User talk:BelindaMokhandaPSA

November 2023
Hello BelindaMokhandaPSA. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:BelindaMokhandaPSA. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. 331dot (talk) 09:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Good day
 * I work at the PSA in the Communications section and I am not directly or indirectly compensated for the edits.
 * My colleague, JaquesBlomPSA, was requested to delete the page as directed by the PSA GM and I believe that he was in contact with you.
 * Please advise if it is still impossible to get the page deleted.
 * Regards BelindaMokhandaPSA (talk) 11:06, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You say you work at the PSA- that is paid editing, you do not need to be specifically paid to make edits(otherwise every paid editor would deny being specifically paid to edit). If you work in communications editing Wikipedia clearly falls within your job duties.  You must make the paid editing disclosure.
 * I will quote what I told your colleague; " article subjects do not get to exclusively decide if there is an article about them on Wikipedia or not. Donald Trump would probably like False or misleading statements by Donald Trump as well as the article about him personally deleted, but he doesn't get to decide that. It's a community matter. If you are representing your organization here, that is sufficient in terms of who can express the views of the organization.  You will need to make the paid editing disclosure on your user page(User:JacquesBlomPSA) soon.
 * The article shouldn't merely be displaying content from your organization's website- it should primarily be summarizing what independent reliable sources state about your organization. Currently, it doesn't do that, so deletion may be a possibility, but it depends on how much coverage your organization receives in independent reliable sources. Unions, especially those in a visible area like public employees or actors, often receive much coverage(see the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike and SAG-AFTRA) so if your union receives coverage, it will be very hard to get the article deleted. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And if it were deleted, it would not be retained with a link to your website- it would be removed completely."
 * If you want to argue that your organization does not meet the definition of a notable organization, deletion may be possible after a community discussion. I think that may be difficult to argue- perhaps South Africa is different, but in the US where I'm from, labor unions or other labor groups are often in the news and receive much coverage in independent reliable sources, so they are usually notable. 331dot (talk) 11:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)