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Main page image protection
Hello again. You put an unprotected image on the main page again. If an image description page says "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons", you have to upload the file from Commons to Wikipedia before updating DYK. This requires actually saving the image from Commons to your computer and then uploading it here. --- RockMFR 02:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

5/3 DYK

 * And thank you.-- Bedford 02:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Update is late if you're active. Gatoclass (talk) 08:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Main Page balance
If I may interject, I added a seventh one because there was a gob of space underneath the DYK section, and was still quite a bit after I added it and previewed it. I use Firefox and have a 19"widescreen, if that tells you anything.-- Bedford 00:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, Bedford. We are all trying to make MainPage look pretty on our screen, polishing it from different angles.  :-)  --PFHLai (talk) 00:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, Bedford, do you mean a 7th on Next ? I didn't see the blank space with the MainPage preview that included your 7th.  Things are balanced on my screen, but I can't see what you have on Firefox. Please adjust as you see fit on your screen. --PFHLai (talk) 01:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I previewed it before it went up, saw a lot of extra space, so I added a seventh entry. Now on my screen, there's a centimeter height difference between the end of the DYKs and the lower "More events:" on the On the Day section.-- Bedford  01:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * On my screen now, I have "Archive – Start a new article..." at the bottom of DYK a little below "More events: May 3 – May 4 – May 5" but a little higher than "Archive – By email – More anniversaries..." at the bottom of SA/OTD. As the BorgQueen said, "it is not an exact science ..."  I'll let things sit and not touch them for now.  --PFHLai (talk) 01:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Baseball uniform
Hello. I would like your opinions on the article if it would pass DYK. Someone else already nominated it but I would like to have your opinions, just in case their's a flaw to it. Thanks.--RyRy5 (talk  ♠ wikify ) 01:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks good to me.-- Bedford 07:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It passed yesterday. Also, when it passed, Rotaybroil asked me on the template talkpage that I rm the date of the hook as there is no proof that the info occured on that date. I rm the date but I had no responce from him/her. Do you mind taking a look? It should be in the May 1st thread.--RyRy5 (talk  ♠ wikify ) 18:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, what do I do now? That's my first DYK passing.--RyRy5 (talk  ♠ wikify ) 19:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

19"
By the way, 19" is really huge. It must be convenient to play games or watch DVD on your PC. I am editing Wiki with 12" laptop. :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I play all my games on PS2, and I rarely watch DVDs on my computer. I'd play Magic Online, but my computer is 4-5 years old, and is a bit slow at times, so recent games are out of the question.  Still, it does make me appreciate some of the pictures I've taken many of which I still need to upload (I have a bunch of sweet pics of the Belle of Louisville and Delta Queen I still need to upload).-- Bedford  06:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Userspace assist
Would you please mind deleting this page? - I no longer need it. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 07:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been done.-- Bedford 07:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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DYK help
I don't want to waste the admins time who run the DYK so I thought I'd come to the expert. I was wondering if you thought Indian Head Rock might be a good candidate for a DYK? Thanks for your time. §hep  •   ¡Talk to me!  01:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty good, but at 1505 characters of main text is just barely qualifies, and looks skinny, so filling out a bit more wouldn't be a bad idea.-- Bedford 01:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking at it. §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  02:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK:Treaty of Axim
Thanks for extracting a DYK from this page: Treaty of Axim (1642)! Great boost for the article and a great help for my efforts to standardise and upgrade article on treaties! Michel Doortmont (talk) 12:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Update
Well, I can update myself and do the credits as well. :-) You are welcome to take a break for a while. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gracias.-- Bedford 03:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The article is well referenced via secondary media sources, so I don't see a big problem. As for user's newbiedom, let's assume good faith. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was, but wanted to make myself STOCKS-proof. ;) -- Bedford  04:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Proctology exam
Heh, thanks for the proposal - I think!

Actually, Royalbroil is apparently planning to nominate me on on May 10, which is only a few days away now. He chose that date because it will be six months since my last (abortive) RFA (and I said at the time I would like to wait at least another six months before renominating).

