User talk:Batard0/Archive 2

AOBOO Question
Hi Batard0, I see you added the overly technical tag to the AOBOO page. Can you clarify how this is the case so I can improve the page? I guess that I'm not clear on what is unclear on the page. You can respond here or on my talk page, either is fine. Thanks in advance. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 18:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me so quickly Batard0. I made the recommended changes (it's still not clear to me why a short list should be reworded as prose but it's unimportant to me, it's just formatting really). I think the lead of the article breaks the subject down better and makes it more "accessible." I guess when writing articles I don't automatically think about those things since it seems lazy to me that the average reader wouldn't click on the wikilinks to get more detail about a subject (that's what I usually do if confused on a topic but it's true that not everyone wants to do this). Regardless, I think the article is a bit more thorough now and the overly dense/technical issue has been addressed sufficiently. Thanks for your input which helped lead to a better article. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 06:56, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

New Wiki-Project subproject
Automatic Strikeout and I have started a new sub-project off of the NFL Wiki-Project dedicated to referees. It can be found here. I know you have interest in older NFL players, and thought it was worth a try to invite you to help out with this new project. It's in the frantic organizational stage at the moment, but feel free to jump in. Thanks! Go Phightins! (talk) 03:13, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikify
Hi, just to let you know that the Template:Wikify tag has now been deprecated. Please use Template:underlinked or Template:dead end from now on, cheers.  Del ♉ sion 23  (talk)  17:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:Bill Willis/GA1
Hello! I have reviewed the GA nomination on this article and have placed it on hold pending resolution of a couple small concerns. You may find them at the talk page above. Regards, Resolute 22:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * And passed! Thanks for the quick response.  One final thing... I just noticed that this article is in Category:Jackie Robinson (along with some other black athlete pioneers).  Personally, I don't see real relevance for that specific category, but I'll leave it to you to decide if it is appropriate or not.  Cheers! Resolute 14:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

GA Thanks
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FA Thanks
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GA Thanks
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Your GA nomination of Frank Gatski
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The Bridgeness Slab
Hi, I have done a little work on The Bridgeness Slab could you have a look at it and make further recommendations / remove tags as you see fit, thanks - Yorkshiresoul (talk) 12:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

hypopressive exercise
...how to improve this? tepi (talk) 18:46, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

