User talk:Bazonka/Archive 6

new index
FYI: The indexerbot is working again...there is a new index at Talk:International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia/Archive index. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:47, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Manchester wikimeets
Hi Bazonka! It was good to meet you at the last Manchester wikimeet. The next one is scheduled for 17 September; I've set up a page on meta about it at meta:Meetup/Manchester - please sign up if you're coming. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:26, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Turnabout Island
Thanks for fixing my brain bubble in East China Sea. I meant the text to stay the same, but got distracted editing the red link. Glrx (talk) 17:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Geographical coordinates
Please don't over-simplify geographical coordinates by rounding them too aggressively, as you did in a few recent edits. Keep in mind that one tenth of a degree, in north-south direction, is still more than 10 km, so by rounding to a single digit after the comma, you risk being several kilometers off. For small places (villages etc.), coordinates need to be given with at least two digits after the comma, better three (so the marker can be placed reasonably exactly in the centre of a place); if given in terms of minutes and seconds of the arc, seconds should be used (an arcminute is about 2 km, an arcsecond is about 30 m.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. Thanks. Bazonka (talk) 22:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Organisation of the Islamic Conference
Category:Organisation of the Islamic Conference, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:55, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Colombia
in this page announce the colombian recognition of South Sudan http://www.cancilleria.gov.co/wps/portal/espanol/!ut/p/c1/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os_jQsKAwo2AXYwN_3yBTA6MwH7NAL1djI_dQE30_j_zcVP2CbEdFAIiEiFo!/dl2/d1/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnB3LzZfVVZSVjJTRDMwTzE4RjBJRTBOSFJJVTFHTDE!/?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/WCM_PRENSA/prensa/actualidad_/gobierno+de+colombia+saluda+la+independencia+de+sudan+del+sur1#inicio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.252.150.65 (talk) 23:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added it to the article. You could probably have done it yourself though; that's how Wikipedia works. Bazonka (talk) 08:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Recognition of South Sudan page
Why are they so obsessed with deleting the page? They act like they're paying for it out of their own pockets and their page budget is nearly empty. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 00:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm one of them as I just don't see the need for this article. I feel that it is a misguided attempt to jump on the International Recognition of Kosovo bandwagon, and there is really no comparison between the two - Kosovo is disputed and so it's definitely useful to document which side of the fence each country sits, but with South Sudan every country is going to recognise (or at least will not be opposed to its independence). All we're doing is documenting how efficient their foreign ministries and media outlets are, which I don't think is of much use to anyone. And because not all countries recognise in the same way, or with the same media fanfare, there is a risk that the list is incomplete and out-of-date. Bazonka (talk) 09:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Opposition
I do not see why you are opposing my efforts in creating a structured way to handle recognition articles. -- とある白い猫 chi? 21:52, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I see that you have tried to delete the South Sudan article. I am beginning to feel the reason for your opposition has nothing to do with my days of hard work. -- とある白い猫 chi? 21:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if you feel that I'm picking on you. I'm not; this isn't personal. I just don't agree with all of your suggestions. That's how Wikipedia works. Spending a lot of time on something doesn't necessarily make it a worthwhile pursuit.
 * As you can see from the thread above, yes I have questioned the need for the International recognition of South Sudan article, and I did participate in the AfD discussion to that effect (which isn't quite the same thing as "trying to delete" it). Whilst this AfD didn't go the way I wanted it to, I still want the article to be of the best quality. Sorry, but for reasons I have explained elsewhere, I don't think that your proposals always help achieve this. Bazonka (talk) 23:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It does feel kind of awkward when the person that does not "see a need for the article" also does not see a need for template use in the same article. This isn't a "feeling", it is just how it looks on my end. In the past I have encountered people who intentionally sabotaged progress in articles only to seek to get the said articles deleted later on. Please do not take this personally as this had been a frequent experience for me. I am not saying you are like this - it is just that this is the kind of stuff that was most frustrating.
 * When someone puts days of work into something they of course expect their work to be properly reviewed and not dismissed on first sight. Honestly I was expecting something like "it looks OK but has a few problems" rather than a full fledged opposition. I am willing to compromise, you are not. That is how things are conducted on Wikipedia normally where compromise is the norm.
 * -- とある白い猫 chi? 12:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You know, it is not fair. You have not done anything to me and I am feeling quite guilty for perhaps being unreasonable. I merely want to improve such articles. I believe my template proposal would be a useful addition to Wikipedia. It is hardly perfect but with your help it would be a better refined before a site-wide adoption perhaps. -- とある白い猫 chi? 22:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There are a few things to consider here. Firstly, should the International recognition of South Sudan article exist at all? I have my doubts as to its need, since recognition is largely a formality, and all countries have already de facto recognised South Sudan. But it looks as though it is going to stay, at least for the time being. So, second point: do I want to hinder improvement to the article and get it deleted? Certainly not - I'm not into that sort of machiavellian scheme that you've encountered before. I'd much rather see a good quality unnecessary article than a poor quality one. But having said that, if it is going to be deleted, then I wouldn't want people wasting their time over it.
 * I have absolutely no problem with anything that makes editing articles easier, so in principle I am not against your table. But we must remember that the readability of an article is of greater importance than editability. This is where my problem lay - I felt that your table was unclear and took the focus away from the main theme of the article. You'll be happy to know that your new flaggy version is much better. I'll write more comments on the specifics of this on the relevant Talk page (but not yet - other things to do).
 * Regards, Bazonka (talk) 07:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am very pleased that you liked it. I would be happy to address any concerns you may have about the structure to make it as easy as possible for the reader. My goal is to create the template structure for general use on Wikipedia and not just for the South Sudan article. Articles like List of diplomatic missions of France could certainly use such a structured table (with a few modifications) to display why is it more significant for France to have an Embassy in Brussels than an Embassy in Peru (for instance as you might know France has 3 diplomatic missions (that I know of) in Brussels - one for regular diplomatic contact, one for NATO HQ, one for European Commission (EU)). This is more the reason to make the structure easier to follow even more.
 * I am working on making the code for the templates easier to follow. You can compare Recognition of Country/Template/FRA and Recognition of Country/Template/France if you like to see the difference. This change will not influence the actual look of the table itself but it will make it possible to pick organizations to show and others to hide. This will allow the possibility to hide irrelevant organizations when needed. As a result though the table may look like a mess when it is time to flip from one template style to the other.
 * -- とある白い猫 chi? 20:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Non-sovereign territories templates
Non-sovereign territories templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 20:53, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I have voted to delete. Bazonka (talk) 21:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

