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Re:Your review to my Article on Rommana Integrated Agile ALM
Thank you for reviewing my article. in your review, you say "We're sorry, but we cannot accept insourced articles, or sources that are not reliable per the verifiability policy. Please cite reliable, third-party sources in the article. Third-party sources are needed so the information can be verified, and so the notability of the topic can be established."

From:  Magdyshanna  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magdyshanna (talk • contribs) 05:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Your review to my Article on Rommana Integrated Agile ALM

I am sure you can see that the 3 of the external references listed are published by "RELIABLE THIRD PART REFERENCE". The fourth reference is the simply the web site that provides more details about the subject. If you want us to remove it, that is fine. Also Reference number 4 under "References" is published by, SD Times, a very reputable third part source. If you want us to remove the other 3 references, we can do that. There are hundreds of articles out there on Wikipedia that that does not have one single reference from external verifiable source; only the company web site. See the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuildMaster for example. I can find too many of these for you if you want. I am just following the same criteria that our competitor followed and then article was accepted. I certainly do not want our article to be treated differently or evaluated based on a different criteria. If our article is not accepted, then all these articles need to be deleted. Please advise what you are looking for instead of copying general text from Wikipedia pages. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magdyshanna (talk • contribs) 05:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources you have given simply present largely self published information from 'Dr. Magdy Hanna'. Thank you for pointing out the buildmaster article. I have tagged the article's referencing as dubious and I will attempt to find some better sources for it. If I can't find any sources for it, it will be recommended for deletion. Also, I notice that you seem to have a conflict of interest in the article and your username may be in contravention of the username policy. Pol430  talk to me 11:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hello, not sure if it's OK to comment under this section... but I want to stress what Magdyshanna said: there are hundreds of articles out there on Wikipedia that that does not have one single reference from external verifiable source; only the company web. Being very familiar with the niche of application release automation, Rommana Integrated Agile ALM is indeed a notable platform in the space and should be included along with everything else. Or, delete everything including the highly-specific articles within software engineering, as none of them are notable outside of the niche and you can't really have a discussion on this topic without including the industry-leading projects, since that's who's driving everything anyway.Atpapa (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC).


 * Let's get one thing straight: I'm not the big bad wolf who is here to trash all your attempts at writing an article. I am a volunteer who tries to ensure that they review all articles on their individual merits, and ensure that they comply with Wikipedia policy and guidance. If I don't do that job properly, it will ultimately be to the detriment of the encyclopedia. I don't disagree that there are many articles that are on wikipedia that should not be there, but there it little I personally can achieve in fixing that problem. Presently there are pages on wikipedia,  of which are articles.  Pol430  talk to me 16:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand, but I'm just pointing you to the generally "hairiness" of the subtopics within software engineering. Generally speaking, software engineering topics don't seem to follow the same rules as the rest of Wikipedia, largely because of the contributor/editor bias: many are software developers themself, and therefore think everything in software engineering is generally notable. As you said, there aren't enough volunteers avaiable to clean up the mess. However, by trying to strictly following the guidlines in this niche, you're opening the door to an even bigger problem. While your vote for notability may not be swayed by a couple thouand dollars, other volunteers' will be.


 * I'm only suggesting that you consider following the de facto standards within the software engineering niche, which are a little looser than the rest of Wikipedia, as you may have noticed by now. Maybe one day all the articles can be moved to another wiki which would have much less strict notability guidelines.Atpapa (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC).

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New Wiki contributor looking for some advice
Hi. Thank you for looking at my opening attempts to get going on Wiki. I have done some minor editing before, but Jamie Rae is my first attempt at a biography. Please let me know what I need to do to make this more authoritative for inclusion. There are other sources available. I think Jamie Rae is an interesting person (I know him personally) to be featured as a Scottish business figure. I think Wiki is rather lacking in serious business people. His story has attracted numerous media articles. Thank you.82.41.44.201 (talk) 12:48, 28 December 2011 (UTC)Harry Sloan from Edinburgh82.41.44.201 (talk) 12:48, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, welcome to Wikipedia, your submission on Jamie Rae has the potential to be included in the encyclopedia. I declined it because he is not discussed in sufficient detail in reliable third party sources. He only appears to be notable for being convicted of fraud and for his philanthropy&mdash;for which there are no references. Because of this he does not appear to meet the notability guidelines for BLPs. I have sent a welcome message to your talk page to assist you in improving your submission. Pol430  talk to me 12:56, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