TY for detailed feedback. I will try to reword the etymology section and condense/summarize the evidence base section. Re: leaving space after punctuation marks and the reference, I notice some leave a space and others do not. My personal preference is leaving a space, but if this is not standard policy or something I will stop doing this. 23_2&#123;(SBST:SU:m.&#125;&#125; (talk) 12:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Understood. TY for advice. 23_2&#123;(SBST:SU:m.&#125;&#125; (talk) 23:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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NFLPA
Again I wanted to thank you for your suggestions. I was able to incorporate the information about training camp and the value of the Browns players using the quote you left on my TP. I've struggled to find a source for the Halas argument although as you noted, I wouldn't think it'd be a huge point of contention. -- The Writer 2.0 Talk 16:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As may or may not know, I've done some tweaking to the article and would appreciate it if you would have another look. Regards. -- The Writer 2.0 Talk 20:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Truman Markets
Hi, you justifiably tagged Truman Markets as "advert" when it was a stand-alone page. Now that I have merged it back into Brick Lane Market and trimmed the content somewhat, is it acceptable enough? – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Please note that I kept your "advert" tag, but moved it down to what is now just a section on the Truman Markets. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:55, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Lou Groza/GA1‎
Done with my review. Looks good, overall, but I have some comments. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:1946 Cleveland Browns season/GA1
Just a few quick things... Go  Phightins  !  02:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * Thanks! I've got to get back to reviewing indeed. --Batard0 (talk) 20:15, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind...
that I moved 1946 Cleveland Browns season from GA nominees to GAs. My CDO was kicking in. :) Go   Phightins  !  03:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all, thanks! --Batard0 (talk) 05:04, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Joe Lillard PR
Batard, I'd like to take you up on your offer for sources on the NFL's gentlemen's agreement about race. The ones I've been using either don't make it clear enough that it was a gentlemen's agreement, or don't say that Marshall was behind it. Anything you could provide would be appreciated. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 16:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I've added a couple of sentences to the article from the excerpt you provided. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 12:41, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Ironholds. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Justin Warner, and have un-reviewed it again. If you've got any questions, please ask me on my talk page. Thanks,
 * Sorry about that; stupid bloody bug with the system. I'll have it fixed ;p. Ironholds (talk) 20:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Pluralist Generation
Thank you for taking the time to help me improve Pluralist Generation. I am working to improve the article, but I am not sure why it was tagged for neutrality. Can you provide insight? Thanks, HtownCat (talk) 23:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Cleveland Browns logo, 2006 to present.svg
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 * further to my comments on File talk:Cleveland Browns logo, 2006 to present.svg and MRG comments on Files_for_deletion/2011 December 11 the helment drawing is replaceable. Mt  king  (edits)  02:11, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * May I recommend that you upload an image sourced directly from the team to replace this one that has been deleted, that way there is no question over where it was sourced and if it can be replaced. Mt  king  (edits)  01:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The other one was obviously the team's logo, and the precedent set by deletion means that any other upload of the team's logo can be deleted. If your only concern was that the logo did not come directly from the team's site, why did you not say this earlier? I could have simply uploaded a replacement file linked to the website instead of going through the deletion process, which unfortunately set a precedent whereby any Browns logo is not suitable for inclusion. While you've been kind enough to notify me of the deletion process, I'm disappointed by the fact that you haven't responded to any of the substantive issues or concerns that I raised; nor did you respond to a request that it be taken to FFD to gain a broader consensus. Instead, you asked an administrator to look at the image without notifying me of that request, and the admin deleted it. Wikipedia is run by consensus, and I feel these actions (and the failure to seek a broader consensus or engage with me in a substantive discussion) run counter to its principles. --Batard0 (talk) 05:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * To clarify, you did say in the discussion that "If you can provide a link in the source to the being the team's website then I will remove the CSD". I provided a link to the source being the team's website, and you asked for a specific link to the file. I couldn't provide that because the file may have been removed or relocated since it was first uploaded. You never at any time said replacing the file with one uploaded from the team's website would allow it to satisfy the inclusion guidelines. --Batard0 (talk) 05:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * When you first approached me I did check the CB website for .svg files and could not find any, it is not a file in my experience you find used on corporate websites. If you were to upload one taken from the website - say the one found on then uploaded that, it would be clear that it was totally the work of the team and then a FUR could be made for it's use.  Mt  king  (edits)  08:27, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I did some looking around, and I see that none of the NFL teams' logos are sourced to their teams' websites. See:
 * File:Cincinnati Bengals.svg (under a threshold of originality license, different)
 * File:Pittsburgh Steelers logo.svg (sourced to the webpage, not to a specific file, like the Browns one, but is under a PD notice, so it's different)
 * File:Baltimore Ravens logo.svg (only source is "may be obtained by the Baltimore Ravens", same license claims as Browns)
 * File:Buffalo Bills logo.svg (source is "Buffalo Bills" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as Browns)
 * File:Miami Dolphins logo.svg (sourced to "Miami Dolphins" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as Browns)
 * File:New England Patriots logo.svg (sourced to "New England Patriots" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as Browns)
 * File:New York Jets logo.svg (sourced to "The logo may be obtained from New York Jets.", no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as Browns)
 * File:Houston Texans logo.svg (sourced to "The logo may be obtained from Houston Texans.", no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Indianapolis Colts logo.svg (public domain claim, different from the Browns)
 * File:Jacksonville Jaguars.svg (sourced as extracted from a PDF at NFL.com. Doesn't link to the PDF, just the www.nfl.com website).
