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Recently, I was preparing to re-write some sections of WP:Copyvio and WP:CWW concerning emphasis being placed on copying outside of Wikipedia on the one hand, and on the other hand copying within Wikipedia. My examination of the various Noticeboards was that many editors and administrators were using the term "copyvio" interchangably to apply to both. I read the following text in WP:Copyvio: '''Some cases will be false alarms. For example, text that can be found elsewhere on the Web that was in fact copied from Wikipedia in the first place is not a copyright violation – at least not on Wikipedia's part. In these cases, it is a good idea to make a note of the situation on the discussion page.''' This seems to suggest that there is an exclusion for re-using old Wikipedia material in new Wikipedia articles from the use of the "copyright" phrase at it is largely applied at Wikipedia. My question is, is "copyvio" being used as a term-of-art at Wikipiedia to describe the re-use or forking of old Wikipedia articles into new Wikipedia articles, or is this a misapplication of the legal code understanding of the phrase which recurs in the day-to-day usage of the term among many Wikipedia editors and administrators? (I am asking this about the Wikipedia side of things and not the legal code side of this question.) Cheers. MusicAngels (talk) 20:37, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I've been busy off-wiki. I don't think that re-using parts of old articles into new ones is at all a copyvio.  However, it's good practice to use the edit summary to say what one is doing.  For example, write "copying some text from Leprosy to Leviticus". Bearian (talk) 01:08, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment Bearian. A number of administrators at Wikipedia have been taking exception, however, and I thought I would at least bring you up to date. Even though WP:CWW is very clear that there is no copyvio here, and WP:CWW says nothing about G12 violations, it seems widespread among many administrators (though not all of them) that it is a G12 violation which they will action as such. My question is really a simple one: If there are administrators who believe that it is a G12 violation then should we not be updating the current WP:CWW article with a section= that at least mentions G12 warnings and violations as an issue. What's the responsible way to bridge this issue about administrators currently actioning G12 violations against what WP:CWW is telling editors to do, that is, WP:CWW agrees with you that re-use of old Wikipedia articles in new ones "ïs not a copyright violation." Cheers. MusicAngels (talk) 16:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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September 16: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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Nine Degrees of Autism Developmental Model
Hello Bearian,

I work with an autism researcher named Philip Wylie. He would like me to create an article on a developmental model he has worked on, called the Nine Degrees of Autism. I am new to Wikipedia and have never posted an article before. Could you please advise me on how to craft an article that is approved? The previous draft I uploaded was deleted for plagiarism, although seeing as I was working with the express permission of the creator of the model I assumed it would not be a problem.

Thanks for your help!

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Nmizrachi1990 (talk) 17:38, 10 September 2015 (UTC)Nmizrachi1990
 * , if what you told me is true, I have bad news for you. You seem to have the the worse luck in the navy.  Wikipedia just went through a scandal wherein we ended up blocking hundreds of paid editors and erased dozens of their articles, which had been used to blackmail businessmen.  I'm not going to link them but you can use Google or Bing.  Plagiarism is very bad and copyright violations are not just a crime, but also is against one of our most important policies.  We also do not publish new research, period - please see WP:OR -- despite urban legends otherwise.  I'm sorry, but I can't help you. Bearian (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Moyers Corners Fire Department
I opened the above. Result was redirect to the community it serves. Just asking for an opinion here, do you think it would have been reasonable to bypass AfD and simply boldly redirect it to the community myself? John from Idegon (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * , let it run its course. Bearian (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thursday October 15: Women in Architecture Edit-a-thon @ Guggenheim (drop-in any time, noon-8pm!)
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This Friday: Women in Architecture edit-a-thon @ Cambridge, MA
You are invited to join the Women in Architecture edit-a-thon @ Cambridge, MA on October 16! (drop-in any time, 6-9pm)--Pharos (talk) 18:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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Australian education research project
Dear Bearian,

My name is Gjeta Gjyshinca and I am working on a research project based on Australian education. My initial research is based on compiling an up-to-date list of all Government and Non-Government schools in Australia, taking into account closures, name-changes, and amalgamations of schools. I got your details from Tedder's talk page (Tedder is a coordinator of the Schools WikiProject page here). I was unsure how to contact Tedder so I wonder whether you could provide me with information on how the information on this page and all sub-pages was collected and how recent it is? Is it possible to download these lists in spreadsheet format?

I hope you can help me with this research or direct me to someone who can!

Many Thanks, Gjeta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.14.178 (talk) 10:40, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No. Did not you read the top of my page?  I am on a "Wikibreak". Bearian (talk) 11:12, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, and that notice says you will be back soon. When you are, maybe you can respond to my request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.14.178 (talk) 09:47, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , can you please help this person? help needed! Bearian (talk) 21:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Gjeta, since Wikipedia does not have a central editorial staff, the information on that pages was collected by many independent editors, each improving the lists and adding information independently. You can check the page histories to see when what kind of information was added (or removed, or changed). Thus unfortunately it's very difficult to tell how recent the information is - different parts of those lists were added at different times. To my knowledge Wikipedia tables unfortunately cannot be downloaded as spreadsheets. However, you apparently can copy-paste the content into Excel or the like; I tried using LibreOffice, and it not only recognizes the tables but even recognizes and reproduces the links. Huon (talk) 22:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh huh- interesting use case. You can contact me by hitting "email this user" or by leaving a message on my talk page. But what really needs to be done is some minor scripting to download and normalize them. If it was all on one page I'd offer to cook something up but it's a few extra hours of work beyond that. tedder (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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FYI
A page whose deletion discussion you participated in was re-added and nominated for deletion again. See: WP:Articles_for_deletion/Karen_Franklin_(2nd_nomination) Barcaboy2 (talk) 16:46, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Ieraj007
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Deletion review for Folklore Museum of Velventos
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Request for advice
Hi Bearian,

I've been involved in a long-running dispute (or more accurately, WP:BATTLEGROUND situation) for a while now surrounding longevity-related articles, where some users are actively trying, as they put it, to "prune" the project and delete content which they believe to be "trivial" or "fanfluff", but the general opinions of these users are not always consistent with the rest of the community's. There's been an enormous number of AfD's and RfC discussions which are pretty pointless because there's rarely enough input from uninvolved editors. Do you have any advice for how best to resolve the situation and get more outside input?

Thanks! -- Ollie231213 (talk) 21:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * One place to go is the WP:AN/I admin board for input. Bearian (talk) 16:49, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:10, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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