RE: BuildMaster AfD
Hi, thank you for reviewing my article on BuildMaster. I understand your concerns about notability, but if BuildMaster is not considered notable, then most of the niche software platforms on Wikipedia should also be deleted as not notable, too. Examples can be found linked to these pages:
 * Comparison of issue-tracking systems
 * Comparison of revision control software
 * Comparison of project management software

If you review those articles, you'll see that virtually all are single-sourced from the project's own website. For commercial products, articles will reference paid placement, press releases, and/or lists ("the top ten tools of ..."), which aren't considered reliable sources under most interpretations of notability. Are those articles acceptable?

Like most of the software platforms/tool, BuildMaster is most certainly notable within its own niche (some have argued that the niche itself is non-notable and should be merged into single paragraphs on the software engineering page), but finding reliable, non-project sources is difficult. A vague standard of "it feels like people don't talk about it as much as other tools" isn't exactly fair.

That being said, which niche tool articles do you find accetable? How can BuildMaster be improved? Atpapa (talk) 15:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, in order to make BuildMaster notable it requires some significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Primary sources can be used, but not at the expense of secondary sources. Simply because I have recommended the article for deletion does not mean it will be deleted; the Wikipedia community will now discuss the article and a consensus will be formed on weather it should be kept or deleted. I have checked the links you have pointed me to, and in a dip sample of about 6 articles, I found most had at least one good piece of coverage in secondary sources. Some of those articles did indeed rely only on primary sources, and I found a few that were tagged as 'not meeting the general notability guideline'; as to why those articles are on Wikipedia, I can only say that sometimes wikipedia's quality control mechanisms are not what they should be.


 * In the case of BuildMaster I do not feel that the subject meets the notability guidelines and I cannot find any sources that would correct that problem, that is why I nominated it for deletion. In regard to: "A vague standard of "it feels like people don't talk about it as much as other tools" isn't exactly fair." It is not a vague standard, it is policy, and I do not believe the standard has been met&mdash;other editors may disagree with me. As for those other similar articles that may not be notable, I have no intention of going on a mass review/deletion tagging exercise as this would over-burden and already over-burdened area of Wikipedia (and I don't have the time). The fact of the matter is, that Wikipedia is growing at a faster rate than the small group of volunteers who try to maintain it, can keep up with; and it has been doing for a number of years now. I do not believe that is exactly fair either, but it is not an easy problem to solve. Pol430  talk to me 16:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't think Wikipedia should be the portal for niche software engineering topics, as it's far too small for reliable sources. But it is, and articles like BuildMaster document important aspects of the discipline. The only secondary sources will be articles are found in trade journals/sites written by people who work for the project. Not exactly notable or non-biased. So, if you propose to arbitrarily delete one article but ignore others in the space (like Go (software, which references only press releases and/or paid placements), then you're creating a much larger problem than quality control. How much will it cost to get an editor to vote to keep one non-notable article? What about voting to delete another non-notable article?


 * I think this speaks to the larger problem of considering vendor-driven disciplines like Build automation notable (as opposed to living in a completely separate wiki), but if editors arbitrarily delete one vendor's article for being non-notable, you'll start finding much bigger problems than quality control.Atpapa (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC).


 * It will not be arbitrarily deleted; if it is deleted at all, it will be the result of consensus. You appear to have a conflict of interest in the article. Pol430  talk to me 17:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

