User talk:Baseball Bugs/Archive018

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JAN 2014 - DEC 2014

Do me a favor?
I have undone the edits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#The_unbearable_crassness_of_a_certain_type_of_response_by_RD_regulars after I hatted it. If someone re-opens it will you simply revert it rather than adding more comments? Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 20:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You can't do it. It regards both your and BB's "behaviour", you have a conflict of interest, both of you, and right now it looks like you're censoring Wikipedia to hide the behaviour which many editors have found distasteful.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Reference Desk and The Rambling Man
I've already advised TRM that he can open an RFC if he wants to address your behavior; the same applies to you. Please stop opening noticeboard threads, and please disengage on the RD talk page. I'm will say this to Medeis as well: It is utterly inappropriate to archive threads in which you are a participant (complainer or complainee). This dispute needs to stop disrupting project space now, so consider this your only warning. If you continue down this path, I will block you. -- Laser brain  (talk)  21:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

ANI notice - community sanctions on the three of you
This has gone on long enough. I am proposing a bunch of community sanctions on the lot of you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 04:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Principal Annie
Oh boy Bugs is in trouble again! A little Hasenpfeffer will be a nice change from kanga off the barbi what. Slight Smile  18:05, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Cute. I'm not in any trouble. Worry not. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

AE request
Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement NE Ent 22:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

IP 54
You should be aware the proxy editor is back, this time bringing up prejudicial information about you at the ANI discussion. I mentioned this to Drmies who was one of the admins who blocked 54 before, asking him to revert the edit given the malicious intention. You might want to notify Scs (Steve Summit) as well, given he commented on the user's vandalism at Ref Desk Talk in the DC Proxy discussion. μηδείς (talk) 03:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Email
I notice you don't have an email address assigned to your user account in your preferences, even a dummy gmail one associated with your account, which would be very useful if I had anything to communicate of a private nature again in the future, like the recent issue I told you it wasn't necessary to apologize over, or any other subject. Do let me know if you register for any such account in the future. μηδείς (talk) 05:40, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement request concerning you closed
Per [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=589551105#Baseball_Bugs this] arbitration enforcement request you are hereby warned to comply with your topic ban "from pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed". Any further violation will result in a block. This warning will be logged on the case page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:41, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Aurora
So, did you manage to see the recent sky fireworks? μηδείς (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No, too much light pollution. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:28, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I had seen the stars early on Weds night, but then it got cloudy. In either case, you should be sure not to confuse otters and weasels. μηδείς (talk) 05:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * True, I what'a know da diff'rence. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:21, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Community sanctions

 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive825

This is to inform you that this discussion has been closed, with the results listed there.

Please note the warning that further such activity as noted may lead to further sanction including being blocked. - jc37 19:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Please note that Option 1 is the only option that had consensus. There was no consensus to ban anyone from the ref desk. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:52, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * There is no basis for a block. Option 2 did not have consensus. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:53, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Blocked
You are welcome to ask for clarification. Unilaterally evading a topic ban (here) because you disagree with a close isn't acceptable, as I presume you know.

You have been blocked for 24 hours for topic ban evasion. I'll be dropping a note at WP:AN for WP:3PO on this block in a moment. - jc37 19:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * There was no consensus for Option 2. But feel free to let other admins review your unilateral decision. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Numerous people at WP:AN have called for an unblock, and I've unblocked you per my comments there. In short, the proposals that Jc37 closed as successful didn't prohibit you from editing the talk page.  Bear in mind that I've not reviewed anything of the discussion itself; my action assumes that the closure accurately reflected the consensus of the discussion.  Nyttend (talk) 22:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Interaction ban ???
Please note and advise: ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything there addressed to you. Perhaps you could unwatch his user page? Jonathunder (talk) 22:59, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not on my watch list. And you would need to review the recent history of that item to understand the context. But in light of my unblock and the fact that the case seems to be still open, I'm inclined to let it ride. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:07, 15 January 2014 (UTC)


 * 162 game ban, plus the playoffs. What a shame. Oh wait, that wasn't you.-- JOJ Hutton  23:21, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If A-Rod were a member of the Cubs, a ban from the playoffs would be kind of redundant. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:22, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Apology
Per my discussion with User:Nyttend, it would seem that there may have been a confusion concerning the usage of the phrase "topic ban" by the proposer which was obviously meant to mean "page ban from all pages, talk pages, and subpages" of the reference desk. Wiki-shorthand-speak may be obvious to many regulars, but may not necessarily be obvious to everyone. (User:The Rambling Man specifically asked for clarification on this, but considering the interaction ban, you also should not have been expected to see that on his talk page.)
 * User_talk:Nyttend

And so, you have my apology for blocking you for violating the page ban.

As someone else mentioned, going to the reference desk talk page after receiving a related ban was probably not a good idea, but in light of the apparent misunderstanding, I'll choose at this time to apologise and WP:AGF of your choice, rather than see it as an immediate "test" of the recently enacted ban.

I would unblock, but Nyttend has obviously done so already. - jc37 19:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your kind consideration. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:19, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Notice

 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive825

This in no way changes the previous notice (including the warning) I left on this talk page, but is merely a notice of a further clarification concerning the close.

In particular that Baseball Bugs, and μηδείς, and The Rambling Man are page banned (See WP:BAN) from the WP:Reference Desk and all it's talk pages, subpages, and any other directly related pages. (If in doubt, ask someone before editing.)

You also may appeal this page ban for yourself at any time, but please be aware that repetitive appeals may be seen as disruptive by the community. - jc37 20:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I am staying away from the ref desk until or if the ban is revoked. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:19, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014
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 * ::St. Petersburg Pelicans - SPBA (1989–1990)
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 * Fixed.) Thank you! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:41, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

54 trolling
Amazon-based trolling / harassment-only accounts (DC and state of Washington, primarily):
 * Dec 17, 2013
 * Dec 28-29, 2013
 * Dec 31, 2013
 * Jan 4, 2014
 * Jan 6, 2014
 * Jan 19, 2014

If I've overlooked any, feel free to add to the list. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, Bugs. Those don't all look that heinous to me, it varies. But some do. If I'd seen 54.224.35.46 's stuff in late December, I wouldn't have hesitated to block. Even more so with 54.224.206.154 on December 31 (and I'd have given Onorem a rocket too.) Too late now.The more recent stuff, like 54.196.70.85's contributions, tends to be more harmless, unless there's some damning context there that I'm missing.


 * No doubt it's likely that the harassment all comes from one individual, or maybe a bunch of chums. I'd certainly consider blocking the whole range, if it were possible, but it isn't; it's huge. Can't be done. Or not by me, maybe by someone able to subdivide it into several manageable little ranges. Please feel free to alert me if you see similarly offensive trolling anywhere. If it's fresh, I can at least whack a mole, not that that'll probably be much use. Bishonen &#124; talk 02:32, 20 January 2014 (UTC).


 * Thank you for looking into this. So far, about all I can do is try to raise awareness. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I like the picture and the caption. :) Toddst1 (talk) 05:04, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Just get that bird to eat them. That's all. Slight  Smile  15:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Them trolls are like certain religionists: Waiting for the Raptor. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:42, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

May I bring your attention to...
this? BMK: Grouchy Realist (talk) 22:15, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Holy moly, just what I need - another controversy. Well, if the guy is socking, then he's been put on notice by the ANI and SPI discussion. It's worth pointing out that turning around and calling someone else a sock, while not direct evidence of socking behavior, is not uncommon either. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:18, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Page ban vacated
Hey, Bugs, just letting you know that, after the AN discussion, and after reviewing the close myself, I've decided to vacate your page ban from the Reference Desk, given the lack of apparent consensus for them in the original discussion. Keep in mind that the interaction ban between you, Medeis, and TRM is still in force. Thanks, Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 09:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will do my best to keep to the straight-and-narrow on the ref desks in the future. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Flat Stone
I followed Twain and not Wiley. Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

How's the weather down there?
Low tonight is 8 my way. μηδείς (talk) 03:40, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Perfect. 70 degrees, year-round. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * In re ball lightning, you may also want to look at sprites. μηδείς (talk) 06:35, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm more of a 7up guy. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Interaction ban yet again
Hi. There has been some confusion about the precise terms of your interaction ban, so I'm pasting them here:


 * The Rambling Man is banned from any interactions with Medeis and Baseball Bugs, indefinitely. Baseball Bugs and Medeis are banned from any interactions with The Rambling Man, indefinitely. These bans include article, talk, wikipedia, and user space, without exception. No mention of the others or their actions shall be permitted. These may be appealed to the community not less than one year after they become effective.

