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zOMG
This is for your comment on the AFD for Julin Jean that made me laugh. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 04:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard Massara page deletion
Hi - the page richard massara was deleted back in September due to his apparent lack of interest. I would like to argue that this page would have been of interest. I was never able to see it to give comment on but I am aware of 2 feature films that he has starred in lead roles as well as numerous t.v. commercials in the UK and several modelling roles.

I would be keen to examine the original page to make it up to date. Further, as the son of Rooney Massara and brother of James Massara I believe that even any limited public exposure warrants him eligible for inclusion to this site.

I understand that you have a much greater view/knowledge on the site and would not like to step on any toes. I would just like to raise the question of whether this page may be socially relevant today. However, as I stated, I did not see the initial page so I completely understand if the original article had no sources to back up its importance. If I could see it I might be able to suggest some chances to back it relevant. If this is not possible no bother, I just thought I'd raise the issue. Great work on the site by the way. Your page is very impressive indeed! Thanks.(Firefly57575 (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC))

AfD nomination of Velleity
An article that you have been involved in editing, Velleity, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Powers T 13:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!
Bearian - Thank for your participation and support in my RfA.

I can honestly say that your comments and your trust in me are greatly appreciated.

Please let me know if you ever have any suggestions for me as an editor, or comments based on my admin actions.

Thank you! 7 23:31, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Upstate NY
Bearian,

Thanks for your rescue work on Upstate NY. Most of it makes sense to me.

I do wish to restore the "Legends and Hoaxes" section, however. The Cardiff Giant and the Fox sisters are certainly notable and part of the history of the area. The Cardiff Giant, which is now at the Farmer's Museum in Cooperstown, is nationally known from touring the country with PT Barnum. The Fox Sisters were nationally known as well, having achieved notoriety as mediums when their part of NY State was known as the "Burned Over District" for all the religious fervor and spiritualism thereabouts. Champ is an enduring legend given weight by the geology of the Champlain Valley and Lake Champlain's history as an arm of the sea at the end of the last Ice Age. So I'd like to leave them in. I'm not familiar with the Hudson River Monster, but someone apparently is. Don Argus jr (talk) 05:28, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Good move reverting the edit taking out the "anything north of the Bronx" definition of upstate.

I'm fascinated by your "Bear Mountain" definition, which corresponds closely to the "anything above Westchester and Orange Counties" definition, and is the closest thing I've seen to a specific geographic boundary. Is there another citation for this other than the "Bear Mountain Compact" article? The article implies a definition of upstate but doesn't explicitly state it.

Cheers, Don Argus jr (talk) 19:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

As an Albanian, do you have any suggestions for the new spinoff article Politics of Upstate New York? The criticisms of the POV are legitimate, in my opinion, but I didn't think the problems with that section should be allowed to sink the entire Upstate article.

Farine has been taking additional paragraphs out of the separate Politics article. Most of them are okay, but I thought that the discussion of last fall's congressional race in NY-23 and gaffes by downstate politicians displaying ignorance of upstate geography were significant and shouldn't have been deleted. Do you have any uggestions for how to reframe that information in a Wiki-appropriate manner?

Don Argus jr (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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Friendly FYI
Hello!

Just so you know, we shouldn't be the template Prod2, as you did here, here, and here. This actually caused the page to show up in Category:Pages with incorrectly substituted templates. The standard listing of what can and should be substituted is at Substitution. :) Keep up the positive contributions! Avic enna sis @ 22:47, 28 Sivan 5770 / 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "My bad." Bearian (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