To: Pol 430 ( I wish we have a real name to use here) As I read the debate between you and other authors, I am now convinced that the lack of knowledge of the subject matter is causing editors like you to make uninformed and harmful comments about our article. I am not sure exactly how someone can determine if an article is notable or not, while he or she knows nothing about the subject being covered. It is frustrating to see that you are ignoring 4 different references written by independent reputable sources and simply looking at the fact that the author is the Chief Architect of the product. Is this this where you think the conflict of interest is coming from? The chief architect of a product is the most qualified person to write very accurate description as long as he/she stays away from marketing the product. Well, although it does not make any sense, we can simply ask another reputable author in the field to write the article. We can also remove the 3 or 4 references that are authored by that Chief Architect, although they are the only source of information out there about this breakthrough technology. Would that make you feel better? I am afraid that I am at a point where I strongly feel that if Wikipedia published less notable articles written by our competition and refuse to publish our article, this will harm everyone. You and all editors know that criteria regarding notability is not as precise as you think and it is very much left up to the editor to interpret it anyway they want. The trouble now is when an interpretation leads to a discriminating decision. On a different note: You say my user name violates the user name policy. Please explain. Please also explain where you see the conflict of interest is coming from. But, most importantly, explain why you believe this article is not notable. I wrote you a long email message and you never responded. So, maybe posting this edit will get a respond. Looking forward to your assistance to improve this article and get it published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magdyshanna (talk • contribs) 06:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If I can hop in here for a minute, I just want to warn you about referring to something as "our". It infers ownership, which goes against the spirit of WP:OWN. Also, be aware that Wikipedia is not just for people who are into one specific thing. It's for everyone, which is part of the reason you need to have sources to back everything up. You can't assume that because something is known within a niche that it's known to everyone or even that it's notable to everyone. The fact is that in order to have an article on Wikipedia, you need to have reliable third party sources. It's strict, but that's how Wikipedia works. As far as conflict of interest goes, that's a tricky situation. It's pretty easy for someone to have a COI and not even notice it. For example, I work for a company that has had some news articles written about them, but not enough to make it notable per WP:CORP. However, I don't realize that these sources aren't enough (not reliable enough and/or not enough of them) to qualify it and write the article, which gets sent for deletion despite me claiming that my company is notable within it's area. My conflict of interest is that because I have a personal interest in the group, I don't really see how my company doesn't meet notability guidelines. I'm emotionally tied up in the article. The same thing would apply if I was writing about someone I knew. COI is normally brought in because of neutrality reasons, but it can apply to sourcing as well. I'm not sure if either of you are personally involved in the pages you're discussing, but it's just so easy for things to seem personal when you're writing about something you have a vested interest in. That's why even though it's not banned, it's discouraged for someone to write about something or someone they're involved with. What I recommend is that you look into seeing if anyone from WikiProject Software could help find more reliable sources. (Note that you should ask them to help you find sources, not to ask them enmasse to vote on the AfD. That's seen as canvassing per WP:CANVAS.) Even if the article(s) do get deleted, you might want to look into seeing if you can userfy the article and continue to seek assistance until more reliable sources can be found. Just make sure that if it is kept, you continue to look for more sources to prove notability or it will inevitably get brought up for deletion again for the same reasons. I noticed that Atpapa only came back on once his article came up for deletion a year later, so I must emphasize that you can never assume that anyone else will find or add reliable sources for you. Always assume that you will be the only person contributing to the article and that it will be deleted tomorrow if you don't properly source and write the article. As for Magdyshanna, I also recommend that you look into getting someone from WikiProject Software to help you with proper sourcing for the article as well as making it more encyclopedic. While I admit that I'm no Roberta Williams, I can see where Pol430's rationale was for your article. It needs a lot of work and while I don't think it's hopeless, he's right in that it'd get eaten alive in a speedy delete or AfD discussion. Again, WikiProject Software would be a great place for you to seek resources and assistance.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:47, 29 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79