But if you'd like to co-nominate on the day in question, that's fine by me :) Gatoclass (talk) 03:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for letting me know that The White Bird is on DYK. It's always fun to have something on the mainpage. :) --Elonka 01:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:South Barrule mill.jpg
oh hai. Please read the instructions at the DYK template. Plz. --- RockMFR 02:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Thanks for doing that for me.-- Bedford 02:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  02:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK nom
Do you think Ronald Joy and/or Bahá'í Faith in Niger would pass? I nominated it but I would like your opinions for any changes since your very active in DYK noms.--RyRy5 (talk  ♠ Review ) 04:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Both look good; go ahead and nominate.-- Bedford 04:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually nominated it a few days ago. I just wanted to see there were any mistakes. I guess if you think their good, would you pass them?--RyRy5 (talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 04:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. :) How about Bahá'í Faith in Niger? It was created on May 5.--<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5 (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 23:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Usually, those on the bottom get used first, and we are just starting using those on May 3rd, so wait a few days.-- Bedford 23:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I see. It would be fair to do that, as there are many old nominations. Cheers.--<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5 (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 00:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you think Nuit (song) would pass DYK nom? I think it's a little too short, right?--<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Ryan (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 02:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The length is OK. I'm not enough of a Francophile to know how good the sources are.  I've seen worse looking articles make it; just make the hook is well sourced and don't sound like an advertisement.-- Bedford  03:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The hardest thing for me is deciding the hook. How about "Did you know... that Nuit (song) sold about 202,000 copies making the song the most successful single of the trio Jean-Jacques Goldman, Carole Fredericks, and Michael Jones?" Is it good?--<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Ryan (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 03:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dell970
Please take a look at WT:RFA, and my comment under the "Discussion" section of the RFA itself (which I added after it closed). I think allegations of racist slurs have a very credible explanation. Since the RFA is kept forever, I wonder if you would consider going back to the closed RFA, and strike any portion of your comments relating to the racist slurs? Otherwise, this is likely to haunt an otherwise good faith contributor in the future. Thanks. --barneca (talk) 04:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked at the edits. It may have been due to the account being compromised, but they were made.-- Bedford  04:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA for Gatoclass
You inquired about nominating him for adminship. You can co-nom at Requests for adminship/Gatoclass 2 if you're still interested.  Royal broil  03:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer, but I'll let you single nom, and then when I vote I'll mention that I thought about nom'ing him myself.-- Bedford 04:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK comment
Hi Bedford. After your comment at Template talk:Did you know I've added more cites, expanded a bit, and added more images to ¡Qué viva México!. Can you take another look? I guess it wasn't ready to be rushed on for Cinco de Mayo but perhaps it is ready for regular DYK. Let me know what you think. Regards, dvdrw 07:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

5/9 DYK
No problem. After all, nobody's perfect...except me. ;-) -- Bedford 17:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Lincoln County Courthouse
I was planning to start an article about the Lincoln County Courthouse as it is on NRHP. We took a picture last weekend. I already uploaded it and added it to the Stanford, Kentucky article. I noticed that you added one to the Courthouse project and did not want to overlap our efforts. :-) FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 21:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I hear ya. That courthouse project has only 23 missing right now, and hopefully a few more will be taken tomorrow.-- Bedford  21:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Credits
How about I do the credits if you finish the update? :p Gatoclass (talk) 01:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I just did the update.-- Bedford 01:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay, I didn't realize. Yeah, sure, I don't mind doing the credits. I might just take a little break though first if you don't mind. Gatoclass (talk) 01:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll do the credits on the article's talk pages, and you can do the credits o the User's talk pages.-- Bedford  01:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, they're done already :) Gatoclass (talk) 02:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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Next update
I have to go out now, so please take care of the next update if you have time. You could ask Gato to do the credits for your own hook. Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be gone for it as well, as I'm going picture taking in Kentucky. They'll have to find another sucker for it.-- Bedford  12:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Bivouac of the Dead
I just woke up, and already you guys are conspiring to make me do a DYK update? That's no fair.

(Just kidding. And congratulations on another successful DYK.) --Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I guess you were the "sucker" I mentioned in the last section. ;) j/k -- Bedford  01:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Update
✅ Gatoclass (talk) 02:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That was quick! Thanks B.


 * Do you want to do the notifications, or will I? Gatoclass (talk) 02:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll let you. For future reference, I thought I'd let you know its easier for others to notify users of their articles making it by using the style suggested for the credits section, which is

{ { USERNAME | NAMEOFARTICLE } } -- Bedford 02:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

