User talk:BelloWello/Archive 2

Adopting Haiti
Hello BelloWello. I took a look at some of the sources you have for the film, and it seems to me that Wikipedia notability is not clear for this film. Based on the sources that you have, I would likely argue to keep the article if it came to AfD, but I don't think the result would be certain. Seems to me like it would make a pretty interesting article if you are willing to risk the possibility (but not probability, IMO) that your work could be wasted.-- Kubigula (talk) 03:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright. That's what I was thinking. I think it could be a very interesting article, but notability is somewhat wishwashy... I'm going to finish my other projects first and then if I still feel up to it work on it. BelloWello (talk) 04:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2011
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Selecting hooks for DYK preps
Hi BelloWello. First, I want to thank you for all your hard work at DYK. It's always good to get another pair of active hands in reviewing and promoting hooks. That said, some of the hooks you have chosen to promote have risen some concerns (please see Wikipedia talk:Did you know. An unwritten rule among those of us who regularly load the prep areas is to start with the oldest noms first and to never promote hooks which are not in the expiring section. In future, please promote the oldest noms before promoting newer nominations. Thank you.4meter4 (talk) 09:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * On another note, your prep areas are also not as topically balanced as they could be. Queues should contain a diversity of hooks on many different subjects and from different geographic areas. Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2 for example is way too heavy on hooks from Asia. It should be noted that roughly a third to a half of all DYK noms at any given time are USA hooks, and there are also a larger number of UK hooks than other regions. For that reason, queues tend have more hooks from those regions. It's therefore very important to spread out the non USA/UK hooks as much as possible among the various queues. Best, 4meter4 (talk) 09:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, my bad. I'll try to remember? Anything else I should know? BelloWello (talk) 09:31, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Did You Know - Heathrow
Thank you for moving my hook from Heathrow, London to the prep area. However, the main hook is probably more interesting out of the three I suggested, focusing on the Royal Aeronautical Society's garden parties, rather than the one you have moved to prep. Could you perhaps reconsider these hooks? Harrison49 (talk) 23:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to switch them out if you would like, anyone can prepare hooks, although promoting your own hook is discouraged. The reason I chose your (rather new) hook was because that was the shortest hook I could find on the page, and I needed a short hook to keep that particular prep area within the allotted size. If you would rather, feel free to remove that hook and put the main hook to a new prep area.  b  W  23:32, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've asked Allen3 as they have now moved it into the queue. Harrison49 (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/BelloWello for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Jasper Deng (talk) 23:07, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

The large lettering
In firefox I could not even access the edit or history buttons directly on the talk page with the large lettering present. Since this page is for communications with and from other users, that did not seem helpful. Please find another way of adding a background with that lettering on it. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 05:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you mind taking a screenshot or something? I believe you, but I want to figure out a way to avoid that... I'm using Chrome on my mac and it isn't showing any problems, it didn't have problems on my windows either...  b  W  07:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Larry Geraty
The article Larry Geraty you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Larry Geraty for things which need to be addressed. Eisfbnore talk 11:24, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Brownsberger at Baldwin
Hi BW, I cannot find any source that verifies that Brownsberger went to Baldwin University. Do you know where this info came from? DonaldRichardSands (talk) 10:51, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that was before my time, but I will do my best to find something!  b  W  18:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No luck, I've went ahead and commented it out for now. We can reintroduce it if we find a source.  b  W  04:15, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Historic Adventism site and recent revisions
Hi BW,

I don't understand Tonic's concern about the Maseko quote. Do you? DonaldRichardSands (talk) 12:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I have noted the recent revision regarding the Maseko information.

Revision as of 09:19, 13 May 2011 (edit)Tonicthebrown (talk | contribs)("2 editors think" isn't good enough. Wikipedia policy states that claims have to be verifiable. You need to show where in the source the claim is supported)

The Maseko quote and info is solid secondary source material. He is not an editor here at Wikipedia.


 * 1.^ a b c Achim Nkosi Maseko (2008). Church Schism & Corruption. Durban, South Africa. ISBN 978-1-4092-2186-9. p. 545 "The conservative end of the theological spectrum is represented by "Historic Adventists", who are characterized by their opposition to theological trends within the denomination beginning in the 1950s. They tend to view modern Adventist theology as a compromise with evangelicalism, and seek to defend older teachings such as the fallen nature of Jesus Christ, an incomplete atonement, and character perfectionism. Historic Adventism is represented mainly at the 'grassroots' level of the Church and is often promoted through independent ministries but has weaker support (if any) among Adventist scholarship.