Robert Edwin Newbery MC
Removal of 'orphan' tag: The tag was removed because I linked him to 'officers of the Machine Gun Corps', which I am researching. If this is mistaken then please accept my apologies and feel free to reinstate the 'Orphan' tag. BritAirman (talk) 23:03, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, that's not quite the meaning of the term orphan. An orphaned article is one that has no links from other articles. In order to stop it from being an orphan, it is necessary to goto a related article and link that article to the orphaned one. I only questioned your edit because sometimes people deliberately remove maintenance tags without addressing the problems, because they don't like the look of them&mdash;which is very much frowned upon. If, when viewing an article, you look at the toolbar on the left side of the Wikipedia window, you will see a 'toolbox' section and an option for 'what links here' clicking on that will tell you what articles link to the one you are viewing. Rather than re-add the tag I'll try and de-orphan it. Pol430  talk to me 23:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining, I am new to this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BritAirman (talk • contribs) 23:27, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I have de-orphaned the article. Welcome to Wikipedia Pol430  talk to me 00:41, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Articles for Creation
I've just left  a message in reply  to  your post  at  WT:AFCP. If you  can demonstrate that with the combination of your AfC moves and  your own four creations, you  can meet the threshold for autopatrolled, I  would review those articles, and based on  my  findings, I  might  be prepared to  IAR and grant  you  the autopatrolled flag. BTW: Nice to see you  back :)  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:47, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kudpung. I'm not sure I have enough AfC creations at the moment; but I'll let you know when I think I do :) Pol430  talk to me 09:06, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Royal Military Police
You said: ''Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Royal Military Police, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Pol430 talk to me 19:59, 27 December 2011 (UTC)'' I reply with: Sorry to have left unreferenced chnages to an article, which is littered with inaccuracies and carries few citations or references. If I were to reference every change the article would consist of nothing more than footnotes. I am a senior serving MP officer with an acknowledge expertise in RMP history and have been published in journals etc on this subject. May I now be permitted to edit the article on the RMP (and on Provost Marshals)if I place some references? Thank you, praepositus (92.19.245.105 (talk) 11:24, 31 December 2011 (UTC)).
 * You are welcome to edit the article as long as the edit is made in accordance with policy and guidance, as you are connected to the subject you have a conflict of interest. This does not prevent you from helping to improve the article, but please bear-in-mind the requirement to write from a neutral point of view. Any information added must be verifiable; this is different from truth and is a founding principle of Wikipedia. Verifiability is achieved by citing reliable sources. It is not necessary to turn the article into a mass of footnotes in order to make the content verifiable&mdash;more info on citation styles can be found at WP:CITE. Finally, please remember to leave a brief edit summary when editing, this helps others understand what changes have been made. I have sent a welcome message to your account talk page, this contains links that may be of assistance to you. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask me on this page. Welcome to wikipedia Pol430  talk to me 11:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * I have replied at your talk page. Pol430  talk to me 23:15, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

He withdraws the insole J BRITO
Friend pol430 already I him put references of a very trustworthy source and acquaintance musica.com--190.80.216.71 (talk) 00:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for reverting 173.214.235.201's vandalism and reporting him! -- Sailing to Byzantium  ( msg ),  20:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem thanks for reverting on my talk page too :) Pol430  talk to me 20:55, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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You have a reply
on my talk page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:52, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

A Weaver on the Horizon
Hi, I am NeoBatfreak. The reason I write is that I see that you are a member of GoCE member. I hope to have an uninvolved editor doing a copy edit of an article of the CHinese TV seriel A Weaver on the Horizon, for grammar and structrure. I would appreciate it if someone did. Thank you very much.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 05:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, it would appear that User:Fraise has already done it for you. If you would like me to go over it again, let me know. Pol430  talk to me 18:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Removal of SpenglerFox page
Hi I'd like to know the reasons for deleting the SpenglerFox page. Thanks Aquacharm (talk) 06:38, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, article SpenglerFox was deleted under speedy deletion criteria: A7 (no credible explanation of notability) and G11 (advertising or promotion). If you feel the subject did meet Wikipedia's notability requirements, and you can re-write the article in a more neutral tone, then you can contact the deleting administrator (User talk:Amatulic) and ask them to 'userfy' the article so that you can work on it outside the mainspace. You may wish to see this page of frequently asked questions&mdash;that answers some of the more common questions about why an article may not meet Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Pol430  talk to me 17:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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Revamping Safari Company Page
Hi,

I was wondering whether you could tell me exactly what made the 'Safari Company' not notable so that I can edit it thoroughly to meet Wiki standards? Shirangavish (talk) 11:34, 5 January 2012 (UTC) Shiran Gavish
 * Hi, for a subject to notable, to Wikipedia standards, it needs to be discussed in multiple reliable sources. Pol430  talk to me 18:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Lewis H Michaux
Your review of my article suggestion, Lewis H Michaux, stated that it was not possible to make sense of the references. I had initially misunderstood the coding system and the article was declined. I tried again. I hope it works this time. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.163.10.129 (talk) 12:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'll take another look when I have time. Another reviewer might get to it before I do. Welcome to Wikipedia Pol430  talk to me 14:45, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the references, I worken on a few more formulations, as adviced, to get a neutral tone ('haven' and 'key reading room' is taken out) - have you had a chance to look at it? Or should other reviewer take over? 195.178.232.246 (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Article created Pol430  talk to me 12:48, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Offshore Mechanics
Dear Pol430, I am the person who wrote "Offshore Mechanics" as ASME Technical Editor. This article is not copyrighted, though the issue is copyrighted. Thus it does not violate copyright law. Truly, Jin S. Chung70.237.157.22 (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Jin, I declined the submission because the text of the submission appeared to be a direct reproduction of a published work. Wikipedia takes copyright violation very seriously, it is a matter of policy to presume that copyright exists unless it is explicitly disclaimed. It is possible for authors of copyrighted work to 'donate' the work to Wikipedia but there is a formal process to follow. See Donating copyrighted materials for more information on that. Notwithstanding this, there are several other reasons the article will not be approved in its current form; for example, there are insufficient reliable references to establish the notability of the subject. There is also insufficient context to make it clear to a reader, who is not knowledgeable on the subject, precisely what the submission is about. Wikipedia is on online encyclopedia and not just a random collection of information. Article submissions need to be presented in the required formats and meet Wikipedia policy and guidance. I have sent a welcome message to your talk page which may assist you in improving your submission. Thanks Pol430  talk to me 18:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will draft Encyclopedia format. "Offshore Mechanics" has been used widely since 1982 in engineering and conference and symposium. For example, click on www.isope.org Jin S Chung

