User talk:Bastun/Parkrun/Archive 1

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Until someone can provided more documented evidence of runners causing problems to other park users it should remain as "isolated incidents". Currently only one link is provided which can not be said to represent every parkrun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.75.37 (talk) 18:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

The name must be written with small initial letter 'p' and as one word according to official guidance from the organisation. This article is not in compliance

- I know what you mean, but Wikipedia's style guide favours capitalisation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters#Trademarks ClivePIA (talk) 16:43, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Trim list of events
The wiki page has previously included a list of events and their start date. For some time now I have been keeping this list up to date. However in 2011 parkrun grew at an incredible rate. It is no longer viable for wikipedia to have a long list of events, when those events are all listed on the parkrun web site. By removing the long list, this has (a) saved me lots of work and (b) means the Wikipedia page is now a nice consise summary of parkrun.
 * Good Idea - a sensible rationalisation --Chris (talk) 12:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

other items
Does "(Namibia and Swaziland are listed under the South Africa Parkrun country website)" really need to be part of the opening sentence? Seems quite a random thing to include there.

Cost?
Our local parkrun needed £3000 from our local council for setting up. How do the finances work? Free to runners, exposed to advertising from companies owned by the parkrun company directors?Sebmelmoth (talk) 12:20, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI: Parkrun get most of their income from sponsors. Most of their expenses come from paying a handful of full-time employees and the (mostly one-off) costs of setting up new events. I believe Parkrun pay half of the cost (£3000) for setting up events, while the remaining £3000 has to be obtained by the local organisers (they would usually get it from the local council). Most of these start-up costs go towards buying the equipment like barcode scanners and timers. Once an event starts up, it then costs very little to keep it going, as volunteers do the work. Anywikiuser (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Records
I recently updated to add records for running separately from wheelchair users, particularly as the wheelchair record for parkrun is faster than track world record for a 5k run. However, it is difficult to track the wheelchair category records via the parkrun website as they don't appear to allow for a category record display for the whole of the UK or worldwide. Larkim (talk) 14:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC) Also now added records which are "assisted" - with a recent spate of canicross runners setting records. The validity of this can be seen in the personal parkrun profiles for the runners where their PBs are marked as "assisted". Larkim (talk) 15:01, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Statistics
Why are Guernsey and Jersey separate from the UK in this list? I'm pretty sure they are part of the United Kingdom.NemesisAT (talk) 11:03, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but they are not - see United Kingdom "The nearby Isle of Man, Bailiwick of Guernsey and Bailiwick of Jersey are not part of the United Kingdom, being Crown dependencies ....." Ânes-pur-sàng - À la perchoine 11:30, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Potential Map
I have used the geo-tags on the Parkrun site to create a Google map to show the locations of the various Parkruns. Is it appropriate for inclusion in the external links? RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 13:14, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't see why not... go for it! Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I have added this. Hope it's okay RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 10:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Parkrun versus parkrun
So parkrun styles itself with a small p at all times and I thought this article used to include that, but it seems now it is consistently using Parkrun with a capital? Should we not style it in the same way as the organisation would? Million_Moments (talk) 12:28, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * We follow MOS:TMRULES, which trumps the trademark owner's preferences. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 12:55, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I'll admit that writing Parkrun makes my parkrunner brain itch a little, but at Wikipedia we're writing for a general Wikipedia readership (not the parkrun community, who already know the subtle differences between a parkrun and a run in a park). A general reader should reasonably expect the ordinary rules of English grammar to apply (which is the essence of TMRULES) on every article. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 13:03, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * That's grand, I thought it might have been changed to follow style guidelines. But can we include the "styled as parkrun" in the intro paragraph which used to be there? (And still is on the foreign language artcles) or is that also a no? Million_Moments (talk) 14:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Personally I'd be okay with that. But there does seem to have been some effort, across Wikipedia in general, to remove these simple typographic "styled as" addenda. I'm not sure what part of the sprawling MOS informs that effort. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 14:40, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I just checked and it is a couple of sections down that you can indicate stylisations. :) Million_Moments (talk) 15:02, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Relations with local authorities
Right now, our "Conflicts with local authorities" section gives a particularly misleading impression (driven, inevitably, by the news media's fondness for conflict and other exitement). In reality, the majorty of parkrun events take place on local authority land, always with their backing, and often with their active financial sponsorship. Unfortunately I can't find an adequate summary to support that (and I'm not suggesting that my OR below is a substitute).

But surveying, for example, the North East England section of the parkrun UK list, we find 23 events. Of those, Durham, Gibside, and Tees Barrage are run on land owned by a trust, quango or comparable body (Durham is Durham Uni). The rest are all councils (I'm assuming the three seaside promenades are council owned - that's Hartlepool, Newbiggin, and Whitley Bay). A half-complete survey of the Yorkshire section is similar, albeit with York and Catterick on racecourses, which are (as far as I can tell) owned by private companies.

So, for an accurate article, we need to find a reliable source that summarises parkrun's generally excellent relations with local authorities. Darned if I know where to find one, however. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 23:50, 7 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I should also note that our coverage of the supposed temporary closure of the Cardiff run also appears to be misleading. Its results page doesn't show any gap at all in September 2011. So the actual story amounts to "the council asked the parkrun to make a change to accomodate others, which it did, and there was no actual disruption or cancellation at all". -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 11:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems it was cancelled during the week, but then reinstated in time for the next event. Anywikiuser (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Someone added a brief sentence which now addresses this. Anywikiuser (talk) 15:28, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Main Events Table
Given that Jersey and Guernsey are separated out from UK despite being run by 'parkrun UK' (and I appreciate that CI are not in the UK) - should the same also be done for the one on the Isle of Man (Nobles), as indicated on RoyalBlueStuey's map? I'm a fairly inexperienced Wikipedian so apologies for any mistakes in how I do things and I will gratefully accept guidance. Nodrog75 (talk) 12:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should. Also, remember to make sure that the total for Parkrun UK shouldn't include the Isle of Man (it currently doesn't include the Channel Islands either). Anywikiuser (talk) 15:22, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Maintenance tags
There are 3 maintenance tags on the page and I can't see any reason for them to be there. I'm perfectly happy to fix these issues but i don't know exactly where the problem is? 1) With regard to the tag this is for a specialist audience, well only people interested in parkrun would look at this page. 2) The primary reference tag, i've just counted 20 secondary references to RS sources. 3) The advert tag, I just can't see anything.