I am pleased that the Maseko book is available to us. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 12:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure its matters too much. If you look at WP:ANI you will see that Lionelt has taken it upon herself to ban me from editing these articles.  b  W  02:02, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Larry Geraty GA
Nice job getting this up to GA!-- Kubigula (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It wasn't just me though, DonaldRichardSands helped significantly with the legwork of getting that started! I'm hoping someone will come along and do the review for Heather Knight (educator) here soon.. :)  b  W  18:35, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Larry Geraty
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet?
So are you a sockpuppet or not? It said you were and now it says you are just taking a short "wikibreak"? What exactly is going on here? Fountainviewkid 16:58, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, the block is set to not allow not allow the editor to edit their own talk page, so they can not respond to you. Monty  845  17:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes Monty thanks for that information. I figured that was the case but was hoping another editor would perhaps see my post and respond. Yesterday the main page was blocked and only had the information about sockpuppetry. Today that page is open and merely mentions the user as taking a "wikibreak". Perhaps you could explain to me what exactly has occurred? Fountainviewkid 18:38, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
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Unblocked
After consultation with the blocking admin, I have unblocked this account. I look forward to more of your positive contributions, while cautioning you that a return to edit-warring or other disruptive behavior will result in this account being re-blocked.-- Kubigula (talk) 03:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The Southern Adventist University article was protected in part due to your editing. Please be especially careful. Do not engage in any revert warring there, if you please.   Will Beback    talk    09:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message Will. I believe my edits are fairly innocuous. I removed a false (unsourced) assertion that Cottrell was a progressive and added an archive link to a reliable source for the statement rather than a copy that someone had posted to bluehost.com. I hope that is uncontroversial.  b  W  09:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I should have said that wasn't in response to any specific edit. More to say that you're walking on eggshells. Please be very careful or you'll get blocked again.   Will Beback    talk    09:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to provide input on this paragraph that got added during my block? I would rather not get into a revert war on that article so I'm holding off on doing anything till I can think on it. Is this self published source sufficient to say, "Another way to describe Southern is that it is known for taking the Bible seriously. When the University of Arizona discontinued its archaeology program, archaeologist William Dever donated his library collection to Southern Adventist University. In explaining why he did so, he said, 'The major support for archaeology work in Israel and Jordan comes from conservative and evangelical circles where the Bible is still taken seriously and no one is more serious and committed about archaeological study in the Middle East than Adventists.'" I think its okay for the second part but the first sentence is dubious without a better source. Thoughts?  b  W  09:24, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, that's not an interest of mine. My advice is to try to act like it's not an interest of yours either. Enough said.    Will Beback    talk    09:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

A word of caution
Please do not refuse to discuss things when someone posts on your talk page. I don't think FVK's comments on your page constitute harassment (please assume good faith with him).Jasper Deng (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe I am within my rights under wikipedia quidelines to ask someone who it is absolutely pointless to communicate with to refrain from posting on my talk page. I am not going to explain why the label is inappropriate for the millionth time. This has become a case of WP:IDONTHEARTHAT and as far as I am concerned, he can keep repeating his refrain that he has a consensus of three editors for inclusion against wikipedia policy and four other editors over and over again, to the wall.  b  W  22:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back
Hello, and welcome back to editing. Good to see you around. My wife and I went for a drive on Sunday. I figured we would visit a few antique shops, a winery or two, and then drive through Angwin to take a few photos. Two of the three antique shops had gone out of business, and her car had a flat tire when we stopped at the first winery. So instead of getting to Angwin, we came home with one of those miniature spare tires at a slow speed, getting passed all the way by hundreds of cars. So, I haven't forgotten, and still plan to take some PUC photos.

Please take it easy here, do your best to avoid conflict, step away for a while when you get frustrated, and instead improve some non-controversial but interesting article. Take my friendly advice for whatever you think it is worth. By the way, I asked Fountainview Kid to please stay away from this page. I wish you well. Cullen328 (talk) 20:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words Cullen, and for trying to get those pictures! Sorry to hear about the issue with your vehicle, however... Thanks for talking to FVK, I don't see the point in communicating with him as he seems to have a clear case of WP:IDONTHEARTHAT, insisting that he and two buddies constitutes consensus to include something, against wikipedia policy, and four other editors.  b  W  22:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Bello - I have to say that you are also not hearing the several editors cautioning you about getting involved with the SAU article again. Edit-warring is not the solution to the issue.  Please try to resolve the issue on the article talk page and I strongly recommend keeping to 1RR per day.-- Kubigula (talk) 22:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Kubigula is giving you some excellent advice here. I second his remarks. Cullen328 (talk) 23:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments guys. I do not plan on getting involved in an edit war coming close to 3RR on the article. My focus will be on some other projects I have been working on.  b  W  23:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI fun
Hey BelloWello I have opened an ANI thread to hopefully draw some attention to the issue at Southern Adventist University article. As one the more rationale voices you comments would be helpful. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 23:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Resident. I will keep an eye on it and weigh in as necessary. Thank you for your balanced summary.  b  W  23:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I originally posted it at WP:NPOVN but as soon as I posted I read it again realized I had written something better fit for ANI. The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 23:24, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing attention to it. :)  b  W  23:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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Fountainviewkid's response to my cordial message to suggest to self-revert 1RR violation and avoid block
Stay away from my page. Fountainviewkid 16:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC
 * .... b  W  17:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