70.237.157.22 (talk) 18:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi again Jin, Just to point you in the right direction: In order to establish the notability of this subject you are probably going to need to find coverage in books or the national media. Coverage in scientific journals or niche publications is not likely to meet the standards unless the are very widely published and read. Pol430  talk to me 18:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Ricardo Komotar's Homepage
Pol430,

I'm glad you contacted me. I was trying to figure out how to request that a wikipedia entry be deleted. Dr. Komotar's entry is a a personal website, constructed by him for personal promotion. It was my understanding that these entries are not allowed on Wikipedia. Please let me know if this is not the case.

Thanks 204.62.116.47 (talk) 21:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In the case of this article, the only way is nominate it for deletion at articles for deletion. The Wikipedia community will discuss if it should be deleted or not. The process takes 7 days. The article is not eligible for speedy deletion and does not appear to be a copyright violation. You seem to have a keen interest in discrediting this person. Pol430  talk to me 21:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

He's an old friend. I am more curious about what warrants personal notability in wikipedia. 204.62.116.47 (talk) 21:22, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The full notability guidelines for living persons who are academics can be viewed at WP:PROF. If, having read the guidelines, you don't feel he (the subject of the article) meets the guidelines then feel free to nominate the article at articles for deletion. Pol430  talk to me 21:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

New DELES article clarification
POL430,

You wrote, "This submission relies on too much technical language and needs to be rewritten in a more concise manner--to make the subject clearer for all to understand."

Could you please expand on which parts you find too technical?

Also, would it help to link internally to other Wikipedia articles for technical terms? For instance, the term "psychosocial" may be technical to you and others, but I can hyperlink it to the article explaining what is meant by "psychosocial." Also, the term "scale" has an article. Would that sort of thing help so people don't think it's a bathroom scale I'm talking about?

This is my first article and I'm trying to understand the "tone." I'm an academic writer and I'm well aware that I have difficulty stepping back from my discipline's jargon. More specific input will help. Besides, I find the Wikijargon difficult to interpret as it is.

Thanks. Walkstx (talk) 17:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, In a nutshell, I read the first paragraph of the submission and felt bamboozled by niche terminology. Yes, it would be very helpful if you could 'Wikilink' to terms such as "psychosocial" provided there are articles to link to. In terms of tone, try to pitch it at the level of someone who can read and write in English, but my not have any formal academic background beyond secondary school education. You can 'Wikilink' by placing double square brackets at the beginning of the word or phrase and then closing the word or phrase with double square brackets. You can find a condensed 'cheatsheet' of wikimarkup at [[Wikipedia:Cheatsheet. Hope that has helped.  Pol430  talk to me 17:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The Blinded Bird
Thanks for cleaning up that link on The Blinded Bird - I tried to format it that way when I wrote the article, but it kept returning an error message. Seems to work fine now. Thanks again. — Bill W. (Talk) (Contrib) –  29 July 2024,  (UTC)
 * No problem :) Pol430  talk to me 19:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Afc John Tarrant
Greetings Pol, and thanks for reviewing my Afc at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/John_Tarrant. Like the previous reviewer, you have stated you feel that John Tarrant is not 'notable' as per the criteria at WP:ATHLETE; yet WP:ATHLETE lists, among its criteria, "7. Has at any time held a world or continental record (including world junior records, world youth bests and masters age-group world records) ratified or noted by the appropriate official body", and as the Afc states, he set world records for 40-mile and 100-mile distances.

