyway when the heading had been removed. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I concur with the chorus as well, BLP is serious business.AerobicFox (talk) 18:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry X'mas~!
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Season's tidings!
FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:38, 25 December 2011 (UTC).

Open sleigh
Ohhhh jingles bell

Jingles bell

Jingles on the wayyyy

Oh how much that is that nice

To ride on a open horse sleighhh

Because you know I like that a lot

To ride on a sleigh that is open with a horse you knowww ... Slight Smile  03:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Reindeer
Rudholf the deer

Had this nose

And the nose was red and seemed to be shiiinyyy

And the other deers were always shitting on hi-iiim

And Santa Claus wanted him to be in the fro-ont

Of the other deers that were pulling the sleighhh

So that his no-ose would act as a headlight or somethinnng like thaaat

Because it was snowy and visibility was ba-aaad

And now the other deers act nice to hiiimmm ....

Seriously Bugs. My best wishes to you for Christmas. Slight Smile  17:21, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You had me humming those tunes all Christmas day. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry. And those two carols I don't even like at all but my goofy renditions seemed funny to me in my temporary moment of insanity. One song I like, I have no way of knowing the name and can't make out the words (or obviously I'd google the string) and the tune is actually tricky to recall. One day I'll get it. And now I rant - I think it's wrong to start burning Christmas out right after Halloween. I'm going to pass a law about starting it before December 1. Yeah that's what I'll do. Slight  Smile  02:16, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Or, at least, about starting it before "Black Friday". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I am a cranky bitch
I'd like to blank my musings on the wonder that is you on Truthkeeper88's talk if thats ok. Merry Christmas otherwise, and oops. Youll notice that I admitted, in a round about way, to half liking and respecting you there towards the end, in the small print. Etc. Ceoil (talk) 14:54, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

War Horse
Per WP:Spoiler I would have mentioned if the horse died. There's a big plot section there now but I haven't read it. Anyway, take your wife - she'll probably enjoy it and cry too. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:17, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thank you! :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Sauer?
Brat. --NellieBly (talk) 01:20, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Black Friday
I was going to say but then I had to re-boot first (long story) and you had archived - ''I don't know. That shopping frenzy doesn't really reflect that Christmasy feeling does it? Slight  Smile''  03:51, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but it's not a new phenomenon. Check out Franksgiving. The difference is that in those days, they waited until the day after Turkey Day to really gear up the blitz. Now it starts in September or even sooner. Ugh. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:21, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've thought of Christmas shopping in August but I've never seen decorations or carols before November. If you start seeing that maybe it's time consumers start making a statement with their wallets. Slight  Smile  20:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a dilemma, because the stores depend on holiday sales to turn a profit for the year. Check out what happened to Sears / KMart today for further info. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like more Dubya - buying toaster ovens is going to solve our problems. I'm big on the one percent thing. The people just don't have the money even if you start Christmas in the Summer. Slight  Smile  23:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The sad part is that the common folks are spending, and helping to feed the economy. It's the fat cats who are hiding their money under mattresses. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That's how those cats stay fat; they seldom spend and they certainly don't impulse spend. Bielle (talk) 00:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And better yet, they get us to bail them out. I'm reminded of the punch line of a particular comic strip (maybe Doonesbury, but I don't recall) in which a wealthy guy was asked about his success: "When I turned 21, my dad said, 'Son, here's a million dollars. Don't lose it.'" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's actually easy to do. There's stories of people who won ten million dollars, thought they could do anything they want and in a year they're flat. One guy in Manitoba hanged himself. A twenty one year old - good luck. Slight  Smile  00:55, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If I were stuck in Manitoba, I might be suicidal too. A similar joke is from Richard Armour's It All Started With Columbus: "When Richard Nixon turned 21, his father gave him a gold watch. When John F. Kennedy turned 21, his father gave him a million dollars, because he already had a watch." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Where'd I put that Suicide template - I'll have to get Oversight here immediatly! You got something against mosquitoes and thirty below? My father gave me a good alarm clock where you could set the rings to - well a really nice alarm clock and I broke it. Shit happens huh? Slight  Smile  01:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, the Manitoba comment relates to an Ole and Lena joke: the famous Norwegian couple buys a house near the border between Minnesota and Canada. They engage a surveyor to determine which side of the border the house is really on. Turns out it's in the US. Ole says, "Well, dat's a relief, yoo betcha - 'cause I hear dat it gets real cold in Canada!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I remember that story. Whew I heard it gets cold in Canada. Never knew who or where though so now I know. Let's see how far we can sqwish text up agaisnt the right. Slight  Smile  02:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Good. Let's take these safes off. I heard that one for another ethnic group. Slight  Smile  03:04, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Baseball Bugs is a Jew! Heil Hitler!
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What?
What? You're not a Jew? I'm sooooo disappointed. I thought Bugs, like Sammy Davis Jr., had converted.... but seriously, sorry you had an IP put Nazi flags on your talk page anyway... I like the stars & stripes much better. It was an idiot. Yworo (talk) 06:20, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a Jew as such. I was raised Christian, but I adhere to all the major religions. My favorite religious holiday is HanuRamaKwanzMas. The deal with the Nazi flag goes back a number of weeks, to some character that keeps fooling around with the article on the Rango film. That IP's other edits will illustrate what he's focused on. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not Thanksmasnewyearskwanzaakkah? - The Bushranger One ping only 08:28, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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