User talk:BeanieFan11/Archive 5

Proposed deletion of 1915 Biddle football team


The article 1915 Biddle football team has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "No evidence of notability for this one game 'season'."

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Notability guideline for sports
The notability quideline for sports (Notability (sports)) has recently been revised. Having played in a certain number of NFL games is no longer enough to confer notability (in the Wikipedia sense) on a person. The "basic criteria" of that notability guideline states; - Donald Albury 17:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Which is why I showed you SIGCOV in my removal of the PROD. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I cannot access nor copy links in the edit summary window. Could you copy them onto Talk:Doug Woodlief so that I could look at them? - Donald Albury 18:28, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Comments on talk page in a WikiProject
I made a important comment on the talk page of WikiProject American football, and I would like your comments along with others in the project if you can contact them if possible. Sportsfangnome (talk) 05:08, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Benny Lefebvre
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Your GA nomination of Benny Lefebvre
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Nomination of 1915 Biddle football team for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 1915 Biddle football team is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/1915 Biddle football team until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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DYK for Henry Janzen
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Help on potential GA
If you can check these out, I already made the nominations but I would like for your approval since I am not notable enough.


 * Early history of American football
 * Bugs Bunny
 * 2020 NFL season

Sportsfangnome (talk) 23:08, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you mean by I would like for your approval since I am not notable enough? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * From User:BlueMoonset: "You have three other GA nominations: Early history of American football, Bugs Bunny, and 2020 NFL season. As these are up to a month old and would lose seniority if reverted, if you wish to continue these nominations, you can start the consultation on them (or those you still wish to pursue) now. Best of luck with them going forward." Sportsfangnome (talk) 23:14, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * He also said, " If you wish to pursue any of these three nominations, you'll first need to do the consultation, and once people have had a chance to respond (seven days is standard), if a consensus agrees that a particular article is ready to go (meets or is very close to meeting the GA criteria), then you're welcome to renominate it." Sportsfangnome (talk) 23:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you should maybe start a discussion about the GA noms at Talk:Bugs Bunny (for Bugs Bunny) and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League (for the other two). BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:22, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok Sportsfangnome (talk) 23:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks Sportsfangnome (talk) 23:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * And if possible, please PLEASE, mark all notifications as read. Sportsfangnome (talk) 23:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I am B E G G I N G of you. Sportsfangnome (talk) 23:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Um, ok. (Are you referring to the notifications at the top right of the screen, next to a person's username when logged in?) BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:35, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Jim Dillard (gridiron football)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Mario Fiorentini
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

PROD removals
Hello BeanieFan11. I wanted to let you know that your removal of PRODs and Notability tags from articles may slow down the deletion process. I also want you to know that some of the minor newspaper clippings you seem to be citing as reasons for PROD removal might not satisfy WP:GNG. You could also try to present a meaningful amount of significant reliable sources (the sources in your edit summaries at Ron Chiodi and Peter Thorndike seemed less than significant) and/or update the article to reflect the contents of those sources. I recommend you take a look at WP:DEPROD and, while it's not required, you could notify the user who added the PROD with. Thanks. Nythar T . C 00:42, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Mind explaining how a 20+ paragraph article in one of the top 65 largest newspapers in the US is a "less than significant" piece from a "minor newspaper"? And tell me, how does 20+ paragraphs in such a newspaper not "address the topic directly and in detail" (the definition of SIGCOV)? About the notability tag removals earlier today, I was going through the American football players with taggings and was only removing it from the ones who were clearly notable (as well as a few from other sportspeople who were recently determined notable at AFD, thus making the tags inapplicable). I'll try to message people with the when I remove PROD. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:05, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Do I mind explaining how 20 paragraphs are less than significant? Hmm... take a look at the website. Do those look like paragraphs to you? Or do they resemble sentences? Also, "one of the top 65 largest newspapers in the US" -- oh come on, are you going to make a Wikipedia article for everyone with an article in that newspaper? Now, try to picture the number of people the top 65 newspapers in the US have articles about. Thousands? Tens of thousands? What I mean to say is, having an article in a newspaper doesn't mean they deserve Wikipedia articles. Both Olympians I mentioned above haven't won medals in the Olympics; one ranked 31 and the other 27.
 * And what you said to me here: Articles for deletion/Mark Ecker -- doesn't seem to be helping. Nythar T . C 01:19, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've worked on a lot of wikipedia articles and have been in a lot of deletion discussions, and I can tell you that articles of that depth in major newspapers do count as SIGCOV (to answer your question, are you going to make a Wikipedia article for everyone with an article in that newspaper, I think that if the person has an in-depth article from a paper like that, and then a second from another paper (to satisfy GNG's requirements of multiple sources), then yes, we should have an article on him/her). And results in the Olympics are completely irrelevant nowadays when determining notability, even being a medalist (sadly) sometimes won't be enough for an article when the person has no coverage. Also, what do you mean by And what you said to me here: Articles for deletion/Mark Ecker -- doesn't seem to be helping? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Please answer my first point on your apparently mistaken paragraph number exaggeration. Also, what I meant was "It wasn't helping". Nythar T . C 01:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I took a look at the Ron Chiodi deprod. It looks like a 100% valid action on BeanieFan's part. If anything, I wonder whether WP:BEFORE was undertaken before the article was prodded. I added some of the "low hanging fruit" SIGCOV that was easily found. Cbl62 (talk) 01:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:BEFORE...have you thought about it for a minute? Maybe I don't have a subscription to Newspapers.com? Anyway, it's a bit difficult dealing with inclusionists, they'll just tell you "there's SIGCOV" and you know, there might be. The guidelines on this are a bit problematic. Nythar T . C 02:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * We're all doing our best, and dividing the world into "inclusionists" and "exclusionists" doesn't help. Hopefully, we're all "building-a-better-encyclopedia-ists". Newspapers.com is an invaluable resource for checking notability of USA topics. You can apply for access through the Wikipedia Library. I hope that helps. Cbl62 (talk) 02:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . The Wikipedia Library requires at least 6 months of activity (I think), so that's two more months left. And "inclusionist" isn't an insult, it's simply those who have a tendency to keep more articles. Nythar T . C 02:22, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Wasn't aware of the 6-month-waiting rule. Do apply for it in October. It's a terrific resource for anyone interested in notability discussions on USA topics. Cbl62 (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Brad White (defensive lineman)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Herb Roedel
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Furlong Flynn
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

