User talk:Bay Ridge

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July 2015
Your recent editing history at Bay Ridge, Brooklyn shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Thomas.W talk 19:41, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. It is considered spamming, and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion, so any further spamming will be regarded as vandalism. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thomas.W talk 15:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted, preventing anyone from linking to them from all Wikimedia sites as well as potentially being penalized by search engines. Thomas.W talk 17:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Go ahead. Who are you to vandalize other pages? You should get a life instead of vandalizing other people's work. Bay Ridge talk

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text below this notice:. NawlinWiki (talk) 18:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

This BS. Bay Ridge is NOT an official neighborhood. It is not a town or city, doesn't have any govt. In all fairness, you should remove all the External links from the other dozens of neighborhood listed at the bottom of the Bay Ridge, Brooklyn page. EVERY LAST one of hem has links to web pages similar to mine. But that would be too much work for you to do, to be equally fair. I'll be looking to escalate this further. There was no need for this. I hope the prick who started all this, Fitnr is happy now that Bay Ridge, Brooklyn has no links at all now. I'll be making edits to their page now until you remove their links as well. Forgotten NY. They have the same type of links and maybe Thomas W. can spend as much time as he did researching my site, on theirs. Here's some help. This page, http://forgotten-ny.com/stuff/ is where they ask for money as donations and sell shirts and other services. So now do you job and remove the site from Wikipedia.
 * What makes you believe Fitnr has a connection to forgotten-ny.com? He has AFAIK never added any links to it, while you have repeatedly added your link, even making it look like an official website (i.e. a community owned and operated site). Thomas.W talk 18:57, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Your username
Your account has been blocked from editing Wikipedia with this username. This is because your username, Bay Ridge, does not meet our username policy. '''Your username is the only reason for this block. You are welcome to choose a new username (see below) and continue editing.''' A username should not be promotional, related to a "real-world" group or organization, misleading, offensive or disruptive. Also, usernames may not end in the word "bot" unless the account is an approved bot account. You are encouraged to choose a new account name that meets our policy guidelines and create the account yourself. Alternatively, if you have already made edits and you wish to keep your existing contributions under a new name, then you may request a change in username by:
 * Adding on your user talk page. You should be able to do this even though you are blocked, as you can usually still edit your own talk page. If not, you may wish to contact the blocking administrator by clicking on "E-mail this user" on their talk page.
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 * Please note that you may only request a name that is not already in use, so please check here for a listing of already taken names. The account is created upon acceptance, thus do not try to create the new account before making the request for a name change. For more information, please see Changing username.

If you think that you were blocked in error, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Bishonen &#124; talk 18:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC). Your username seems to be related to a "real-world" group (such as a community) or organization, which is not allowed per our username policy. Note that, while your username is the only reason for this block, you have also been blocked for 24 hours for disruptive editing by NawlinWiki, see above. Bishonen &#124; talk 18:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC).


 * Also, if you continue to post insults and threats as in your unsigned note above, you'll soon have a real indefinite block. Bishonen &#124; talk 18:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC).

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia
Hi Bay Ridge. Please do change your username, per Bish's notice above. I work on "conflict of interest" issues in Wikipedia.

Thanks for disclosing above that you own the site, bayridge.net. Your ownership of that site creates a conflict of interest here in WP. As an editor here, you have a relationship with Wikipedia and its mission and a responsibility to edit according to that mission; your relationship with the bayridge.net creates an interest in promoting that website. These two interests appear to be in conflict, as no other editor here supports the use of your website as an external link. COI issues and how we deal with them, are explained in our COI guideline, which is here: WP:COI. I am providing you with formal notice of our guideline and the Terms of Use of Wikipedia.

Hello, Bay Ridge. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

All editors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view content policy. People who are very close to a subject often have a distorted view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. People with a close connection to a subject are not absolutely prohibited from editing about that subject, but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as little bias as possible.

If you are very close to a subject, here are some ways you can reduce the risk of problems:


 * Avoid or exercise great caution when editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with.
 * Avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Spam).
 * Exercise great caution so that you do not accidentally breach Wikipedia's content policies.

Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies. Note that Wikipedia's terms of use require disclosure of your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you.

Please do not try to directly add back your website as an external link, but try to get consensus from other editors to use it, on the article Talk page. If consensus goes against you, please follow the consensus. If you continue demanding the link be included and edit warring over it, you will likely be indefintely blocked. That would be a shame, as you have made some other good contributions to the article. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 18:59, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have stopped using the user name Bay Ridge since you say it is too close to the Wikipedia name. Are there going to be any external links on Bay Ridge, Brooklyn? I don't think it's fair to deprive Bay Ridge of links because someone, not me, decided to change the external links to suit themselves. Fitnr removed all the links except his own. You say you can't prove that so I wonder why he chose to leave only Forgotten NY as the only external link.