It might be convenient for both you and other people if you were to move the green text to the top of the page and avoid archiving it. Of course that's just a suggestion. Regards, Bishonen &#124; talk 21:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC).

Hey there!
How are you? It's been a while. Please, reply at my talk page  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  21:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Donald Duck at the Ref Desk
That was an excellent response. Made me laugh. Bielle (talk) 20:49, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It seemed to fit the situation. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Just so. :) Bielle (talk) 23:31, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to have you topic banned from all Donald Duck related pages and discussions. Slight  Smile  00:56, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be a Daffy thing to do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Plus ca change
plus c'est la meme chose?

Dizzy Dean
Hi, BB. I wonder if you have any thoughts about Talk:Dizzy Dean. Cheers. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  02:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Second Coming and the Environment
By soon, I mean very soon. I am asking this because there are some Christians who claim and believe that Jesus will come back and the world will end very soon. They believe that there are signs of the Second Coming and many of these signs have already been fulfilled. For example, look at this article. Jesus talked about these signs in Bible (King James)/Matthew, Bible (King James)/Mark and Bible (King James)/Luke. Great Time (talk) 00:20, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * They said the same stuff in 1000 A.D. Big deal. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Didn't Jesus also say something about Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come? Or maybe Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh? Or wait, was it But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only? Hmmm, it was something like that, I think. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 01:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't confuse him with details. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Doctor Tarr is in charge of policies
IOW, Hail and Farewell per the emasculation of WP:BLP which has taken place at WP:AN/EW. Cheers -- and stay clear of them foul balls. Collect (talk) 02:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Ozymandias
 * --P.B. Shelley

I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed: And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.

...

'''The best lack all conviction, while the worst
 * Are full of passionate intensity  --Yeats

Possible grin
Hello Bugs. I hope you are well. I know that you have seen this Reference desk/Entertainment. I have to ask if it matters who is broadcasting those Olympics to NK. Won't they just be showing Kim Jung-in winning Gold, Silver and Bronze in every event. He is his fathers sun after all. I know we aren't supposed to make posts like this at that ref desk but I just had to share this thought with someone. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 04:58, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Question regarding: Can one call oneself "Right Reverend Father" whilst defrocked and excommunicated?
Hi BB. I certainly would not want to violate BLP or any other policy. The named person is irrelevant and uninteresting to me but only served to give context. Would it be ok for me to rephrase the question without referring to anyone at all? Or would it still violate something? DanielDemaret (talk) 18:38, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Technical questions about BLP
List_of_people_excommunicated_by_the_Roman_Catholic_Church contain a list of living people that have been excommunicated. Technically, if anyone were to add the person I mentioned in the removed question (I dare not mention his name here, in case it gets deleted) , would that also be a violation of BLP? Perhaps it was merely a question of the source being unreliable? DanielDemaret (talk) 18:47, 23 February 2014 (UTC) I am not saying that I might be interested in doing that. I am merely trying to understand BLP properly. DanielDemaret (talk) 18:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You're using a blog to level some pretty extreme complaints against a living person. Blogs are typically not valid sources on Wikipedia. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Very well, I shall just rephrase the question and omit the person. It was not my intention to complain against anyone. Neither for his views nor for the title. I do not care about that person or his views in the slightest. DanielDemaret (talk) 10:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * My best guess is that you may have been under the impression that I cared about that persons views on sexuality. If so, your inference was totally incorrect. You interpreted a lot more into my question than was actually there. I could just as well have been for that persons views. In this case, I was only interested in a title technicality. DanielDemaret (talk) 10:07, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether you're for, against or don't care about that person's views. You shouldn't generally link to controversially, particularly negative commentary, on a person's views on non reliable sources without good reason (a good reason would be something like you think those views can be reliably sourced and should be added to the article but haven't yet found a reliable source and are including the link to help people know what you're talking about). Particularly when those views are not even mentioned in our article (which means there's a possibilty they either can't be reliably sourced or are WP:undue). Nil Einne (talk) 12:07, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It would have been easier for him to just delete the link, which was not important to my question in the humanities helpdesk, instead of deleting the entire question. DanielDemaret (talk) 14:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't consider it appropriate to modify someone else's comments, unless they've posted personal info about themselves such as an email address. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The simple question in the humanities helpdesk did not require any source at all. DanielDemaret (talk) 15:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You're accusing someone of being a sex criminal. That definitely requires a valid source. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I was NOT accusing him about being any such thing. I was asking about a title, and that is all. YOU inferred an accusation by reading the a part of the article that I had not even reflected on. DanielDemaret (talk) 15:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Had you simply removed the link, I would have been grateful. Removing the question was rude. DanielDemaret (talk) 15:12, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * BLP trumps nearly everything, and removal is safer. Meanwhile, I don't see his name in that excommunicated-list. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I would have no problems with you removing the link or even reference to any person connected with that link. DanielDemaret (talk) 15:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I couldn't have known that ahead of time. If I modified someone else's entry, I would get yelled at on the talk page. And where is he in that excommunication list? I'm not seeing it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that you could not have known that a person would be grateful for you improving a text, or angry for vandalizing it? DanielDemaret (talk) 15:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Where is he on that excommunication list? If he's not there, where is the valid source that says he's been excommunicated? If there isn't one, your entire question has to go. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:37, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that you want to remove the question the way I rephrased it? DanielDemaret (talk) 15:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

As to your question on excommunication, that is something I read here in wikipedia while reading up on the person mentioned in the article. I do not recall his name, so I won't bother trying to find it. If you are so interested in whether that person was excommunicated, you could always check in the relevant article on the person, whatever his name was. DanielDemaret (talk) 17:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

A friend later pointed out to me that the allegation of the statement could be found in Wikiquote with references, and the allegation of excommunication in the article about the person in question. I decided to spread the joy to some other related articles despite the fact that the allegations themselves were not interesting to me. Star Lord -  星王 (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As long as your facts are well-sourced and not undue weight, you should be OK. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:54, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

REMINDER

Posting of editing restrictions, discussed with and approved by users Bishonen and NE Ent:


 * Item 1


 * Baseball Bugs is restricted from commenting on, about, or to ChildofMidnight anywhere on Wikipedia, apart from administrative processes (in certain situations such as SPI-related matters) and ArbCom proceedings (where both are named parties). [Aug 8, 2009 - amended Sep 28, 2010


 * Item 2


 * Baseball Bugs is topic-banned from all pages relating to any transgender topic or individual, broadly construed. He is also topic banned from all pages related to leaks of classified information, broadly construed. [Oct 16, 2013]


 * Item 3


 * Baseball Bugs [is] banned from any interactions with The Rambling Man. These bans include article, talk, wikipedia, and user space, without exception. No mention of the others or their actions shall be permitted. May be appealed to the community not less than one year after becomes effective. [Jan 17, 2014]


 * Dec 17, 2013
 * Dec 28-29, 2013
 * Dec 31, 2013
 * Jan 4, 2014
 * Jan 6, 2014
 * Jan 19, 2014
 * Jan 28, 2014
 * Jan 29, 2014
 * Feb 28, 2014
 * Mar 3, 2014
 * Mar 4, 2014

"If"

 * If you can keep your head when all about you
 * Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
 * If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
 * But make allowance for their doubting too:
 * If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
 * Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
 * Or being hated don't give way to hating,
 * And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;


 * If you can dream---and not make dreams your master;
 * If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,
 * If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
 * And treat those two impostors just the same:.
 * If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
 * Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
 * Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
 * And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;


 * If you can make one heap of all your winnings
 * And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
 * And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
 * And never breathe a word about your loss:
 * If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
 * To serve your turn long after they are gone,
 * And so hold on when there is nothing in you
 * Except the Will which says to them : "Hold on!"


 * If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
 * Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
 * If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
 * If all men count with you, but none too much:
 * If you can fill the unforgiving minute
 * With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
 * Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
 * And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!

