User talk:Basgar Peverel

I am writing an article currently entitled Bruce Burdick, designer. It may evolve into an article called 'the Burdick Group.' My possible conflict of interest is that I worked for Bruce Burdick and the Burdick Group on several projects: the Creativity Exhibit, The Aramco Museum, a proposed Eames exhibit, the Philips evoluon, and very briefly on the Samsung headquarters exhibit. This connection ended more than 20 years ago, Burdick is dead and his firm folded in 2000. That closeup look is what convinced me that a Wikipedia article is in order: that his projects were serious, original, responsible and imaginative. I worked at another exhibit design firm later,and the contrast was striking. I am a partisan, but my own personal interests will not be affected one way or another if this article finally sees the light of day.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Bruce Burdick, designer (December 17)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Bruce Burdick, designer (February 20)
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S0091 (talk) 17:43, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Promising draft
Hi Basgar, I add the "promising draft" "tag" to the draft. This will extend the life of the draft if it happens to go unedited. Normally drafts are deleted if they go unedited for six month (clock starts ticking at the last edit). This will extend it for a year from the last edit so if you take a break it gives it more time. It also adds it to a category which may or may not gain attention from other editors. In worst case, if does get deleted any editor (you are an editor) can ask it to be undeleted but that is extra step so best to keep it around. Of course the goal is to get it accepted but I would rather that extra padding exist than not. S0091 (talk) 21:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bruce Burdick has been accepted
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Thanks again, and happy editing! CNMall41 (talk) 14:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I admire your COI disclosure in the beginning. These types of things makes editors such as myself willing to help out as much as we can. Great topic by the way. I left some comments on the talk page for friendly advice. Cheers!!--CNMall41 (talk) 14:55, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Hi Basgar, the article has passed the biggest hurdle and now is open the world! Thanks for obtaining the photos of the exhibits. I really do believe they help readers better understand his work. I noted your statement on the talk page about inviting "interested parties" to cut some of the article. A couple of considerations that may be helpful in those discussions/decisions. While the article is technically open for anyone to edit, those with a conflict of interest should not edit the article directly. Yours is distant enough I do not consider it a strong COI but someone else theoretically could raise it as an issue (unlikely, but could happen). In addition, content must abide by Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines and no one owns the article (see WP:Ownership of content). At the end of day, content decisions should focus on what is best for the encyclopedia. I think you understand this but others may not. As far as trimming the article, part of my thoughts is if the desk has enough in-depth sources it could be its own article then some of the content in the Burdick article could be moved there. Something to mull about anyway. Again, congratulations! Having an article accepted, as you now know, is not an easy feat. S0091 (talk) 17:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, S0091. Now I wish knew how to get rid of the ominous billboard. I cut about 5 sentences that seemed less informative. But the problem is a little like Zeno’s paradox. I could keep cutting forever without necessarily getting to CNMall41’s destination. I suspect he/she thinks there are too many quotations from Burdick, but I think his quotations are more interesting than my lists.
 * I personally don’t think the desk deserves an article. Only the “dining room table” is still on the market. And there is a problem of ambiguity: The Burdick Group is the desk and the design firm. Is it legitimate to ask CNMall41 whether my cuts made a difference?
 * Basgar Peverel (talk) 21:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)Basgar Peverel
 * The "billboard"...I like I you how put that. In Wikipedia speak they are referred to as "tags" and actually exist all over Wikipedia (see MillerKnoll for somewhat relevant example).  Mostly, they exist to call attention to editors or readers to help improve the article (along with the "tag", the article is listed in a category, which serves like a "to do" list).  However, those categories are often so large with thousands of articles they are not always effective.  I can say it needs to trimmed more which requires taking a dispassionate view and writing it for a general worldwide audience who will at most give a one minute read. This is where having a connection with the subject can be adisadvantage (thus also why Wikipedia has COI guidelines).  The question to ask is "why is this important?".  How you answer that question is by what published sources have said about it (not what he or anyone affiliated with him or the company said/thought about it).  If very little, other than its existence, then it likely should not be included.
 * I am surprised you believe the desk does not warrant an article but maybe that is because we are standing in different places. What is still on the market matters not from an encyclopedic standpoint (and actually I think the desk still still selling on the secondary market at auctions). What matters is what has been written about it by independent reliable sources.  I agree its quite confusing as to, first, what it is the actual name ("The Burdick Group", "Burick Group", "The Burdick Group desk", "Burdick Group system", etc.) along with the obvious overlap with his company's name.  Good marketing technique though.  So I have to ask, in your opinion which piece of work do you think is most deserving of an article? S0091 (talk) 22:20, 1 April 2022 (UTC)