DYK censoring
Please stop removing valid tags from pages just because they are on the main page. Issues don't disappear because the page is on the Main Page, and hiding the serious issues at the time most people will see the page doesn't help readers and doesn't help to attract editors. Perhaps fix the issue, or ask for the page to be removed from the main page instead? Fram (talk) 15:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Template:Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame members
BeanieFan11, just noticed your edits related to Template:Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame members. I think this navbox template should be deleted. A state sports hall of fame isn't a significant enough honor that a navbox is warranted, i.e. the honor is not so defining that direct navigation between honorees is needed. We've deleted many similar navboxes in the past. Also, note that awards and honors navboxes like this one should be placed after tenure navboxes; see my edits at Joe Purzycki and Mike McGlinchey (American football coach). Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 22:49, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you show me the "similar navboxes" which were deleted in the past? I kind of thought it would be a significant enough honor to get a navbox. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I nominated a bunch that all got deleted here: Templates for discussion/Log/2018 February 17. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Those seem a bit different than this. But, if you want, I am fine with you sending it to TFD. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * BeanieFan11, I opened the TFD here: Templates for discussion/Log/2022 September 27. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 16:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Rodney Parker
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Alfred Neuschaefer
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I have unreviewed a page you curated
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DYK for Benny Lefebvre
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Errington Kelly
, Do you have a subscription to Newspapers.com? If so, I remember you found many sources for Warren Hackett. There is a deletion discussion for Errington Kelly and I wanted to find sources so I searched up Errington Kelly (who made 100+ English Football League apps) on Newspapers.com and found what seemed to be many sources. However, I could not see them fully since I do not have a credit card so can't subscribe. If you have a subscription to Newspapers.com would you be able to put full sources on Errington Kelly in Articles for deletion/Errington Kelly? Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience, Das osmnezz (talk) 01:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a few links to Newspapers.com articles in the discussion . I believe you should be able to apply for free access at the Wikipedia Library. Its really helpful on American topics and to a lesser extent Canadian and British topics. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Das osmnezz I very strongly recommend you apply to Newspapers.com as BeanieFan suggests. They don't ask for any payment details or anything, and you can get access within a few days of applying. I just got access granted and it was as easy as anything. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 19:31, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

 * Thank you! It looks delicious. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks :) BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Joe Kraker
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Your GA nomination of Joe Kraker
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Your GA nomination of Joe Kraker
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DYK nomination of Nick Kerbawy
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Reggie Northrup + Im back
Hey, I have been gone for a months due to needing to take a break. But I'm back to edit and make relevant football articles as best I can. I am done with the Reggie Northrup article, If you find anything wrong with it, let me know. Thank you Karate LemonLime (talk) 15:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * :) Nice to see you back. After looking again at the draft, I realized that there needs to be a ref in the "Mixed Martial Arts career" section. So all that you need to do is add a reference to Northrup's final match was in January 2022, where defeated Jay Mitchell in 35 seconds by knockout and I can accept it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok cool, I will find where I got that from as soon as possible. Karate LemonLime (talk) 16:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay I found it, and I'm not sure if I cited it correctly Karate LemonLime (talk) 17:04, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems cited correctly (although it would be nicer if you used format rather than a bare url). I have moved the page to mainspace. BTW, if you request an unblock from mainspace I think it would probably be accepted, as long as you make sure you understand the notability criteria. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you, I feel like the main thing holding me back currently is citing but thanks again. Also I wrote an article for Jarron Jones, but I forgot how to make it in Wikipedia for review. Karate LemonLime (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * To create a page in Wikipedia, you need to click the "publish changes" button at the bottom left of the screen when you're finished (see picture). For referencing, Citing sources may help (although I personally find it way too long). One thing you could do is have bare urls when you create it, and then immediately afterwards run refill on the page, which fills out most references. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and by the way I did some research and there are a few pages that need updating but I can't do it. But I found that Marion Grice, Thomas Mayo (gridiron football) and Darryl Stonum are in the new American Patriot League. Ra'Shede Hageman was updated but I doubt anyone would update the others. You don't have to do it or anything, you are the only person I talk to on here lol. Thank you again for what you gave me it's really helpful! Karate LemonLime (talk) 20:58, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Tex Kelly
Even though I couldn't persuade myself to vote "keep", I was impressed by your expansion. Nice work. Cbl62 (talk) 23:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * :) BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:29, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Eddie Keenan
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess it didn't need that image after all :) BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Delaware Straight-Out Truth Teller
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Your GA nomination of Delaware Straight-Out Truth Teller
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DYK nomination of Rick Buffington
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