--Rudyard Kipling

-- 03:46, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwest Airlines Flight 188
You are invited to join the discussion at Articles for deletion/Northwest Airlines Flight 188. I am seeking opinions to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Northwest Airlines Flight 188, thanks Ochiwar (talk) 08:50, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

not that it befronts you
but I have filed a report on the pistorious trhead at the blp noticeboard -- 06:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

My country t'is of thee
Rally now Bugs, must you? We know, of course, from the sysop sockpuppet's habits that he liked to solicit Brits and commonwealth subjects--whilst they, to their credit, ignored him to a one. His presence was like a Royal warrant of bad faith, a guarantee that honour and valour had been supplanted by a polecat named Statler with the heart of a hedgehog named Waldorf. But it was tonnes o' fun whilst it lasted, from the first ANI through the neutralisation of the last. And even if this had to end as it did, according to the strict logic of the relevant policies and regulations, it doesn't mean we jingo off Jeeves with the old red white and blue, does it? μηδείς (talk) 02:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

To a Friend whose Work has come to Nothing
W.B. Yeats -- Responsibilities and Other Poems

To a Friend whose Work has come to Nothing


 * NOW all the truth is out,
 * Be secret and take defeat
 * From any brazen throat,
 * For how can you compete,
 * Being honour bred, with one
 * Who, were it proved he lies,
 * Were neither shamed in his own
 * Nor in his neighbours’ eyes?
 * Bred to a harder thing
 * Than Triumph, turn away
 * And like a laughing string
 * Whereon mad fingers play
 * Amid a place of stone,
 * Be secret and exult,
 * Because of all things known
 * That is most difficult.

-- 22:51, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

To A Squirrel At Kyle-Na-No

 * Come play with me;
 * Why should you run
 * Through the shaking tree
 * As though I'd a gun
 * To strike you dead?
 * When all I would do
 * Is to scratch your head
 * And let you go.

---William Butler Yeats

-- 04:01, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh come on
I'm pretty sure you're not setting out to offend people, you seem a nice enough guy, so think again about this and revert yoursef please. --Dweller (talk) 13:28, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I got that idea from a female friend who's strongly religious. Did you likewise lecture the one who claimed God had "raped" Mary? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:44, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, but I should have. Maybe I will now. WP:OTHERSTUFF really is a bad argument everywhere, not just in deletion debates. Maybe the other guy I should have "lectured" (I've not checked) is a nasty piece of work who's looking to offend. I don't think you are, which is why I didn't think it was a waste of time visiting this page. --Dweller (talk) 13:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

By the way, if my black friend makes a comment that is offensive about black people, does that make it OK for me to repeat it? --Dweller (talk) 14:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see what's offensive about my comment. On the contrary, I think of it as a positive. It just stands to reason that God could give Mary a far better experience than any mere mortal. So you need to explain. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm giving up on this. Most reasonable people when told that they've been offensive will quickly seek to make things right, not throw justification, say "my friend said it so it must be OK" and demand explanation. I guess you're not reasonable. --Dweller (talk) 14:32, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I want an explanation of why you think it's offensive. Atheists won't care, as they see the story as fictional anyway. And broad-minded religious people (such as my female friend) see good sex as a positive. Those who hate sex (like the religionists who are narrow-minded) might be offended by the idea of sex with God being good for her too. So, am I to cater to that group? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It was an IP with a couple of dozen edits that first mentioned rape. --Dweller (talk) 14:32, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hence a warning is futile. And since that sparked the discussion, maybe you should hat the entire thing? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I did it myself. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Not quite sure what this is about, but Catholics have no problem with ecstasy. μηδείς (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

For Anne Gregory


 * "NEVER shall a young man,
 * Thrown into despair
 * By those great honey-coloured
 * Ramparts at your ear,
 * Love you for yourself alone
 * And not your yellow hair.'


 * "But I can get a hair-dye
 * And set such colour there,
 * Brown, or black, or carrot,
 * That young men in despair
 * May love me for myself alone
 * And not my yellow hair.'


 * "I heard an old religious man
 * But yesternight declare
 * That he had found a text to prove
 * That only God, my dear,
 * Could love you for yourself alone
 * And not your yellow hair."

'''--W. B. Yeats'''

-- 21:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I restored the comments which were removed by another IP and removed your hat. The fact that you disagree with the IP's view or that anyone finds it offensive doesn't automatically make it wrong. Nor is there any evidence the IP was joking or a troll. It would have been better for the IP to avoid the emotive term 'rape' and instead concentrate on the issue of consent but otherwise it was directly relevant to the question. While I personally think it's mostly a pointless discussion, I also think the question of whether Mary commited adultery with god is pointless. Yet these two are linked since under many belief systems, someone cannot be considered to have committed adultery if they didn't consent to the acts in question. As I remarked there, I do feel your comments and some of the others were going too far, but I dislike drawing a line so just left the whole discussion unhatted (except for part of my explaination). But feel free to hat other parts of the discussion besides 220's comment if you feel it's justified. Nil Einne (talk) 18:13, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Whatever. I'd just like to know why that IP thought it was a "joke". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:21, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

defamation per se
Advising that something is a fraud without a conviction or source would be considered defamtion, and probably shouldn't be done. μηδείς (talk) 22:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Interaction ban?
You are the one who posted this. Does that make you the "admin who imposed the ban", or would it be someone else? I'm asking because I'm curious what the proper mechanism is (if any) for reporting possible violations of interaction bans. I asked at AN, and they told me to ask the admin who imposed the ban. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:52, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * By my recollection, that rfc was re-closed by someone else. (Apparently, when they reverted the closure I had done, they neglected to place their own name on that page you linked to.)
 * Regardless, afaik, there is no restriction that places one admin solely as responsible for enforcing any user sanctions. And afaik, that's part of what WP:AN is used for. After all: "There is always another admin".  Feel free to link to this response on WP:AN at your discretion. - jc37 18:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * They basically sent me your way, so I'm just going to let it simmer on the back burner for a while longer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Baseball
As a fan of baseball, I thought you might be interested in this link that I ran across. Dismas |(talk) 14:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Of course, the nature of the game has changed. The current records for "saves" were never approached by the old-timers. And that's the other side of the same coin. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:48, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Richard III
Now is the winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by this sun of York; And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house In the deep bosom of the ocean buried. Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths; Our bruised arms hung up for monuments; Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings, Our dreadful marches to delightful measures. Grim-visaged war hath smooth'd his wrinkled front; And now, instead of mounting barded steeds To fright the souls of fearful adversaries, He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber To the lascivious pleasing of a lute. But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks, Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass; I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty To strut before a wanton ambling nymph; I, that am curtail'd of this fair proportion, Cheated of feature by dissembling nature, Deformed, unfinish'd, sent before my time Into this breathing world, scarce half made up, And that so lamely and unfashionable That dogs bark at me as I halt by them; Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace, Have no delight to pass away the time, Unless to spy my shadow in the sun And descant on mine own deformity: And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover, To entertain these fair well-spoken days, I am determined to prove a villain... -- -- 12 May 2014‎: 02:57, 03:08

Richard II
This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall, Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands, This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England, This nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings, Fear'd by their breed and famous by their birth, Renowned for their deeds as far from home, For Christian service and true chivalry, As is the sepulchre in stubborn Jewry, Of the world's ransom, blessed Mary's Son, This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land, Dear for her reputation through the world, Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it, Like to a tenement or pelting farm: England, bound in with the triumphant sea Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame, With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds: That England, that was wont to conquer others, Hath made a shameful conquest of itself. -- -- 16 May 2014‎: 03:47 + 03:49