 * I really don't think it's such a big deal, that most people don't use the links, but I don't think it's fair that all the other neighborhoods (listed at the bottom of the Bay Ridge, Brooklyn page) have external links and most of them are .com webpages, Bay Ridge, Brooklyn can't.


 * I DID NOT start any editing war. Look at the history from the beginning of July and see who did. It was Fitnr who did by removing all links but one. All I did was revert his changes to the external links that have been there for years. He changed it back and so did I. Now I'm the one who was banned. I'm the one with no link to a page that I basically started or had much to do with as long as Wikipedia has been around.


 * I hope you guys are all proud of blaming someone (me) who did nothing except try to keep someone from spamming the external links section. Guess you've to blame someone right. I've lost respect for Wikipedia. I realize you can't get all good people doing volunteer work and sometimes you're going to get over zealous people, like Thomas W., who has nothing to do with and doesn't know a thing about Bay Ridge, Brooklyn.


 * I've owned bayridge.com going on 20 years next year, 5 more than Wikipedia has been around. I think if anyone has a right to have a link on Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, it should be me. Once again, Bay Ridge is not an official city, state or anything, it's just a local neighborhood with boundaries that have been argued over for decades. There is no bayridge.gov, because it is NOT an official locality.


 * I watched 60 minutes last week and you guys are nothing like the founder of Wikipedia intended it. So thanks for nothing and enjoy ruining Wikipedia in the years to come.bre (talk) 13:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I am sorry you are upset. You have made your points clear, here and elsewhere - please know that I and other people here (and we are people, like you) have heard you.  There are just several things wrong with what you are saying, when you look at some of the relevant policies and guidelines.  I think you are maybe too upset to talk about that now.  I would be happy to later, if you like.
 * With regard to the username thing -- the best thing to do is to change the name of this account, so that all of its history goes with it. You can do that here: Special:GlobalRenameRequest If you have already created a new account, please let us know what the new username is, please note on the Userpage of that account, that you used to edit under this one, and please stop using this one (except to reply to this). You can only use one account at a time, except for some special circumstances.  Thanks!  And again, I am sorry you are upset.  Jytdog (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok fine. Now for another matter. I was looking up a person who was running for may in 2013. His name is Tom Allon and that is the name of a person. On his External Links, he has only one and it is called Official Site, just like mine was called. It links to a newspaper called Manhattan Media that has on the first page of the web site 'Advertise with us.' Can you please tell me why this is allowed when you told me I couldn't say 'Official website' and I couldn't link to a site that was a business that has advertising? You can go back and see Thomas W's comment saying exactly that.

And I'm not like you and other people there. You can keep telling yourselves that to make yourselves feel better. I would never blame someone for something they didn't do and allow the real culprit (Fitnr) to get off scott free.

I expect you will remove Tom Allon's page since the content has nothing to do with the commercial newspaper. Don't you agree?

Since Thomas W. is NOT a moderator, as per Mediation Services, and he seems to have moderator friends that come to his aid when summoned, I don't see why I can't report violations as well. If not, maybe you can enlighten me why not. Thank you.bre (talk) 18:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi - I am here talking with you, primarily to deal with your conflict of interest, which includes your account name. I would be happy to talk about these other matters, once those are addressed. Can you please tell me what you are doing about your account name?  Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 19:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't intend to be doing any editing so no need to change my account name. I've had it for many years and don't intend to give it up because some other user (Fitnr) was spamming and caused me to be banned. As long as I am not editing Bay Ridge, Brooklyn there is no conflict. There are other pages I can edit besides Bay Ridge, Brooklyn that do not have the name Bay Ridge in it.bre (talk) 21:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. I hear you, that you want to keep the name. You really have two options.  To try to keep the exact same name, you need to appeal the block above - there are instructions in the block notice about how to do that.  It will be for an admin to decide... but they may not allow it since the problem with the user name is, what it is.  The other option, would to change it (using  Special:GlobalRenameRequest) to a name like "Bay Ridge Bre", which would probably be fine under our policy, as it is more clear the account holder is a single person and not a group of people. In any case, you are not going to be able edit anything until you get unblocked, so your next step is appeal or change the name.
 * OK, moving now to the COI issue. The COI stems from your ownership of the website bayridge.net. I don't know if you own others that were listed in the external links, like the brownstone one for example).   To manage the COI, there are just two things we ask you to do. The first is please clearly disclose the conflict - put something like: "I own the website bayridge.net" on your userpage User:Bay Ridge (and list any other relevant websites or businesses you own).  The second, is please don't add links to your website(s) in Wikipedia directly. Instead, please ask on the Talk page if other editors are OK with that (and when you do, tell them that you own it).  That provides a kind of peer review. Both things protect the integrity of Wikipedia, which is what we care about.  If you do those two things, there is no bar to you continuing to work even on the Bay Ridge, Brooklyn article.  If you will agree to do those two things, the COI stuff will be resolved.  What do you say?  Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 22:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