FYI
FYI, prior to the likely conflict of interest-type whitewashing, there was a lot of sourced info, here. Meanwhile, I am instead working on research for a more focused article on the proposed "program", will probably create it as a new article soon. Fun fun. :) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 19:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Pepper v Hart/archive2
In line with the concerns raised at this FAC, would you be able to make a search of US journal archives to see if there are references to Pepper not included in the article? Ironholds (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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Isaac D. Smith
In January, you contested the proposed deletion of this article by User:Scott MacDonald, on the grounds that the subject is notable. I disagree, and have nominated the article for deletion. Your comments are welcome at Articles for deletion/Isaac D. Smith. Robofish (talk) 22:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, great job finding sources for this article. I think notability has been demonstrated, and have withdrawn my deletion nomination; however, other users have expressed wishes to delete it, so the AFD can't be withdrawn unless they change their views as well. Thanks again for your work on this one. Robofish (talk) 00:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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Melissa Kirsch
Thanks for the effort. I will leave it be for now. I can't see what the subject was complaining about and there certainly doesn't seem to be anything to complain about now (unless she really didn't get that Master's degree). If the subject has further complaints we can decide then whether it would be most appropriate to delete or fix. I have it watchlisted in case of any sort of attack being added.... Yworo (talk) 00:19, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Notability of high schools
I noted your reference to your personal notability guideline for high schools in an AFD, and commented on that subpage's talk page. Regards. Edison (talk) 18:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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Page protected, reason given does not apply
Can you explain your page protect of David Weigel a bit better? You said it was done because there were recent edits without citations, that is not true, as you can see by the version that was current when you semi-protected the page. Perhaps you inadvertently mis-stated your reason on the article's talk page?

Just one more question - what is your view on people using the article talk page as a forum to say things about the subject that would obviously not be allowed in the BLP? It seems that is being done big time, especially since the page protect, but also before. Specifically, do you feel that some of these comments should be removed, collapsed, or archived?- Best regards KeptSouth (talk) 22:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I count three sentences without a closing citation for this BLP, one of which has quote marks. Bearian (talk) 23:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There is only one sentence in the entire article which does not have a citation at the end of it: He wrote for The Washington Independent from November 2008 until early 2010 That sentence is hardly contentious or likely to be challenged. There is no quote which is not sourced. Looking back over the history, I don't see where there has been a problem with unattributed quotes. So I still do not see the factual basis for the page protect. Would you please clarify? - Regards KeptSouth (talk) 09:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There are several comments that need to be removed from the talk page, which you may do. Bearian (talk) 23:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I am glad you agree the David Weigel discussion page needs clean up. Here is how it reads now. I will follow the WP:BLPTALK policy and remove, "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced and not related to making content choices". Would you check the page, and if you think I have removed too much material, would you restore it? Thank you. KeptSouth (talk) 09:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

W. John Kenney
Not at all - excellent work. I think it looks good. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Excellent
I am going to see if I can find his birth date and his first name. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

RFC
I noticed that you participated in a previous RFC at Wikipedia talk:Notability (events). I was wondering if you might share your opinion here: RFC: Should Wikipedia:Notability (criminal acts) be merged with Wikipedia:Notability (events) and Wikipedia:Notability (people)? Thanks! Location (talk) 19:14, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

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Evil Socks
See. The online clips cut short before the line!--Milowent (talk) 21:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Amenity Infrastructure
I have PRODded it. – ukexpat (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the alert. I won't second the nomination, but I found another issue - WP:OR. I don't care if it gets deleted, on eway or th eother. Bearian (talk) 15:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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Your Support for AfD Deletion / Paul V. Kane
Bearian, what do you mean there is not third-party confirmation - - read May 18, 2009 Marine Corps Times article referenced directly in the body specifically on Kane. Have you read this entry or are you only scanning it or scanning titles. Reference the NYTimes author profile on subj, read the Marines Magazine feature describing subj by their editors... shall I go on? None of those are by Kane and they are certainly reliable sources for most of humanity, if not ye. Award from President of the United States, on the public record and summarized by Marine Corps Times article in May 2009. Fine if you are right, but you seem to not what to address these facts and only scan the debate and entry in question rather than show attention to detail. BRead man, read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.107.120 (talk) 02:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Amar Ramasar
Hello! Your submission of Amar Ramasar at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Nsk92 (talk) 11:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Can you help?
Mike L. Murphy has been returned to AFD. I have some concerns that its author was never notified of either AFD, and have begun cleanup, expansion, and have done work with sourcing. Might you be able to assist in researching his work as visual effects designer and his works winning awards? Also, there was an article written about him in March 22, 2010. I can find evidence of its existance, and of its being quoted elsewhere... but the article itself is no longer available online. Can we AGF in its existance in hardcopy library archive somewhere? Much appreciated.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Steven C. Krane
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Problem child
I was looking at the edit list and messages posted to User 153.29.176.61 and he/she seems to be a chronic vandalism practitioner. I would recommend that this account be blocked as I see very little attempt by this anonymous user to provide any valid content, but seems to periodically insert gibberish, sometimes using profanity. Mark Sublette (talk) 08:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 08:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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Merge discussion for Foot odor
I have proposed that Smelly socks be merged to Foot odor. Since you contributed to the recent AfD on Smelly socks, you might be interested in participating in the discussion to merge at Talk:Foot odor. Snotty Wong  express 05:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