I pointed this out to the previous reviewer and his response was "Yeah, I thought he might be notable when I was reading over that, but I cannot believe that I missed that part. I am so sorry about that, and I will approve it as soon as possible... If you could please cite his record stuff, that would be great." (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ktr101#Afc_John_Tarrant). So I added the citation as requested, only to be met with your new review. It does feel like I'm going round in circles......

Looking forward to your reply! Drjamesaustin (talk) 21:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Addit: wow - you're quick! Drjamesaustin (talk) 21:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Very kind - thank you! Drjamesaustin (talk) 21:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, I know :) Sorry for missing that all important world record point, we are occasionally fallible ;-). The article is now live but it needs some categories adding to it and it needs de-orphaning. Pol430  talk to me 21:25, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks also for cleaning up the formatting. No offense meant in changing the references - simply that in your edits, the citation no longer matched the statement. And yes, I should have (and did) know that citations go after the punctuation - so thanks again! Drjamesaustin (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem and no offense taken :) Pol430  talk to me 01:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

about my creation page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Shin_Soo_Hyun
Dear pol430, i created a page about musician. i just edited it and there`s a comment "Why is he anymore notable than the band, what already has an article?" may i answer it? it because every members of the band has their own wiki page and each members has their own position in band. he`s the leader and that`s why he`s notable for the band. I just added about his musical activity and album promo. is that enough or i should add more info? please give me some advice. thank you in advance. sincerely, Aini. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aini jj (talk • contribs) 16:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

hi there
I saw that you cleaned up some typos on a page I created about 'What next for Labour? (2011 book) I was wondering if you could help me in improving the article as I am a novice to wikipedia.

Like a lot of articles about books, there is a box on the right hand side of the page with a photo and details of the book below it such as publisher, release date, pages ISBN etc.. how can one be inserted?

Also the article does not appear in search results when the book title is typed into a search box. do you have any idea why that is and how it can be fixed?

and Finally because it does not appear in search results, I am unable to link this page with other pages in order to remove its 'orphan' status.

You insight would be most helpful!

Kind Regards

Jon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonlees82 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have added an info box, de-orphaned it and made some other improvements. Currently the article lacks incline citations; you could improve the article by turning the list of references into inline citaions. See WP:CITE for instructions on citing sources. Hope that helps Pol430  talk to me 19:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Erin_bowman
HI Pol430,

Thank you for reviewing my article. I'm not clear on why this article does not meet the criteria. It is stated in the article that three of Erin Bowman's songs appear in 3 different Pokemon episodes on the cartoon network among with her current single that was broadcast on the Oxygen network. In addition, her current single is being played on sirius XM, a national radio station. This meets criteria 10 and 11 of "Criteria for musicians and ensembles". Please explain so I know how to move forward with the article. Thank you for your help. Jweston007 (talk) 20:01, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have created that page, as it appears that the subject passes the criteria noted above.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  20:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for letting me know. Pol430  talk to me 20:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Regarding your AfC appeal
You might want to sign it so that the source is clear and the auto-archival bots know to archive it at a specific time. Logan Talk Contributions 20:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point, hadn't thought of the auto-archive issue. Pol430  talk to me 20:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Article on Ian Marchant(author)
Thank you for helping my article progress; I'd be really interested to know what I can do to bring it to the next level. I've included lots of references to recognised, reputable sources (well-regarded mainstream newspapers, the BBC, established publishing companies, etc) so I'm not sure what else to do to increase the "notability" level of my subject. Other travel writers (eg Rory Maclean) don't seem to have any more references, yet are included as main articles. Any help you could give me would be very much appreciated. I've also found out that the subject of my article is a university lecturer - would it help to include details of the university he works at, or would that not be relevant? Thanks in advance, Esther Estherstephens (talk) 18:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm not sure what you are asking me in terms of notability? He meets our notability guidelines, I created the submission as a main article at 01:38hrs on 12 January 2012. If you are just asking for ways to improve it: I would suggest expanding the article with more information about his career and life. Remember that all information you add needs to be supported by a reliable reference. Don't go add trivial details of his life or career, but a good encyclopedic overview would help the article and may bring it up to B class. You could also add an info-box and a picture of him. Pol430  talk to me 23:05, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you; sorry for the crossed wires, I wrote to you just before I realised that the article had in fact been created. Thanks too for the hints on improving it, will see what more I can do. Esther Estherstephens (talk) 18:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