Minnesota Twins number 10
Hello. Is there a possibility to send this file to Commons? This is the only one I can't use on polish wikipedia. I will be appreciated. Regards. Cynko (talk) 16:38, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's been so long that I've forgotten the process. I'll see what I can do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:35, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Sock puppet notice
You are suspected of sock puppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Sockpuppet investigations/Baseball Bugs. Thank you. - Favre1fan93 (talk – Comment on List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films' FLC) 05:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Very good. I would likewise be interested to know who's behind that impersonator calling himself - which, if you notice, was originally created as an attack account against me, a couple of years ago. Maybe its having revived that stale account will prove to be its undoing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:22, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Sigh, if Bugs were to sock (and I am not suggesting he would), he certainly is not dumb enough to maintain the same tone, and use the same expressions... --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Not sure what's going on here but whenever them holiday-trolls start socking again, it's when they usually hit out simultaneously at me, you and BilCat. FWIW, Favre1fan93 still too probie to know much around here so I'll just keep a snapshot of this notice to remind future probies of what they are gunning them up is totally for nothing. Peace, out. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 17:43, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Being Bugs' only sockpuppet, I really take offense (!) at this blow to my pseudo-ego. I have therefore created a thread at the ref desk talk page here to discuss my evil, in specific and in general, known and unknown, in regard to and in irregard to Bugs, and how since 2006 I have been ruining the internet as a whole, and wikipedia in particular. μηδείς (talk) 18:53, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hang on a sec... bugs wants me to tell you he loves this song! :P-- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 19:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * It's nice to hear from you all. I think the issue with Person of Interest is fading, and things can go back to being a well-oiled Machine. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:37, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Another troll sighting here. Kindergarten must be out again. - BilCat (talk) 01:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:NOTFISHING: ""Fishing" is to check an account where there is no credible evidence to suspect sockpuppetry. Checks are inappropriate unless there is evidence suggesting abusive sock-puppetry." With no evidence of abusive sockpuppetry by you, they most likely won't run a CU even if you beg them to do so. There's little point in proving a negative anyway. Cheers :) Doc   talk  03:26, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014
Please do not attack other editors, as you did on Talk:List of Person of Interest episodes. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. i normally abide by DTTR but personal attacks are inexcusable, especially from experienced editors.  Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 10:40, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Once the SPI is over and he apologizes for that, I'll return the favor. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not an excuse for making personal attacks. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 18:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Too late, I already apologized. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

AN/I
As I stated at AN/I, I'm sorry that my edits upset you so much that I got in trouble or AN3, AN/I, AIV and SPI. I hope we can put this behind us. I have to wait and see if AN/I will let me continue to edit, but I hope so. On the bright side, I see there was not enough evidence to convict you of sockpuppetry. They "Archived" the case without anyone getting blocked, so it looks like your clear to edit too. Again, my apologies to make you so mad. Desk Ref (talk) 21:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

BSG Apocalypse Theme
''Om Bhur Bhuva Svah. Tat Savitur Varenyam. Bhargo Devasya Dhimahi. Dhiyo Yonah. Prachodayat.V''

Watch the video, as usual it it the two girls who carry the day. μηδείς (talk) 06:08, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014
Hello, I'm Tutelary. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Tutelary (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Three little maids who, all unwary, Come from a ladies' seminary Free from its genius tutelary Three little maids from school Three little maaaaaaaids from school.

Joke might not be taken as intended
Hey Bugs, I removed a comment of yours from the science ref desk ; not implying anything about your intent, just the possible/probable result. Let me know if you have a question about it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's OK. When someone hasn't edited for years, I sometimes ask them what they've been doing in the interim. Given the question, maybe we're better off not knowing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:46, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

AN/I
You are the subject of an active discussion on WP:AN/I. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Every time I stand up to a nanny or a bully, they schlep my name to ANI. Unless such discussion involves taking disciplinary action against VW, then it's bogus. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

"The Decline of Wikipedia" - new on Oct 22, 2013. Unprotected talk page User talk:Baseball Bugs/Archive018

editing archives
Is not really a great idea -- IO reverted an editor who thought it was de rigeur to rewrite your archive . Collect (talk) 18:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I'll move it here and keep it visible. If you hadn't told me, I would have seen it for another week or two. Thanks for your help. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:39, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe I have a new word for some of the activities on Wikipedia -- "MileyCyrusizing" unless that imagery is too intense for ya. Collect (talk) 18:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a good one. And I have a strong stomach. Very little imagery is too intense for me. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:34, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I actually came here to politely ask you to change your behaviour on the Refdesk as well. You seem to have developed a baseless vendetta against Viennese Waltz. I would ask you if you could tone down the hostility, and maybe actually start posting referenced answers, rather that baseless nonsense and unfunny jokes. Lets all try to make the Refdesk a better place together! :) Thank you! Fgf10 (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help find a resolution. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! The thread is Dispute_resolution_noticeboard.

DRN
I have left a post at the DRN talk page that you wish this case to move forward. I will leave this to other volunteers to decide.--Mark Miller (talk) 01:04, 29 May 2014 (UTC)




 * "'Tis the Star-Spangled Banner - O! long may it wave!"

ANI
While reading the ANI thread I can't help but wonder why the issue couldn't have been resolved with a simple acknowledgment that it's offensive to refer to people as 'retarded'. Why would it offend you and the others to simply acknowledge that? It seems as if the situation got heated for no reason at all, besides being stubborn. I was admonished some time in 2000 for using the word to describe people by someone whose family member is disabled, and have tried not to use it since. She stated it hurt her and her family members to be addressed by that word. So if we knowingly address people in that manner with the full knowledge of it being offensive, is that not trying to harm people on purpose? Do you want people with family members who are disabled to see you arguing and defending the use of that term? I don't really know you, but I've seen you around and didn't get the impression you were unfeeling or callous to people less fortunate than yourself. It's much easier to admit pushing things too far than to defend something that hurts other people. I posted this here to avoid most of the ANI drama, though I suspect you have Talk page watchers. In any case, you can delete this at any time. Thanks. Dave Dial (talk) 03:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not a term that I'm in the habit of using, at least not in public. My complaint was that VW attacked StuRat, who seemed to be using the term innocently and was providing an answer, while VW (as usual) did not try to answer the OP's question, but merely attacked the user. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:28, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It is extremely politically incorrect (and very insensitive) to to refer to another editor as "retarded". Don't do it again. Duh! It's wabbit season, and you need to hide out from the hunt. Doc   talk  03:42, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't do it. StuRat used that term, and then VW attacked him, and I challenged VW for his usual practice of attacking and not helping the OP. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:56, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * So simply say something like, "I totally understand the problem with any editor using that derogatory term, and I will never use it again if I ever did." Even if you didn't say it in that instance! Politics. Doc   talk  04:03, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No one's accusing me of using that term, either. That's not what the ANI complaint was about. I should point out that I cited that term in reference to a dictionary definition, but I didn't direct it at anybody. That was the complaint about StuRat's usage. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:06, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You've got crosshairs on your back. Appease your detractors. It's not very hard. Doc   talk  05:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If I get crosshairs for standing up for myself here, maybe it's time to say adios. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:26, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud leach out.
Now, Hamlet, hear. 'Tis given out that, sleeping in my orchard, A serpent stung me. So the whole ear of Denmark Is by a forgèd process of my death Rankly abused. But know, thou noble youth, The serpent that did sting thy father’s life Now wears his crown. -- 21:08-21:09, 2 June 2014‎ (UTC)

Refdesk troll
...is apparently now using proxy IPs to circumvent the filter. Feel free to just revert these instead of responding. Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 21:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would, except it would result in a firestorm from editors who insist on extending good faith to block-evading banned users. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:42, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

DRN Amanda Todd back up
The DRN is back up, go and check it out. Awaiting your response. WP:DRN Tutelary (talk) 01:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Venezuela
No need to give the troll credit on-wiki. When he shows up just quietly e-mail me and I'll block the whole IP range.  Spinning Spark  17:08, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Rogereeny. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:59, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Bugs, I meant private e-mail, not visibly on-wiki.  Spinning Spark  22:27, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Given the ranges potentially involved, it's probably hopeless anyway. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to disturb you
Hello, sorry to disturb you, but I saw you were active on the ref desk and this is really bugging me: I could do with someone to confirm that it's not just my phone which is showing this.

I thought the weirdness would also interest you.

This image here either embedded on a page, or on the image page, or by clicking on the thumbnail in the timeline, I get a grainy black and white portrait photo of someone staring at the camera. But according to the thumbnail and the description, it's an etching of an execution. There doesn't look like there are any edits or changes in the history.

It's really creeping me out: please tell me it happens to you too.