 * File:Tennessee Titans logo.svg (sourced to "Tennessee Titans" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Denver Broncos logo.svg (sourced to "Denver Broncos" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Kansas City Chiefs logo.svg (sourced to "Kansas City Chiefs" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Oakland Raiders.svg (sourced as extracted from a PDF at NFL.com. Doesn't link to the PDF, just the www.nfl.com website).
 * File:San Diego Chargers logo.svg (sourced as "The logo may be obtained from San Diego Chargers." with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Dallas Cowboys.svg (public domain claim, different from the Browns)
 * File:New York Giants logo.svg (public domain claim, different from the Browns)
 * File:Philadelphia Eagles primary logo.svg (sourced as "Extracted from an unknown PDF" with no link to any file, same license claims as Browns)
 * File:Washington Redskins logo.svg (sourced to "Washington Redskins" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Chicago Bears logo.svg (public domain claim, different from the Browns)
 * File:New Lions Logo.svg (sourced as "The logo may be obtained from Detroit Lions." with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Green Bay Packers logo.svg (public domain claim, different from the Browns)
 * File:Minnesota Vikings logo.svg (sourced to "Minnesota Vikings" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Atlanta Falcons logo.svg (sourced to "Atlanta Falcons" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Carolina Panthers logo 2012.svg (sourced to the team's website with no direct link to a file, plus a PDF hosted on a Wordpress blog that shows the logo, same license claims as Browns)
 * File:New Orleans Saints.svg (public domain claim, different from the Browns)
 * File:Tampa Bay Buccaneers logo.svg (sourced to "Tampa Bay Buccaneers" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:Arizona Cardinals logo.svg (sourced to "The logo may be obtained from Arizona Cardinals" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:49ers Logo.svg (public domain claim, different from the Browns)
 * File:Seattle Seahawks Main Logo 2012.png (sourced to "The logo is from the NFL.com website." with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * File:St Louis Rams logo.svg (sourced to "St. Louis Rams" with no link to the specific .svg file, same license claims as the Browns)
 * You'll note from this roundup that not a single NFL team has its logo sourced to a specific file on that team's website; only one of them with the same licensing as the Browns -- the Carolina Panthers -- has its logo sourced to any actual file. I know that WP:OSE, but this clearly establishes a common practice where logo images are not linked to specific files. Should all of these logos be deleted because they do not link directly to their sources? Under the WP:IUP, we have "Always specify on the description page where the image came from (the origin, sometimes called its "source") and information on how this could be verified. Examples include scanning a paper copy, or a URL, or a name/alias and method of contact for the photographer." I grant that this seems to require specifying exactly where the image file came from, but it's clear from all the NFL logo images that they routinely cite the "source" as the team -- while not specific, that, after all, is where the image originated from and where it can be verified as the team's logo. The Browns were no exception; a link to the team's website -- a website where its logo was clearly visible in several places and plainly matched the logo depicted in the file -- was provided in the image description. That went above and beyond the practice established by many other NFL logo images. So I'll ask again. What part of the WP:NFCC does the Browns logo fail to meet? Is it replaceable? No, it's plainly not, as it's been demonstrated and verified as the team's logo. Does it meet the criteria under WP:LOGO, which reflect a "long standing consensus is that it is acceptable for Wikipedia to use logos belonging to others for encyclopedic purposes"? Yes, it does. It complies with the WP:NFCC, it is a scalable vector file (and thus is not larger or smaller than is necessary), it had a detailed fair use rationale. The policy says "As well as a fair use rationale, the URL where the logo was found is useful to help verify the licensing information, copyright holder and authenticity of the logo." Note that it simply says a URL is useful to verify it, not required to do so. In this case it isn't necessary because the team's website provides a good-enough source to verify that it's in fact the logo. In sum, it would be nice if the file had been linked to directly, but this is not a firm requirement of the guidelines, nor is it standard practice for NFL logo images. Providing a link to this page where the logo is pictured only shows how easily verifiable the image is as the team's logo on the team's website. Instead of helping to resolve whatever problems there might have been through discussion and consensus, you chose to pursue deletion over my objections. You could have rectified the problem by advising me to replace the file with the one you just linked to. Yet here we are, with a precedent apparently established that any Browns logo cannot be used as its logo, since the rationale at Files_for_deletion/2011 December 11 has been deemed by an administrator to apply to this, even though these are clearly different cases. This precedent should be reversed and the file restored. --Batard0 (talk) 11:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * In the time it took to type that you could have uploaded the file sourced to the team linked above and be done with it. The precedent is that a drawing of a american football helmet is copyrightable to the person making that drawing and adding colour and/or a logo to it does not mean WP can claim a Fair Use rational over the whole work, so in this case just upload one sourced directly and verifiably to the team and there is not a problem. Mt  king  (edits)  19:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I could have easily uploaded the file sourced to the team linked above in the time it took to write this. But I think you're mischaracterizing the precedent. This is a logo, and falls under Wikipedia's policies on logos, as clearly explained above. A normal helmet drawing is not a logo; it's a drawing made by a person who holds the copyright for that drawing. That drawing may contain a depiction of the team's logo (printed on the helmet) but is not in itself a logo. It is in effect two copyrighted works: the logo on the helmet and the helmet drawing itself. The case of the Browns is different. Its logo is a normal logo under Wikipedia's logo policies, and just happens to be a depiction of the team's helmet. This is why the precedent is important, and why it shouldn't apply here. I don't see how uploading a file sourced to the team's website would negate the precedent set by the file's deletion. I reiterate that I'm disappointed that you have again not responded to the concerns I have raised, answered substantive issues about the guidelines or addressed the fact that the way the Browns logo was sourced before its deletion was consistent with standard practice for all NFL team logos. --Batard0 (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Merging Porul ilakkanam to Tamil grammar
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Talkback
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Talkback
I've started a review. Go  Phightins  !  20:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