House concert help
My only involvement with the article was to revert some disruptive editing a while ago. I don't know anything about the subject in order to help I'm afraid. --JD554 (talk) 07:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Really?
Is there some "excessive vandalism" that I am not seeing? There appears to have been a troublesome editor who made some questionable edits at the begining of May, but hardly at the level or of substance (like BLP violations) that would suggest protection. There are many articles subject to much more real vandalism (Dane Cook, Carson Daly) that are not protected. Active Banana (talk) 00:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

help
Dick Cheney's article was up for AFD and I was trying to be very polite by not voting or pointing out how it meets the GNG policy.

The AFD was closed as a no consensus but then there was a secret campaign to force the administrator to re-open it and a flood of deletes. I was not born yesterday. When there is a re-open and a flood of the same votes, it is often a sign of some sort of campaign.

Even if we ignore the campaign, the idea of re-opening and re-closing is against the rules. Some fo the delete people say it is ok, but they want it deleted. I read the real rules and it says that deletion review is the way to go.

I mentioned it on ANI but the people for delete closed the ANI thread. This is being heavy handed. MVOO (talk) 00:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for sourcing Breakfast at Tiffany's (song)‎
And kudos back to you for your sourcing of Breakfast at Tiffany's (song)‎! Active Banana (talk) 01:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Amar Ramasar
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Grieg's music in popular culture
Hello. You recently added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this, see e.g. ). I've only removed the reference, not the text it was referencing, and I've replaced the reference with one to the website of the Griegsakademie. I'm removing a lot of similar references as they are circular references; many other editors have also been duped by these sources. Despite giving an appearance of reliability, the name "Webster's" has been public domain since the late 19th century. Another publisher to be wary of as they reuse Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences &amp;  Windows  01:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Peanut (card game)
I'll take your word for it. I never heard of it, and found nothing relevant online. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 05:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tia Keyes (2nd nomination)
Dear Bearian,

Could you have another look at this one? I think the evidence that she is now a full professor is compelling. I don't know if this would be sufficient to reevaluate your view or whether you think notability is still lacking. The quantity and quality (by Journal) of her publications as documented here seem to me impressive. I hope it is OK to ask you to have another look. Best wishes anyway (Msrasnw (talk) 14:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC))

Why?
Why have you characterized my decision to nominate an article for deletion as vandalism??? Can you find a reputable source to support the "Rights of Englishman" concept? Thankyou. - Ledenierhomme (talk) 00:58, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Please adhere to WP:CIVIL. And please do not fausely accuse me of "vandalising" the page. I'm merely demanding a higher standard. I don't know what "going to Middle School in the United STates" has to do with anything. I believe they teach creationism in some Middle Schools in the US, and racism in some schools in the Arabian peninsula. Google hits? That's how Wikipedia establishes notability? The phrase "Eat shit motherfucker" also comes up with 174,000 results. Until you can find a reputable source establishing the viability of this concept as an important one in political science, then it either deserves to be substantially reduced in scope, or deleted entirely. As it stands now, it's approximately equivalent to an article entitled "The Fighting Irish" that would attempt to describe the inherent martial supremacy of Irish culture. It's silly. And forget Middle School, I have a postgraduate degree in History from one of the world's most prestigious universities. I know rubbish pop history when I see it. - Ledenierhomme (talk) 16:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)