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Re: 69.193.8.98
You seem to know the location of this IP address, and asked for lenient treatment. A very 'hot button' edit was done to Chuck Blazer, a major figure in the 2015 FIFA corruption case fr/ the address. I sent a level 3 warning regarding unsourced edits to 'live' biographies. If you have a connection to the location you mentioned, you might let someone know about this. Regards, Tapered (talk) 01:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I used to live across the street from there, but I moved at the end of last year. I think the manager at Subway's shop there might control the IP access. Bearian (talk) 19:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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Request to reassess article on quality scale
Hi,

Seasons Greetings. This is a request to article Legal awareness, This article has complted three years since I started it on 24th May 2012 since then it has 257 edits and 42 distinct authors. If further supported the article may reach to GA level in future. As of now I want to include article on Law portal page. Undersigned requests to reassess the same on quality scale as per WikiProject Law/Assessment, If you approve it for B class we can include it in Law portal.

Thanks and regards.

Mahitgar (talk) 04:35, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there,, I upgraded it to a C-level article, although it might arguably be a B-level article. I made a couple of edits.  I'll return when I have more time. Bearian (talk) 12:17, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Advice for younger editors
I notice that you have, very wisely in my opinion, removed your name from the list of alleged supporters of Kudpung's revert of my edit to the above page.

It is not legal advice that is required here, just a bit of knowledge of good practice regarding the protection of children. Suggesting that children make private contact with unknown (to them) adults on the internet is crazy. Martin Hogbin (talk) 08:13, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As an educator as well as an attorney, I agree 100% with you. The other editor is not even wrong. Bearian (talk) 12:18, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Would you mind just stating that opinion on the article talk page.  I will then remove the offending paragraph. Martin Hogbin (talk) 13:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Legal awareness and Legal consciousness
Hi,

First of thanks for your support to article Legal awareness. Legal awareness and Legal consciousness are certainly related concepts. While researching legal theory about Legal awareness and Legal consciousness, my preliminary observation has been, some authors seems to have differentiate these two concepts, Where as some authors in their writings seems have used Legal consciousness  wording for legal awareness and some authors seeems to have done it opposite way.

(I suppose) While doing encyclopedic research and writing we need to differentiate which authors are talking about which concept. Prima facia there seems to enough material avaialable to write a separate encyclopedia article about legal consciousness, (as a differentiated concept level by some authors). So what I prefered to do is I have already created a separate article about Legal consciousness in my user space at User:Mahitgar/sandbox/Legal consciousness. Since you have knowledge about this concept, I request you to help me develope article Legal consciousness in my userspace with your peer review and contribs wherever and whenever possible. Once the article Legal consciousness is ready we can bring the same in main namespace and also researching this topic separately will help to improve article Legal awareness wherever possible.

One of the challange before both articles Legal awareness amd Legal consciousness to maintain them as separate without unwanted confusion between two concepts; at the same time taking due note of interrelation of both concepts in respective articles.

(One more aspect is confusion between between different language wikipedia about these two concept becomes aparant, when we give a look at interwiki links from other language wikipedias and content of those articles)

Actually I am not expert in this subject, my observations may be mistaken and your peer review support will keep guiding me, so thanks once again for your valuable support. (And also thanks, you do bear with my broken english :) and still support me)

Thanks once again. Mahitgar (talk) 01:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I didn't see any major errors, except for a few formatting issues. Bearian (talk) 18:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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Copy of a Deleted Article
Hello Bearian, I was hoping you could provide me with a copy of the deleted article "List of Sasuke Stages." While by research it did not fit here on Wikipedia the information was entirely accurate and I would like it for my own reference if possible. Thank you, Selanay (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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Party and party listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Party and party. Since you had some involvement with the Party and party redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I commented, but don't have a strong opinion. Bearian (talk) 19:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Alpha Ralpha Boulevard
I see that you're the one who added Ralph Alpher to the "See also" section of Alpha Ralpha Boulevard. Having been reading Smith for 40–45 years, I pretty much sat bolt upright when I saw that.

