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Proposed deletion of D.C. Hicks


The article D.C. Hicks has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. TheLongTone (talk) 14:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

How does References work?
I am writing a short bio about my sister and her newly published book. I've added a reference link to her to her book on Amazon. I've also tried to keep this very simple to verifiable information, but don't know how to reference. I've read through the help sections, but still don't really understand what I need. Public records: birth certificate, marriage license, school transcripts could verify all the dates and details I've listed. Please advise. Thanks so much! Bcray1 (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)BCray1


 * I am sorry to be discouraging, but Wikipedia is not a site for people to write about their friends and family, for reasons explained at Wikipedia is not about YOU and WP:Conflict of interest.


 * As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is selective about subjects for articles; the general criterion is called WP:Notability, and is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people independent of the subject thought it significant enough to write substantial comment about?


 * The notability requirements are explained in more detail at WP:Notability (people), particularly the section WP:AUTHOR, and WP:Notability (books).


 * I have therefore proposed your article for deletion - formal notice below. Please do not be discouraged; the links in the Welcome message will tell you more about Wikipedia, and I hope you will continue to contribute, but for this particular article about your siister, somewhere like Myspace or Facebook would be more appropriate.


 * Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you JohnCD. I understand. I guess I should've further explained, that while I'm her sister and know her facts, I'm also her editor and acting publicist. I've added plenty on Facebook and feedback some recent reviewers have suggested was a bio on Wiki or elsewhere... This is a brand new novel and probably does not yet meet Wikipedia's standard of notability. However, she is receiving some very amazing reviews on this book. We have a pending newspaper article and radio interview coming up. Maybe it would make more sense to wait until we have more publicity elsewhere. In the meantime, would it be inappropriate to cite some of the book reviews on her page until the deletion. Thank you and thank you for your feedback. Bcray1 (talk) 15:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)BCray1
 * They would only be sutible in the section of the article about the book, but I think you can edit the page during the AfD process. Mdann52 (talk) 15:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid being your sister's editor and publicist makes things worse, not better: Wikipedia is very resistant to being used for any kind of promotion, see Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion and Conflict of interest. Yes, you can continue to edit the article. As general advice about references, they need to be something that, in principle, could be checked and should give enough detail to let the interested enquirer make the check. For notability, references need to be independent (i.e. not from publisher or agent or press-releases) and from a "reliable source" - see WP:RS - basically, something with a degree of editorial control and fact-checking, so not Amazon reviews or Youtube. JohnCD (talk) 23:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of D.C. Hicks


The article D.C. Hicks has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * there is no indication that this author of a newly self-published book, or her book, meet the notability standard of WP:AUTHOR or WP:Notability (books).

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JohnCD (talk) 15:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)