Without further information I think these can be removed. Comments? Szzuk (talk) 08:37, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * They are just drive-by clutter. I agree that they should be removed and have done so. Andrew D. (talk) 08:51, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

First Australian Parkrun
I'm wondering whether to create Main Beach Parkrun. As the first parkrun in Australia it is probably notable, it is hard to tell though, so too for South Africa or Ireland. Szzuk (talk) 11:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That's hard to say. There's no agreement over what makes a Parkrun event notable enough to have an article. Personally, I'm opposed to having articles for individual parkruns with the possible exception of Bushy. Currently, three individual Parkrun events (all in the UK) have an article: Bushy, Wimbledon Common and Black Combe.
 * Bushy Parkrun has had a Wikipedia article since 2007, when it was the Bushy Park Time Trial and before any of the other events were launched. Bushy is perhaps the most notable as it's the oldest, has had many famous runners take part and has received extensive media coverage. It does however seem odd that it has an article while busier events in South Africa don't.
 * The Wimbledon Common Parkrun article was created only last week and is the subject of this deletion discussion.
 * Black Combe was the first parkrun in a prison; a few more have been launched since. I would rather have a section on "Prison parkruns" in this article. Anywikiuser (talk) 15:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Based upon your comments I think we need not a Main Beach Parkun page but a prose section called Parkrun in Australia, and also Parkrun in the UK, Parkrun in South Africa etc. I think a section on prisons would be giving undue weight to them as there are only a handful, but Australia has over 300 and gets just one line in a table. I can't say I currently have any ideas of what to add though? Szzuk (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, a prose section on Parkrun in Australia sounds like the way forward. Anywikiuser (talk) 08:18, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I added a few sentences in a new section, I will see what I can come up with for South Africa. Szzuk (talk) 09:36, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft:List of Junior Parkruns in the UK
Someone has created Draft:List of Junior Parkruns in the UK and submitted it to new page review. There are no refs at the moment do you know of any? Szzuk (talk) 20:28, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you mean for the individual parkruns? Because there is say a local news article here on one? Million_Moments (talk) 09:35, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better if there was one which talked about junior parkruns in their totality explaining what they are and could go into the lead of the article, from a national news source. The local refs are fine for referencing individual entries but the nom may not put them in. Szzuk (talk) 09:56, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Well there is this from an Irish national paper. Million_Moments (talk) 12:28, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I added it and linked back here in the edit summay. Szzuk (talk) 17:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I archived this in error yesterday, the draft is being worked on and this page provides a good link to the draft for current and future editors. Szzuk (talk) 06:40, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of Parkruns in the United States of America
A deletion discussion on whether this article is suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia is taking place. Szzuk (talk) 20:06, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Photo request template
I added the photo request template to the talk page, there must be millions of photos but comparatively little on commons and nothing else usable that I can see. Szzuk (talk) 15:10, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

A single event
I'm thinking about adding a section entitled something like "A single event" because the article discusses Parkrun in general but users won't experience that - they would go to just one event. But I can't think of the right name and don't want it to sound like a 'How to go to a park and run'. Any ideas on what to do? Szzuk (talk) 18:29, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Do you mean outlining what happens at an event, from setup to people leaving? Perhaps then something like "Event outline"? It could then also include pre-event activities such as, e.g., reminder emails sent to volunteers a couple of days beforehand; event director and set-up volunteer(s) arrive and set up signage, check the course, etc.; other volunteers arrive... all the way to results and future volunteer roster are uploaded. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. Another user added the section "Operation" after this post and moved info around to try to better illustrate this point. It could do with having content added, I'm not sure how to go about it. Szzuk (talk) 19:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Parkrun Challenges
I don't think this section is notable. There are no references to wp:verify the notability of any of the content either in the article or on the internet. This section was added by an IP editor probably to wp:advertise the linked website. If this section is to stay I think at a minimum the words "Parkrun Challenges" must be verified to the content because the words have no official sanction that I know of, Parkrun has its own "Milestone clubs" which are officially sanctioned challenges. The Tourism section has several common unofficial challenges for example running them all in London, but each one mentioned is cited because otherwise they are wp:fancruft. Szzuk (talk) 19:06, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be changing the section header to "Unofficial Challenges", deleting the current content and moving in the 3 cited unofficial challenges from the tourism section. I will also add a hidden "Don't add un-cited content to this section note" as we've already deleted fancruft of this type in the past. Szzuk (talk) 21:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It would be disappointing if the section were removed. While the extension mentioned is fairly new, I'd heard of some of the challenges (e.g., alphabet tourism) months previously (my local parkrun is close to an airport and has a somewhat rate letter, so attracts lots of tourists), so the practice is widespread and no more "crufty" than the already cited challenges. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've just been looking for refs and managed to find a ref for stayin alive, the purely run every letter of the alphabet is already in the article, the one I want to find is pick any word and run the first letter, for example "Park" would be Phoenix, Aberdeen, Rogiet, Kirkwall. I'm drawing a blank with that, can you see anything? Szzuk (talk) 14:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)