User talk:Be Black Hole Sun/archive2

Articles i've worked my ass off on Articles i'm goin to clean up or expand
 * Waking Up the Neighbours
 * Mark Lanegan
 * Mark Lanegan discography
 * Queens of the Stone Age discography
 * List of Soundgarden awards Really much help from -5-
 * List of rulers of Italy in the period 476–773
 * Screaming Trees
 * Stone Temple Pilots and their discography.
 * List of Byzantine Emperors
 * Judas Priest discography
 * Def Leppard discography
 * Chris Cornell discography


 * Audioslave discography
 * Pink Floyd discography
 * Led Zeppelin discography
 * The Gutter Twins
 * Angel Heart
 * List of presidents of the Russian Federation

Current Featured List nominations
 * List of Roman Emperors
 * List of Presidents of the Russian Federation
 * Europe discography
 * Josh Homme discography
 * List of Bryan Adams awards

Why undoing my work on Springsteen discography
Please see my comment in Talk:Bruce Springsteen discography about your undoing of some of my work. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

See Talk again ... please show me the FL guideline or discussion that says that there has to be a "—", and that it's not permitted to distinguish between "no release" and "release but did not chart". These are two very different things! Wasted Time R (talk) 12:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Renaming templates
Please don't move templates from Template space to article space. In the first place, it's wrong, and in the second place, you're messing up redirects, you've got double redirects going on. Corvus cornix talk  21:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Unblocking
Hi. After your note on my talk page, I took a glance at your userpage and discovered that you have evidently been formerly blocked for sock puppetry. As near as I can tell, you were blocked as recently as June 18th, as, about a week before you created this account. I don't see any sign that you've communicated with the administrator who blocked you, User:Rudget, as required by the blocking policy. Did you discuss the matter with Rudget? His note here suggests that he would have required persuasive reasoning. If you were able to satisfy his concerns, a link to his agreement to your unblocking would be sufficient to alleviate my concerns. Otherwise, as Rudget is on Wikibreak and may not be easily contacted, it might be necessary to take the matter to the administrator's noticeboard to determine if it is appropriate that your block be lifted. Simply returning to editing is inappropriate, although I appreciate from the notice on your userpage that you are evidently operating in good faith. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you don't know how to do. :) Bring the matter up at the administrator's noticeboard? The first question is whether or not you've talked to the administrator who blocked you. Have you done so? If not, I may be able to help you address the matter at the administrator's noticeboard. I would first check, though, if the administrator who blocked you cares to weigh in notwithstanding his break. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Good enough. :) Thanks for clearing that up. I'm going to add a link to that in the box on your userpage so that it's clear that you have permission from the blocking admin. And, again, good luck with your Wikiproject. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject
Thanks, but I'm currently volunteering at the copyrights problem board, which eats up the majority of my on-wiki time. I'm also often involved at WP:Album. But if I find myself with more free time on my hands, I may wander over and see what your project is up to. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Rock
That's funny... I thought I had signed up earlier (I still have that userbox on my userpage...). Anyways, it's official now.

Some questions about this project:
 * Is WikiProject Metal completely separate from this project, or is this considered a "parent" project? I noticed a lack a featured metal articles on the WikiProject Rock page (although there are some featured metal discographies).
 * How does an article get to be on the list of featured articles/lists on the WikiProject Rock page? I noticed there weren't a whole lot of featured lists (where's list of U2 awards or list of Nine Inch Nails live-band members)?
 * Who should I speak with to get that odd hyphen out of list of Nine Inch Nails live-band members? That's been bugging me for a while, as there doesn't seem to be a good reason for a hyphen there?