File:Prevailing world religions map.png
Dear user Bazonka,

Could this world religious map be retouched so that South Sudan is shown to be Christian (Catholic or Protestant) and "other"--as in African tribal religions. This map for South Sudan is more accurate here for the religious situation in South Sudan although its not accurate for other parts of Africa like West Africa. South Sudan would be a striped area in the wiki map then for 2 or more religions--but definitely not Islam. What do you think? Just curious. I am not familiar with adjusting maps but you seem to be. Maybe you can help a little with updating it for South Sudan. Best Regards from Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Done it. That was fun!
 * I gave it stripes for Catholicism and natural religion. I decided not to add protestant stripes - no other country is marked as having three prevailing religions. If you think that perhaps I should replace the Catholic stripes with Protestant ones, then please let me know.
 * Regards, Bazonka (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Doh! What a fool I was not to see that "nature" was natural African tribal religions here. I thought it fell under 'other' but that's OK. Thank you again for your kind help. No one has the correct statistics for South Sudan right now but I believe it has more Tribal religions than Christians...but with all these Christian missionaries, its possible that the Christian portion will grow one day. All I know is that the Catholic and Anglican church are the main Christian religions practised there. Well, Catholic and Tribal Religion is fine. Best Regards from Metro Vancouver, Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 00:09, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Pakistan Azerbaijan Locator.svg
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 * Oops, I forgot that one. Now fixed. Bazonka (talk) 07:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Re:Red Sea
I've left a response there. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 17:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Japan USA Locator.svg
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 * Gah! It was only a matter of time... Bazonka (talk) 21:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Bering Sea "Donut hole"
1. The editor who added that sentence has not edited since 2009. 2. I have wondered about the phrase myself. A Google search confirms that it refers to a section of international water in the west-central Bering sea. Prior to 1994, this area was heavily overfished, and a 1994 treaty came too late - the fishery has not recovered in the intervening years. 3. Tho there is a lot of information but there are not a lot of unambiguously reliable sources, so i have not put anything in the article yet. 4. You're welcome to take a shot at writing up a section.Dankarl (talk) 22:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have reworded the sentence and added a reference. Bazonka (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