86.128.227.246 (talk) 17:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Just now noticed your comment. I'm not seeing what you're seeing, so I don't know what to tell you. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:33, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that you conversed with the help desk, and they pointed you to File:Rizana Nafeek (1988-2013).jpg. Very grainy picture. I gather someone vandalized something and that it was then repaired. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you go a step further...
And delete all areas on Wikipedia relating to child-adult contact. Ancient Greece, psychology sections etc. Just take your sledge hammer to all of it since you are the omnipotent one, and you know best? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.96.72 (talk) 18:39, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Good deal. I'll get on it right away. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:43, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

"God bless America". Sigh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.96.72 (talk) 18:49, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Re:ANI question
Hey Bugs, just as a follow up to this question, there are no Malware in the program. As I answered about the registry cleaner, some people don't understand how much damage "cleaning" your registry can do. Not that I've never done it, but I tend to manually remove items these days because I don't trust any "cleaners". In any case, it's the 3rd party software that most complaints are coming from. And although those are not Malware either, some of the programs do trigger Avast and some other anti-virus software, but as Adware or potentially unwanted programs. These are installed if you aren't reading the installation and just click "Next, Next, Next\ etc.. You have the "Decline" option, but they don't make it very clear. It's disappointing that CNet now allows this, but it's all about $$$. And they can just say there are options to decline. Which there are. You can delete this whenever, I just didn't want to clutter ANI up with the expansion of this gibberish. heh Dave Dial (talk) 00:36, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Babe Ruth
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Babe Ruth (1895–1948) was an American baseball outfielder and pitcher who played 22 seasons in Major League Baseball (MLB) from 1914 to 1935. Born in Baltimore, Ruth was sent at age seven to St. Mary's, a reformatory where he learned baseball skills. In 1914, Ruth was signed to play minor-league baseball for the Baltimore Orioles. He began his MLB career as a stellar left-handed pitcher for the Boston Red Sox, but achieved his greatest fame as a slugging outfielder for the New York Yankees. Ruth established many MLB batting (and some pitching) records, including 714 career home runs. In his fifteen years with the Yankees, Ruth helped them win seven American League pennants and four World Series championships. His big swing led to escalating home run totals that boosted baseball's popularity and made home runs a major factor in the sport. Ruth's unprecedented power and carousing lifestyle made him a larger-than-life figure in the "Roaring Twenties". One of the first five inductees into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, Ruth is regarded as one of the greatest sports heroes in American culture, and is considered by many to be the greatest baseball player of all time.

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hi
I saw your comment about the kidnapping and indoctrination of boys in Syria. I agree, that would be a good example of violence against men, if we have an article on it it could be added. There have been other atrocities in Syria as well - for example there has been a great deal of sexual violence perpetrated against both civilian men and women. See "HRW quoted a man who said he had been held in the Political Security branch in Latakia in a cell with over 70 other people. He said young boys were treated worse than adults, brought back to the cell raped and with their fingernails pulled out. "One boy came into the cell bleeding from behind. He couldn't walk. It was something they just did to the boys. We would cry for them," the man said." You said that this category is novelty item, so I'm interested in hearing more about your perspective (without further spamming the CFD page, they've probably heard enough from me). What, in your mind, would make this category workable, and which current contents of the category do you think do not belong. Thanks for your feedback and cheers.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:01, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Something like "Violence against the vulnerable and/or defenseless". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:24, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * hmm.. but the sources call it "violence against men" - see a bunch here for example. If we assume the name stays the same to match how this is discussed in the literature, which things should be removed that are there now, and which ones should be added in your opinion? Thanks.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:31, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you intend to include characters like John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer? What about whoever killed Ron Goldman? And what about the type violence for which Sandusky was convicted? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, potentially - I'm not sure how it was done usually for VAW, if we categorize serial killers who targeted women. What do you think? But yes, Penn_State_child_sex_abuse_scandal could potentially be placed in for example.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:47, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Were the victims of Gacy, Dahmer, et al attacked just because they were male? Or mostly because they were vulnerable and defenseless? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's where it's hard to say. Were the victims of jack the ripper killed because they were female, or because they were vulnerable prostitutes? Gender intersects with many other features in such instances of violence, for example with ethnicity .e.g. Srebrenica massacre. However, when the violence is sexual in nature, it is usually considered to be gender-based violence as well.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * So what the category should really be is, "Violence against men because they are men". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * that's what gender-based violence means. I think the scope should be sexual and gender-based violence against men and boys, that's how the literature talks about it. Does any of this change your mind re: the category? Cheers --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The term "Violence against men" does not inherently mean "gender-based violence". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:14, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, that is how it is used in the literature, to mean exactly that.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:18, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds like the Humpty-Dumpty axiom. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:25, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what that means or how it applies here. Should we rename the category to be ? That is the stated scope. It is not intended to capture instances where men were victims of violence for some other reason.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The Humpty-Dumpty axiom is "when I use a word it means exactly what I mean it to mean, nothing more, nothing less." Or something like that. "Violence against men" means "harm perpetrated against other males." That includes every single killing of any male throughout history. The fact that some cult wants to define it as something else is their problem. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * How do you figure 2014 Isla Vista killings to be an example of "gender based violence against men"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:27, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't want to repeat all of the arugments made on this point, and as far as I can tell a majority of editors participating in that discussion actually agree with me on that. You can see the discussion points Talk:2014_Isla_Vista_killings as well as the sources I found and provided.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:18, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That was an act against both men and women by a guy who was extremely narcissistic and basically hated everyone. It's no more "Violence against men" than is any other typical mass murder. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:25, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I disagree, because he explicitly expressed his hatred of a particular set of men because of their gender roles, in other words, because of their ability to access sex from the women he desired, he hated them.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * He was jealous of them. So what? The murderers at Columbine were jealous too. Unless you want to include every one of these mass-murderers, on the grounds that they felt more like men by committing these killings. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree with Bugs on this. Men are by far the most common victims of and perpetrators of violence. We could list every battle of every war in history as "violence against men", but it would be pointless. There's a huge difference between the idea of men being the victims of violence, and men being the victims of gender-based hate crimes or systematic violent oppression. The former isn't a notable concept (we don't have "violence against horses" for example, although there are sources), and the later is debatable as to whether or not it even exists, much less as a coherent topic of analysis. The category is pointless, IMO, and should probably be deleted. Kaldari (talk) 17:46, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Kaldari. the later is debatable as to whether or not it even exists, much less as a coherent topic of analysis While you're welcome to your opinion, you're not welcome to your own facts. See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_June_24 for a short list of sources that explicitly gender-based violence against men and boys. That doesn't even touch the literature on domestic violence against men, nor on male rape in non-conflict situations for example. No one is proposing putting wars or battles in any of these categories, nor gangland murders or prisoner-on-prisoner violence, etc. However, several of the sources linked above explicitly discuss the idea that sexual and gender-based violence against men IS happening, IS under-covered in the literature, and IS a topic worthy of study. If you can find sources that state otherwise, please provide them. I think people think that the existence of a VAM category somehow threatens or lessens the importance of the VAW category, but nothing could be father from the truth, in the same way that a category does not diminish, etc.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * While there are plenty of sources that discuss things like male rape and domestic violence against men, I'm still unconvinced that there is a coherent encyclopedic topic of "Violence against men" (other than as a fringe topic/theory of the MRM). "No one is proposing putting wars or battles in any of these categories". The category already includes dozens of military massacres, which were typically not gender-based violence, but military and/or ethnic violence against potential combatants. If those are allowed in the category, why not list battles and wars as well? What's the difference? Most wars explicitly conscripted men and not women after all. Kaldari (talk) 18:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're not engaging with the sources Kaldari. Take a look at the link I provided, those are all about sexual and gender-based violence against men in conflict situations. That is what the literature CALLS this. Some of those same sources make a link between sexual violence in conflict and sexual violence in times of peace - e.g. male rape/etc. That you want to call it something else is nice, but the sources are there. I know you've mitigated against having an article like Violence against men, but this is not an article, this is a category that groups like topics. You say these massacres were not gender-based violence, but that is what the sources call it. I've given links to the book by Carpenter, which is a whole book on specifically the issue of massacre of male civilians, and of course Jones has written a fair amount on gendercide (of both men and women). We don't list battles and wars because scholars in this area do not consider a battle an instance of gendered violence, they focus on sex-selective massacres of civilians, which all of the instances in that category are. I wish you'd strike that part of the comment at CFD that says editors want to place battles within, no editor I know of has attempted that, and if you read the inclusion criteria on the category it explicitly states that battles involving killing of soldiers are out of scope, thus your comment is a bit of a red-herring.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, maybe I need to look at the sources a bit more closely. Regardless, I think it's pretty ridiculous to draw this artificial distinction between massacres of men as soldiers and massacres of men as enemy civilians. In both cases, gender is a secondary consideration (after nationality, ethnicity, religion, age, etc.). If you want to call that original research, fine, but the opposite is also original research and I think we would need to limit the category to massacres that have been explicitly identified as gender-based violence against men. Kaldari (talk) 20:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Removed my comment about editors wanting to place battles in the category, as I was specifically referring to the massacres, but didn't make any distinction in the comment. Kaldari (talk) 20:22, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you have sources that indicate gender is a secondary consideration, please provide them, it certainly sounds a lot like original research. Gender is ONE of the considerations - do you think the Japanese soldiers who raped thousands of Chinese women at Nanking went back and raped thousands of Japanese women? No. But would we still call the mass rape of thousands of women "gender-based violence"? absolutely. For the same reason, we would call the rape of male civilians or their sex-selective murder an instance of gender-based violence, and that's exactly what sources actually call these things. It may be an intersection of gender + age + vulnerability + ethnicity/nationality, but esp in times of war, as Jones notes, "If gendercide and mass killings of males is to some degree definitional of modern conflict, we may also be able to isolate an essential if not universal ritual of gendercide against men. It is the physical act of separating men from women as a prelude to consigning men to death." In a recent massacre in Kenya, *male* infants were plucked from their mother's arms and shot. But hey, maybe that's just a military action, why would we make a distinction between that and combat? Ah... yes... because sources do.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:29, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

haha
Thanks for the !vote. Wait. Um. Yeah... Oh and I meant to say, you're a lot smarter than you look. :) cheers --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I actually only have one fault: Too much humility. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:57, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Twain wrote that he was born humble. Fortunately it wore off.  Collect (talk) 22:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