Yup... I'm full of questions. Xnux  the   Echidna  13:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Pardon my interjection, but I'm still watching this page. :) With regards to the last, you move it. This has evidently been questioned before. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Your talk page. :) When I leave a message for someone, I watchlist their page for a while. As the header at the top of my talk page notes, I generally keep conversations in one location. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lostprophets' fourth studio album
Albums aren't usually considered notable until a title, track listing, and release date are known. This article had a proposed deletion here. I had a small discussion with the user that proposed the deletion. The result was keep the page intact, but turn it into a redirect to the Lostprophets page where information was available until a title, track listing, and release date were released. Fezmar9 (talk) 20:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Wellwater Conspiracy is alternative rock
Please take a look at their allmusic page if you don't believe they are alternative rock. Alternative rock bands can take a variety of influences. Wellwater Conspiracy is an alternative rock band that takes as its influences garage rock and psychedelia. You may not know the definition of the word "specific", but alternative rock is definately more specific than just "rock." Why must you always start trouble? Please don't answer me back. I don't need to see your user name on my talk page any more than it currently is.-5- (talk) 23:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Talkheader not necessary
Just wanted to leave a quick note that the talkheader banner should really only be used on pages where it's needed - where there is a lot of discussion and/or a heated debate. Articles like Talk:The Dicks probably don't need it. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

SOMMS
The SOMMS album cover is actually the Badmotorfinger album cover. When Badmotorfinger/SOMMS was released, SOMMS was just included as a second disc. That link that you provided that says it's the SOMMS album cover actually looks to be the SOMMS promo postcard, which can be found here.-5- (talk) 23:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Money Chart Listing
Hi, in the Pink Floyd discography, How come you have "Money" listed as hitting #13 on the UK Singles Chart. It never charted there. The song hit #13 in the US. See |FLOYD&sql=11:wbfyxqt5ldse~T51 here and here. Where's your source that it charted in the UK? Note that "Billboard Pop Singles" and "Billboard Hot 100" are two different names for the same thing. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 01:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing that, but I would also like to know where your sources is for "Wish You Were Here" and "Comfortably Numb"'s UK Chart Peaks came from. From what I know, after "Point Me to the Sky" and until "Another Brick in the Wall, Part II", Pink Floyd did not release any singles in the UK. I also believe the "Us and Them" chart peak is from the US from what i'm seeing from previous revisions. For the longest time, this discography only had three spaces - US, UK, US Mainstream Rock and when it was changed to the worldwide chart, maybe a couple chart peaks got confused. I do like what you've done to the page, however. It looks alot better than it did before. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 14:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but on That very site's introduction page, it mentions that the "§" symbol by both "Comfortably Numb" and "Wish You Were Here" signifies a placement on the download chart. Would you make a footnote to mention that this chart peak comes from that chart, and in 2005 - several years after the releases of both singles?. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 14:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Bryan Adams
Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Dl2000 (talk) 03:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Velvet Revolver discography
Well I think my edits made the article much neater. Also, B-sides should be on discographies, that's why they are a parameter in the discography template! Andre666 (talk) 14:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Oasis discography
Why the hell have you put "has way to[o] many problems" when defining its class? What is your problem? The list is fine, in fact it is very good compared to some; the tables are tidy, the information is deep... what is the problem with it? Andre666 (talk) 14:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Judas Priest discography
I will make a big cleanup on this, be prepared for anything! Cannibaloki 20:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind invite, but I'm not much of a joiner here and don't do much anymore with music pages, as I usually only do anti-vand edits to them. Appreciate the gesture though! Kresock (talk) 22:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

rokc project invitation
thanx for inviteing me. I think I will join, though I probably won't be too active, and in a way my wikiing is often in the direction of what the project is doing anyway :) Donny (talk) 11:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Josh Hom m er Simpson discography
No, my stress has gone. Cannibaloki 17:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * RE/Re/re = Reply. Cannibaloki  18:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. BBHS
Hello. First of all, thanks for the invitation to the wikiproject, i am going to say yes. About the Bryan Adams discography, in the Grammy section, you wrote "nomination" instead of "nominations", and Let's Make a Night To Remember was a nominee in the Pop Field and in the Rock Field the nomination went for "The Only Thing That Look Good On Me Is You".