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Menifee County Courthouse
I saw that you all got more courthouses yesterday. :-) Motivated me so we braved the threats of thunderstorms and drove to Frenchburg this morning. We got the Menifee County courthouse, a main street pic, and a few other building old building. A 20 minute delay for one downed tree blocking the road between Mt. Sterling and Frenchburg, but we otherwise the weather was mostly sunny. Not sure when I'll get them on site but wanted to let you know so as to not duplicate efforts. Take care, FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 17:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, myself and "RetiredUsername" took quite a few pictures yesterday, I took 66 pictures myself, and will slowly add most of them. "RU" has two more courthouse pictures to put up; of my corresponding two, one was of the old one, and the other was too many trees for the view.-- Bedford 17:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * RU's/Courthouse project was a fantastic idea. I'm happy to help the little bit that I have. The majority of the credit goes to you all for the many long drives to the small rural counties. I'm truly pleased to see your dedication to getting it completed. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 18:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * RU did all the driving (from which I should receive hazardous duty pay), but I did the navigating. The teamup worked well.  Now the only problem is the far west Kentucky courthouses.  Of course, I still have quite a few ACW monuments to go, although I'll be going to Lebanon's this week, taking pictures in Bardtsown to fill in its NRHP stuff as well..-- Bedford  18:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK updates - PLEASE READ THIS
Can you please pay attention to image protection when updating DYK? I've put multiple notes on your talk page, yet every image you've put on the main page has been unprotected. --- RockMFR 21:58, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) not every image
 * 2) the protection is over redundant.-- Bedford 22:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not redundant. Commons images must be uploaded here. Otherwise, any idiot can upload goatse at Commons and have it display on our main page. --- RockMFR 22:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Hines House
Hey, sorry I was so late in getting your message, I've not logged on in some time. The picture that you took of the Hines House is indeed a picture of the Eloise Houchens center. If you need a shot of the Hines House, I could try to obtain one for you.

OPMaster (talk) 21:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'd be most appreciative. In fact, take a few more pictures of notable things in Bowling Green and I'll give you a Bluegrass Barnstar.-- Bedford  21:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK update?
May I suggest updating the DYK page? I've gone to the trouble of filling the next update page with suggestions!

Just wanted to let you know!

Thanks,

<font face="Gill Sans MT"> BG 7   00:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK: Distracted
I got distracted while doing the update, and just got back. Do you want to finish doing the credits, or should I?-- Bedford 01:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm almost done, so I guess I'll finish it. --PFHLai (talk) 01:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks.-- Bedford  01:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK: Big Four Bridge

 * I have no experience with GAs, but it looks like this article of yours is ready. I'd wait a week or so to make sure it's stable, per #5 at Good article criteria. Good luck. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 03:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:ShepBot
I got the other 4, left a message on my talk. Thanks for the help. §hep  •   ¡Talk to me!  01:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Update
Thanks for helping with the update, but didn't you see the inuse tag? I put that there so as not to get edit conflicts or have someone post the update while I was still finishing it. Gatoclass (talk) 04:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw it, but I am staying up waiting to update it, and you took so long, that I felt I had to step in before I fell asleep. No offense, but I had to do a Larry the Cable Guy and "get her done".-- Bedford  04:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's okay, but obviously I didn't know you were hanging around waiting, so I wasn't in a hurry. It's not like it's six hours late and we have a huge backlog or anything. If you let me know next time, I will gladly step aside so you can finish it :) Gatoclass (talk) 04:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Arthur Henry Douthwaite
Hi, thanks for reconsidering this article for DYK. Just wanted to let you know I'm grateful. Malick78 (talk) 09:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Bridge and cites
Just in case you're getting paranoid, a couple of words of explanation.

I changed your bridge photo because two users (including myself) had expressed the opinion that a photo of the bridge with a fire would only confuse readers. But actually I thought the other photo was evocative and artistic anyway, and looked nice on the front page.