84.209.89.214
Bugs, hi. I've had my suspicions about this IP address (it smells like LightCurrent), and its talk page seems to indicate that I'm not alone. However, I'm not particularly bothered about the joke being deleted - some might argue (although I doubt that either of us would agree with them) that jokes aren't appropriate for the reference desk. I don't think that any further action is necessary, unless someone wants to initiate the formal SPI process - I don't know enough to do that myself, I'm afraid. Thanks for flagging this up, though. Tevildo (talk) 09:29, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Just now saw this, two days after you posted it. I am nothing if not prompt. :( Looking at, I'm inclined to wait-and-see. It's also worth pointing out that checkusers won't look at IP's. So I advise doing nothing at the moment except to stay alert. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:29, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for inspiring me to make a report regarding the conduct of Carriearchdale toward me on WikiCommons; I just did, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont)  04:03, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

JPL & LDS
Bugs, from past experience, I'm confident you meant well, but your commentary at AN/I went to far and is not being well received. My advice is to offer a sincere apology for offending and promise to not repeat. The alternative is at best a bunch of wasted time and energy and at worst some form of sanctions (not from me, I'm nobody and have no authority). Free advice is worth what you pay for it, but consider doing something simple, quick and nice. Thanks for considering my comments, JoeSperrazza (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not yet convinced that the editor's hands are clean. I'll check back later and see if he's seen the error of his was. But the only ones who should be apologized to are the "group of 88" whom the editor tried to malign. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

July 2014
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 days for repeated personal attacks. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The editor wanted me to apologize for labeling his actions racist, and I have done so. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:07, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Bugs, you were blocked 48 hours for personal attacks. I strongly suggest that you stop digging.  G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 20:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * When you make your unblock request, just say you weren't familiar with all these arcane rules and regulations and that you no speak English good. Also, Bugs, it helps if you beg and plead. It shows sincerity and desire to adapt in this dynamic, progressive environment. It can't hurt to try anyways, right? I hope this helps. Slight  Smile  19:56, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't do unblock requests. But thanks for your note.

Thanks again
Hi Bugs. Just want to thank you (and not for the first time) as I've just found this ANI case. As you have rightly deduced, it is yet another line in this long-running, tedious, pathetic saga. Sigh! Anyway, all the best. Jack | talk page 12:27, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Non-denial denial
That is the perfect description of Roman888's approach to avoiding scrutiny while trying to avoid explaining away the quacking ducks. Thanks for a good laugh! --Drmargi (talk) 18:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Personal attack
But you called him a Hamas lapdog creep? Slight Smile  21:08, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Did I? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah Here. Slight  Smile  21:15, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That was a satirical response to this personal attack: "So you think it's ok for this creep to remove other users post and replies??" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:20, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh I see it now. Me no English speak good. Slight  Smile  21:24, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I doubt they'll block him, but it's worth a try. He's been throwing these kinds of attacks around for a while now. I'm amazed he's gotten away with his Israel-hating POV-pushing for seven years. But he might have finally painted himself into a corner. We'll see. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:27, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just saw what you did there. Channeling Yoda. Or maybe Jar-Jar Binks. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:30, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Spooky. One of them quantum entanglement things I think. Slight  Smile  21:43, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Politics on the refdesk (again)
Can you please stop making ridiculously biased statements on the Palestinian on the refdesk? It's not soapbox! Please realise that Hamas is not all of Palestine, and stop ignoring the continued suffering and oppression of the common Palestinian under the yoke of Israel. Fgf10 (talk) 21:23, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Then you should zap the entire question, which is a pro-Hamas, anti-Israel question. Why are OP's allowed to pose baiting questions and we're not allowed to challenge those questions? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:24, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Explain to me how that was pro-anything? It was a factual question without any POV. Fgf10 (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ha! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:29, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Seriously, explain to me! I don't get it. Are you somehow denying the Palestinian eviction took place? I'd like to understand! Spell out for me how there was POV. Fgf10 (talk) 21:30, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a one-sided question that fails to address more serious issues, i.e. the disaster wrought upon the Palestinians by Hamas. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * How is Hamas relevant for an event that took place 40 years before they were formed? Fgf10 (talk) 21:33, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Just forget it. I don't need any more trouble. I boxed it up. Delete it if you want. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, no answer to that then. Colour me surprised... ;) Sad how far the Zionist propaganda has penetrated really. Fgf10 (talk) 21:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Chill. There are plenty of things Israel has done that I don't like. But the Palestinian side lost the moral high ground a long time ago as they've allowed terrorists to rule them. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:38, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Objectivity of Christians and Muslims
AT ANI, you wrote:


 * "As with the debate a few days ago, he's claiming that a Christian or a Muslim cannot objectively write about the historicity of Jesus. He's got no evidence to support that claim, it's strictly his personal opinion."

Actually, there's quite a lot of evidence. Start with:


 * Hall, J. (2007). History, methodologies, and the study of religion. In J. Beckford, & N. Demerath (Eds.), The SAGE handbook of the sociology of religion. (pp. 167-189). London: SAGE Publications Ltd. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.4135/9781848607965.n9
 * N. T. Wright, Jesus and the Victory of God
 * “The Historicity of the Synoptic Gospels,” in Crisis in Christology: Essays in Quest of Resolution, ed. William D. Farmer [Livonia, Mich.: Dove Booksellers, 1995], 216

And on and on and on. But lack of objectivity does not disqualify someone as a reliable source. Fearofreprisal (talk) 01:10, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Anyone who claims that being religious makes someone automatically biased, is automatically wrong. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

J**s
You're probably right about the blocking, though that should be wrong.

Thanks for the moral support (the unintentional kind, in your prohibitional surprise message). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:47, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * You lost me at the bakery. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It should be wrong to block people for using racial slurs here? Really, honky?  Ian.thomson (talk) 02:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * "Honky" is not much of a racial slur. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Not if we're using them as slurs. Depends on context. If there was something else that smelled a bit racist about the way the OP phrased it, I could see the point.


 * You sort of lost me on what "losing someone at the bakery" means, Bugs, but if you mean "lost" like confused, I was refering to what you said before the off-topic thing there was hatted. Also the thing that pops up over the edit window when someone edits your page. I did feel special! Sort of. If you mean I lost you as far as the reclamation thing goes, that's OK. I wasn't trying to push it on you. Just a general suggestion for the whole Internet. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:22, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

female tennis players
Please check this out. I think you will appreciate this. Bus stop (talk) 21:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

RFC at MOS:BIO

 * I have opened an RFC on the question of appointment of Catholic bishops and the larger matter of inclusion of future jobs in infobox, list, etc. at MOS:BIO. Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies Thank you! Elizium23 (talk) 18:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

ae
Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement NE Ent 23:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What a hypocrite you are. Don't ever post on this page again. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Apology
The BB, see, would like to apologize to everyone that I've ever told, "Try not to make Wikipedia look stupid." After hearing the monkey "selfie" story on NPR today, I have concluded that there is nothing any lone editor can do that is anywhere near as stupid as the stance the WMF has taken on it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Appeal
Bugs, (in case you didn't see my suggestion elsewhere), your appeal needs to go to WP:ARCA because no one else has the authority to modify that. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 08:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement warning: Conduct in AE discussions
Hi. You have been previously advised that you may only comment in your own section in AE discussions. I have reverted your most recent edit to another section. If you continue to edit outside of your own section, you may be blocked, see WP:AC/DS.  Sandstein  17:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeh, that way you can ignore it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014
To enforce an arbitration decision, and for violating your transgender issues topic ban, you have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks and then appeal your block using the instructions there.  Sandstein  22:06, 2 September 2014 (UTC)  Reminder to administrators: In March 2010, ArbCom adopted a procedure instructing administrators as follows: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped." Administrators who reverse this block without the clear authorisation described in that procedure will be summarily desysopped.

