User talk:Basketball Fan 23

Welcome, and thank you for your attempt to lighten up Wikipedia. However, this is an encyclopedia and the articles are intended to be serious, so please don't make joke edits. Readers looking for accurate information will not find them amusing. If you'd like to experiment with editing, try the sandbox, where you can write practically anything you want. Us441 (talk to me) (My piece) 19:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

July 2013
Hello, I'm Gtwfan52. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Patrick Manifold, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. also, please see WP:NPOV Gtwfan52 (talk) 17:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello User:Gtwfan52 It appears you have deleted the edits I did to a page about a basketball player Patrick Manifold saying it was not using sources and citation? I do not understand as I know the man personally? All the information is 100% true, I even emailed him asking to clarify certain information. I wanted to add a picture but I am not very good with computers and I did my best. I spent hours making those edits and now they are gone? I would love to make this page properly so it was a really good page but I do not know how to do this and I do not often have time to learn. Please help me, you are a great user and very good at Wikipedia, please help me gtwfan52, I will be so upset if the page gets deleted, I have spent so long on it. Thank you and I hope to hear from you very soon! Wgw2024 (talk) 02:41, 28 June 2013 (UTC)User:Basketball Fan 23 Gtwfan52. Apologies if I am doing this wrong, I am not very good at computers

Nomination of Patrick Manifold for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Patrick Manifold is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Patrick Manifold until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Gtwfan52 (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Your signature
I don't know what you are doing, and I am guessing you don't either. Somehow, you made a comment at Articles for deletion/Patrick Manifold and put MY signature on it. I don't have a clue as to how you may have done that, but please don't do it again. You also made a comment on both your talk page and my talk page and somehow signed it with the signature of someone who had communicated with me a few weeks ago on my talk page. Just so you know, whenever you communicate on a talk page, or any page where discussion is taking place (such as AfD), you should sign your entry by typing four tildes ( ~ ).

As far as the article, Patrick Manifold goes, I need to tell you four things:
 * 1) Stuff you know from personal knowledge is not usable on Wikipedia.  We call that original research and it is not allowed.
 * 2) It is considered very poor practice to create or edit articles about yourself or your friends.  See WP:COI.
 * 3) Please read the notability standard I cited as the reason for deletion.  Although Wikipedia is "the encyclopedia anyone can edit", that does not mean that you can put anything you want in it.  The set standard for college athlete's inclusion is noted on the AfD page.  He does not meet it.  As he is at a Division III school, he most likely won't ever meet it unless he ends up playing pro ball.
 * 4) Writing in the style you have written this article is definitely not acceptable.  Wikipedia is a tertiary source, designed to report on facts that others have written about.  It is not to publicize anybody or anything.

It is my nature to try to help new users with their problems and I will be glad to help you with yours, but this article sure looks beyond help. I am sure Mr. Manifold is a great guy, but he just hasn't done anything yet in his life that merits a Wikipedia article. Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Gtwfan52 can you send me a link to the standards for a college basketball player I couldn't find it on the afd page. And he is going pro right now, just for the record. I also checked the site stats and that page has had almost 600 views in JUST the past 90 days, so obviously this is something people are looking at and searching for. I find it a little offensive to say that he has not done anything in his life that is worth a Wikipedia page, when there are almost 5 million articles on Wikipedia hundreds of thousands of which are meaningless. This man is being searched and has achieved a lot, I am sure many people must think he is 'worthy' of a Wikipedia page... Gtwfan52 I DID NOT WRITE THAT!!! Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:37, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia notability standards have nothing to do with what either you or I think. They are objective, not subjective.  If you want people to help you, you need to listen to what they are telling you.  I wrote a piece on this page, under which we are still communicating, explaining how to properly sign your messages.  Yet still you are doing something that is making MY signature appear on your communications.  The standard for notability for a college athlete is wikilinked in the AfD discussion.  And yes, Wikipedia is full of a lot of useless crap.  Athletics, however, have fairly tight standards.  You need to quit taking this personally.  The only motivation I have is to improve the encyclopedia by ridding it of promotional garbage.  Which that article is.  If you are offended, get over it. Sign someone else's name to a communication again, and I will be forced to report you for disruptive editing.  If you want to work in good faith with me (which by the way is a requirement at Wikipedia, not an option), I will be happy to help you.  If not, not. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:37, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I am not offended user:gtwfan52 I am just trying to explain. I would like help... What exactly needs to be done to that article to make it fit wikipedias standards? It is almost 3 years out of date now so I tried to update it with all of his notable accomplishments in that time. I am trying, apparently not very well to make it more reputable. I have a bunch of links that I got the information from, a load of press releases, should I put them on there? I tried to add a picture but did not know how? What do I have to do, in a nutshell, to make it ok so that all the 'deleting' thing at the top of the page can be removed? If it cant I would rather just delete the page as I do not want to adversely effect his aspiring pro career, I just saw him play a few times in America and thought he was a great player and wanted to write some factual information about him. I am sorry if I have offended YOU, I am merely trying to learn how to use this Wikipedia and it is difficult when you do not have a lot of computer knowledge.