unblock effort
I own the domains, bayridge.com, bayridge.net, bayridge.info and a few others. They are privately owned by me and me alone for about 20 years, before there was a Wikipedia. I have had this user name since Wikipedia was started or close to it. I was part of the original editors for Bay Ridge, Brooklyn Wikipedia page. I think I deserve to keep a user name that has been mine for so many years. If keeping the name prevents me from editing the Bay Ridge, Brooklyn page, then so be it. Bay Ridge is NOT a city, town or borough, it is just a neighborhood of 130,000 people. No one has had a problem with me using Bay Ridge for a user name until a spammer (Fitnr) made changes to the page and caused admin to ban ME, not him.

I keep having correspondence with Wikipedia admin about this and not once have they said anything about the spammer (Fitnr) who started all this. Why not? It is easy to see what he did in the version history in early July 2015. He removed all external links except one, which I believe to be his own. I don't know if it is or not, but why would he do something like that? Just to spam? I think not. The external links have been there a long, long time untouched in the same order.

If that's the way Wikipedia operates, then fine, keep me banned and don't let me make edits. I show up on top of many search engines as it is without help from Wikipedia and always have. I do not need Wikipedia as another user (Thomas W) states to promote my web site bayridge.net. I have done very well keeping it on top of google and many other search engines and will continue to do so.

I have no problem stating bayridge.com and bayridge.net are privately owned and like millions of other sites do charge small fees for some advertising to cover server costs of keeping the sites up and running, just as Wikipedia asks for donations to keep it going. Every one does it. Let me know what you want me to do other than changing my user name and I will comply. Thank you. bre (talk) 00:25, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * well that didn't go well.  i didn't expect you to do all that arguing; you shot yourself in the foot there.  i thought you would just request an unblock with regard to your username, explaining why you should get to keep it.  (I don't know if you are paying attention but you have been under 2 blocks.  One of them was for 24 hours for your bad behavior; the other is indefinite and is for the username violation. That is the one you cannot get out from under now.  So that's it on keeping it.  The other option as I mentioned would be to use Special:GlobalRenameRequest) and change to a name like "Bay Ridge Bre".  You will do as you will there. Jytdog (talk) 02:40, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Arguing? Of course I'm arguing. Why did you only choose ME? Look at the edit history. Thomas W is just as guilty as I am. He made as many, if not more changes than I did to a page he has nothing to do with. He is JUST a user like me and I am the only one singled out here? Why wasn't/isn't he being penalized as well for spamming? Why won't you answer me every time I ask about others users involved in this.

I don't know all your rules. There are too many and they keep changing. I don't know what all the abbreviations are and I don't care to spend days learning them. I've been using it for many, many years and I'm sure there are millions and millions of pages on Wikipedia that have links to commercial sites. Usually when rules are changed the people that don't conform are left alone and new entries are enforced. Are you going to go through Wikipedia and check every single page for commercial links? Another question you refuse to answer. I've pointed out 2 so far and notice none of them have been changed.

Tom Allon is a newspaper publisher. The WIKIPEDIA page name is Tom Allon. He has a link to Manhattan Media which is in External Links as Official Website. When you go there it has advertising on the first page. Forgotten NY is a WIKIPEDIA page that links to a web site that sells pictures. On the first page of the web site, there is a link for GIFT SHOP. They sell things. These two are no different than what you are accusing me of. Why haven't they been removed and only mine? Another questoin you choose not to answer.

We are done with the name I guess. I'm not going to lie down like a good puppy for you. I've been around too long to do that. There are THREE questions I would like answers to since we are done with the user name and I guess I'm banned forever. Please answer them.

Why wasn't/isn't he (Thomas W) being penalized as well for spamming? Are you going to go through Wikipedia and check every single page for commercial links? Why haven't the WIKIPEDIA pages (Tom Allon and Forgotten NY))been removed? bre (talk) 13:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I am a plain old human being, like you. I am a volunteer here and I have what time I have.  I do intend to look at that other stuff, but the conversation with you, is the one I am in now.  You are not "banned forever" - you just need to tweak your username so that it reflects a single person and not a group of people.  I  have tried to help you and show you how to move forward.  None of this is personal - it is about the Wikipedia policies and guidelines that the community has put in place over the years. If you don't want to engage with the policies and guidelines (which you promise to do, every time you sign in, per the Terms of Use of Wikipedia), I don't know how to help you further, so I will sign off here.  Good luck to you. Jytdog (talk) 14:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

I thought I submitted a name change to Bay Ridge bre, but it doesn't seem to be here. Did it go through already? If not what did I do wrong then? bre (talk) 17:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)