And so the lie from a year ago continues to be enforced. See you in two weeks, or with any luck, never again. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:24, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Your reply on my page
It would be better if you reply here (seeing that you are currently blocked). For what it's worth - you would be better off arguing that point to ARCA, because only ArbCom can repeal that TBAN. Should you desire to file an appeal to ARCA and require assistance, please let me know. - Penwhale &#124; dance in the air and follow his steps 23:11, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Has it been a year already! Where does the time go. Slight  Smile  23:18, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Being officially branded a bigot was exponentially more hurtful than anything the most vexing troll has ever said to or about me, or ever could imagine saying. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:15, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * They labeled me a bigot and nothing I could say would change their stance. If they didn't get it then, they're certainly not going to get it now. See you in two weeks, at the earliest. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

This user is currently on the 15-day Disenabled List. Expected to be radioactivated on the 17th.

RADAR!!!

 * I know, I know... out of the thin air I appear... am here to cheer you up~! Now watching M*A*S*H* all over again on Hits TV channel, I still remember and really like the last 5 minutes of season 1 episode 6 where Hawkeye Pierce portrays as a Groucho Marx-esque doctor and Trapper John McIntyre as a Harpo Marx-esque surgeon annoyed the very hell out of the Brigadier General with their own version of a war documentary meant for the folks back home. Doesn't get any better than that, eh? Take care and cheers~! -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 15:49, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Greetings, wandering soul. :) M*A*S*H is a classic, an all-time great series. Just to let you know, my forced vacation here has given me time to read some stories in greater depth. Some of the cryptic comments at ANI got me curious, so I started reading Wikipediocracy - which I wouldn't have done if I weren't blocked. And what I saw there is absolutely appalling. If even a fraction of what they're claiming is true, then Wikipedia is hopelessly corrupt. Considering what admins and other editors have been able to get away with here without being accountable in any way, the various offenses for which I've been blocked seem extraordinarily trivial. I used to spend a fair amount of my effort here defending Wikipedia. What a massive waste of my time and energy that turns out to have been. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Maroon (disambiguation)
I'd have wondered if this were you, had it been better formatted. -- ToE 00:08, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 'Tweren't me. It's unfortunate that it was squashed, but that's show biz. I think Bugsy used "maroon" to mean "moron", just as he said "ignoranimous" instead of "ignoramus". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * You're welcome. And the advice to be careful to not leave bits of the previous article is based on red-faced experience. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't mean to be a pain, but the album '10 Speed' (although recorded in 1998) was unreleased because A&M's parent company Polygram dropped practically all its new artists at that time. I'm not sure how to deal with that??? Should I still submit the article as it is with a release date of 1998, or should I not put a release date, or something else??? Also, I was going to include the album cover png file, but I don't know how to include the picture. I have not been able to find a picture for just the song. Should I just leave the picture out?

If I can get through this fisrt article submission, I should be on my way to making more article submissions without any help (I promise).

Thanks again & sincerely, Hdpeng. P.S. Have more cookies! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hdpeng (talk • contribs) 04:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If the album was never released, you might have trouble passing the "notability" test. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Replying here to avoid appearance of debating politics on RefDesk. Reply
Re : Scottish Referendum

Bugs, You think a strong belief in Democracy automatically implies that the Welsh should get to vote on who rules Scotland? I would have thought the opposite. Not that it's any of either of ours' business what they do in UK, of course, but I'm honestly surprised to see you agreeing with SteveBaker on this one. APL (talk) 01:47, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Ark's hives

 * Perhaps there needs to be something added to WP:OWB about how when someone feels the need to state they're a 'skillful user', the odds are they really aren't. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:51, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be a cousin of the types of users who include words like "truth" or "justice" in their ID's. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:44, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Combining truth or justice, with a strident nationality and a noble occupation, is the best combination. So I am awaiting the creation of User:AmericanMotherof3ForTruth (I have watchlisted it of course) or an equivalent version from Russia. We've already had 2 out of the 3 in one username, so it's not impossible. No offence intended to the most recent "Mother of (firstname)" account, who actually seems entirely sensible in their editing as far as I can tell. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014
Please do not attack other editors, as you did on Talk:List of Person of Interest episodes. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. This is in response to your general language usage and attitude within the discussion. Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Shut up. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:49, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Notice
Greetings. I have been nominated for a 1-year block topic ban due to my nomination of American-led intervention in Iraq for deletion, creating a disambiguation page, "getting" a page locked from IP editing, "opinionating on stuff" (in ref to ANI discussion of HiLo8), and 13 other reasons. You may have participated in a discussion in something related to that. As a courtesy, I am letting persons who participated in a discussion relating to one of those topics know in case they would like to support, oppose, or express indifference to the proposed block. You can register your opinion here: ANI Incidents (This is a blanket, non-canvassing note.) DocumentError (talk) 02:18, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

The Federalist AFD.
On a side note, the admin who closed the AfD cited a reason not found in the actual discussion. I considered submitting this for deletion review but decided to wait and revisit the issue later. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Illiad/Odyssey
I get to teach one, Bugs. Can't do two. I was hoping for some quick, thoughtful suggestions--anyone who knows, knows what to say; it's not like it's a new debate, about which one's the best. I didn't expect someone to charge me with admin abuse, haha. Drmies (talk) 03:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finally explaining it. Maybe have half the class read one and half the class read the other. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Bugs, you're being facetious. It is not one question. It is legion. Drmies (talk) 22:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Greek Foreign Legion? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:55, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * That'd be The Ten Thousand, "one of the great adventures in human history". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. :) That 2-week timeout did change my perspective a bit. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:56, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

It's only October, but
"The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald"


 * The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
 * Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
 * The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
 * When the skies of November turn gloomy
 * With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more
 * Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
 * That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
 * When the gales of November came early


 * The ship was the pride of the American side
 * Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin
 * As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most
 * With a crew and good captain well seasoned
 * Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
 * When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
 * Then later that night when the ship's bell rang
 * Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?


 * The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
 * When the wave broke over the railing
 * And every man knew, as the captain did too
 * 'Twas the witch of November come stealin'
 * The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
 * When the gales of November came slashin'
 * When afternoon came it was freezing rain
 * In the face of a hurricane west wind


 * When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck
 * Sayin' "Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
 * At seven PM a main hatchway caved in
 * He said, "Fellas, it's been good to know ya"
 * The captain wired in he had water comin' in
 * And the good ship and crew was in peril
 * And later that night when his lights went out of sight
 * Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald


 * Does anyone know where the love of God goes
 * When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
 * The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
 * If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her
 * They might have split up or they might have capsized
 * They may have broke deep and took water
 * And all that remains is the faces and the names
 * Of the wives and the sons and the daughters


 * Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
 * In the rooms of her ice-water mansion
 * Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams
 * The islands and bays are for sportsmen
 * And farther below, Lake Ontario
 * Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
 * And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
 * With the gales of November remembered


 * In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
 * In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
 * The church bell chimed 'til it rang twenty-nine times
 * For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald
 * The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
 * Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
 * Superior, they said, never gives up her dead
 * When the gales of November come early