As far as the cite, you may have missed my comment on the suggestions page but basically I said that while I too dislike "cite bombing", we do have a rule that cites should be as close as possible to the statement in the hook, and I think it's only right I hold everyone to the same standard regardless of how experienced or trusted they are. You can always remove the "gratuitous" cite later anyhow, it's only needed as long as the article is going through DYK. I've actually done this many times with my own articles. Hope that helps to clarify things a little. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 13:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Evil, evil
I'd chastise you vigorously for that pun if I didn't suspect you supported the DYK nomination... ;) scot (talk) 16:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Livermore Bridge
When you say (eg) 10.7 ft, do you mean 10ft 7 in? Mjroots (talk) 20:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My source said 10.7, not 10 feet 7 inches. It does seem a bit weird, through.-- Bedford  20:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Clarify
Do you mind clarifying why you said at Talk:Climate of North America? Thanks. --<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5 (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 02:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * One could write a doctorate dissertation on the Climate of North America easily, so I thought the article can use more information. That said, it is certainly worthy of DYK right now, but it can be much more than it is right now.-- Bedford  03:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But I thought that stubs couldn't be a DYK. -- <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5 (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 03:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * As long as its not called a stub on the front page, it's OK; it just needs 1,500 characters of main text. I marked ti as stub to encourage filling out the article.-- Bedford  03:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for clarifying. Cheers. -- <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5 (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 03:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:5/16 DYK
Thanks! Although, it would be nice to do that somehow without any stress. :P Cheers, and keep up your work at DYK reviewing. -- <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5 (<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk  ♠ <font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review ) 04:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA
Not really. At this stage, more nervous about how I will handle the extra responsibilities :) Gatoclass (talk) 05:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA Thanks
Thanks for your support at my recent Request for adminship. Perhaps we will have a chance to collaborate in the future. I hope you find I live up to your expectations. Best, Risker (talk) 13:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RyRy5 at DYK
As a person who handles a lot of the DYKs, I thought you should be aware of this notice. Several of RyRy5's DYK nominations have been for articles he's created through copying and pasting off other websites. We're asking that no one accept further nominations for DYK by RyRy5 for awhile. Thanks, Metros (talk) 18:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam
<div style="background-color: white; border: #5B92E5 solid 2px; margin-bottom:.5em; padding: 5px; font-family: trebuchet ms, sans-serif;"><font color="#084C9E">, just a note of appreciation for your recent support of my request for adminship, which ended successfully with 112 supports, 2 opposes, and 1 neutral. If there's something I've realized during my RFA process this last week, it's that adminship is primarily about trust. I will strive to honour that trust in my future interactions with the community. Many thanks! Gatoclass (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC) Just finishing up on my thank spamming, that took much longer than I anticipated!

Anyhow, this is just a small token of appreciation for all your support over the last few months. This round is on me. Enjoy! Gatoclass (talk) 10:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

True Scotsman DYK
Dear cute and charming (true!) Bedford, True Scotsman and I thank you for the DYK 17/5, Julia Rossi (talk) 22:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. It didn't seem right for it to get passed over due to a day or two miscalculation.-- Bedford  22:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * *two thumbs up* : )  Julia Rossi (talk) 05:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

C-uploading
Hello, Bedford. Please be reminded that images from Wikimedia Commons need to be (re-) uploaded to English Wikipedia, or the protection done here in English Wikipedia will not protect the picture, but only protect whatever edits made locally in English Wikipedia. If the image displayed is still a WCommons file and the picture is not uploaded and protected locally in English Wikipedia, protection is needed at WCommons by an admin there. Applying C-uploaded (or M-protected) alone won't help, as it's only a courtesy notice and a maintenance tool to facilitate categorization. Hope this helps. --PFHLai (talk) 22:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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My Recent Rfa
Although you opposed me in my recent RFA I will still say thanks as from your comments and the other users comments that opposed me I have made a todo list for before my next RFA. I hope I will have resolved all of the issues before then and I hope that you would be able to support me in the future. If you would like to reply to this message or have any more suggestions for me then please message me on my talk page as I will not be checking back here. Thanks again.  ·Add§hore·  <sup style="color:blue;">T alk /<sub style="color:blue;">C ont 16:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hines House Photography
Hey dude, I went out and took many more images around Warren County and Bowling Green today, which you can find in my contributions. However, the one shot I really wanted to get, the Hines House, I didn't get. I went to the Houchens Center for Women with the intent of photographing the next door residence, as you mentioned. However, one side of the center was bordered by a street, while the other was a modern resource center. I guess I need to do some hard research in order to get the shot, but I will attempt it again.

BTW, what's a Barnstar award? Not that I mind getting awards, but what is a Barnstar award, well, awarded for?

