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Hello, could you compare the page of BASK Beograd with FK Šumadija 1903. On both pages the teams claim to have won a match with 9-0, one in 1905 and the other in 1906. You wrote the article about BASK. Where did you get your sources and which article is the right one Waterloo1974 16:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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Cyrillic
I have opened a discussion here in order to archive consensus and I have been inviting participants of that Cyrillic-dispute to provde their opinion there. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 07:55, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Please Beli Orlov, as a wiki-editor you are supposed to partake in discussions with other users and form the basis for compromise. Wikipedia is not your way or the highway. No one objects to the Cyrillic script but Serbian is not the only official language in the RS, and the Cyrillic script is not only used by Serbian. By writing Serbian Cyrillic in every article you convey the false message that Serbian is the only official language which is unacceptable. You have already been invited to participate in a discussion but you seem to have turned it down and instead headed out on a path of uncompromising edit warring. If you continue ignoring other users' invitations for discussion and continue forcing through your edits by edit warring you are making yourself guilty of vandalism. It is my duty to warn you of this so that you may rectify your behavior before a report is filed against you. A potential block will effectively also affect any new accounts you may create to circumvent it. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ ( TALK ) 22:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand why you have so much animosity towards Serbs in Bosnia being able to use their language. They are legally allowed to and it is an official language of the country. Denying them of that is immoral. I have never went to a town where the majority was Bosniak or Croat and tried to edit the page and change their language to say 'Serbian'. Bosniaks in 'Zenica' for example have a right to say that they speak Bosnian and I would never go on that page and try and tell them otherwise. You however are trying to remove any reference to anything Serbian even when it is clearly the dominant language in the region or town, and yet you claim to be neutral. Furthermore, even if the town of Bijeljina is written in Bosnian with the Cyrillic alphabet used then it is from the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. So whether the town is written in Bosnian or Serbian and it is written in Cyrillic it is using the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. The Serbian Cyrillic alphabet is the standard Cyrillic alphabet for both Bosnian and Serbian. You seem to be the only person that I've stumbled across that has a problem with this and I don't understand why this bothers you so much. Please read the Bosnian language/Serbian Cyrillic alphabet articles to better understand.
 * Thank you for replying, but I am afraid you operate on false assumptions. There are no "Bosniak", "Croat" or "Serb" towns in Bosnia and Herzegovina since the constitution clearly states that Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats are all constituent nations on every square inch of Bosnia and Herzegovina regardless of entity. So every town is Bosniak, Serb and Croat collectively. I also think you're abusing the word immoral when you so gladly point out the Serb majority in towns in RS which actually had a Bosniak majority just some 21 years ago. We all know the background to why Bosniaks no longer make up the majority there, and it is of highly immoral reasons. Regardless of what, demographics are irrelevant when it comes to what the Bosnian constitution has to say. Yes Bosnian uses the Cyrillic script officially, but refers to it only as "Cyrillic" and not "Serbian Cyrillic", in similarity with SFR Yugoslavia who also only referred to the script as Cyrillic. No one is denying the Serbs or the Serbian language their official status in Bosnia and Herzegovina, but stop for a second and think about the impression a reader receives when for example reading the article on Bijeljina and only seeing Serbian Cyrillic? The impression is that Serbian is the only official language in the region, which is false. That is why we cannot have such an emphasis on Serbian without somehow also mentioning Bosnian and Croatian as well. For Bijlejina is not a Serb town, but also Bosniak and Croat, like the rest of Bosnia and Herzegovina - such is the constitution. That is why the current "Serbianization" is unacceptable. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ ( TALK ) 22:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I think I understand your stance now, you are upset at events that took place over two decades ago and that has caused you to have these discriminatory views. The word Serbian bothers you and any sense of recognition would be some sort of Anti-Bosnian action. Instead of building toward a future and recognizing each other you prefer to hide and/or distort facts along ethnic lines. Again let's please try and reason here. Standard Croatian does not have a Cyrillic alphabet so that is why it is not mentioned. Bosnian and Serbian use the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. Saying Serbian Cyrillic just means that the alphabet being used to spell that word is from that alphabet. It can bother you, upset you, offend you even but it is fact. Standard Serbian and Bosnian use Serbian Cyrillic and trying to mask that is immoral because you are hiding the truth from people just because of your animosity or prejudice against Serbs. I am simply emphasizing the truth!
 * Well, safe to say, your interpretation of my reply is highly subjective. Wikipedia is meant to accurately convey information, and while Serbian may be the majority language in Bijeljina it is not the only official one. Unilaterally recognizing Serbian is indeed an anti-constitutional action, what else? Because of these connotations a majority of editors agree on [ [Serbian Cyrillic| Cyrillic] ] in the ongoing discussion. Either we give the whole truth or avoid discussing it altogether. As part of the wikipedia community you are expected to abide by the consensus. Alternatively, I have created name sections dealing specifically with the matter, I'm sure you've seen it already. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ ( TALK ) 19:01, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

@Beli Orlov, instead of engaging in particular dialogue and edit-warring, it is way more productive to partcipate in a discussion that I pointed to you in my previous thread here. Most editors that are involved are discussing the issue there, including Praxis Icosahedron. He already expressed his view there, so should you, because otherwise you can be seen as acting unilaterally and not wnting to engage in consensus building. FkpCascais (talk) 01:20, 22 December 2013 (UTC) Grrrrr... I am sorry, I just noteced I gave you a bad link in my previous thread. My mistake. Here is where the discussion is taking place. FkpCascais (talk) 01:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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