Thanks once again, Jaespinoza (talk) 22:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I am talking about the List of Bryan Adams awards

Answer
"Rock and roll" seemed pretty redundant to "rock". WesleyDodds (talk) 02:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

List of #1 Modern Rock Hits
Could you please change the WikiProject Rock template on all the List of #1 Modern Rock Hits by year to the Alternative template? Modern Rock is simply another term that basically translates into "Alternative rock". Not "rock". Thank you. NSR 77 T C  01:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Bryan Adams Discography and other credits
Hi, thanks for the note, I think you should put the information back in that you edited out, or find a way to put it in the discography as it's all valuable and very comprehensive information. Michelle1 (talk) 05:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

FLC
Sorry I could not respond to the FLC as the FLC director closed it due to grammatical errors. Like he said, you should open a peer review for it so the next time it can pass. :) Best, -- S R X  16:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed I did. It was in poor shape.  Also, for your directors question, you need to reference all videos otherwise the list is incomplete and not 100% referenced.  If you can't do it then I suggest you request the list be withdrawn.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case I shall look into delisting it. For a list to be complete it needs to be complete and referenced.  Simple. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I bet you Beatles references are easy to find, but not on the internet. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Bryan Adams awards
I'll take a look sometime soon. Please tell me when it's an urgent thing. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  20:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting hit by a bad storm I will continue later. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  21:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Was there any specific sentences the reviewer pointed out that should be fixed? or was it mainly fixed after you completed the suggestions? I can't pinpoint what else needs to be done. And thank you. :) − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  22:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * For a list, it has relatively a short list of references, is there a possibility of adding more refs?-- S R X  13:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I see no difference, what I mean was that the article only has 13 references, and for a list of this nature more refs should be used. Also, in some double references, you need to put them in order. For example, in one of them it is as followed [13][9] when it should be [9][13] -- S R X  14:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Forget about it, it's nothing major as the info is verifiable. S R X  15:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I would help with the discography page but I'm going to leave to go on a last minute "mini-vacation" for a few days. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  15:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I finished the discography cleanup for him but I have one question: "and was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Song" - did he win or was he just nominated? − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  20:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look later. I'm a bit busy with things at the moment for that kind of job. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  17:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, all I can say to that is I was so deadset on reverting the guy that I completely forgot about the three-revert rule. Although I was in the right, I forgot the most important thing, and that is not to break the three-revert rule and to edit war. It's also a one-time thing for me so I set it past me. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  17:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Rock music WikiProject
Good day! Thanks for that invite! But I am not really about to join, cause I am not sure about my future activities on wikipedia. But I'll keep my eye on it! However, I would appreciate and welcome your comments on Peer review/Meshuggah/archive1. Thank you. --  LYKANTROP    ✉  20:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

BA introduction
is that your edit from the intro page? if so, sorry if we are back and forthing on that! if it is yours, you are repeating information that happens in the next paragraph, and also, adding words like "decline" are subjective, since BA had a number one album this year with "11" in many countries around the world, that isn't exactly a decline. Michelle1 (talk) 22:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I would prefer if YOU fixed the introduction and kept it about things that aren't repeated in the next paragraph. also i can give you TONS of info on the 18 til i die tour, but you need to fix this first. I personally think my intro is great as it sets up the article, but i'm open to your suggestions. Michelle1 (talk) 00:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

hey, i think all the grammy information isn't relevant in the introduction of this page, can you reduce that? Did you see i added information to the 18 section?Michelle1 (talk) 02:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

August 2008
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Fair Deal (talk) 16:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Adams' awards
Sorry BBHS but there's so much to be done here, the Juno, Golden Globe, Academy Awards are all missing, the references are inadequate, the grammar is still poor - I'm going to withdraw the nomination again. Please, please take this list to peer review, be patient, there's no rush. And come back when everything's fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got something against searchable databases? Yes, the references to a search engine are not specific.  As for peer review not knowing what they're doing, not true.  You don't give them time.  There's no rush to get these lists promoted and if you nominate poor and incomplete lists I will quick-fail them.  Just look at the volume of comments each of your FLCs gets - a sign that they're not ready for nomination, let alone promotion.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well when you take it to peer review, perhaps consider asking someone from the FL community (besides me) to review it as well. FLC is not peer review, I don't know how many times I have to say it.  When you bring a list there it has to be up to scratch.  Searchable database is not good enough.  Secondary sources are what you need, so newspaper reports, BBC, MTV etc to report on those Juno awards.  Also you're still missing the Academy Award nominations and the Golden Globe reference is not specific.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Online newspaper sources. Anyway, if the list is incomplete, it's not ready.  How you get it there is up to you and your esteemed colleagues at the various music projects.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Europe discography
"Tell me what i should fix to make it ready for FL status, i won't withdraw the list if thats what your worried about, i'll do them, but then you should tell me what i should fix."