OPMaster (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like you had the same problem I had finding the Hines House. Barnstars are given whenever another user thinks you deserve an award for your efforts.  I like telling people what I'd award for, so they have some goal to achieve, to motivate them.  Barnstars are just a nice thing to decorate your user page with.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  21:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Dungeons & Dragons
Actually that was something of an in-joke from a recent meet-up, and as such was fairly appropriate. However, joke now over, I shan't be repeating it. Cheers, What Girls Do In Secret.txt (ask me if you want to know!) 08:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Question
I have to ask, why are you referring to the American Civil War as the POV War of Northern Aggression in the text of articles? I have caught this several times and am beginning to think it is something you are doing on purpose in violation of Wiki policies on neutrality. IvoShandor (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * More like giving equal weight to both sides. "Civil War" is not a neutral term either.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  21:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I figured you'd say something like that. There is a clear term that is used in scholarly literature, and on Wikipedia. War of Northern Aggression is obvious POV, if you cannot see that then there is no point in discussing anything with you, your biases make it impossible. Have a nice day, good luck rewriting history to meet your POV on Wikipedia. This project is screwed. IvoShandor (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am concerned. IvoShandor, a wikipedian whom I admire very much has apparently left in disgust and I believe that this conflict may have been the "straw".  I find it disconcerting that a well established administrator such as yourself would choose to use a different term for the American Civil War, such as you have numerous times.  What motivation could you have to call something so notable by a name different than that given in 99% of literature on the planet other than POV?  I find that this type of action also shakes my own faith in Wikipedia.  Your brazen comment above as a justification for this behavior speaks volumes, and it is unsettling.  I also personally have a problem with this because, as a fellow southerner, I believe this type of thing further perpetrates the negative stereotypes others have of the south and it's people.  I am requesting that you stop.  If you don't, I will be forced to seek dispute resolution by other means.  Broooooooce (talk) 05:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The War of Northern Aggression is not a normative nor scholarly name for the American Civil War. I urge you to consider changing. Bstone (talk) 05:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, Ivo should get over himself, and if he can't, I'd advise looking up an adage about doors and certain portions of one's anatomy. Motivations would include adding balance to the coverage and prevent "centricism"; note that I do not revert anyone using the POV term "ACW", so I would say I'm the one who's acting in a tolerant manner, which Ivo apparently wasn't.  Your 99% is an exaggeration, and the only ones promoting negative stereotypes are those like yourself who act like being a southerner is something to be embarrassed by.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  05:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am quite proud of my heritage, thank you. Your assumption to the contrary, having only the above paragraph to draw from, was hasty and incorrect.  I understand your reasoning; I still disagree.  I am going to seek a third opinion.  Broooooooce (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Bedford, admins are expected to be a model citizen of this community. Your above comment doesn't make you appear to be just that. I am a little disappointed, to tell the truth. Bstone (talk) 05:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am being as diplomatic as possible, but Ivo has a history of blowing his top, which is why his RfA failed. Meanwhile, my preference for using the term WNA was noted in my RfA and I passed.  Then again, unlike either of you my specialty area is the conflict in question, so I would know more about the subject than those who, judging by their contributions, are not experts in the field.--- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  05:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Bedford, diplomacy aside, now you're trying to appeal to authority? That's something that this project very much does not do. This is reminiscent of the Essjay controversy. Regarding the RfA, the community gave you a mandate to be an admin. They didn't say it's fine to use War of Northern Aggression in articles. Please don't let that mandate become invalid. Bstone (talk) 05:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Rainbow_trout.png|thumb|right|150px|[[:WP:TROUT|Look, an old friend!]]]]
 * Just kidding about the trout business. Anyway, sorry to interject, but I agree with Bstone when he says that just because the community gave you admin powers doesn't mean they gave you the right to arbitrarily term conflicts any way you deem fit; saying that you used the term "WNA" in your RfA and still passed is like saying that global temperature shifts are caused by the decrease of seafaring pirates. Master of Puppets  <sub style="color:#777">Call me MoP! :)  06:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * To further illuminate the reasoning behind my complaint: I feel that encyclopedias should be consistent in their nomenclature. While I understand you feel that ACW is also POV, I disagree because civil war is defined as an internal war between factions of a single country; the fact that we had a civil war is therefore a fact.  The term you suggest implies specifics.  This opens the door to POV pushing and revisionist history.  If it is alright for you to use the term you suggest, then doesn't that set a precedent?  Could someone else not use your argument to favor a term such as "Slaveholders War" (which is also listed as an alternate name of some notable use at Naming the American Civil War.  I am not comfortable with such a precedent, not only for fear of the ramifications, but because it is simply unencyclopedic.  Also, your additional assumption as to the specific areas of my knowledge seems presumptuous given what limited sources you have to draw your conclusions from, this pattern of action is also disconcerting. It is also noteworthy that in your RFA, you did not respond to the question regarding this issue. Broooooooce (talk) 06:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I never said that being an admin gave me the right to call things certain things. Plus, if anyone looked at my RfA they would note that I seemed to have set a record on the amount of questions being asked, so I do believe I am excused from not answering two out of more than well over a score of questions.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  06:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW, thanks for the trout. Being a penguin, I like being fed fish. *wink* -- Bedford <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  06:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps now that you aren't so pressed for time, you could answer it for us:
 * "Question from VanTucky 26. On your user page, you say that your specialties are history and geography, and go on to call the Civil War the 'War of Northern Aggression'. Can you tell me why using this name (except in reference to itself) in the American Civil War article would be inappropriate, and how would you deal with a contributor attempting to insert it? Van Tucky 17:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)"
 * Additionally, I wouldn't mind hearing your rebuttal to what I've already stated above. Broooooooce (talk) 07:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Just a comment here, but in The Civil War: A Narrative, by Shelby Foote (considered by many to be the standard of Civil war documentation) the war is referred to as the War of Northern Aggression thirty nine times in the three volumes. It is also commmonly used in the memoirs of Lee, Longstreet, and the war history wrote by Jefferson Davis. And a quick look on google books shows it is still used fairly regular in recent history. Although I do not know Bedford's reasoning for using the term, I find it perfectly acceptable to use it when the war is being referred in southern context. Anyone with a fair knowledge of the period knows that the north and the lincoln administration purposefully used terms to describe the war and the south that would avoid saying anything sounded as though individual states had sovereignty. And I am sure you have heard the term "the victors write the history". "American Civil War" was a term popularized after the 1870s-back then there was a debate going on as to whether the southern states where sovereign (which those using the term "American Civil War" said they were not sovereign) for the purpose of reintegrating the states politically into the union. Obviously this argument won the day as the southern states were reintegrated eventually. This is the same reason other common names for the war are not wide-spread, like "War of Southern Independence", or "War Between the States", two terms that ere widely used in the 1860s and 1870s. These terms, and any other that denoted the sovereignty of the south or individual states, were purposefully not used in official papers. Look at it like this - the British called the "American War for Independence" the "American Rebellion", had they won the war it would still be called the "War for Indpendance"? But if you are writing an article on the 1776 war or an article related to the British position do you think it is POV to say the British position considered the war a rebellion? And if this article was a bout a british memorial to dead in the revolution would it be incorrect to POV to say that it was a memorial to soldiers who died in the American Rebellion? - I think not, so long as the more common term is included. So in summary, I believe American Civil War is the best name for the war. But whenever it is being referred to in a southern context it is important and acceptable to show what the loosing side thought of the war. That said I would say removing "War of Northern Aggression" removes balance from the article and that in itself is what is POV. Charles Edward 11:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The most important thing here is that Bedford, as he says, never reverts over this issue... he merely starts articles using this term and doesn't edit war when people change it. That's not POV pushing... he doesn't agree with the term ACW so he just chooses not to use it, but doesn't make a fuss over people who do. A glance at the big ArbCom disputes on Wikipedia will reveal a lot of similar naming issues become massive problems when a genuine POV pusher is involved, this isn't once of those cases since there's no edit warring afoot. --Rividian (talk) 12:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * agreed Charles Edward 13:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Four thoughts for Bedford, some of which you have heard before: 1) American Civil War is the accepted neutral term on Wikipedia, using other names except in specific contexts (i.e. direct quotes or discussing alternate names) is very POV. Even Shelby Foote titled his book "The Civil War". 2) Using a direct link to War of Northern Aggression is a bad link (it is a redirect to Naming the American Civil War) as it does not link to the military conflict 3) As an administrator you are held to higher standards - we are supposed to clean up messes, not make more of them 4) I respect your work on Indiana State Parks and NRHP sites. I also repsect Ivo Shandor's work on Illinois state parks and NRHP sites. Your actions have driven him away - how does this better the encylcopedia? Ruhrfisch  <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Charles, certain books calling it by that name does not serve as a proper rationale for using the term here. This is an encyclopedia.  A more apt comparison would be seeing how many respected encyclopedias employ the term outside of very specific context.  You note that if a person were writing an article about the 1776 war from the British position, would we still use the War for Independence.  There are two problems with this comparison: 1) it was not a civil war, a term that implies no bias or specifics and is, by the very definition of the word, a FACT.  2) The entire idea of a "british position" is the very epitome of POV, is it not?  Even Bedford says that his reasoning behind using the term was to provide equal coverage which not only acknowledges that there is POV, and that the term is POV, but explicitly implies his intention to disseminate POV information on Wikipedia.  WP:NPOV is something I would think everyone is familiar with, especially administrators.  I fail to understand just what in the world can possess someone to think otherwise!


