User talk:Belfasty

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 * C.Fred - I'm trying to remove the content or page due to ongoing legal matters.Can you assist? Belfasty (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You'll need to provide some extensive reliable sources to state that her age was fabricated, as well as her caps for the Northern Ireland football team. —C.Fred (talk) 13:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The details within the page could be used to harass and form part of ongoing legal matters and therefore any personal details are not authorised for content on this page. I represent the subject named and request immediate deletion of the page and content. Belfasty (talk) 13:25, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're trying to pursue the right to erasure angle, see https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/transparency/2020-1/requests-for-content-alteration-and-takedown/#section-4 —C.Fred (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * But the DOB, as well as her international caps for NI, were readily verified at the three sources in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 13:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * C.Fred, I'm not discussing legal matters in this forum. I'm not saying they are accurate or inaccurate; I'm saying they need removed. They breach UK GDPR laws for a start to have personal details such as a full DOB there but in any event the article needs removed urgently, and the areas I adjusted where crucial to it. I've requested it's removal, I also seen the link you have sent me, but there is nowhere to request deletion. I ask again for you to raise this with administrators as a matter of urgency. Belfasty (talk) 13:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed WP:DOB, and Smith's notability is minor enough that there is no need for her full DOB in her article; I've reduced that to just year of birth.The problem with your deletion request is it's not within the guidelines of why editors—or administrators, for that matter—would delete an article. The only people who could address a matter of that nature would be the Volunteer Response Team. See that link for email information. —C.Fred (talk) 14:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * C.Fred, Thank you for assistance. I'm trying to raise the request under consition G10. Other sites are equally under review for being removed. Belfasty (talk) 14:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To be frank, the article, as it is written, is not an attack article. Or, if you are suggesting that to be linked to Northern Ireland athletics is an attack, then it may become necessary to escalate this matter to other administrators, as content related to The Troubles, broadly construed, is a contentious topic and subject to a stronger set of restrictions. Further if you continue to hold yourself out as editing on behalf of Smith, it may be necessary—for the protection of Smith herself—to block your account until your identity is verified by the Volunteer Response Team. This is especially true since your AfD request and these discussions introduce more and more about her into Wikipedia page histories and could lead to a Streisand effect situation. —C.Fred (talk) 17:31, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I appreciate what you are saying, although respectfully, you do not have the information I have to put it into context and realise the significance of the content. I cannot say any more on a public forum. I have offered more detail to WP:Oversight, but it may not meet their criteria either. I realise my naivety in seeking removal easily without able to give full explanation, but the existing systems offer me no way of providing more context due to the public nature of the commentary and where I've tried to show legal concerns, I did not realise this was in breach of rules and importantly it was not meant to be a threat, more so trying to explain the seriousness and I apologise if that's how it has come across. You can appreciate i'm having to balance the Streisand effect you highlight with everything else in this case, and whilst I understand the threat of blocking, this would only heighten the issue by leaving no means to provide adequate answers for yourself and others to consider in this case. This is the only page i'm seeking deletion from, and it is not something I am overly familiar with. Equally, in line with the WP:Graham's hierarchy of disagreement, this issue and my request is being contradicted by those, who with respect, have little or no supporting evidence to counter the information I have, but which I cannot share with them as it is not suitable for the public forum. I've no idea how to get around some of these challenges if i'm honest. Belfasty (talk) 11:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Belfasty You need to share those details with Oversight. You didn't provide any specifics that could be used as a reason. Perhaps if you do that either you will succeed or get a specific answer why your information isn't sufficient. Make the legal matters explicit. We Oversighters aren't going to make the details of your email public. Doug Weller  talk 12:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Doug Weller: Not involved in this, but noticed the debate via the article's listing in a group I'm in (Women in Red) on its AfD monitoring page. Wanted to mention that if the DOB is an issue, it's on the arz Wikipedia page also. Don't know what's going on - not my business, really; just wanted to make sure if there was something needing to be done to the en page that the arz page doesn't get overlooked in the wash.
 * Hope you're having a lovely day. Cheers!
 * OIM20 (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Doug Wellerand @OIM20 - the matter has been raised with Oversight: Emergency; CA; and Legal - with rationale being explained to include specific reasoning. If either of you can assist then let me know. Belfasty (talk) 10:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I read your posts to Oversight, not enough detail to justify any action. Doug Weller  talk 18:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Doug Weller, that must have been the first correspondence before the details where fully shared. A lot more detail provided since, including police report and request, but directed to Emergency and CA as per the request from Wikimedia. Further copy sent to Legal, if you can assist then please let me know. Belfasty (talk) 20:23, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I can only see Oversight material as that is handled by a small number of Oversight Admind. Doug Weller  talk 20:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @OIM20 There's really nothing we can do about other language Wikipedias. Doug Weller  talk 10:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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Please help me with... Belfasty (talk) 13:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

August 2023
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