User talk:BelindaVanDyk

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Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

 * Hi BelindaVanDyk! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission.  I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Start Page
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 * The Teahouse new editor help space
 * Wikipedia Help pages

-- 16:10, Sunday, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Exxon Fire.jpg
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License tagging for File:Portrait of A. J. Meek with His Camera, by Jim Zietz.jpg
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Your submission at Articles for creation: A. J. Meek (September 19)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Worldbruce was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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Worldbruce (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: A. J. Meek (October 11)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Onel5969 was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:A. J. Meek and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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 Onel 5969  TT me 12:55, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: A. J. Meek (October 26)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Onel5969 was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:A. J. Meek and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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 Onel 5969  TT me 02:26, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: A. J. Meek (November 1)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Bearcat was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:A. J. Meek and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Bearcat (talk) 17:32, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

How to proceed with draft
Hi Belinda, I noticed that Draft: A. J. Meek was declined again. Sometimes the Articles for Creation process can feel like being trapped in a whirlpool. I can try to provide concrete advice about how to move forward, but would ask you to do two things first: Worldbruce (talk) 02:55, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please carefully review Conflict of interest. If you have a close connection to Meek, declare it on your user page and on the draft's talk page as described in the "Declaring an interest" section. You don't have to be super specific, it can be something general like "I am a relative of A. J. Meek" or "A. J. Meek is a client of mine." Make clear, however, whether you are simply someone in their circle, someone who might benefit financially from promoting the subject, or someone being paid to edit Wikipedia.
 * Study the notability inclusion criteria for artists and authors once more. Identify which one of the four criterion you can most easily prove Meek meets, and state 3-4 independent, reliable, secondary sources that prove it with significant coverage of Meek.

A. J. Meek

 * 1) Reference #10 ("louisianabooknews.blogspot.com") is a blog.
 * 2) Press releases cannot demonstrate notability, for Wikipedia's purposes, regardless of who wrote them. This is not a question of whether his work has merit or not — public relations materials distributed by the topic themselves, or by organizations directly affiliated with them (such as the company that published his books), cannot in and of themselves override the need to reference the article to media coverage of him. The appropriate referencing for a book that he wrote is a newspaper or magazine article about him which names the book, or a newspaper or magazine review of the book — the book's own sales page on the website of the publishing company that put it out is not enough, because its core purpose is to promote and sell the book rather than to cover it in an objective and neutral way.
 * 3) Not a single one of the media outlets you asked about in that question is actually being cited as a reference for anything in the article — they're simply listed in a contextless and inappropriate "further reading" section that isn't consistent with how to properly reference a Wikipedia article. That's why they're not counting as "references" at this point — you didn't use them as "references".
 * 4) Museums and galleries that are exhibiting his work are still, by virtue of exhibiting his work, affiliated organizations that are not sufficiently independent of him — just like the publishing company, the gallery's core purpose is to promote the show and get people through their own front door, not to cover his art in an objective and neutral way. Again, this is not a question of whether his work has merit or not — nobody ever said that it doesn't — but appropriate sourcing for a Wikipedia article has to be fully independent of him.
 * 5) We don't actually have any requirement that references for a Wikipedia article be available online — if you have access to print-only media coverage that is more consistent with our reliable sourcing rules, then you are allowed to use that for sourcing as long as you provide complete citation details (e.g. "Title of article". Publication Name, Date. Page number if possible. for a newspaper or magazine article, or Author, Book Title. Publishing Company, Year. ISBN Number. Page number if possible. for a book) so that somebody can track it down if they need to verify the details of what it said. If you've got print coverage that satisfies our reliable sourcing rules, then by all means bring it on.

The core issue is that we don't allow anybody, no matter how talented or worthy they may be, to keep an article that's based exclusively or even mostly on their own public relations materials — the article needs to be properly supported by media coverage. It's not that he can never have an article, I assure you — it's just that the quality of sourcing needed to get him an article hasn't been adequately demonstrated yet, which isn't the same thing. Bearcat (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: A. J. Meek has been accepted
 A. J. Meek, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. . Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! LaMona (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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