 * Portal:Kentucky/On this day...
 * Portal:Kentucky/On this day.../February 11
 * Portal:Kentucky/On this day.../May 16
 * Portal:Kentucky/On this day.../February 28
 * Portal:Kentucky/On this day.../May 20


 * Can anyone please explain to me why it is appropriate to use this term on the front page of a featured portal numerous times? Even for those who do not take issue with the use of the term in limited context, can anyone explain to me why the War of Northern Aggression was the more appropriate choice of the two? Broooooooce (talk) 14:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The entries have since been changed and redirected. Reason = WP:NPOV
 * (diff) (hist) . . Portal:Kentucky/On this day.../May 20‎; 08:08 . . (-8) . . Ruhrfisch (Talk | contribs) (Proper name - see WP:NPOV)
 * (diff) (hist) . . Portal:Kentucky/On this day.../May 16‎; 08:08 . . (-8) . . Ruhrfisch (Talk | contribs) (Proper name - see WP:NPOV)
 * (diff) (hist) . . Portal:Kentucky/On this day.../February 28‎; 08:07 . . (-8) . . Ruhrfisch (Talk | contribs) (Proper name - see WP:NPOV)
 * (diff) (hist) . . Portal:Kentucky/On this day.../February 11‎; 08:06 . . (-8) . . Ruhrfisch (Talk | contribs) (Proper name - see WP:NPOV)
 * etc, etc.
 * This does not, however, address the underlying greater problem. As an administrator, I need Bedford to understand that this is not appropriate.  This belief otherwise guides choices and edits and a misguided justification is all it takes to have further negative consequences on the encyclopedia.  I feel that I am within my rights to ask that Bedford state implicitly that he has no intention of continuing in such a way. Broooooooce (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 15:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, Charles and Rividian: An edit war is not a prerequisite for POV pushing. Broooooooce (talk) 15:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I do not want to interject myself to much more into this as I do pretend to know Bedford's reasoning. But let me also say that this is the first I heard anyone say Bedford has POV towards the southern persuasion. In fact, in reading some of his articles I had considered just the opposite that his position was towards the northern persuasion. And also let also clarify my position: I do completely agree that the normative name should be American Civil War because it is the most commonly used name, and other names should only be used to provide context to the southern position.


 * But I don't understand how a civil war article can be presented without in some way stating the position of opposing sides. To suggest the southern states where not (and are still not) sovereign (which the term Civil War suggests) is factually incorrect by the definition of federalism. This concept has pretty well been lost in the last 75 years, but in the 1860s each state truely did consider itself sovereign, so a war between them would not be a "Civil War" it would be just a "War". For example, the EU is now made up many sovereign countries but they have one central federal government, at this point in their development if they had a war between members it would be a civil war because each state is sovereign. Now this is no longer the case in the United States as the federal government has now become significantly far more powerful than the sovereign state governments. But this was not the case in 1860. This is a valid and generally accepted point by Civil War historians. Foote actually has a section in his book where he specifically talks about this and the naming of the war. If you would like to discuss this point with me further you are welcome to do so on my talk page. Charles Edward 15:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I never stated that the position of opposing sides should not be noted, that's really rather obvious. I also think that stating opposing positions can be achieved without necessitating different naming conventions.  I do not feel that Bedford was using the term in an attempt to illustrate the different positions of involved parties--if this were the case, the usage would have been found in a relevant article (hopefully in a context simliar to: " ..., called the "War of Northern Aggression by many southerners, ..." not on places such as the Kentucky Portal front page. Broooooooce (talk) 16:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, what is going on here? I came upon this discussion accidentally, but don't see reason for a lot of heat. Recently i created an article naming it "List of Registered Historic Places in the City of Angels" knowing that was a bit informal to use a nickname for the city, pretty much anticipating that others would change it or would want me change it to use "Los Angeles" instead. Mostly, I just felt like naming it that way; i thot it was more interesting sounding. I did change it to "Los Angeles" after i encountered some comments about it and saw that it would not achieve DYK recognition with informal name. I consider Bedford's choice to use the WNA phrase to be pretty much like that, that yes someone will probably come along and change it to American Civil War, but that is not such a big deal. By the way, I value Bedford's contributions on Civil War-related NRHPs, I have been cooperating with him on a number of articles, and I supported him in his starting to develop numerous articles on the Confederate monuments covered in one big document, the "National Register of Historic Places Multiple Property Submission: Civil War Monuments in Kentucky", which he continues to work on. I think it is fine if he has selective interests, like we all do. I also value Ivoshandor and Ruhrfisch's contributions and opinions and have recently come across Broooooce's new NRHP articles which i like, too.