Ask for The Rambling Man if he lets that I work on this discography to help you, because I will not tell you what you must do to improve. Regards, Cannibaloki  18:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't understand. Cannibaloki  18:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Leave this... I have problem on express me. Sorry :/ Cannibaloki  19:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Block
WHat the hell are you talking about, i stopped yesterday, i replaced the allmusic with other sources, to stop the edit war and i replaced the lead, Michelle said i should write a better lead, which i did. What does a hidden comment, they do the same on the Paramore, Lostprophets and Linkin Park page, and you shouldn't replace genres which has sources with an unsources genre should you. Consensus, what the hell, when you have a reliable source, you don't need consensus, thats plain stupid. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You can post another unblock notice if you want, and you can email Michelle. However, you have been edit warring, so I won't unblock. PhilKnight (talk) 13:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes i was edit warring yesterday, but i was blocked today cause the user thought i continoued, which i didn't do. Thats why i should be unblocked. He didn't block me cause of the edit war rule about three and you get blocked, he didn't block me cause of that, but he blocked cause he thought i started again today, i replaced and didn't edit war, and i tried to do the best for the ecyclopedia. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 14:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Genres
Just a word of advice. Ignore most changes to the genres in the infobox. I know it's annoying to leave something that may be wrong but focus your efforts on expanding an article - don't get bogged down in the minutiae. Just a hint. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 14:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Lostprophets singles
Let's straighten this out. I don't know what's given you other ideas, but the songs "We Are Godzilla, You Are Japan" and "I Don't Know" are not, and never were, singles. So they should not have their own articles, or be in the discography or infobox. U-Mos (talk) 21:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...
Thanks for your support. Now the List of number-one Billboard Top Latin Albums of 1999 is a Featured List.

Once again, thank you, Jaespinoza (talk) 20:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. :) --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia
Hi there, recently you reformatted the WikiProject Russia front page. Whilst this was clearly an improvement over the previous version, it removed a lot of content which is required by the project. As the design clearly is an improvement, albeit, it has been reverted wholesale (not something I agree with), would you be able to edit your design by including the content that was removed; either by placing back on that page or by placing on relevant subpages; and re-introduce the style which is all-inclusive of removed content. Cheers --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 04:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Being nice
Did you have to write this ? You should read WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA and adjust your attitude accordingly. Kevin (talk) 11:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And this edit summary is also unacceptable. Consider this your final warning. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Saying "FUCK YOU" or "I FUCKING HATE YOU" in edit summaries is unacceptable. Continuing to do so will result in your account being blocked once again. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you mean when you say "brazzes" I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean "braces". Close... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you were - the c in braces is said like an s so with your zz you were very close. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Talkback
Replied at my talk. Washburn mav (talk) 14:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:RUSSIA
Please take a look at the before and after versions of the project main page, there were a whole slew of useful links that were removed. It should be fairly obvious which ones were removed in the process, but if you really want I suppose I could list it out at the project's talk page. Cirt (talk) 15:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a list of things to the project talk page that you removed from the project's Main Page with zero discussion about any of the changes. Perhaps we might be able to work with this, but I really wish you would have brought it to discussion first before removing so many useful things from the Project Main Page and making so many drastic changes. (I could understand if some of the things you had removed had been inactive pages, but that seems not to be the case). Cirt (talk) 15:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries, it was just jarring and yes I think it would have been best for you to discuss such major changes first. Don't worry about it, I will help with making the changes. Cirt (talk) 15:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please take a short break and give me a moment to work on the project page and then reassess? Cirt (talk) 16:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, well please just give me some time and then we can discuss. Cirt (talk) 16:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, sorry about being a bit brash about this whole thing earlier - I want you to know I really do appreciate the changes you've made. I was able to integrate some of the things from the older version and I think that the main page of WP:RUSSIA looks really really good now. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 16:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Example link
Example link at the bottom of the page? I do not quite know what you are referring to. Cirt (talk) 16:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * - that must have been a mistake, yea no prob with removing that. Cirt (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries
I noticed that most of the time you do not use an edit summary. Could you please use edit summaries? It is quite helpful when doing collaborative work on something to see notes about what is going on in the edit history. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)