 * P.S I have no idea how I am doing that, can you tell me how I can write in here so that you can see it without doing whatever im doing?


 * Firstly, you posted your reply right in the middle of the informational template I left for you, so it didn't show up. I fixed that.  You need to sign all of your communications with four tildes ( ~ ).  That will apply your signature and a timestamp.  Please read some of the links that I sent you.  It is all explained in there.  These two are especially helpful for a beginner: The Newcomers Manual and User:Persian Poet Gal/"How-To" Guide to Wikipedia.  Wikilinks appear in a different color.  You can click on them just like any hyperlink on any webpage.  The wikilink for notability for college athletes is WP:NCOLLATH.  Hope this helps.  You appear to be confusing your worldview of notability, which is subjective, with the objective standard for inclusion on Wikipedia, which we happen to call notability.  Don't ask me why we call the standard for inclusion notability, we just do.  I have argued about that with others for a while to no avail.  It is sooo misleading.  So anyway, read some stuff and get back to me if you like.  If you are sick of me, you can try asking some questions at the Teahouse, which I have left you a link for at the bottom of this page. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, BTW. I mentioned you being offended because you said you found something I wrote offensive.  And just so you know, 600 pageviews in 3 months is not a lot. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

On Notability
Encyclopedias in general, not just Wikipedia, are what is known as "tertiary" sources. In other words, we write about what secondary sources are writing about. That is the reason, no matter how misleading it is, that the standard for inclusion is called "notability". We only discuss what other sources have made note of. For anything to be notable, reliable, independent (not connected in any way with the subject of the article) sources have to be talking in detail about the subject. If you look at the AfD discussion, you will see near the top some links that take you to searches that will provide you with secondary sources on Mr Manifold. There is the article you have cited about the workout stuff and a few articles about games he has played in. That is all.

Particular catagories of articles will have particular standards. I have linked you to the standard for college athletes above. Quoting from it:


 * 1) Have won a national award (such as those listed in Template:College Football Awards or the equivalent in another sport), or established a major Division I (NCAA) record.
 * 2) Were inducted into the hall of fame in their sport (for example, the College Football Hall of Fame).
 * 3) Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team.

I do not see where any of this applies to him. As I said before, I do not see an article here. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC) This is being posted on your Talk page where you can receive messages from other Wikipedians and discuss issues and respond to questions. At the end of each message you will see a signature left by the editor posting. This is done by signing with four  ~  or by pressing or  in the editing interface tool box, located just above the editing window (when editing). Do not sign edits that you make in the articles themselves as those messages will be deleted, but only when using the article talkpage, yours or another editor's talkpage. If you have any questions or face any initial hurdles, feel free to contact me on my talk page and I will do what I can to assist or give you guidance and contact information.

Again, welcome! Gtwfan52 (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC) Gtwfan52 (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Basketball Fan 23/Patrick Manifold


Hello, Basketball Fan 23. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Patrick Manifold".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. DannyS712 (talk) 20:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Basketball Fan 23/Patrick Manifold


A tag has been placed on User:Basketball Fan 23/Patrick Manifold, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Legacypac (talk) 18:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)