I assume that you did so because the man's name seems a very likely source for the name of the boulevard. But there's no mention of that in the text, and I see no connection in Dr. Alpher's article or on his Talk page. I also asked his daughter, Rosana Hart, whom I had some brief contact with when I was Senior Linguist at Dragon Systems. She replied
 * Knowing my father, he never missed a chance to make a pun on names, but I don't know if this one was.

They were both in classified work, but that's pretty big. Do you have any citeable evidence that they even knew each other, or of any other connection? I'd love to put it into the article, but at the moment it's mere OR. Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 06:39, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the heads up. I did that 8 years ago, as a new editor, and the connection is probably coincidental.  I'll remove the link. Bearian (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I doubt it. (Sob!) But necessary, alas. --Thnidu (talk) 22:04, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

NEWS! I found that Alan C. Elms republished his Science Fiction Studies paper "Building Alpha Ralpha Boulevard" on his own website, with no paywall. And there he provides detailed support for the derivation which, though not definitive, makes it seem much more likely than mere coincidence. Alpher himself was also convinced of it, though he and Linebarger never knew each other personally.

Trying to get all this into the article has been quite unwieldy, but there they are: three longish quotes from the pape, shoehorned into the refs. If you can suggest any way to make it smoother, I'd love to hear it. Also, what with sources quoting sources referring to sources, I haven't figured out how to put them all into footnotes, and have had to stick the Elms article in as an External link, referring to it by name when I use it in a footnote. Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 06:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems that there are lots of puns in this story. I now recall that I inserted in on a hunch. Bearian (talk) 00:51, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Oscar Randolph Fladmark, Jr.
Can you help search for more references for the article on Oscar Randolph Fladmark, Jr. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:54, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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Many thanks-
Many thanks for the barnstar-RFD (talk) 18:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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JoAnn Fleming endorsement, and WP:BARE
Hi Bearian, good call on leaving JoAnn Fleming mainspace'd despite her redlink. I've tweaked your syntax slightly, so we don't imply she is THE leader of the tea party in Texas. But, for the sake of narrowing down the meaning of WP:BARE (or perhaps proving that it is not so easy to narrow down), I'm gonna play devil's advocate. After doing a bit of googling, you decided Fleming was on the good side of WP:BARE, but what if I were to argue she is Just Another Activist, and since she is a redlink, must be deleted? ((Assume for the sake of discussion that we have a DFW newspaper which mentions Fleming endorsing Cruz, and that therefore WP:NOTEWORTHY is fully satisfied.))

Okay: insert some hand-waving argument here, that Fleming and her group backed Dwayne Stovall in the 2014 election (true), and clearly her group is mostly focussed on state-level Austin politics (true), and that even though she is a delegate to the Texas state convention, that doesn't mean her endorsement of Cruz will REALLY make any difference. What kind of argument can you give in return, to justify that Fleming belongs in mainspace, that does not boil down to WP:NOTEWORTHY? (honest question, I'd like to hear how you arrived at your conclusion that Fleming is a keep/plausibly-WP:BARE-redlink, as opposed to a revert/no-way-she-could-ever-hit-WP:BARE-status-in-2015.)