-Gordon Lightfoot

μηδείς (talk) 17:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

AN/I on User Gregkaye
I see you reverted my jokes, not that I object. Probably went too far. It's not like me to make comments like that in WP. I have suffered WP:PA and WP:HOUND from that editor almost daily from the end of July, with a brief respite when he did not edit for a month after an RfC/U. He is back in force now, and disrupting the AN/I (and other places) with the same harassment of self and his other arch-enemy, the editor who brought the AN/I. Trying to sort it out with some admins on the RfC/U. I wouldn't be surprised if he came here, as I am being shadowed. Are you an admin, btw? This editor told me you were, but I couldn't find your name on WP's List of Current Admins. I was given the list by the Help Desk about two weeks ago. Possibly an out-of-date one. Love the animated star-spangled banner on your userpage! --P123ct1 (talk) 22:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I reverted it because you messed with section heading, so I assumed your post was insincere. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:44, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) :I cannot understand it. That link was only to one joke.  This is the other one in the diff here, which has been reverted by somebody, but I cannot see where.  Was it you?  (I am not very good with diffs). --P123ct1 (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * How did I mess with the section heading? I didn't touch it.  Or perhaps I misunderstand you?  The jokes were sincere, btw..  --P123ct1 (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You put "Bold Text" stuff on the section heading and messed it up. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:56, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I most certainly did not put "Bold Text" in there. I cannot even see why I would want to.  Also suspicious is that I cannot find the diff for the second remark, to see who reverted it.  This isn't the first time strange things have happened to diffs either (not mine).  You didn't answer my question:  are you an admin?  My concerns may seem a trivial matter to you, but they are not for an editor accused of doing something which they did not do. --P123ct1 (talk) 06:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the diff. Maybe it was a mistake or some glitch in the edit. If you think the rest of it is appropriate, go ahead and add it back. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:08, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And no, I'm not an admin. I'm just a regular old pawn here. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:09, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No need to restore, they were only passing jokes and not important. Can't understand how the "Bold text" got into the diff, though. :) --P123ct1 (talk) 15:29, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Must have been a glitch of some kind. I apologize for adding to the confusion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:16, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

More suitable to the Season
 I Put a Spell on You  

μηδείς (talk) 05:16, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Or the original classic: ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:25, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

September 14, 1814

 * O say can you see by the dawn's early light,
 * What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
 * Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
 * O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
 * And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
 * Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
 * O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
 * O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

μηδείς (talk) 20:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * And where is that band who so vauntingly swore that the havoc of war and the battle's confusion a home and a country should leave us no more? Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave from the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave. And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph doth wave o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
 * ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

You better watch out
you better not cry μηδείς (talk) 21:36, 20 November 2014‎ (UTC)


 * Not to worry. There's no crying in baseball. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Re IBAN between me and TRM
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
 * Thanks for the alert. As far as I know, bans imposed by ArbCom can't just be lifted at a whim, they have to be appealed to ArbCom. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:33, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

: ]
Thank you for helping and backing me up all the time. -- (Russell.mo (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2014 (UTC))
 * You're welcome. I do what I can. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Request at Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment
Baseball Bugs, I have formatted the request for you however you need to do the following: Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:47, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * List the arbitration case in which the ban was imposed in the top section - if it's not from an arbitration case then it very likely doesn't belong at Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment
 * If it was imposed from an arbitration case you need to change the request from a clarification to an amendment using the example on this page.
 * Read the instructions in the pink box at the top of the page before making any further edits to that page, they very clearly outline the requirements for the page, your edits have made it obvious that you haven't read and/or understood it.
 * Before I go to that effort, how likely is it that someone is going to do anything? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And as to the original case, I can find you the page where the IBAN is listed, but I don't know how to find the underlying case. But it was an arbcom case, I'm pretty sure. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:24, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Emilie claire Barlow
I did send a self addressed stamped envelope and I got nothing. Please help me. Venustar84 (talk) 01:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Is that what her website said to do? And by the way, it was someone besides me who suggested the SASE. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration clarification request archived
Hi BB, just letting you know that I've archived the clarification request you filed to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:35, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Jolly good. Thank you! See you in February or so. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

The Merchant of Venice

 * The quality of mercy is not strained;
 * It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
 * Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
 * It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
 * ‘T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
 * The throned monarch better than his crown:
 * His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
 * The attribute to awe and majesty,
 * Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
 * But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
 * It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
 * It is an attribute to God himself;
 * And earthly power doth then show likest God’s
 * When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
 * Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
 * That, in the course of justice, none of us
 * Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
 * And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
 * The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
 * To mitigate the justice of thy plea;
 * Which if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
 * Must needs give sentence ‘gainst the merchant there.

-- 03:27, 5 December 2014‎ (UTC)
 * "What light breaks yonder window?" (And you thought I didn't know Shake-speare.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:24, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * Fixed. Thank you! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:59, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Baseball bugs are you upset with questions that I ask at the refrence desk?
Sorry. You can call me by my first name Kristine. Venustar84 (talk) 18:35, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really. What specific question are you talking about? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:09, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Just my stupid question about Emilie Barlow. Or other questions you didn't like. I have autism so sometimes my judgement isn't good. Venustar84 (talk) 23:37, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * What was wrong with my responses? As I recall, I was just giving you what I considered to be good advice. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Note
I've been diagnosed with a potentially serious illness, so if I disappear for a while, you'll know what happened. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I wish you good luck and good medical science. Chillum 18:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your kind comments. I'm awaiting biopsy results. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Negative! All is well. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

A Courteous Notification That You Are Being Discussed At ANI
Here is the thread in question - I apologize if this is not the correct way to go about notifying you, I've never done this before.Phoenixia1177 (talk) 06:52, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

1 Corinthians 13 New International Version (NIV)
13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

μηδείς (talk) 22:28, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Venustar84
Baseball bigs do you know I have mental issues? Sorry for the questions I ask at the reference desk. I have alot of stuff in my personal life I'm going through. I have autiusm. Venustar84 (talk) 06:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't mind the questions, in general. The problem arises when you ask a question that requires speculation or guessing. That's not something we can do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well do me a favor and call me by my real name. Kristine. Venustar84 (talk) 17:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you want everyone to do so? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah I really would like that. Venustar84 (talk) 01:12, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It might be possible to embed it in your signature. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:43, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * How do I do that? Just remember to call me by that name OK. that's all I ask.Venustar84 (talk) 18:36, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Go to your Preferences tab and look for "Signature". It may be empty by default. If it is, let me know, and I'll give you an idea on how to fix it up the way you want. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bugs
Me new here. How make edit? Slight Smile  19:16, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Try hitting the "edit" tab. That usually works. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:26, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

avoiding good faith
it takes a special skill at avoiding good faith to link to a sentence ending in a smiley and state that you don't recall seeing a smiley. you could probably win a medal. please don't disrupt my question again. 212.96.61.236 (talk) 18:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "I don't recall seeing a smiley" was a true statement. That there actually was a smiley there also turns out to be true. Don't accuse me of lack of good faith, when your own good faith is sorely lacking. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:26, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

but seriously
I like joking but hey serious is nice too. Anyways Bugs my best wishes and hope all is well. Slight Smile  15:13, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

LMK Hat
I hatted everything after the question, there is nothing wrong with the question - and, while I don't see that answering where they saw it will actually taint replies, it isn't trolling to suggest it will on part of the op. I don't see anything wrong with your asking, nor with the ops replies - but, it appears the two of you "clash", unless you have an answer, maybe it would be best to just avoid that specific question (no offense meant, there's a few people I've clashed with too...obviously). Merry Christmas (early) :-) That's meant genuinely, I can never tell when I sound sarcastic, hence this addendum Phoenixia1177 (talk) 05:01, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * All is well. :) I still don't understand the question. Maybe someone else will. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing
I am glad that you noticed this It is the doublest entendre that I have ever come up with on my own. Wassail cheers to you and have a grand 2015 on WikiP and even more so off. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:20, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Wishing you a Meryl Streep and a Harvey Korman!
I'd change "Mathematically speaking, it is not possible to have anything "bigger than any natural number"." to "Physical speaking... since there are various types of infinities and the claim being made is a physical one of closed systems, not a mathematical one. μηδείς (talk) 05:16, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Jive is a jargon, but I am not going to point that out. John McWhorter is the linguist who was pressed into explaining the validity of black dialects to non-linguists and conservatives, while advising blacks that learning proper standard English broadens their opportunities and cultural horizons. If you are going to read anything on the subject of black speach (which is as varied as "white" American dialects, I recommend his "Doing Our Own Thing". μηδείς (talk) 05:16, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

How do I put my first name as my signature again?
Please let me know. Venustar84 (talk) 19:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Go to "Preferences". What does the section "Signature" show? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It worked! Thank you! Kristine 22:28, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Just one thing, though: You need to retain your actual user ID as part of the signature. That's required. It previously said Venustar84 (talk). You could change it to something like Venustar84 (Kristine) (talk). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:02, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Or to make it really convenient, for both you and others, you could have it as Venustar84 (talk) (contributions). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)