User talk:Belleriviere

Hello Belleriviere, welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to join the community. Drop us a note at New user log so we can meet you and help you get started. If you need editing help, visit How to edit a page. For format questions, visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Help or add a question to the Newcomers' Village pump. And of course, feel free to talk with me or ask questions on my talk page. Enjoy! --Crampy20 14:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to use Wikipedia for advertising, as you did in Obesity, you will be blocked from editing. Nunquam Dormio 08:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I wish you would reconsider. My credentials include full licensure to practice medicine and surgery in the United States (New York) where D.O.'s (doctors of osteopathic medicine) are granted full medical privileges, unlike in other countries. I am now retired and enjoy reporting on developments in medical research. My statistical records on your recent two visits to my website may be in error but they show that the amount of time you spent on the website was less than a second. How are you able to form a judgement like this so quickly? The articles I summarized (from respected scientific journals) discussed relevant, important, and signficant research in the field of obesity and it is a bit of a shame that people who visit Wikipedia now have a reduced access to this important, authoritative, and essential research.Belleriviere 14:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Your question on Help desk
Hi Bellerviviere, your question on the helpdesk has been answered. Please let me know if you have any further questions. -- Lost (talk) 17:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome and thanks (re your request for help and clarification
The following is from User:Pedant :

Your AMA request for help
Belleriviere, hi, welcome to the project!!! I saw your message on the advocate's noticeboard. As one of the AMA volunteers, I watch the noticeboard, hoping to have a chance to help. This is a long message, please read it all, though, somewhere in here is the help you need, or how to find the help you need... if not, a link to my talk page is at the bottom, and if you ask, I'll help you find the help you need.

Obese article is often abused
As I'm sure you understand, obesity is a complex and sensitive issue. As a doctor, you are probably aware that there is a lot of quackery associated with obesity. Please forgive the wikipedia for an abrupt and harsh lack of acceptance of your website, but the author removing your link meant well.

It may be that your site is relevant and useful, however wikipedia is often subject to people adding links to sites for reasons other than trying to make the article better. The following 3 comments were added to the text just this week.:


 * FAT PEOPLE ARE OBESE


 * tom ryan is obese cos he eats n eats n eats n eats. thats him in the pic on the right. the obese man


 * Am J Clin Nutr An example of someone in the obese catogery would be Paul 'the m'parole' Tysoe

... for just 3 examples. Vandalism is sadly a part of wikipedia, and hundreds or thousands of us spend a significant part of our time on the project, finding and removing it. One of the ways that questionable edits are 'detected' is by watching for similar patterns of edits, for instance, an edit by a relatively new user to a topic such as Obesity.

Your link to your website
Your addition was spotted and in the opinion of the other editor, was unauthoritative. It also is an ad-driven site, so one might suppose that a link to the site, added by the site's owner, would be added to wikipedia for the sole purpose of increasing revenue. (Whether this is true or not is beyond the scope of this message.)

Who am I?
I'm one of the editors who attempt to save wikipedia resources, by volunteering to help with these minor editing disputes, and by helping to explain policies -- I also can help editors express themselves to other editors in the context of those policies, that is one of the things what the Association of Member Advocates does...

I personally am unqualified to judge your site, however, the editor who removed your link is also a doctor, and I am confident that their intent was appropriate... they could still be wrong, or right, I am not really commenting on that.

At this point, I'm just here to help you get settled in with a minimum of misunderstanding.

Some helpful reading
It might be helpful to read our guidelines, and this essay may be helpful in introducing them to you. It tells why we have several of our fundamental policies, and has links to them.

One policy is 'no original research' which is one that as a doctor you will encounter often, and a corrolary applies to editors citing themselves, and how to determine a reputable publication. Wikipedia, as an encyclpedia, is intended to be a secondary source of information, which references reliable primary sources of verifiable information.

Is your link appropriate?
If, after reading the policies mentioned above, you feel that your website follows the reliable sources guideline and is a 'reputable publication' and not 'original research', consider whether it is appropriate, to link to it from the perspective of "will other editors consider a link to the site to be appropriate" (in terms of linking to advertisement-driven sites).

Will others think your link is appropriate?
Since anyone can edit, anything added to wikipedia must make it past the scrutiny of thousands of others, so making sure your content is appropriate is essential to acheiving what I call a 'stable edit' -- one that does not get deleted or substantially changed. Stable edits are what makes up the bulk of the best articles.

Would a different link be better?
It might be useful in terms of the main goal &mdash; which, summed up, is to write a good encyclopedia &mdash; to consider an alternate source for specific information or to cite the actual material that is relevant to the article, rather than just put a link into the external links section.

What to do now?
If you still feel that your link is appropriate, you can discuss it with other editors. Generally speaking, discussing controversial additions or deletions to a given article's content should be done on the article's talk page:

User:Jfdwolff's talk page
User:Jfdwolff, as a colleague of yours, felt that your link was inappropriate, and removed it, and if you wish, you may contact him on his talk page and discuss it. Bear in mind that civility is a requirement by policy, and it is important to stay civil, simply because tha community needs civility in order to function.

Obesity's talk page
It is even more appropriate to discuss controversial edits on the article's talk page, which in the case of the Obesity article is here: Talk:Obesity. Be assured that anything you write on the talk page will be read by your collaborators, especially so with a very active article such as Obesity. Be patient, it may take a day or more for all the active contributor's to the article to see and reply to your comments... especially on a long holiday weekend (which this weekend is, in the U.S.).

If you need more help
If you need any more help, please feel free to contact me on my talk page, if I cannot help you, I'll find someone who can. You're not alone here. Welcome to wikipedia, I look forward to reading your contributions, since I'm somewhat obese myself. User:Pedant 18:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome
You are most welcome. Please do let me know if you need any further assistance. BTW, please post your comments at the bottom of talk pages. The best way to do so is to use the + sign at the top (near the headers userpage, discussion, etc.). That will ensure that your contribution begins with a new topic. -- Lost (talk) 19:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome.
You're very welcome, it's nothing new for a new editor to run into something like this in the first few edits. Le t me know if you need help finding anything, whatever help you need is available. User:Pedant 19:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)