User talk:Beccaynr/Archives/2023/June

I'm curious how you would proceed in this situation
Hello! I wanted to briefly ask you about how you would deal with a situation that popped up on BLPN (it's under Lana Rhoades).

While under dispute, one of the people who was in favor of including the name added the above persons real name as a redirect to the article, after it was removed for being a possible violation of BLPNAME.

I'm unsure of how redirects work, if it is allowed, but it came across as being a bad faith attempt to get it included in a backdoor approach.

I glanced at the policies regarding redirects, but didn't run across anything that caught my eye. You have way more experience so I figured I would ask you.

Oh, sorry one last question - if I was curious how to word a future post, so that it was less wordy than my usual posts but wanted to run it past a few users I respected before publicly posting it, is there a way to do that? I thought about putting it into draft space, but that wouldn't make a lot of sense since it's public. I haven't looked into Sandbox yet, but I think it might be an option. I wanted to run something past you and another user, with your permission (and if time permits on your end, of course)

Thank you so much for all your help, and advice!

Awshort (talk) 17:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Awshort! I reviewed the BLPN discussion, found the redirect, reviewed the redirect guideline, and left a comment in its own subsection in the BLPN subsection, because as I mentioned in my comment there, I am not particularly familiar with how these issues relate, but I think it seems relevant for discussion participants to consider, or at least know that it now exists.
 * As general advice, I think your participation in the discussion has been thorough, policy-based, and thoughtful - I would suggest that even when you are pinged, it does not necessarily require a response. You have stated your position, and this is fairly well-attended discussion, so I am not sure there is much more to say at this time - it may be helpful to wait for the discussion to continue, and consider writing a concise summary statement later to address multiple points, if it seems that this would add something new to the discussion and not simply repeat what you have already said. The oft-cited WP:BLUDGEON essay has further guidance on the art of effective discussion participation.
 * Probably the best advice I can offer at the moment is to avoid making statements during a content discussion, even careful ones like you have made here, that imply or suggest possible bad faith by an editor. Even a cautious statement can derail a discussion about content because an editor may seek to defend themselves, counter-allegations of bad faith may be made, etc etc; I find it helpful to consider how with the varying levels of experience in editors as well as the various ways policies and guidelines can be interpreted in good faith, there will be disagreements about what is and is not appropriate at any given time, and that fortunately, we primarily have the consensus model of decisionmaking to find resolutions. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 18:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Categories
Yeah, that's generally what you should do: if a category is only applicable to one of them and not to both, then place it on the redirect from that specific person's name instead of on the omnibus article. (If there's more than one redirect representing the same person, though, then it doesn't need to go on all of those, just one.) Bearcat (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you ! Although I am still puzzling about what to do with one of the alternative names for Mary Newport - she seems to be known as Mary Meinel-Newport for her roles on Star Trek (e.g. ). I am wondering if it is okay to add an actress category tag to this alternative name - I could remove this category from other alternative names, if that sounds reasonable. Thanks again, Beccaynr (talk) 14:46, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You can pick whichever redirect makes the most sense for any given category. Each category only needs to contain one redirect representing that person, but that doesn't mean that all of the categories have to be strictly on the same redirect — you are allowed to put some of her categories on "Newport", some on "Meitei" and some on "Meitei-Newport", depending on which name suits each category best. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That makes perfect sense, and thank you very much for the clarification. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 14:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * !!! Beccaynr (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Been less active recently due to work (still meaning to circle back to UHAB when I get the chance lol), but just saw this and wanted to say congrats!!! An incredibly deserved and possibly overdue reward! Best, TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi ! Thank you, and I am glad to hear from you! And UHAB is also on my neverending to-do list - please always feel free to remind me, especially if you are returning to actively working on it. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 19:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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