WT:COI
I edited the new draft in situ to integrate something to address your concern, rather than starting a third draft. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Gigs (talk) 15:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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Another GA
Congrats on yet another GA! I'm supposed to encourage you to review one (or more) yourself. But congratulations and keep up the great work!

-- Go  Phightins  !  16:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppet investigations/Submitmaster
Good call. Will respond there. Cheers, Stalwart 111  (talk) 22:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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McCulloch RfC
Hi Batard, I've just copied a comment you posted today to the old RfC about McCulloch to the new RfC at the end of the page. It's about the same issue -- whether to include the allegations. See your post at the end of this section. I hope you don't mind that I copied it; I was thinking that perhaps you hadn't seen the new RfC when you commented. If you don't want it there, by all means remove it, or let me know and I'll do it for you. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 18:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Infobox NFL player discussion: Thank you
Batard, thank you for taking the time to organize the infobox template discussion on the WP:NFL talk page. This is exactly what WP:NFL needs to make informed decisions, and exactly the sort of discussion that should have been prompted before the problematic TfD was initiated. From the perspective of someone who is only an irregular participant at the TfD discussion page, this does not strike me as an unusual occurrence. There is an inherent bias among the TfD regulars to merge, consolidate and delete by creating one-size-fits-all templates. For many of them this is simply a coding exercise, with very little consideration of the resulting work and potential chaos that these consolidations cause as a practical matter. Moreover, the consolidated all-purpose templates often become large, unwieldy and are sometimes not as easy to use as templates with more specific purposes. In my personal experience, the unused and inappropriate parameters on the more complex consolidated templates sometimes invite vandalism and editor disputes over what are appropriate parameters to be used. Rookies often want to fill every blank parameter, and vandals see blank parameters as an invitation to insert something "funny." I remain skeptical whether we are solving more problems than we create. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Dave Holt Baseball Player
Hi Batard0 I was checking to see if it possible to have my page reinstated? Is there anything I can do? It seems there is some grey area and I might be reconsidered. Thank you, Dave Holt Baseball Player — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.223.98 (talk) 02:46, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Was there a deletion discussion you could refer to? I'm not an administrator, so I couldn't reinstate it to your userspace or to the mainspace myself, but perhaps an admin would consider if you have a good case. If it was at AfD, I'd consider going to the admin who closed the discussion (this should appear at the top of the discussion page). That might be a good place to start. Let me know if you need any other help. --Batard0 (talk) 06:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It was Sarah Stierch that closed the AfD. She can be reached here. Go   Phightins  !  22:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Extreme Rules (2012)
Thanks for agreeing to review Extreme Rules! :) Starship.paint (talk) 01:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * thanks for the information i will try to help oz get the article to GA --Nakurio (talk) 15:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
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Matrix splitting
I see that you added a template to the top of the matrix splitting article indicating that it may be too technical for most readers to understand. This article is no more technical than most Wikipedia mathematics articles. Why was the template added? — Anita5192 (talk) 20:01, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Jim Umbricht/GA2
I followed all your suggestions, and thanks for helping me with the review, many of these suggestions will help me in the future with both here, and with my college papers. I did left two, rather trivial comments however. Thanks Secret account 08:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I think I got everything. Thanks Secret account 05:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much, I just placed that article on peer review as I felt your GA review gave the article the potential of being featured later on. I'm currently working on the Kenny Easley article that I may nominate for GA soon. Writing American football biographies are much harder than baseball biographies I noticed. Thanks Secret account 08:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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Vick
Batard, Thanks for your patience with this GAR. My life has been greatly affected by a situation well beyond my control, and therefore I am not sure how much I'll be able to get done in the next several days, but rest assured that I have not forgotten about it. Thanks again,

Go  Phightins  !  00:01, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to worry -- take your time. In the meantime I'll also do some work on it with sourcing, etc. Hope everything's well. --Batard0 (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

MMA Event Notability
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Thanks for the notification.
Thanks for the notification about the Paul Brown coaching tree section. I was trying to add Tom Coughlin's name to the tree since Coughlin & Bill Belichick share a connection to Bill Parcells. Can you or somebody else here on Wikipedia please help me fix it? Thank you. Mr. Brain (talk) 05:07, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

You're the best. Thanks a bunch.
I noticed your changes, and yes, the ones you made will definitely suffice. Thank you for fixing the Paul Brown Tree, and for adding Tom Coughlin. Mr. Brain (talk) 15:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

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Vick GA
Would you mind taking a quick look and offering any additional suggestions? I am still looking for a few additional sources, but I think content-wise, it's sufficient. Thanks. Go  Phightins  !  19:46, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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Pujols GA review
Thank you very much for reviewing the article! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 11:46, 26 December 2012 (UTC)