Offhand, I don't think any big discussion needs to go on here. Rather can we just observe there are some differences of opinion, already aired. Ruhrfisch gives some feedback which sounds valid, altho i am not an administrator and am not knowledgeable about admin responsibilities. But no one has done anything that reprehensible, no one needs to apologize or make any promises, there is nothing wrong here, in my view. If i were a cop i would be saying: Move along, please, nothing to see! doncram (talk) 07:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * In no way do I mean to diminish from the vast amount of truly significant quality contributions Bedford has made to Wikipedia, nor am I seeking an apology (although the requested assurance would have been nice, it's not necessary). I've said what I came to say and unless Bedford decides to continue using the POV term, the matter is, in my mind, resolved.  Broooooooce (talk) 15:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Georgia Barnstar
Thanks for the Barnstar, Bedford! Reb (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome.-- Bedford <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  18:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Fahrenheit/Celsius spelling correction
Thank you so much (quite seriously!) for correcting my spelling in my contribution on the Fahrenheit page. How embarassing... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ds9kicks (talk • contribs)

DYK nom of Bangladeshi intelligence community
Hi Bedford - I just want to let you know that I have addressed Daniel Case's concern regarding this May 20 nomination - this is the changed nomination. I hope this is accepted for DYK. Thanks, <font face="Verdana"><font color="Red">Vishnava <font color="Blue"> talk  17:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I made my comments on the template page. Good luck.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  17:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have made these changes (see hook on Bedford's comment below yours). Please have a look now, <font face="Verdana"><font color="Red">Vishnava <font color="Blue"> talk  17:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Unnecessarily combative, condescending, and insulting remarks
I am requesting that you cease speaking to me in ways that I feel violate WP:CIV and WP:NPA (such as you have on the DYK template talk page). In my limited experience on Wikipedia, I have found you to be the least welcoming and most insulting user I have encountered. You actions, I feel, reflect poorly on administrators as a group. Broooooooce (talk) 02:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Remember that old adage about one shouldn't point due to four fingers pointing back at oneself? I recommend you reflect on that. You're the one that needs courses on CIV and NPA. *rolls eyes* -- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  02:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

MedCab notice
Hi, Bedford. I am curious why you removed the medcab notice from your talk page, even tho it says, "Please do not remove or change this message until the issue is settled". Curiously yours, Bstone (talk) 03:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it was nothing but vandalism on Brooooooooooooooce's part.-- Bedford <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  03:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you have a poor definition of vandalism. I find your actions to be plainly against policy and you've clearly violated WP:CIV and WP:NPA. Bstone (talk) 03:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, y'all have. Ivo started it with his temper tantrum, and y'all have done everything you could to encourage him to do such actions in the future, including trying to intimidate me.  Because I do not cater to you, you go through this nonsense.  Quite frankly, y'all should stop stalking me.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  03:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have asked for Wikiquette Alerts to look over this disagreement so that we can achieve some sort of resolution. Ivo is irrelevant to your violations of WP:NPOV, WP:CIV, WP:AGF, and WP:NPA.  Your perception that this is all a part of the "tantrum" does not give you carte blanche to find so many different ways to call me stupid in public when I have not uttered one insult toward you.  Broooooooce (talk) 03:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Your user page
I move-protected your user page. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I thought about doing it myself, but it's better if someone else does it.  This vandalism is coming from a website I have not been on for six years; talk about some people holding a strong prejudice against particular individuals for some time.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  05:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've move protected all your talk page archives as well, as they were move vandalised. <b style="color:#FF0000;">Hut 8.5</b> 17:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Harassment campaign
Delaylucky has apparently promised a harassment campaign against you. Considering he is a sockpuppet, I'd look out for any user resembling his actions. Just a heads up.  weburiedoursecrets inthegarden  14:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh...the joys of being an admin. :)  --  <font face="Georgia"><font color="#E98307">Me  <font color="#E98307">Holla! 16:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's because I did some slumming some six years ago and the creeps there found me here.-- Bedford <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  16:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

MMfA
I just noticed I overwrote a change you made on Bill O'Reilly (commentator). For the record, I think your change is fine too, but see the Talk page there for my explanation. --BunnyColvin (talk) 16:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Confederate government of Kentucky
I'd love to see that article featured on the home page. I'd been waiting for December, but I think yours is a defensible date choice. To be honest, I've just about given up hope of getting anything on TFA. Having five spots for thirty days is a terrible system, but the powers-that-be seem unwilling to change it, so I've just about given up TFA to the wiki-stalkers. Good luck on getting it featured; I'll try to watch for you to nominate it so I can lend my support. Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 12:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I notice now that you just went straight to Raul. That's way more efficient! :) Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 12:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To paraphrase an old phase: "For other men, it may be impossible, but with Bedford, all things are possible." I think Raul was running behind in getting them done, and having an easy choice for TFA on June 3rd made his life easy.-- Bedford  <sup style="color:pink;">Pray  16:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)