January 2012
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary, which you forgot to do before saving your recent edit to iPad. Doing so helps everyone understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. This is a test so I can figure out the parser functions and I can't give it to myself. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 23:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to make it clear the above is a test. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 23:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL, no problem thanks for the assist :) Pol430  talk to me 23:58, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

AFC question
For AFC, is "It would be deleted extremely quickly at AfD per WP:SNOW despite not explicitly breaking any guidelines" a valid reason for declining? By the way, do I have to do anything about the message you left on my talk page? A412 (Talk * C) 02:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, the message on your talk page went out to everyone listed as an AFC participant. I sent it to several hundred editors using auto-wiki browser. As you are already active at AfC you can ignore it and keep up the good work :). As for the decline reason, could you point me to the article in question? WP:SNOW is rarely used as a valid deletion rationale at AfD&mdash;if an article is that bad generally other criteria would apply. If you can point me to the submission that would be great. Pol430  talk to me 17:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

HELP!
Hi Pol430 can you please help me understand what is going on regarding the page I try to contribute to. The page is regarding KW Music a record label.

It seems the sources are denied over and over but I don't understand why... The bureau export published a book with this book in the top 50 electronic music french labels, sacem ( or french ascap ) has all music records, discogs lists the label and productions per year.

What else is expected here? This does not make sense / where is the error?

Please HELP! Can you sure this with the other reviewers. I don't understand wikipedia very well (coding or talking) yet but I am doing my best to comply the best i can.

Thank you, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.107.159 (talk) 22:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not believe the sources give sufficient coverage of this record label to establish its notability. However, I have asked the editors at WikiProject Music to take a look at the submission and give a second opinion. Pol430  talk to me 22:23, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, many thanks for your reply. The sources are the best I could find and include paper and official records that can be verified (sacem records and or bureau export inclusion in best of French music 2003). As far as any additional source I have sincerelly no clue what else I could bring to the table. Thank you very much for your help. Have a nice SOPA shut down day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.107.159 (talk) 23:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have been in contact with an editor at Wikiproject Music who informed me that he thought the sources were ok. Based on that, I have created the article but it could do with a spot of re-wording to comply with WP:NPOV Pol430  talk to me 20:26, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Photo from article deletion
Hello,

I was wondering if you could help me? I created an article and uploaded a photo which was the front cover of the book which I obtained from the official site of the book - I don't think that I correctly named a source in the first instance which has lead to the photo being deleted altogether from Wikimedia Commons. How can this be rectified? There is grounds for using the image under the fair use definition as its merely being used as a means to illustrate the front cover of the book?

Can you help to sort this?

Best

Jon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonlees82 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can't upload images or files to Wikimedia Commons under a fair use rationale (see Fair use). Any such files are quickly deleted. You can upload images under a fair use rationale directly to Wikipedia&mdash;use the 'upload file' link on the left of the screen, in the 'toolbox' section. Full details for how to license the image properly can be found at Non-free use rationale guideline. Hope that helps. Pol430  talk to me 19:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar
22:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Giuseppe D.
Hi there,

Thank you for your message regarding my article submission (Giuseppe D.). I noticed that the article has been graded in the 'B class' and I am keen to hear any feedback as to how I might improve it.

