User talk:BeLucky/2024/June

Pope Francis and World government
@BeLucky, thank you for looking at my edit of the article on World government in regard to the comments of Pope Francis. I note your suggestion that the article on World Federalism would be better suited to my edit, but I am respectfully inclined to disagree with you. Francis' comments relate to the strengths and weaknesses of "world organizations" (unnamed, but I take his words to refer to the United Nations and its agencies) and to the possibility of a "world authority", where he warns against the dangers of concentrated powers. He does not mention "world federalism", and the World Federalism article itself distinguishes "the existing United Nations" and "a unitary world government" as outside its own scope. In my view the coverage of Pope Francis's observations on this subject do belong within the World government article, whether at the point where I previously located it or elsewhere. - BobKilcoyne (talk) 06:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @BobKilcoyne If that's the case let me suggest you some more options, see if they fits for the Pope's words: Global governance (as Pope used the words 'global', 'authority' and talking about reform ('more effective') of existing system)., Reform of the United Nations.
 * The document you cited clearly mentions:
 * 172. The twenty-first century “is witnessing a weakening of the power of nation states, chiefly because the economic and financial sectors, being transnational, tend to prevail over the political. Given this situation, it is essential to devise stronger and more efficiently organized international institutions, with functionaries who are appointed fairly by agreement among national governments, and empowered to impose sanctions”. [149 ] When we talk about the possibility of some form of world authority regulated by law, [150 ] we need not necessarily think of a personal authority. Still, such an authority ought at least to promote more effective world organizations, equipped with the power to provide for the global common good, the elimination of hunger and poverty and the sure defence of fundamental human rights.
 * 173. In this regard, I would also note the need for a reform of “the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth”. [151 ] Needless to say, this calls for clear legal limits to avoid power being co-opted only by a few countries and to prevent cultural impositions or a restriction of the basic freedoms of weaker nations on the basis of ideological differences. For “the international community is a juridical community founded on the sovereignty of each member state, without bonds of subordination that deny or limit its independence”. [152 ] At the same time, “the work of the United Nations, according to the principles set forth in the Preamble and the first Articles of its founding Charter, can be seen as the development and promotion of the rule of law, based on the realization that justice is an essential condition for achieving the ideal of universal fraternity… There is a need to ensure the uncontested rule of law and tireless recourse to negotiation, mediation and arbitration, as proposed by the Charter of the United Nations, which constitutes truly a fundamental juridical norm”. [153 ] There is need to prevent this Organization from being delegitimized, since its problems and shortcomings are capable of being jointly addressed and resolved.
 * Thanks for reaching out and having proper conversation. Hope this helps. Regards. --BeLucky (talk) 08:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll have a look at the alternative articles you have suggested. BobKilcoyne (talk) 05:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)