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Bazonka, sorry to say, but it should be Yugoslav, not Yugoslavian which is often wrongly used. FkpCascais (talk) 10:56, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. Fixed now. Bazonka (talk) 10:59, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. FkpCascais (talk) 11:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Mexico
Did Mexico recognise S. Sudan? The map indicates this but no reference does. Just curious that's all. Most Central American and Caribbean states have not acted at all. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 18:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Mexico is in the list with this reference: . It does not specifically refer to recognition, but it is fairly clear that that's what they've done. See also Talk:International recognition of South Sudan. Bazonka (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I see now. So that is why Mexico is not included in the table. Correction: Mexico is in the table now. When I last checked on August 10, Mexico wasn't there. But that's OK. --Leoboudv (talk) 23:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

On the subjectivity of 'Relevance'
Mr. Bazonka, you have repeatedly and arbitratily reverted my contributions on the following article based solely on your concept of "relevance". Would you care for explaining what do you mean by "relevant" and why would such references as the "most populated landlocked country", "largest country in Southeastern Europe" and "smallest republic in the world" be more "relevant" than "the largest/smallest Portuguese-speaking country"? Would you mind telling me and the other 236.1 million Portuguese native speakers why are our community and heritage "hardly relevant" in your understanding?

Thank you in advance. - Popotão (talk) 19:39, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Twice is not exactly "repeatedly". I think that a number of the notes in the article are unnecessary, but yours seemed excessively so. Remember that the article is about geographical land area, therefore notes relating to the countries' locations e.g. "largest country in Southeastern Europe" seem relevant. "Largest country in the Arab world" is less so, although you could argue that the Arab world is a contiguous unit, and so sort of a geographical area. It's not quite the same as the Portuguese-speaking countries, which are dispersed across the globe. There needs to be some limit to what we do and don't include - where should we draw the line? "Largest Indonesian speaking country" or "Smallest country with a McDonald's"? I have nothing against Portugal or the Portuguese language. Bazonka (talk) 20:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Advice
I posted a new proposal at the bottom of Talk:International recognition of South Sudan. Was wondering if you had any thoughts on it...?  Night w   01:19, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have commented. Thanks. Bazonka (talk) 06:07, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Maps
Thanks for creating all those new locator maps for the Foreign relations of Pakistan articles. Your contributions are much appreciated. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 11:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, thanks! Bazonka (talk) 20:52, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you also do the same for File:India Afghanistan Locator.png, which is currently missing South Sudan, and if possible, colour code Afghanistan in green and India in orange (so as to meet the geographical arrangement when put under the flags). You don't have to off course...it's just that I'm not sure how to edit these maps. Mar4d (talk) 03:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I've done that one. I'm working my way through the USA maps at the moment. When I've finished, I'll start working on all of the other India maps. It might be a while before I get to it though - I'm busy doing other things. Bazonka (talk) 07:22, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks for that. Can I ask you a question by the way - what software/application do people use to edit these maps? Mar4d (talk) 08:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm using Inkscape - you can download it free of charge. Bazonka (talk) 15:01, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

File source problem with File:USA Uruguay Locator.svg
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 * I've taken a standard svg Wikipedia map of countries (File:BlankMap-World6, compact.svg), and coloured in a couple of polygons. What else am I supposed to do? Bazonka (talk) 20:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Just say where you got the image. Eeekster (talk) 20:46, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did. From Wikipedia: . If I am supposed to state this when I upload the image, then please tell me how. Am I supposed to mention it in the summary? Bazonka (talk) 20:59, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If you use the upload wizard, you'll be asked for the source. Directly uploading is only for those that know what they are doing. Eeekster (talk) 21:02, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not appreciate your tone. Bazonka (talk) 21:03, 23 August 2011 (UTC)