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Southern Adventist University
Hi,

I know you are aware of the 1RR on Southern Adventist University, so would you like to reconsider this edit as it would appear to the second revert in a little over 7 hrs ? Mtking (talk) 04:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I undid the revert portion of my first edit, but on second thought I redid it as a violation of the BLP policy. I explained on the talk page.  b  W  04:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I really do recommend that you STOP editing Southern Adventist University, you have again broken the 1RR with this edit coming less than 24 hrs after your last one. Mtking (talk) 02:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I still do not think my second revert yesterday under WP:BLP count against 1RR. Either way, I can't self revert at this point since another user (a bot) has made an edit. I have elaborated on the talk page and note that nobody has explained how they do not fit under BLP. You did say that you thought it was a content dispute, this is true, but the only part of it that was a revert was a BLP vio. Kuru seems to have only read the noticeboard and not the talk page... perhaps I am wrong in that reading.....  b  W  02:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * BelloWello, I haven't reviewed the particulars of this, but I can assure you that it does not matter if a bot (or human editor) makes an edit between your reverts. If your actions constitute a revert, it's a revert. If that does apply, please be careful. The article in question is on my Watchlist (for quite some time), and due to recent editing events is attracting a bunch of attention. On that note, it's not "re-revert to my preferred version, then discuss". That's editing in bad faith - and in this case, at the limit of 1RR. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN 04:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. I have started discussions on the talk page (the last two) which nobody has participated in except to say that they didn't think it fit under BLP, with absolutely no response to my reasoning as to why it fell under BLP. I realize you said that you haven't reviewed the particulars, so are just giving a general pointer, which I appreciate. Best!  b  W  04:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I will take a look, and try to provide more input (in either direction). Though I would never claim to be an expert, I'm pretty decent with the guidelines, policies and rules (I do a lot of vandal fighting and Speedy Delete requests and such). One final note, remember that consensus needs to be given time to form - at least a few days. See you on the article's talk page. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN 04:31, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

In response to your question on the Talk page, this is the verb definition from my mac dictionary: • promote (a product, service, or business) within a particular sector of a market, or as the fulfillment of that sector's specific requirements: ''a comprehensive development plan that will position the city as a major economic force in the region.'' In other words, the reporting is saying that Southern is "positioning" itself as something, it isn't saying Southern "is" something.  b  W  05:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:COI
Harvey Brenneise is no longer a librarian at a Seventh Adventist institution and has not been for 13 years. What he wrote in a "progressive" Seventh Day Adventist publication in 1988, 23 years ago, if it is going to be included, should be added within the correct context. Here is his CV. I also understand that you yourself might have a serious conflict of interest in editing articles about Seventh Day Adventist colleges. Wikipedia is not the place for you or your friends to add negative information on colleges of which you disapprove while leaving such information out of articles on institutions of which you approve. Non-neutral editing of that kind could result in a topic ban.Mathsci (talk) 15:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * These edits are also concerning.  Mathsci (talk) 23:50, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) This is true. He no longer is the librarian at Andrews University, I'm not sure how this is relevant since that was his position at the time he wrote it and he is not mentioned by name. I would prefer completely removing all mention of who did the reporting, but since other users insist on adding "librarian," I insist on listing his actual job title. He was the top research librarian in Adventist Education, not just some elementary school librarian.
 * 2) Spectrum magazine is progressive in its editorials, however, it is not progressive in reporting. They are very clear in keeping their reporting and opinion separate. This was reporting, not a statement of opinion.
 * 3) From where do you understand this? I have no conflict of interest.
 * 4) There is no requirement that an editor edit multiple articles at a time.. for all you know, I may be planning to add something to other articles later. The lack of something somewhere else is not grounds to keep it, if valid information, out of another article.
 * 5) What non-neutral editing?
 * 6) How are those edits concerning?  b  W  01:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Marking the talk page of an article with Fountainviewkid's username suggests that you consider it wrong for a wikipedian to edit an article about an educational institution that you think they are attending. On the other hand you have been doing exactly the same thing yourself. Mathsci (talk) 02:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh really? And which College do I attend, pray tell. Because, last I checked, I am not in College.  b  W  02:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You have had three usernames so far on wikipedia and commons, so are easy to identify. Mathsci (talk) 02:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Without speaking to other usernames, please provide evidence that I go to one of these schools and I will be happy to list it. The problem is, that is impossible to provide when I am not in college.  b  W  02:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you would out me by providing evidence, feel free to email it to me, and my mentor if necessary.  b  W  02:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am sure you did not mean to write what you've just written. Please you activate your wikipedia email? Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I must have disabled that when I went in to disable emails every time my talk page is edited. It should work now. Thanks!  b  W  02:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll check my WP email so don't bother with the YGM template.  b  W  02:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The message has been sent. Mathsci (talk) 03:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)