Thanks in advance,

Fbell74 (talk) 01:46, 5 January 2012 (UTC)FBell74
 * Hi, ignore the message in the template about it being 'B class' that was an error. There are a number of issues with the submission at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Giuseppe D.; the first and most important one being the references. Wikipedia requires reliable sources for its articles (see WP:VRS for a quick guide to reliable sources--the full policy on reliable sources can be found at WP:RS). The most basic criteria for inclusion at Wikipedia is notability, it is impossible to establish the notability of the subject without reliable sources. Most of the sources listed for this submission are blogs, Discogs.com or other community driven content sites. In order to establish notability you need to include some better sources, such as: a review in a national newspaper; a significant mention in one or more books; a review or article in a prominent magazine (online or print); those sorts of things. I did a google search for him and the best source I could find was this one--That on its own is not enough and the other sources already listed on the submission do not meet the standards for reliable sources. Unless you can find some better sources I'm afraid the submission is not likely to be published. Pol430  talk to me 18:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you - I appreciate the feedback. I will search for better source material and see if I can revise accordingly. Fbell74 (talk) 10:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi there - Since my post, I have added in references from a music station and one from Billboard magazine for a music release that the profile subject was involved with. I have also included the reference that you mentioned. Some of the track listings were from blog music sites and I can try to find alternative sources for these, if this would help to make the profile acceptable for publishing. Also, if there are any other changes which should be made, please let me know - Thank you in advance. Fbell74 (talk) 09:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, sorry for the late response. I have had another look at the submission and the references look better now. The only real problem with the submission now it the layout. I have made some general fixes to the layout of the submission but there is more to be done. One point in particular is that the external links should be removed from the body text and re-fromated as inline citations or moved the the 'external links' section. Pol430  talk to me 20:45, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem - thanks for having a look at this. I've removed the External Links section now. I noticed that the picture link seems to have been deleted. To be honest, I wasn't sure if I had inserted the link code properly. Were there issues with this? Also, perhaps you can advise whether there is anything else that needs to be changed? - Thank you. Fbell74 (talk) 00:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Re the external links: That was not quite what I meant. There was nothing wrong with the external links section, it should be there. What you need to get rid of are the external links in the body text and reformat them as inline citations or Wikilinks. As for the image, I removed the link because that file name does not appear to exist and I can find no record of it the deletion log. Are you sure you uploaded it? You seem to be struggling with Wiki-markup. You may want to check out the WP:Cheatsheet for the rundown on how to format things in Wikipedia. Pol430  talk to me 01:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I probably need to go back to the help sheet for guidance on uploading the image. Separately, I have gone back and amended the reference list, using the inline citation format. I'm hoping that this is correct now. Thanks Fbell74 (talk) 07:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes the references are fine, but it's the external links in the body text that are the problem. I have made an example edit to the submission to show you what I mean. In the 'music companies' section the first line: 'Giuseppe D. founded Hothead Recordings in 1994' contained an external link to 'Hothead Recordings mysapce page'. I have removed this and replaced it with a Wikilink. It appears in red because Wikipedia does not have an article on Hothead Recordings. Generally speaking external links should appear in the body text of the article, that is why there is the separate external links section. Although I have 'Wikilinked' Hothead Recordings you should avoid having too many red links (non-existant articles) so you may need to convert some of the existing external links into plain text. Hope that makes sense? Once the external links are cleared up, we will be close to creating the article. Pol430  talk to me 11:54, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand - thanks for explaining. I've gone back and removed the external links from within the body, so hopefully that should be ok. Thanks for your patience in working through it - it's much appreciated. Fbell74 (talk) 23:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ You're welcome, article created Pol430  talk to me 11:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * That's great - thank you for your help Fbell74 (talk) 23:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Your Definition of "disruptive editing"
Your definition of "disruptive editing" is apparently "any edit which does not agree with my extreme rightwing political opinion on the matter." In point of fact, I am considerd one of the top 3 or 4 experts in the WORLD on the Afghan National Army; I wrote the first US government paper on the ANA in October 2001, I helped stand up the ANA, and I worked on and with the ANA for almost seven years. I have published more than a dozen articles in peer-reviewed journals which include information of the Afghan National Army. You decided to censor my edit strictly on the basis of not liking the truth it contained. So I have added it back, citing the recent United States Government Accounting Office (GAO) official report from which the information was obtained. If you have difficulty with the truth, perhaps you should start a "Right Wing Wikipedia" in which the truth is not included.
 * Will you tone it down, please? These edits are simply not OK: they use POV language ("hid under their beds" in an "epic" battle--come on now) and use improper sourcing (this is not reliable). Why you want to accuse another editor of right-wing bias when all they're doing is following Wikipedia's standards is unclear to me. Verifiability, not truth: fortunately this is more neutral in tone and seems properly referenced. I urge you to refrain from personal attacks, and to make sure that my message comes across I am going to leave a warning on your talk page. Please refrain. Drmies (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Drmies, for the response in my absence. Pol430  talk to me 17:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Requests for comment/F&aelig;
A request for comments has been opened on administrator User:F&aelig;. You are being notified due to your prior participation in ANI, RfA, or RfC discussions regarding this user. Thank you, MadmanBot (talk) 19:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Katkui
I closed this as "no consensus with leave to speedy renominate". You can turn right around and renominate this again if you wish but since the creator seems to be so keen on keeping it, I would recommend waiting a month or so. If he doesn't source it then renominate or boldly redirect it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ron, I'll take your advice Pol430  talk to me 21:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)