p.s. Actually... maybe that is a useful idea... that in order to be in the endorsement-giver list, we could make the rule that you need a WP:NOTEWORTHY mention of the endorsement itself (e.g. DFW newspaper says "Fleming endorses Cruz'16") and then in addition you need (if challenged) to also provide an additional URL which shows that Fleming satisfies WP:NOTEWORTHY for some other action/event/notoriety (e.g. Houston newspaper says "Fleming endorses Stovall'14"). This is just thinking-out-loud, I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, but I might try applying it to some of the redlinks and see what the split-point turns out to be. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 17:21, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Along the same lines, I would be curious to know your assessment of Wild Bill For America, who was added to the list recently. Goes by his stage-name as a conservative speaker, says he is a former deputy u.s. marshal, has a userspace draft (which lists most of the known factoids -- almost 99% entirely WP:ABOUTSELF), and only a couple borderline-WP:NOTEWORTHY hits could I find (which I added to the endorsements-article to show he is a perhaps-just-barely-conceivably-WP:BARE).  That said, under his stage-name he has 38k youtube subscribers, ~26k facebook likes, and  ~3k twitter followers.  By way of comparison, Pataki, who is nominally running for president, has ~35k twit-folls, ~17k face-likes, and ~0.2k utoob-subs.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 20:50, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, Will Bill for America seems notable. At least I've heard of him. Bearian (talk) 23:32, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Really? Well, first time for me on Wild Bill, though I knew about Fleming before.  :-)      But yeah, he seems to satisfy the kind of fuzzy if-they-are-borderline-we-should-give-them-some-leeway type of analysis that WP:BARE suggests to my ears.  Technically, though, his endorsement of Cruz doesn't yet meet WP:NOTEWORTHY, because we only have his youtube-channel, aka WP:ABOUTSELF.  Fleming, on the other hand, got coverage on two of her hometown television stations, that I was able to find with a quick search.  So, if somebody challenges Wild Bill, it will probably means he gets relegated to a hover-to-see-footnote (aka rule#1_D), or maybe even moved over to the Cruz page (rule#1_E).  Anyways, my real worry is not that you and I and the other active-at-the-moment editors cannot use some collective common sense, and figure out that Fleming and Wild Bill *arguably* ought to be kept.  My worry is that, when the election season heats up, and we have a LOT of people making drive-by edits, things will get too hectic for calm discussions like this.  I'm not a crystal ball, of course, but the politics articles tend to get a little heated sometimes, so I'd like to get some reasonably-fair and efficient system/mechanism worked out now, if we can manage it.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 03:12, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Endorsements_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016.

Well, it has been a week, and although there is WP:NORUSH which always applies, there is also the idea that WP:TIAD. Are you comfy with rule_#1_d, where all the redlinks are visible in a Notes section at the bottom, for the moment at least while we wait for other editors to bangvote on the proposals? I don't like leaving mainspace half-according-to-rule#1_B and half-according-to-rule#1_C much longer. Alternatively, if you would rather get some more input before I start modifications, are you okay with me sending a "your input is requested" message to people that made at least 3 edits in the past 3 months? I'm happy to proceed either way you like. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 22:00, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I support prop 1 (d). Bearian (talk) 12:27, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm going to give this a shot. Feel free to ping my usertalk if you think I'm going off the rails.  :-)      And of course, feel free to be WP:BOLD and help me collaboratively edit mainspace.  Talk to you later, 75.108.94.227 (talk) 00:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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August 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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FYI
Hi Bearian! This is just an FYI that I noticed that while you're not an administrator any longer, there are still a couple of "administrator type things" on your talk page: namely, the sysop logo in the upper right-hand corner and then the note at the beginning of the page that says "Please note: If you have urgent and important business, please seek out the assistance of another administrator." Perhaps you're planning to "re-sysop" or perhaps you wanted to keep the aforementioned items on your talk page for whatever reason, but just thought I'd ping you. Feel free to ignore me :) Safehaven86 (talk) 00:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, I fixed it. Bearian (talk) 20:10, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Research Ethics Law: :In re Cincinnati Radiation Litigation, 874 F. Supp. 796
wouldn't it be better to rewrite this case than to delete the article? You could do it faster than I could.  DGG ( talk ) 09:10, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see any evidence that it's notable, or even a precedent. For the next week, I'm going on vacation to Cherry Grove, New York, and on Monday, interviewing at a certain college in LI, so I don't have time. Bearian (talk) 20:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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